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MGTOW Bingo Party!

Hey, everyone! Are you ready to play? Get out your (imaginary) MGTOW Jargon Bingo card and take a look at this lovely comment from a Redditor called VeritasDitum in the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit.

Polyamory, infidelity, hypergamy, a body count in triple digits by the time they hit their 20s with their ability to pair bond screwed to hell (literally), telegony and micro-chimerism although heavily disputed by everyone propagating the female agenda, but not disproven and all this backed up by feminist forced PC culture, women voting only with emotion with the exclusion of logic, laws straight out forged by infiltration from the School of Frankford designed to destroy the Western family by targeting men and literally cutting their testicles off (metaphorically but no less effective than a scalpel).

Well, that was quite a sentence, huh? It’s sort of like reading lyrics to songs by The Fall, if Mark E. Smith had been a creepy MGTOW instead of whatever it was he was.

Did any of you get “telegony?” I didn’t know what that was, but it turns out it’s not really a thing so never mind.

But I am a little worried about the feminists literally, yet also somehow metaphorically, cutting off balls.

And I’d sure like to know more about this School of Frankford, which I’m guessing is the safety school for those who can’t get into the Frankfurt School.

Ahyhoo, our brave commenter continues on in slightly more readable prose.

No guys, Western women are the fallen and the only way for us men to win the game is not to play until the current system guts itself or is gutted by force and even then, the biological damage to our women is done.

We might just have to enjoy the sunset over the west with only our own company but at least by our own choice in the destiny that befalls us.

The West has had a good ride folks, but it has fallen victim to it’s own misplaced compassion and naïveté, rushed to its death by the spirited help of our immoral and frankly stupid women.

But we as men are not blameless, collectively we allowed the infiltration of Jacobin forces into our culture and were collectively too spineless to put a stop to the movement in the Overton Window until it reached this untenable position we find it at at present. We need to look in the mirror and accept our part of the blame for the looming destruction of this once great civilization.

That wraps things up for now. Did any of you get a bingo?

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Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 months ago

Still waiting for MGTOWs to go their own way, and enjoy their woman-free hobbies and intellectual pursuits. Are we there yet? Nope, looks like we’re still in the “obsessing about women” phase.

Robert Haynie
Robert Haynie
4 months ago

I did not, sadly, achieve a Bingo.
I did, however, achieve UNO, finish the Times crossword, and get Yahtzee (twice).

I have no fucking idea how I got the UNO or the double Yahtzee, inasmuch as both are numerical in nature, but that piece of psudoliterate drivel was a gold mine for the crossword.

Correction Automatique
Correction Automatique
4 months ago

Well, those are all words. Mostly.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 months ago

Alternative game: take a deep breath in and try to read the first sentence as far as you can in one breath. I made it to the end, but barely.

Polyamory, infidelity, hypergamy, a body count in triple digits by the time they hit their 20s with their ability to pair bond screwed to hell (literally)

I’m picturing this being screamed by Alex Jones or similar at a rally somewhere.

telegony and micro-chimerism although heavily disputed by everyone propagating the female agenda

Translation: heavily disputed by reality.

all this backed up by feminist forced PC culture

Damn feminists stole my MacBook!

women voting only with emotion with the exclusion of logic

As opposed to the super rational MGTOWs who voted for a fascist because they were insecure in themselves.

laws straight out forged by infiltration from the School of Frankford designed to destroy the Western family by targeting men and literally cutting their testicles off (metaphorically but no less effective than a scalpel).

Wait, so the laws literally cut off testicles, but don’t use a scalpel? Is this some sort of state mandated anti androgen regime? If only getting feminizing HRT was that easy.

the only way for us men to win the game is not to play until the current system guts itself or is gutted by force and even then, the biological damage to our women is done.

I assume that WarGames comes up on MGTOW movie night following The Matrix, Fight Club, and The Great Gatsby. That’ll give them plenty to misinterpret.

