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Women only breastfeed their male babies if they’re hot, incel insists

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I learn new things on Incels.co every day. Today I learned that only Chad babies are breastfed.

Foids can't stand the idea of a subhuman touching their bodies, even if that creature is their own son. When a foid takes her son for the first time, she instinctively does a quick check, and if she detects any anomaly, she will not breastfeed him. Think about it. Why do you think they make so many baby formulas when everybody knows the best thing for the newborn is the milk from his mom? I guarantee you that most of you weren't breastfed, or probably you were only for a couple of days until your mom gathered enough money to buy the baby formula. Oh, imagine her torture of seeing you sucking her sacred breast reserved only for Chad! She still has nightmares of that, I guarantee you that.

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Alan Robertshaw
1 month ago

Why do you think they make so many baby formulas

Haven’t a scooby mate.

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Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
1 month ago

Okay so my cousin’s baby was the ugliest baby I had ever seen in my life. He looked like a piglet when he was born, to her he was the most beautiful thing she had ever seen. Now he’s like 4 and he’s a cuter kid but I didn’t know a baby could be ugly until I saw him. My point is is that a mother doesn’t see her child as ugly even if it is. The rest of the world can see a baby that looks like a piglet hybrid and she will see the beautiful little human that he is. that’s why the saying “has a face only a mother could love” exists. Incels, if your mother is ashamed of you it’s probably because your a winy little entitled shit and she can’t understand where she went wrong in raising you, has nothing to do with what you look like.

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
1 month ago

Yes. This is 100% true. That’s why girl babies are never breastfed ever and probably why they always end up subhuman, from lack of breast nutrients and special boob vitamins during infancy. It’s a sad, but natural, self-reinforcing circle of subhumanity. The only humans that ever break out of this loop are the naturally beautiful Chads who get breastmilk and Stacies who…

… you know I’m not sure how Stacies ever break out of the no-breastmilk doom spiral. Maybe their mothers are too stupid to realise they are girls and mistake them for Chad babies? Someone help me out here, I failed incel biology, straight 0 points F in that class. 🙁 I blame it on the lack of breastmilk in my uggo infancy.

Last edited 1 month ago by Big Titty Demon
Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

This is beside the point, but I’m finding it rather disturbing that incels are assuming that mothers may find their sons sexually attractive. It implies that incels find newborn babies attractive and are projecting, which is really creepy (though not unexpected).

she instinctively does a quick check, and if she detects any anomaly

While I imagine many parents look at their children after they are born, I don’t think it’s “checking for anomalies” so much as seeing their new child. The phrasing makes me imagine they’re looking for distortions of space-time around their child, which potentially could be an issue.

Also, wouldn’t this imply that male children of lesbian couples are never breastfed? Though I’m guessing incels avoid this question with their theory that lesbians don’t exist.

Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
1 month ago

@naglfar

It’s very common for a new mothers milk to simply dry up after a baby is born as well. The body is a strange thing and reacts to stress strangely. My friend’s milk did that as she went through postpartum depression. It didn’t help at all that the depression just made her feel more like a faliure for that happening.

GSS ex-noob
GSS ex-noob
1 month ago

Jesus fuck.

That’s all I got. A blasphemous/profane response that makes exactly as much sense as this idea.

@Naglfar: Nobody in their right mind would breastfeed a baby who’s manifesting space-time anomalies. You might lose body parts to a parallel universe. Grab a bottle and a quantum physicist, stat.

epronovost
epronovost
1 month ago

@Big Titty Demon

Girls get breastfed because their dad (or the mother current Chad) recognise through subtle hint in the wrist size and jaw line that the baby will turn into a Stacy or into a feminist landwhale and tell mothers if its okay to breastfeed or not.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
1 month ago

I can’t believe it’s necessary to point out that babies are neither hot or not hot. Because they’re babies. But here we are.

Keep incels away from girl babies. They probably somehow are evaluating baby hotness and are projecting that shit onto women.

Ugh. Barf.

Full Metal Ox
1 month ago

@Elaine the Witch:

It’s very common for a new mothers milk to simply dry up after a baby is born as well. The body is a strange thing and reacts to stress strangely. My friend’s milk did that as she went through postpartum depression. It didn’t help at all that the depression just made her feel more like a faliure for that happening.

