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Incel: Rape laws are “the biggest form of white-knighting ever”

After ten years of writing about the manospehre, you’d think there wouldn’t be much these guys could say that would shock or surprise me any more. But incels keep lowering the bar, somehow managing to be worse than I expect on a regular basis.

Take this discussion of rape I found on the Incels.co forum not long ago. Someone calling themselves speedtypingincel opened with a question he already had an answer to: “Are rape laws actually the biggest form of white-knighting? Ever?”

He made clear that his answer to the question was a firm “yes.”

Think about it, a law has been implemented which forces men who have put their dick in a pussy to go to jail. No I mean, think about it. Police, an armed force, goes around arresting people who dared to push their dick inside that tight warm hole.

What’s just another dick to those sluts who ride the cock carousel since 13? Nothing.

In his mind, there’s only one real kind of rape that counts as rape: anal rape of men.

[M]en have anuses too so we wouldn’t want degenerate f*ggots go around raping people and then serving no jail time.

A number of other incels rose to the occasion and offered their, er, philosophical takes on the subject of rape and why it’s no big deal really.

According to freakinasuit:

Foids are more likely to orgasm during rape than during regular consensual sex. Therefore, rapists are doing a foid a favour by raping them. By enacting rape laws, policymakers are deny foids an orgasm.

Someone called Glokta offered his perverse thoughts on rape and property rights:

Rape isn’t what foids think it is. Women are property. They lose value with each new dick entering their pussy. Rape is an unlawful destruction of another man’s property. You don’t want your daughter to whore around. You don’t want her to get raped either. In both cases she just lost all her value which makes trying to marry her off harder which means she’s going to be a burden for your family longer, possibly forever. No man wants to get cucked and rape is cucking another male by getting pussy without paying for it. At least, that’s how it used to be. The idea of a marital rape is even more ludicrous. How can a man rape his own property that he’s paying for it?

Grondilu agreed, declaring Glokta’s comment “based.”

The thing is : women are de facto inferior beings, whether they like it or not. As a result, they can only be free and safe as a result of men giving them rights and protection. In the Western World, men as a collective give those rights and offer this protection.

So it can be said that this is a form of collective ownership of women : the idea that women are property is not denied, it’s just socialized. If communism is the idea that private property should be replaced by State ownership, feminism is the application of this principle to the ownership of women.

The fact that no-fault divorce is a thing proves it : marriage is no more any form of ownership of a woman, it’s just a temporary, even symbolical lease agreement. If anything, marriage is more about women owning a slave, aka husband.

BodyFat10orRope offered a slightly different take on “women as property.”

Rape is an outdated concept. Women are no longer property so you are not damaging / stealing another man’s property. These women are also not chaste. They are sluts so one more dick makes zero difference. It’s just white knight faggotry.

Also yes, heterosexual rape is natural, it’s entirely different from sodomizing another man.

An incel called Mainlander suggested that the real problem was women having any rights in the first place.

The true white knight laws are things like: women having sexual freedoms, women being able to work and study in university just like men, AoC [Age of Consent] laws (especially if unreasonably high), women deciding with whom they marry, divorce/alimony laws,

LiteralGoblin agreed, declaring that

If women stayed in the kitchen where they belong, they wouldn’t need to worry about getting raped.

(Never mind that this is simply untrue.)

FinnCel offered a mathematical solution to the question of rape:

OP is right.

I can understand if a virgin woman gets raped; that’s a horrible action.

If the girl has had 99 guys, you rape her, you’re just 1% to her

MaxZM98 gave his incel comrades that green light to rape all the women they want:

the vagina was created to get fucked. men evolved to be stronger than women so we can overpower them to overcome their hypergamous nature. men were never meant to be incel.

It’s amazing how much of incel/”red pill” ideology is just warmed-over Evo Psych taken to its logical extreme.

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Alan Robertshaw
3 months ago

Rape isn’t what foids think it is. Women are property. 

The sad fact is, distasteful word choice aside, he’s not far wrong on the history of rape.

I’m pretty sure everyone here knows this anyway.

The word itself is derived from raptus, to carry off or seize. Like the predatory bird type, raptors.

But that was reflected in law. Women were treated as property. Rape originally didn’t necessarily require a sexual element. It was any removal of a woman from her paterfamilias. Even with her consent. Because she was considered, in all practical sense, to belong to someone else; whether father, husband, or other male guardian.

And that carried on all through history until very recently and is still the case in some jurisdictions.

It’s of note that, where some sort of compensation was an element of punishment for offices, the money went to the woman’s ‘owner’ not the woman herself.

Naglfar
Naglfar
3 months ago

Think about it, a law has been implemented which forces men who have put their dick in a pussy to go to jail.

This is like saying “think about it, a law has been implemented which forces men who have picked up a gun to go to jail” because it’s illegal to shoot people. The law doesn’t make it illegal to have sex, it makes it illegal to penetrate someone without consent. I may add, in most jurisdictions rape includes acts that are not PIV but are nonconsensual violations.

[M]en have anuses too so we wouldn’t want degenerate f*ggots go around raping people and then serving no jail time.