We might just have to enjoy the sunset over the west with only our own company but at least by our own choice in the destiny that befalls us.

So, is it a choice or is it destiny? Make up your mind.

the movement in the Overton Window until it reached this untenable position we find it at at present.

When you’re right but in the wrong way for all the wrong reasons.

Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
4 months ago

Do these guys really think that average teenage girl is able to sleep with a hundred different guys by the time they reach 20. Like maybe slept a hundred different times between two guys maybe, But I can’t imagine anyone can be that stupid to think someone has slept with a 100 Different guys by the time they reach 20, at least not willing.

Full Metal Ox
4 months ago

@Policy of Madness:

Still waiting for MGTOWs to go their own way, and enjoy their woman-free hobbies and intellectual pursuits. Are we there yet? Nope, looks like we’re still in the “obsessing about women” phase.

A monastery might not instill respect for women, but it might at least teach these guys some constructive activity like winemaking, kung fu, or choral singing.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
4 months ago

@some misogynist:

Polyamory, infidelity, hypergamy, a body count in triple digits by the time they hit their 20s

A little math and knowledge of population numbers shows that this amounts to a claim that the adult women of America have murdered the entire population of the planet twice over.

Oddly, I see no evidence that this has occurred.

But we as men are not blameless, collectively we allowed the infiltration of Jacobin forces into our culture

Eyaaaaaagh! Reds under the bed! Run! Run! And ask the cinema proprietor to find more modern fare! Giant ants, the Blob, stop-motion fifty-foot lizards and women, and reds under the bed are sooooo 1950s.

And after you die, if you meet Joseph McCarthy in Hell, tell him I said fuuuuuuck you!

@Full Metal Ox:

A monastery might not instill respect for women, but it might at least teach these guys some constructive activity like winemaking, kung fu, or choral singing

I’m not sure we want these churglegoomphs knowing things like kung fu. Someone might get hurt.

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
4 months ago

No bingo, just a headache.

@Full Metal Ox

They’re already grand master level whinemakers.

Last edited 4 months ago by Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 months ago

@Surplus : an european monastery is ideal. Vows of chastity, can never see a woman, no dangerous side activity, provide cheese and beer who can be of use.

I like how he say litteraly and then clarify he mean metaphorically. I know that litteraly is an auto-antonym, but still.

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
4 months ago

So this is way OT, but

https://twitter.com/meth_alia/status/1353939683881832448

Kellyanne Conway distributed revenge porn of her own daughter, Claudia Conway, as punishment for going public about her abusive parenting.

If you can make time to call NJ Gov. Phil Murphy’s office, please do. This needs intervention.

Elizabeth
Elizabeth
4 months ago

Wow, the things I learn (?) – and which I now can’t unlearn – reading this site. I had no idea that the term “Jacobin” meant anything in the US. Reading that originally I thought they were referring to the British monarch James I…and wondering what the hell I was missing with a reference to British people from the 1600s.

It’s too early for this shit.

Teabug
Teabug
4 months ago

I didn’t get a bingo, mostly because I didn’t understand a single word of the diatribe above. But that’s the thing about delusions. They only barely have to make sense to the sufferer.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 months ago

@Cyborgette
I knew Kellyanne Conway was an awful person, but I didn’t realize she was that awful. I’ll call today.

Seth S
Seth S
4 months ago

all this backed up by feminist forced PC culture,…
laws straight out forged by infiltration from the School of Frankford designed to destroy the Western family by targeting men 

But we as men are not blameless, collectively we allowed the infiltration of Jacobin forces into our culture

Boy…. you gotta love when they bemoan the downfall of our civilization and the conclusion they basically came to is “we blame ourselves because we should have misogynied EVEN HARDER”….

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 months ago

That revenge porn thing is one of the vilest act I have seen. Won’t call because I am french, but the daughter seriously need protection and/or foster parents oO

@Elizabeth : Jacobin come from revolutionary french politics. It’s linked to the Terror, and of course here it’s deeply misused. If anything, the americain republicans are way more on the jacobin side than their opponent.