If lactation were such an automatic, trustworthy, and foolproof process, why are sources like Culpeper’s full of old wives’ recipes to increase breast milk?

MV96
MV96
1 month ago

If the ancestor of the Platypus hadn’t nabbed all those black market Evolution Tokens…

TheKnd
TheKnd
1 month ago

I’ve had this hypothesis for a while, and I think it’s ripe enough to share it: The whole incel philosophy is based around the idea that all affection is and can only be sexual.
Think about it… women pet dogs ergo women have sex with dogs, women breastfeed babies ergo women find babies sexy, women like horses et cetera.
It seems to me that Incels have put sex on such high a pedestal that every form of positive interaction can only be explained through it.

Seth S
Seth S
1 month ago

As a man who’s given birth and tried to breastfeed, shit’s not as easy as it looks, bro, especially for first timers. That’s why hospitals usually offer consultants who return again and again to tweak technique to make sure baby is latching right and getting enough and make sure the ducts are being emptied properly to prevent discomfort, and ensure good output is maintained and you’re not getting too chafed (one of the most common uses for lanolin over the centuries, I believe).

Of course breastfeeding is hard. That’s why wet-nursing used to be a well paying gig for people who were especially good at it. This is why we’re a social species that does a lot better in groups…. someone can get employed by a wealthy couple to nurse their little ones because mum can’t.

Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
1 month ago

It’s been a long, long time since incels or their brothers in hate could shock me. Sorry, uglyme — guy with the story about mothers allowing only their sexually desirable infant sons to breastfeed and forcing their sexually undesirable infant sons to drink formula — this story isn’t stupefying. It’s just stupid, something you pulled from your ass. Nothing, nothing an incel writes could shock me. That said, sometimes an incel does surprise me by using correct grammar and correct spelling throughout his entire post. But would an incel think to thank his (probably female) grade school teachers for teaching him these skills? Nah.

Last edited 1 month ago by Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
1 month ago

@evanoprost

Girls get breastfed because their dad (or the mother current Chad) recognise through subtle hint in the wrist size and jaw line that the baby will turn into a Stacy or into a feminist landwhale and tell mothers if its okay to breastfeed or not.

Oh duh, I didn’t think of this before but of course I immediately recognize the truth. Only a Chad would be naturally suited to pick up those subtle hints, a woman would be certain to make a mistake and breastfeed a future feminazi and who knows what kind of disaster would ensue if a baby like that got the champagne of infant vintages!

@Full Metal AOC

If lactation were such an automatic, trustworthy, and foolproof process, why are sources like Culpeper’s full of old wives’ recipes to increase breast milk?

It’s for the benefit of the Chad’s insatiable appetites, not the babies. You know boobs and milk are really for Chad.

Edit: Autocorrect typo’d your name but I kind of like the concept. I’m imagining AOC throwing out some sweet alchemy.

Last edited 1 month ago by Big Titty Demon
Talonknife
Talonknife
1 month ago

This whole screed reminds me of the Spartans throwing their babies over the cliff thing but somehow even conceptually dumber.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 month ago

I for one would breastfeed my newborn son if space time warped around him. That look like a future cool kid, and any amount of bad thing that could happen with that also look fun.

@Naglfar : I think your hypothesis that they project their own sexual attraction to newborn is overthought. Rather, he simply express in incel term the fear of being rejected, or not loved, by its parents. In a gross way, because incel.

Moggie
Moggie
1 month ago

Maybe I’ve been buying too much shit off Ebay recently, but that “checking for anomalies” bit sounded more like unboxing a new purchase than any mother/baby interaction. Send that kid back for a refund, and don’t forget to leave negative feedback.

Jesus Christ. No matter how low my self esteem is, when I read something like this I think “I may be garbage, but at least I’m not as broken as this guy”.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@WWTH

Keep incels away from girl babies.

I’d say keep them away from babies period, they probably also will assault any baby they think will be a Chad to reduce competition.

@Big Titty Demon

Only a Chad would be naturally suited to pick up those subtle hints, a woman would be certain to make a mistake and breastfeed a future feminazi and who knows what kind of disaster would ensue if a baby like that got the champagne of infant vintages!