It’s illegal to rape men as well, so I’m not sure what he thinks he’s proving.

How can a man rape his own property that he’s paying for it?

Setting aside the fact that women aren’t property, where does he live? I don’t think many places still use dowries, and those which do usually now have the bride’s family pay the groom’s family.

If communism is the idea that private property should be replaced by State ownership, feminism is the application of this principle to the ownership of women.

Um, first off, that’s not what communism is, since ideally communism does not have a state. Secondly, feminism does not think women should be owned by the state. The previously suggested bit that women should only have rights because men give them is fundamentally antifeminist. Pro tip for incels: not everyone you hate is a feminist.

If women stayed in the kitchen where they belong, they wouldn’t need to worry about getting raped.

Most rapes are committed by someone the victim knows, often a partner or former partner. The idea of stranger rape largely is used by white supremacist patriarchy as a justification for “protecting” women.

men were never meant to be incel.

Isn’t one of the main ideas of incelism that they’re subhuman and therefore this is what they’re meant to be (but also somehow deserve a perfect girlfriend)?

Snowberry
Snowberry
3 months ago

They seem to have no problem with the concept of a man “owning himself”, even if they wouldn’t put it quite like that.

But then they’re basically, “if women are no longer owned by men, then they’re not owned by anyone” implying that women are public property now rather than private property. They’re not following their own logic all the way to the end, where men would be as much “public property” as they think women are. But legally, women “own themselves” as much as men do, even if the dying remnants of older social structures still occasionally make it not true for some practical purposes.

Seth S
Seth S
3 months ago

The only comfort I find in this is when one of these horrible guys calls each other’s comments based.

If by “base” you mean highly corrosive, dangerous, and not something anyone in their right mind should want to touch, then absolutely, you fellas are SO BASED. Based like full strength lye.

Last edited 3 months ago by Seth S
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
3 months ago

If women stayed in the kitchen where they belong, they wouldn’t need to worry about getting raped.

For sure. No woman has ever been raped in a kitchen.

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
3 months ago

@Seth S

I agree, SO fucking based. I feel corroded just reading it.

happy cat
happy cat
3 months ago

And they wonder why no woman ever wants to have sex with them…

Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
3 months ago

And they wonder why no woman ever wants to have sex with them…

FYI, incels, it’s because you’re loathsome.

Chris Oakley
Chris Oakley
3 months ago

It’s amazing how much of incel/”red pill” ideology is just warmed-over Evo Psych taken to its logical extreme.

“Extreme” is pretty much the red pillers’ default setting. They have absolutely zero perspective or self-awareness(not that I’ve got a perfect record in those departments either, but I hope you see my point).

Tabby Lavalamp
Tabby Lavalamp
3 months ago

I don’t know if I’ve ever wanted to break fingers to keep people from typing, but here it is.

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
3 months ago

Ignoring all the repugnant bullshit about rape, I’ve never understood why some men view women as incapable of being a threat. When I was studying kung-fu, one of the student who was most efficient at beating me every time we sparred was a 5’ 1” woman who probably didn’t even weigh 100 pounds. She was fast, accurate in her strikes, and always went for the joints (thank god she had excellent control); you couldn’t pay me enough to get in an actual fight with her.

And that’s just looking at straight-up hand-to-hand combat. That type of guy seems to forget that there are a hell of a lot of ways to hurt someone that don’t involve fighting.

Fucking idiots.

North Sea Sparkly Dragon
North Sea Sparkly Dragon
3 months ago

I’m not a violent person, but this sort of crap makes me want to hunt down these incels and slap them silly, before showing their families what they’ve been writing on the internet.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 months ago

@gaebolga : because women are socially trained to not beat anyone, and men are socially trained to beat the shit out of people. Theses imbeciles then think that women being on median less threatening translate to women alway being less threatening.

In my opinion, it’s more that we should train boys that violence is never acceptable, just like we do for girls.

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
3 months ago

@Ohlmann:

That would certainly be the preferable solution, both for individuals and as a species.

LollyPop
LollyPop
3 months ago

It’s hard to imagine a bigger waste of human potential than sitting on one of these forums every day and stewing in hateful nonsense. It takes some work to be a) this wrong b) this unpleasant and c) so strangely boring.

Naglfar
Naglfar
3 months ago

@Ohlmann

In my opinion, it’s more that we should train boys that violence is never acceptable, just like we do for girls.

I agree that all people should learn nonviolence and should be discouraged from violence, but I don’t know if I’d agree that violence is never the answer. If someone is attacking you and there’s no way out of the situation, it may be necessary to defend yourself. Trying to be nonviolent in that situation might get you killed or seriously injured.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 months ago

@Alan Robertshaw : for once, the french word have a notably less deshumanizing origin, while maybe being a bit too tame. It’s the same word to not respect a boundary or a law, which seem on point.

LindsayIrene
LindsayIrene
3 months ago

That type of guy seems to forget that there are a hell of a lot of ways to hurt someone that don’t involve fighting.