(albeit it’s one of theses political movement where context is key, so really any attempt to talk about modern jacobins would have to distort the original meaning a lot. It would be like claiming Trump is a bonapartist ; you can draw comparison but that would be just as much of a stretch)

StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
4 months ago

So obsessed with telegony myth. In their creepy warped minds it’s not possible is it that some cishet women might be polyamorous and kinky and actually prefer other sexual expression besides intercourse.

StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
4 months ago

Polyamory, infidelity, hypergamy, a body count in triple digits by the time they hit their 20s with their ability to pair bond screwed to hell (literally)

Hey MGTOW creeps:

Polyamory: yes, and how dare you question it.

Infidelity: I don’t have to be “faithful” by your patriarchal standards. I choose the men I want, when I want.

“Body count” yes, I not only count the beautiful bodies kneeling before me but admire them and the souls that accompany them.

“Pair bond” that’s your code word for a relationship controlled by you. Fuck you MGTOWs in my relationships I’m in control.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 months ago

@Seth S
What I like is how they claim that men bear the responsibility, but somehow that means men should continue to be in power. Then again, these are the kinds of people who think Trump should still be president despite losing the election by 74 electoral votes and 7,000,000 popular votes, so that tracks.

@Ohlmann
There is also a contemporary left-leaning magazine in the US called Jacobin, they may be referring to that.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
4 months ago

I like how he believes telegony is disputed, not because it’s complete and utter bunk (with the exception of one specific fly species), but because shadowy people with white coats and beakers want to advance the feminist agenda. As if science is some sort of zero-sum tug of war between men’s rights and women’s rights.

Of course, if you’re talking about the Greek epic poem, no one disputes the existence of that.

women voting only with emotion with the exclusion of logic

When I think “emotional voters”, QAnon supporters and explosively angry white supremacists are the first things that come to mind.

Last edited 4 months ago by Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
4 months ago

I don’t think any human is capable of making a choice without emotion being a part of it in some way.

Seth S
Seth S
4 months ago

@Naglfar

I saw it more as the usual narcissist’s act to garner pity in their collective misery-wank. If a narcissist can’t have the admiration of their target, and doesn’t have the ability to manipulate others to attack their target, pity is usually their next choice, even if they’re just wallowing in it as a group and it’s mostly self-aimed. These guys, like most narcissists, don’t even know what actual personal responsibility is. Most of MGTOW is really just patriarchy-flavored narcissism.

Allandrel
Allandrel
4 months ago

@Elizabeth

IIRC the supporters of King James were Jacobites. The Jacobins were Robespierre’s party in the French Revolution and its aftermath.

Bakunin
Bakunin
4 months ago

I’m a feminist, and I literally did cut off a pair of testicles (not metaphorically)

Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
4 months ago

@bakunin

Was it a steer?

Full Metal Ox
4 months ago

@Elaine the Witch:

I don’t think any human is capable of making a choice without emotion being a part of it in some way.

Neuroscientist Antonio Damasio backs you up: people with damage to the emotion-generating parts of the brain often find themselves in a state of decision paralysis (the old parable of the donkey starving when confronted with two identical and equidistant bales of hay comes to mind):

https://bigthink.com/experts-corner/decisions-are-emotional-not-logical-the-neuroscience-behind-decision-making

(And then you have Ayn Rand, who resolutely held that any choice whatsoever had one rationally-mandated answer; for example, she happened to like James Bond, Rachmaninoff, and tap-dancing, and you had to share those tastes to qualify for your Rational Card and be part of her Objectivist clique; the more I read about her, the more she comes across as a high-school Queen Bee with a smokecloud of philosophical self-justification: all the cool kids will wear pink cat hoodies on Friday, because that’s the rational aesthetic course of action.

Oh, and I forgot smoking. That was a Rationality Litmus Test, too—rationality required you to imbibe of the Promethean Flame.)