This would also tie back to their belief that single mothers are more likely to raise feminist landwhales: because a single mother wouldn’t have an available Chad to tell her about the baby’s looks.

@Ohlmann

I for one would breastfeed my newborn son if space time warped around him. That look like a future cool kid, and any amount of bad thing that could happen with that also look fun.

Well, it’s all fun and games until your nipples start experiencing Lorentz transformation.

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
1 month ago

What about all of us who happened to be born at a time, at least in the US, when breastfeeding wasn’t the ‘in’ thing to do? When my sister and I were born, there was the idea that only poor women breastfed.

It seems kind of dumb, to spend money on formula when a new mother’s body is supposed to produce milk. (I know that’s not always the case.)

Both my sister and I got formula. I’m told that my sister, as a newborn, looked like a plucked chicken. She was fowl.

Allandrel
Allandrel
1 month ago

Literally every new baby I have ever seen has looked like a pink or brown W.C. Fields.

Makroth
Makroth
1 month ago

They live in a realm of pure imagination.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@makroth
And they don’t even make candy!

Neremanth
Neremanth
1 month ago

@TheKND

It seems to me that Incels have put sex on such high a pedestal that every form of positive interaction can only be explained through it.

That makes a lot of sense (and very well put).

I think it isn’t only affection and positive interaction, though. Sex is also the only lens through which they can understand a person having worth. They don’t even want sex for the physical pleasure (let alone enjoying giving and receiving pleasure with another human being): they want it because of the status they perceive it will grant them (even if in their eyes it would only take them from “subhuman” to “normal”). Evidently they even think a child’s worth to their own parent is based on the child’s (eventual, I hope) sexual attractiveness.

Full Metal Ox
1 month ago

@Dormousing_it:

Let’s not forget that some babies aren’t brought up by the people who bore them; I was adopted at the age of two-and-a-half months.

@Big Titty Demon:

Edit: Autocorrect typo’d your name but I kind of like the concept. I’m imagining AOC throwing out some sweet alchemy.

Your autocorrect has paid me a generous and unwarranted compliment.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Neremanth

I think it isn’t only affection and positive interaction, though. Sex is also the only lens through which they can understand a person having worth. They don’t even want sex for the physical pleasure (let alone enjoying giving and receiving pleasure with another human being): they want it because of the status they perceive it will grant them

I think this exists beyond incels, too. A lot of men see sex as a status thing because of toxic masculinity, and I think this is the motivation behind things like PUA. They don’t want connections and it’s not about pleasure, it’s just about status and how they wish to be perceived from the sex they’re having.

Last edited 1 month ago by Naglfar
epitome of incomrepehensibility

@Moggie –

Maybe I’ve been buying too much shit off Ebay recently, but that “checking for anomalies” bit sounded more like unboxing a new purchase than any mother/baby interaction. Send that kid back for a refund, and don’t forget to leave negative feedback.

What you said reminded me of this (“Family Unboxing” by Clickhole): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gY1AforXcI 😛

GSS ex-noob
GSS ex-noob
1 month ago

@Moggie, you comment here and have the blessed Shiro (RIP) as your avatar, so you’re all right by me.

@Big Titty Demon: probably knows a lot about breasts. 🙂

@Dormousing_it: My brother and I and most of our friends are in that group also. Formula was modern and space-age and status and White. So it didn’t matter if your baby was Chad, Stacy, or landwhale, it got formula. I suspect this particular incel is way too young to know that, and no one likes him enough to point it out.

@Allandrel: sometimes they look like a pink or brown Winston Churchill.

@Naglfar: I am so glad I wasn’t drinking anything when I read “Well, it’s all fun and games until your nipples start experiencing Lorentz transformation.” Exactly my point. Or you might end up with a goatee on your nipples, because parallel universes.

Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
1 month ago

my brain keep trying to change the word breastfeed into breakfast.

Dalillama
1 month ago

@Elaine
They’re the same about once a day, presumably.

Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
1 month ago

@Dalillama

Yes but when you turn it to breakfast in the this title is sounds like women are eating their babies.