We have no idea how many women may have rid themselves of abusive husbands through the centuries. Women were in charge of food and beverages and also of taking care of the sick in the household. Combine this with a knowledge of local plants…

Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
3 months ago

This reminds me of when I was a little girl, the schools I went to were small. On holidays we would go to the manor where the old folks lived and spend the day with them. I remember one Halloween when I was dressed up like Juliet from Romeo and Juliet (after she stabbed herself), I was sitting there with an old woman. We had been visiting for a while. I don’t know if her mind was just going, if she thought I was someone else, or in her 90 years of life she just didn’t give a fuck any more but while she was drinking a sweet tea and I was having a lemonade she causally told me about how she murdered her father at my age. I was 7 at the time. She had pushed a latter out from under him when he was going to the roof of their home to clean the gutters. When I asked her why she did that she told me “times were different then dear. My mama couldn’t leave him, Even when he hit her. No one was going to help her and when a little girl comes running to the neighbors house crying say ‘help me, help me, my daddy fell off the latter and he won’t get up!’ no one thought it was anything else but an accident”

You give a woman no other options or control in their lives, then abusive men start suddenly dying in “mysterious” or “accidental” ways. Incels need to remember that if they ever do manage to date someone. They have to sleep sometime, they have to eat and drink sometime. They have to let their gaurd down sometime, and if the world takes away a woman’s options to freedom, they don’t just submit.

bcb
bcb
3 months ago

I am rarely horrified by the things I see on this blog, but this exchange is horrifying. And I don’t have anything else to say about it.

LindsayIrene
LindsayIrene
3 months ago

The passage of the Violence Against Women Act led to a significant drop in domestic partner murders, but the drop was steeper for the murder of husbands than the murder of wives. Turns out women are way less murder-y when they’re given options.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
3 months ago

@bcb:
Yes, it’s the whole entitled narcissism of it all… ‘Nobody is actually a real human being except me (and maybe my mates and those who I believe agree with me) so I don’t have to care what they think and can do whatever I like to them.”

Combine that with the belief that the silent majority agrees with them (which is why I put ‘who I believe agree with me’ in the above line) and you get people who do horrible things and then are incredibly shocked if they ever actually get held responsible for them. We’ve seen enough of that on display this month.

rabid rabbit
rabid rabbit
3 months ago

@Kat

If women stayed in the kitchen where they belong, they wouldn’t need to worry about getting raped.

For sure. No woman has ever been raped in a kitchen.

Admittedly, it’s possible that the kitchen is the safest place from some types of rapists, the ones who might be put off by the consideration that their target has a heavy frying pan filled with hot oil to hand, not to mention the knives she knows how to use. But that only applies to some of them.

Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
3 months ago

@rabid rabbit, @LindsayIrene

Admittedly, it’s possible that the kitchen is the safest place from some types of rapists, the ones who might be put off by the consideration that their target has a heavy frying pan filled with hot oil to hand, not to mention the knives she knows how to use. But that only applies to some of them.

Yeah, I’m sure that some rapists understand that a woman isn’t necessarily defenseless against an attacker. The frying pan, the hot oil, the knives — they’re all potential weapons. And then there’s the “knowledge of local plants” that LindsayIrene mentions.

IgnoreSandra
IgnoreSandra
3 months ago

@LindsayIrene

We have no idea how many women may have rid themselves of abusive husbands through the centuries. Women were in charge of food and beverages and also of taking care of the sick in the household. Combine this with a knowledge of local plants…

I know of at least one rhyme that references this.

I have a deadly nightshade

So twisted does it grow-

with berries black as midnight

And a skull as white as snow

The vicar’s cocky young son

Came to drink my tea

He touched me without asking

now he’s buried ‘neath a tree”

We do what’s necessary to protect ourselves. We always have.

Lynn
Lynn
3 months ago

So apparently I am *way* out of touch with modern slang. The only “foid” I know is Firearm Owners ID card. I’m guessing I might not want to know what it stands for in this context, but right now that doesn’t make any sense at all. Also, these men are so gross. No wonder they can’t get laid! I want to take a shower just from reading their ignorant comments.

Naglfar
Naglfar
3 months ago

[deleted, accidentally posted in wrong thread]

Last edited 3 months ago by Naglfar
epitome of incomrepehensibility

@Lynn – short for “femoid.” The “oid” ending to show that women aren’t really human, I guess (like “android” & such).

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Katherine the Adequate
Katherine the Adequate
3 months ago

How high is an *unreasonably high* age of consent to these gentlemen, I wonder? Cough.

GSS ex-noob
GSS ex-noob
3 months ago

@Elaine: Good for that old lady, I say. She probably DGAF any more, and the sight of you dressed as a girl who died from patriarchy prompted her to pass on a helpful life tip.

Placidair Moonbat
3 months ago

And these hideous creatures are somehow “surprised” that no sane female human being wants anything to do with them? Good grief

Splee
Splee
3 months ago

LiteralGoblin is the most accurate and appropriate name for an incel ever.

Sumi
Sumi
3 months ago

How come they don’t ban this from the internet?? Bunch of hypocrites.