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
4 months ago

If you know of someone with a body count in the triple digits, you should call the police. That is one prolific serial killer!

On Kellyanne Conway, Claudia put out a video a few weeks ago saying that when the police visited the house when she (or maybe someone else? Idk) called regarding the abuse, the police took Kellyanne’s side and recommended she confiscate Claudia’s phone. So that adds another level of ACAB fuckery to it.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 months ago

@Elaine

I don’t think any human is capable of making a choice without emotion being a part of it in some way.

I don’t think so either. We have emotions for a reason.

@Seth S

I saw it more as the usual narcissist’s act to garner pity in their collective misery-wank. If a narcissist can’t have the admiration of their target, and doesn’t have the ability to manipulate others to attack their target, pity is usually their next choice, even if they’re just wallowing in it as a group and it’s mostly self-aimed.

Fair, I read it as them calling out themselves yet asserting that they should still be in power.

@Full Metal Ox

the more she comes across as a high-school Queen Bee with a smokecloud of philosophical self-justification: all the cool kids will wear pink cat hoodies on Friday, because that’s the rational aesthetic course of action.

That’s a good way of putting it. Objectivism is based in the idea that the world revolves around her, and anyone either agrees with her or is wrong.

iftach shilo
iftach shilo
4 months ago

Wat the f is “micro-chimerism” ? All I get is odd birth ..thing

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
4 months ago

@Cyborgette: That’s really beyond the pale, Kellyanne doing that to her own child. I thought she was an attorney…if nothing else, doesn’t she realize what she’s doing is a crime? Or, she realizes, and she’s so arrogant she thinks she’ll get away with it?

Related: I read somewhere that one of the Capitol rioters threatened to shoot his kids, if they dared to turn him in to the police for his part in the riot.

@Elizabeth: I thought Jacobin was a furniture style😀, or maybe an architectural style. It may be.

RE: Micro-chimerism. I started to research this term, then decided it wasn’t worth my time.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 months ago

@Dormousing_it
I’m guessing that Kellyanne expects her political stature to protect her. This is someone who spent 4 years in the Trump administration and just now might be realizing that actions have consequences.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
4 months ago

Semi related because doofy MGTOW terms. Look at this hilarious description of “Sigma Males”

https://twitter.com/TakedownMRAs/status/1354167721299070976?s=20

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
4 months ago

@Dormousing_it, I mean she might very well get away with it, judging from how well connected she is. Elite criminal impunity is the name of the game here.

Talking with friends who have some experience with stuff like this, I’m increasingly unsure if anything can be done, at least by strangers on the Internet. It sounds like reports to authorities wind up coming back to Kellyanne and leading to further coercion, so… IDK. It makes my blood boil but I just have no idea what would help, other than people providing Claudia with continued listening and emotional support where possible.

And yes, it really is far beyond the pale… and yet it’s also so disgustingly normal. We live in a culture that basically considers children to be their parents’ sexual property – mostly daughters of their fathers, but not exclusively. A culture where men ogling their nieces is normalized, where men sexually abusing their stepdaughters is epidemic, where teenagers and young adults who complain still get Freudian victim-blaming trotted out at them; and that’s just among the general public. Among the rich and powerful, well, I can quote Sarah Kendzior for instance:

The best way to counter the QAnon cult is to be brutally honest about deep corruption in government — in particular, child trafficking and blackmail by criminal elites, which is exemplified by but not limited to Epstein’s operation.

(And most of you already know this stuff so I’m just preaching to the choir, but… IDK. It’s just so bleak. The US really is the new Rome, and it gets to me. Even our new White Male Savior President is a known rapist… Shit is so exhausting.)

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 months ago

@WWTH
I can’t stop thinking of the Sigma Male as the sum of all males.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 months ago

Micro chimerism is a real phenomen where a pregnant women is partially chimerized with cells from her unborn child. Thoses cells usually persist for the rest of the women life, and seemingly help to make sure the immune system don’t reject the baby.