Neremanth
Neremanth
1 month ago

@Naglfar

Oh, absolutely! Roosh V is a good example of that, judging by the excerpts from his Bang books that David has discussed here – it very much sounds like he isn’t enjoying the sex (or rape) itself but is just doing it to add another notch to his total.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 month ago

@Neremanth : I remember having been in sex ed told that rape isn’t particulary pleasant for the rapist either and that serial rapists did that either because of the sentiment of power or because they were unsatisfied by the last attempt. Of course, it might have been a white lie from the teacher, but that seem plausible.

Alan Robertshaw
1 month ago

@ dali

They’re the same about once a day, presumably.

Twice a day if you’re a hobbit.

Klaaraa
Klaaraa
1 month ago

Also, girl-assigned Babies being neglected and/or unneccesarily formula-fed specifically because of their sex is very much a Thing that Happens in some parts of the real world. Like, mothers who want to or get pressured to get pregnant again as soon as possible to have Another chance at a boy, don’t breasfeed the Girl because Ovulation, or boy-girl-pair twins [in cultures/circumstances] where Boys are much more valuable, and the Boy gets the breast and the Girl gets the bottle and Sometimes serious malnutrition with it…

Lukas Xavier
Lukas Xavier
1 month ago

@TheKnd

It seems to me that Incels have put sex on such high a pedestal that every form of positive interaction can only be explained through it.

Negative interactions as well. Any rejection is interpreted as sexual rejection.

Dalillama
1 month ago

@Elaine
I have a modest proposal about that…

Katherine the Adequate
Katherine the Adequate
1 month ago

I know from having breastfed my three that moms have a strong bond to their children that doesn’t include any ‘hotness’ factor attached. Incels are a disturbing bunch.

Neremanth
Neremanth
1 month ago

@Ohlmann

I hadn’t come across that theory before about it being lack of satisfaction with the previous attempt (although I had heard the one about it being about power). Certainly those both seem plausible for rapists in general. Perhaps the motivation is different, though, if the rapist isn’t honest with themself that they are raping, vs if they know exactly what they are doing? I don’t know if that’s the case for Roosh. However, I think probably he wants his audience to believe he isn’t raping, and regardless of whether the audience believes the encounters were consensual, I imagine he would have them think what he got out of them, and the reason he put any effort into seeking them out, was the physical pleasure involved. And whether or not power and/or lack of satisfaction did motivate him, I’m pretty sure it was about status (too), because he created an audience to tell about how much sex he got. Sure, he made a living out of doing that, but I find it hard to believe that his interest in it was 100% financial and not also to a significant degree about having them revere him.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
1 month ago

[OT] but where can I get reliable medication?

Lately I suspect I’m getting a smattering of dud pills mixed in with the working ones when I buy OTC meds at a Rexall in my area. Both the Allegra and the ranitidine are affected. When I get a dud one of the former I’ll have sniffles, congestion, or other nuisance symptoms well short of the 24 hour mark, and with the latter, episodes of heartburn or worse, one of those god-awful cramps well short of the 12 hour mark.

This started a few months ago, and is more prevalent with the Allegra. Today was especially bad — I suspect I got two, maybe even three dud pills in a row. Last night’s definitely was because I woke up today with quite a lot of congestion and sniffling, and I’m not sure the previous night’s was 100% effective either. Today the nasal symptoms got bad enough for me to resort to taking the next one early, and not only did it fail entirely to kick in, the sniffling has gotten even worse to the point where it is seriously inconveniencing me. When my nose isn’t tickling, it’s itching; when it isn’t itching, it’s running; when it isn’t running, it’s stuffed up; etc.

I’d take yet another one, but if it’s a dud with respect to some proper subset of active ingredients, I worry I might OD on one of the others. Plus, what’s stopping that one from also being a dud?

I need two things, a short-term fix and a long-term fix.

For the short-term fix, I need some way to stamp out this reaction on the spot, and at least make my nose no worse than it was at this hour yesterday. Whatever it is needs to act quickly, and most importantly it needs to be something I already have lying around here somewhere, or some combination of such things. So, something that can be made with some combination of: possibly-defective Allegra 24 pills, possibly-defective 150mg ranitidine pills, possibly-defective 81mg aspirin pills, a handful of Halls lozenges (none of these have yet been defective), water, cola, and commonplace foodstuffs. I won’t be able to go out to get anything for at least several hours, and possibly not for 2 days, and nobody delivers to here.

For the long-term fix, I need to know how to restore the status quo ante in terms of the reliability of the medications at issue, or else what substitutes would be more reliable. I have access to a very limited selection of pharmacies: that Rexall, a Shopper’s Drug Mart, and one or two mom-and-pop type operations. Again, ordering online is out of the question as nobody delivers to my area. Replacing the OTC versions with prescriptions is not possible as I have no doctor and HealthCareConnect doesn’t work. I don’t know why the QA would be slipping here as there doesn’t seem to be a single point of failure. The OTC meds are prepackaged and sealed by their respective manufacturers, so unless there’s a storage problem at the Rexall (temperature?) that could affect the pills right through tamper-evident blister packs without leaving a sign, the decline in quality/reliability seems to require simultaneous and separate failures at the two manufacturers, or their distribution infrastructures.

Of course, there are more constraints on any solution to this problem: 1. It must not cost me additional money, on a per-mg of the active ingredients basis, 2. it must not require (much) additional travel on my part (going to the Shopper’s Drug Mart instead of the Rexall would be acceptable, in a pinch; going to Toronto would not), and 3. it must not require (nonexistent!) delivery from online sources.

I would also like to know who or what is responsible for this having happened in the first place, instead of the quality and reliability of these things continuing at their 2019 and early 2020 levels unaltered. I did not make any changes that could explain this, which makes it look suspiciously like I’m being punished for someone else‘s screwup, which is of course not acceptable. If there’s someone out there whom I owe a knuckle sandwich, and who owes me a couple of hundred bucks in compensation for my lost time and money in dealing with this (including the total, pro-rated cumulative retail price of all of the defective pills I got sold, which is about 50 cents per 150 mg ranitidine tablet and a dollar for each Allegra 24 tablet; every cumulative hour I’ve wasted wiping my nose, making any extra trips to the store in the near future, or etc. will be assessed at the local minimum wage of $14), I’d like to know who it is.

LollyPop
LollyPop
1 month ago

@Surplus

It appears it is possible to develop a tolerance for antihistamines. But not knowing anything about your health I think it would be the best to get a phone consultation with a doctor or to call your local pharmacies, who are best placed to offer advice. If this isn’t possible I’m afraid I don’t think anyone can help you on this particular question – we don’t have inside knowledge of the manufacturers and can’t confidently make any recommendations on your health.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 month ago

Resistance or evolution of your condition is the most likely culprit, yes.

I never heard of big pharma putting placebo in the middle of their batch. It don’t even particulary make sense for most medication, who are cheap to mass product and where loss of confidence would be a big problem for the manufacturer.

I have heard of people stealing pills to make drugs from them (for some specific medications), but never that they replace their pills by fake one. It look like quite a lot of effort to do that compared to just stealing them.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
1 month ago

Addressing various things.

  1. I can’t talk to my doctor, because I don’t have a doctor, and HealthCareConnect doesn’t work.
  2. I haven’t talked to the pharmacist, because I’m not there yet. But I can when I go there sometime in the next 48 hours or so.
  3. My condition cannot evolve, because it is not caused by bacteria or anything else like that that would be under selective pressure, caused by treating the condition, to evolve resistance. All three problems (cramps, heartburn, sniffles) are essentially caused by internal knobs that are tuned incorrectly. They aren’t motivated to resist being adjusted to the correct positions, the way an invading pathogen (or a cancer) would be motivated to resist a drug that was killing it.
  4. I am not suggesting that either drug manufacturer is mixing in dud pills on purpose as a cost-cutting measure. I’m suggesting that they might have relaxed their QA standards as a cost-cutting measure, and that defective (wrong-dose, usually too low) pills might be being distributed as a side effect of this, as whatever they use to maintain precision in how much drug goes into each pill is not as regularly or thoroughly recalibrated or something … or, the pharmacy might be scrimping on climate control where the pills are being stored before they’re moved out to the shelving, or similar skinflint behavior by entities up and down the supply chain, such as trucking companies, could be the cause. None of that is implausible. It would be hard to prove in a court, and very hard to prosecute, especially if they limit the cost-cutting measures to drugs that don’t tend to be the one thing standing between someone and death, and make sure the dosage errors are in the too-low direction so they won’t cause any ODs. That would result in the affected medications being very much the sorts I’m now having problems with: painkillers, digestive stuff, allergy meds, etc. that mostly fix nuisances rather than lethal threats. They probably haven’t lowered the QA on statins and clot-busters … or on anything entering direct-to-hospital supply chains, for that matter. Anything destined for a pharmacy’s OTC shelves, on the other hand, is a perfect target for such measures.
contrapangloss
contrapangloss
1 month ago

Surplus, bodies change all the time. You most likely are becoming resistant to the antihistamines. This is common.