Now, AFAIK, the amount of cell is tiny. It’s not certain that microchimerism have any purpose or impact, and it’s pretty much certain that it don’t do what thoses bozos think it do.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 months ago

@WWTH : the “sigma trait” from your link are rather visibly made to apply to the self image of most males, especially the younger and geek one. I agree that it’s so over the top that it’s funny, but it’s also chilling. It’s a reminder that manipulation isn’t subtle, and don’t need to be subtle as long as it say what people want to hear.

I do think about that sigma when reading that :

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He isn’t evil enough to be a MGTOW tho. He just want to genocide his opponent, he don’t want to make them suffer before, and that place him as morally superiors to theses bozos.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
4 months ago

I can’t stop thinking of the Sigma Male as the sum of all males

I mean, it kind of is

#notallsumofallmales

Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meani
Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meani
4 months ago

@Full Metal Ox,

A monastery might not instill respect for women, but it might at least teach these guys some constructive activity like winemaking, kung fu, or choral singing.

Only if said monastery was staffed and occupied only by other MGTOWS. Let’s not force the guys who genuinely went their own way from the world to put up with a bunch of whiny posers who’d complain constantly that there’s no pizza and burgers to eat when they want, no WiFi to game with anytime they want, and forced to follow a tight sleep schedule all the time. The miggies can keep themselves company, like they do on their forums already.

@ Cyborgette,

Been a while since I last heard of anyone using actual Morse Code to send out an SOS. Though more seriously, the more recent posts in that thread (that I saw, anyway) seem to indicate that the girl’s best option right now is grab some cash and a change or two of clothes, and get the heck out of Dodge. It doesn’t sound like any of the services who are supposed to help her in her situation are wanting to get involved with this mess.

@Dormousing_it,

Microchimerism is a real thing:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microchimerism

Though how this MTGOW is using/defining this term I have no idea. Maybe he thinks micrchimerism is the way women achieve telegony?

ETA: ninja’d by a few folks here. Oops.

Last edited 4 months ago by Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meani
Mrs. Obed Marsh
Mrs. Obed Marsh
4 months ago

Cheating, poly amory, failed pair bonds, hypergamy
Body counts, microchim’, telegony
Frankford School, balls ravaged, no logic, bio damage
Jacobin, Overton, force-fem PC

WE DIDN’T START THE FIRE

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 months ago

@Redsilkphoenix

Though how this MTGOW is using/defining this term I have no idea. Maybe he thinks micrchimerism is the way women achieve telegony?

I think he means the manosphere theory that women somehow take on the traits of men they have sex with (see here and here), which is nonsense.

Snowberry
Snowberry
4 months ago

I’ve gotten too used to deciphering how these idiots think. I’m pretty sure that “triple-digit body count” is not a reference to serial killing, but slutting around like the slutty sluts some misogynists think all women are.

While there do exist women with more than 100 lifetime casual partners, I’m wondering how anyone manages that. If you don’t count sex work, my “body count” is only about 20, if you do count my time as a sex worker, I never kept track, but I’m pretty sure that the total is considerably less than 100. (I had a lot of repeat clients.) Unless most women are lying to me, I’m pretty sure that’s mostly not a thing.

I’m wondering if the phrase “body count” as used here is in any way related to the term “virgin killer”, which is a messed-up fantasy idea of women/girls going around stealing boys’ precious virginities. It’s probably just this particular idiot thinking of sex entirely in terms of sex as using other people’s bodies, but I have to wonder anyway.

Dalillama
4 months ago

@Snowberry
Unfortunately the term ‘body count’ is in common use in many circles. I genuinely don’t know how many people I’ve had sex(ual contact) with, but probably less than 100, and I’m notable promiscuous.

@Elaine
I expect she means GRS.

Last edited 4 months ago by Dalillama
Naglfar
Naglfar
4 months ago

@Snowberry

While there do exist women with more than 100 lifetime casual partners, I’m wondering how anyone manages that.