Similarly with the ranitidine, if your problems are of the frequent heartburn nature it could be you’ve developed an ulcer of h. pylori, which the ranitidine wouldn’t be adequate for. Or you’ve gotten an additional (new) gastrointestinal problem. Or, the otc dose just isn’t adequate.

For example, I’m on metoprolol right now on account of too many bloody heart palpitations. Usually 25 mg works perfect, but some days I start having palpitations 5 hours early. It’s not because my pills are duds, it’s because (1) I ate food with my pill that causes it to absorb too quickly or (2) I was more stressed or (3) I was more active or (4) I was more sluggish than usual or (5) infinitely many other things that can effect the complicated biological organism and microbial network that is me.

If you’ve been taking ranitidine and an antihistamine over the counter long term, YOU NEED to get a doc and talk to them. Long term use of antihistamines can cause resistance, and long term use of ranitidine can hide worsening gi problems.

Get appropriate diagnoses, when you can.

contrapangloss
contrapangloss
1 month ago

Just wanted to add:

I know there are a lot of reasons folks have for not wanting to see a doc. I avoided seeing a doc for around 6 years, outside urgent care for acute stuff needing antibiotics.

They’re expensive. A lot of the time they say things you think you could have figured out via google. Bad doctors exist, and visits with bad doctors are extremely frustrating. They’re expensive. Trying to sort out a medical history from scattered memories and paper is hard. They are intimidating, and expensive.

Finding a good doc is worth it. I’m finally getting treated for some stuff that’s been building for those six years, and my quality of life is much better.

First doctor sucked (e. g. I walked in worried about a possible heart condition because my pulse was down at 37 and I was tired-all-the-time, and she tried to push talk therapy because I seemed anxious), and now I’m seeing an ARNP instead of an MD, and getting much better care.

It’s important.

Things that can tide folks over if they can’t afford (or don’t know where to start) to find a good doc:
1) Pharmacists cannot diagnose, but they can advise on drug uses and interactions
2) Some clinics have free nurse advice hotlines. They can’t diagnose, but they can give advice on finding a doc, first aide, general medical stuff
3) Local care lines often have other resources for hooking folks up with care.
4) Online doctors are starting to be more of a thing, and sometimes they’ll do a free/low cost trial.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
1 month ago

Just to clarify here: I do not have access to a doctor.

I don’t currently have a “family physician”. Nor is there apparently any way to change that, because HealthCareConnect doesn’t work, or at the very least, doesn’t work for me for some reason.

There are no walk-in clinics or anything similar in the town I am in, or anywhere within my travel radius (short of spending hundreds on Greyhound or similarly, and many hours of getting tickets, waiting, travel, more waiting, more travel, and so on, anyway).

If someone who knows the Ontario health system knows any “cheat codes” or secret tricks or something for getting HealthCareConnect to work, I’m all ears. Short of that, I simply do not know what I can do. I can only assume that, like so many things in the way of human bureaucracies and things, HealthCareConnect presents the appearance of being a neutral, orderly machine-like system where you take a ticket, wait until it’s your turn, and then get a standardized service much like accessing a web site or doing commonplace impersonal transactions like buying things in the store or withdrawing money at a bank or getting tickets and then seats in the cinema or on the bus, but in actuality there’s some sort of politics involved, with some people being ignored outright while those deemed VIPs because they’re rich, politically connected, friends with with the head bureaucrat, or etc. get bumped to the front of the line, and most people get a quasi-neutral service that’s somewhat degraded in speed because of the VIPs getting to jump the queue, and for whatever reason I got put into the “ignore outright” category (or maybe a very slow-moving minimal-priority queue, an “anti-VIP” line of sorts), probably because I’m of low socioeconomic status and suspected of being a net public money consumer rather than a net tax payer into the system, or perhaps because I’m autistic and flubbed some social cue or other bullshit that they judge you on in deciding how much heel-dragging they’ll do before they let you have a doctor.

So, I’d like it if someone who knew how HealthCareConnect works under the hood could give some pointers on what social cue or other gimmick might get me into the “normal” queue (or even the VIP one, if only to compensate for the amount of time I’ve already spent stuck in the anti-VIP one, though I expect the only way I could swing that now would be to win the lottery and then slip the right person a few C-notes or something).

I do have an upper-middle-class father who might be able to get me some sort of elevated status, if there is class-based discrimination going on here, and if I got the needed information on how he might invoke that in my favor — people to call, or whatever. In case that information helps. I really don’t actually know how they prioritize people, other than it’s very obviously not a simple matter of “first come first served” or I’d have been served six times over by now. (I’ve heard of other people who signed up later than me who were already connected with a doctor by them. So I have concrete proof it’s not just first come first served. Everything else is just speculation, based on my prior experiences as an autistic person trying to navigate tangled social hierarchies and webs, and on the known proclivities of humans to discriminate on the basis of perceived class, race, ability, sex, and so forth.)

LollyPop
LollyPop
1 month ago

@Surplus

Here it explains that Health Care Connect does indeed not work on a first come first served basis, but according to medical need. It is likely that, in line with many health institutions, they simply lack resources and can take time getting round to non-urgent cases.

http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/ms/healthcareconnect/pro/

My advice (my partner worked in health services) is to call your local provider and explain how long you have been waiting to be provided with a doctor. Tell them that you rely on over-the-counter medication that no longer works. Do not go into specifics about your symptoms, but imply that you are concerned about an underlying condition. This may seem dishonest, but it sounds like you need to talk to a doctor and as you have already waited for many months being a little selfish won’t hurt.

Be polite so the call handler remembers you (people often aren’t). If necessary, make multiple calls, and leave voicemails. Sometimes you have to pester in order to advocate for yourself.

In healthcare, people might not be actively discriminating – they are often simply so busy that without reminders people without urgent medical need are pushed to the back of the queue. You have to make them remember you.

Last edited 1 month ago by LollyPop
Alan Robertshaw
1 month ago

@ lollypop

You have to make them remember you.

“Squeaky wheel gets the oil.”

Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
1 month ago

@surplus

it sounds like you may have what my mother has (sorry, i don’t know your age), but she has to take a prescription for her heartburn everyday to keep it at bay. Over the counter stuff doesn’t work and causes her a lot problems with like kidney stones.

Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
1 month ago

@surplus

also, I’m not a medical doctor, or a nurse, or anything like that. I’m an archeologist, I can make you a Oldowan tools and which herbs you can use to make a tea that helps with arthritis pain but I can’t help more then that. To me it sounds like it’s a similar situation that if I were to have surgery, I would have to be honest with my doctors about my “alternative” methods for dealing with physical pain and anxiety (in the form of special brownies) because the anesthesiologist will have to make corrections accordingly to what will work best for me. You body builds up tolerances and resistances to things. Which is why medicine that once worked for you no longer does. Not because it is a dud. I sincerely hope though that you will be able to go to a doctor or a clinic or something that can give you some long term help for your condition, because obviously you are in a lot of pain.

Also I don’t know much about you surplus. Your medical background or things like that. But my mother’s own condition began to take place after she had given birth to my siblings and I. I don’t know if you have ever given birth or if you are even a person that can get pregnant, but if you have given birth and your problems started to increase after pregnancy and child birth, that is something you should bring up with the medical professional when you are able to see someone.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 month ago

3 is obviously very very very wrong.

If you want a simple example, a lot of people have to change their glasse because their condition evolve. Similar things happen for pretty much any condition, including diabetus and heart problems.

4 don’t exactly seem very likely. I mean, maybe for some medication it’s doable, but probably more for vaccines and shit like that. It’s the kind of misshape who is unlikely *and* that big pharma have keen incentive to not let happen, since the cost to prevent it is low and the potential consequence big.

I do widely admit that big pharma is full of crookery. They however tend to do their crookery by selling their came for way too much money or corrupting doctor to prescribe it to everyone and not just the one helped by it ; they rarely do it by cutting corner on the quality of what they sell, because the ratio risk/reward is pretty bad.