IIRC according to surveys the average is about 4 for women and 6 for men over a lifetime (though these figures may be off because men tend to inflate their totals while women are likely to reduce theirs because of patriarchal standards). As a result, I’d imagine there are very few women who do have 100+ partners. I can, however, think of a few ways it would be possible:

  1. Orgies/group sex: someone could have sex with several people in one session and therefore could achieve a relatively high number of partners in a relatively short time/few events.
  2. A long career in sex work: I have no idea how long the average person spends in sex work, but at least some people stay in it for decades and have sex with hundreds or thousands of partners. The Fokken Twins, an extreme example, worked in Amsterdam’s red light district for 50 years and estimated a total of 175,000 men for each of them (unclear if that accounts for repeat customers, is a very rough estimate). Or, for a extreme example, porn actress Nina Hartley is credited as having sex with at least 199 men on film over a 35 year career and probably more outside of that.
Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
4 months ago

To be honest I think it’s rare for anyone of any gender to have 100+ partner. first of all you’d have to find 100 people to being with that you get along with, and then you have to be sexually attracted to all those people, and then that makes it even less when you consider the amount of people that are only attracted to one gender. But you want to also put that into the context of having all of that before you reach the age of 20! no, a good chunk of people don’t even have their first sexual encounter until their later 20’s anyways!

Snowberry
Snowberry
4 months ago

@Naglfar: I’m not sure that orgies/group sex is a particularly realistic way to get that many sex partners. As far as I’m aware, such things happen almost entirely within semi-closed communities of a few dozen people; even if a large chunk of them are bisexual, you’re going to run out of people you haven’t been with fairly quickly, and new/replacement members will come in only as a slow trickle.

Also, yikes on the twins. I did the math, and even if that’s just sex-for-pay transactions and not distinct individuals, that’s an average of 9.2 people per day, every single day. I assume they had days off, so higher on days they actually worked. While I did enjoy doing sex work, that would have been way too much.

Chris Oakley
Chris Oakley
4 months ago

Telegony…isn’t that the new Microsoft 2-in-1 computer?

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 months ago

@Snowberry

As far as I’m aware, such things happen almost entirely within semi-closed communities of a few dozen people

Fair enough, I’ve never been to an orgy and don’t really know how much orgy groups intermix with each other/with outsiders.

As for the twins, another thing I find notable is that one is still working (the other retired due to arthritis), which a) probably makes her the oldest active sex worker and b) completely tears down the manosphere idea of “The Wall,” as this implies that there is a market for septuagenarian sex workers. I do imagine she’s slowed down somewhat, it must be very hard on her body at that age.

occasional reader
occasional reader
4 months ago

Hello.
About the “Polyamory, infidelity, hypergamy, a body count in triple digits” stuff, maybe this person is as bad as i am in english and this person believes the old proverb “You can lie (down) one time with 1000 persons, but you can not lie (down) 1000 times with one person” ?

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
4 months ago

Ohlmann, on “sigma men”

The “sigma trait” from your link are rather visibly made to apply to the self image of most males, especially the younger and geek one.

When I look in the mirror, I see a tall dork stranger.

More seriously, I thought most of those traits were ambiguous, or perhaps described in slang I’m not familiar with. Though possibly it was actually made to just fit the author’s self image and appeal to many other men is coincidental?

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 months ago

Ambiguity is indeed a feature for that kind of “cold read”-like characteristic. There’s still difference between people so the goal is to let the target fill in the blank.

That being said, things like “being antisocial” or “risk-prone” are way more targeted at young, geeky males, because they are thought as qualities in that demographics, while for other peoples and especially women it’s seen as strange and unnerving.

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
4 months ago

I never thought “geeky” males are the ones who aspire to live fast and dangerously, even when they’re young.

Also what does “silent leader” mean and how does it square with various notions of being socially self-sufficient?