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How the transphobic hashtag #BidenErasedWomen was transformed into a virtual rally for trans rights

Biden, not erasing anyone or anything

Joe Biden started off his presidency with a bang on Wednesday, signing more than a dozen executive orders unwinding some of the terrible policies Trump foisted on the country, on issues ranging from COVID to climate change to trans rights.

It’s that last one that’s got the TERFs in a tizzy. The executive order in question, as the New York Times put it,

reinforces Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to require that the federal government does not discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity, a policy that reverses action by Mr. Trump’s administration.

Jezebel had this to add:

Meant to tackle “discrimination on the basis of gender identity or sexual orientation,” Biden’s executive order essentially calls on federal agencies to broadly apply last year’s landmark Bostock ruling, which expanded the definition of sex discrimination to include discrimination based on sexual orientation as well as gender identity. Notably, the executive order included the line, “Children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports,” and stated that Bostock should also apply to Title IX, the federal law that prohibits discrimination in federally funded schools.

On Twitter, TERFs and assorted other transphobes quickly got a hashtag going, claiming that Biden had somehow “erased women” with the executive order extending basic rights to trans people. I couldn’t find anyone in the hashtag explaining clearly how giving trans people basic protections is a blow to so-called “real women.”

Some were a good deal less polite:

The hashtag also attracted a veritable army of trolls and reactionaries who weren’t so careful about hiding their transphobia — or their homophobic, or their racism.

Some criticized Biden for giving in to “wokeness,” a favorite right-wing epithet for anything vaguely progressive.

Happily, though, the hashtag was quickly overwhelmed with rebuttals of TERF illogic and celebrations of trans rights. By the time I got to the hashtag this afternoon, there were perhaps three pro-trans tweets for every bigoted one.

But in some ways the most heartening tweet was this one:

Celebrate this victory; fuck the haters.

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Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
1 month ago

okay first terfs, this has nothing to do with “adult human females” because he made it very clear this is for underage CHILDREN in classes not being denied from things like a restroom, locker room and sports room. This is not erasing Adult women because it has nothing to do with adult women but trans girls and trans boys who need to have their right to live their truths respected in ever aspect of their lives. If an adult human woman is trying to get into a child’s locker room when she is not A. a parent of a child at that school, b a facility going there to clean/ other business, or C, not there for any emergency thing like a school shooting or attempted suicided, then she has no reason or right to be going into a space where CHILDREN can be undressed.

Second if your life is so meaningless that Sam who used to be sally can now play on the boys wrestling team instead of the girls then you need to get a life.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

I saw this hashtag earlier today and was able to bear witness to both the dregs of humanity and also the rebuttals. Of course, the thing most transphobes missed was that Biden’s executive order for the most part reinforces something that already was law. Meanwhile, I saw a significant number who were openly admitting they’d rather have Trump as president because they’d give up abortion rights to own the trans. It’s frustrating, but at least now they’re revealing their true colors to the world.

It would be nice if @POTUS would actually read some of the comments on #BidenErasedWomen

Because of course the president has nothing better to do than read transphobic screeds on a hashtag based around a deliberate misinterpretation.

Evolution endowed the sexes differently.

When you definitely care about equality for women.

You have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no eggs. You are a homosexual man twisted by drugs and surgery into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection.

Apparently cis women born without uteruses and/or ovaries aren’t women now.
Also, is it just me or does the bit about “nature’s perfection” sound hella creepy?

Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
1 month ago

I swear this is the kind of stuff that makes my blood boil the most, adults wanting to hurt kids. And then these fuckers want to claim their the victim when they hurt the children. Growing up is hard enough, you don’t need a bunch of fucking adults telling you that your exist erases them and hurts other people!

Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
1 month ago

@naglfar

It’s super fucking creepy. It tells you that they see any female bodied person as a walking womb and tits and pretend that it’s not misogyny. I’m sure they would have some equally creepy fucking things to say to trans boys/ men. Probably along the lines about how they “ruined” their perfect little baby making bodies by transitioning. I can’t stand transphobes. they make me so angry and I’m not even trans!

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Elaine

It tells you that they see any female bodied person as a walking womb and tits and pretend that it’s not misogyny. I’m sure they would have some equally creepy fucking things to say to trans boys/ men. Probably along the lines about how they “ruined” their perfect little baby making bodies by transitioning.

I’ve heard transphobes masquerading as feminists actually say that to trans guys and AFAB non-binary people. Similarly, their obsession with “healthy breasts” being removed.

Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
1 month ago

@naglfar

I bet it’s the same type of people that buy those “save the titties” type shirts when it comes to breast cancer. Like the whole person doesn’t matter if they survive having cancer if they lose their breast in the process. Nope, just the tits. Bet they have no problem against implants though, you know, a surgery that makes it so someone can’t breast feed if they have a baby.

They also have way to much of an obsession about trans kids genitals. It’s disgusting.

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Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
1 month ago

trans athletes with their biologically superior muscle strength are UNFAIR competition 2 biological women

Even were this true, which I doubt, isn’t the solution obvious? Get rid of sex segregation in sports altogether and replace it with some form of weight class divisions in each of which the playing field is approximately level, determined by muscle mass or other objective criteria measured by doctors knowledgeable in sports medicine.

Meanwhile, it’s odd to see someone supposedly enamored with women’s rights explicitly lamenting the perceived eroding of a system of segregation. I don’t recall ever seeing a civil rights activist oppose desegregation in the 70s. It’s almost as if the TERFs making these arguments are actually just traditionalists defending the status quo because they have achieved a fairly good position under said status quo (more commonly known as “conservatives”) and their arguments about rights are in bad faith or something!

Bye, bye women’s sports.

Change that to “Bye, bye ‘colored only’ drinking fountains” and it doesn’t sound so bad, does it, unless maybe to someone who sometimes wears a Klan hood.

Hello women maybe being able to attain the same status (and money) that men do in baseball, football, etc. etc. etc. someday soon … Scary thought, if you’re heavily invested in the status quo, or your masculinity is terribly fragile to the notion that you, or the male athletes you identify with as role models, might soon be put at risk of being beaten by a girl once in a while.

You will never be a real woman. You have no womb, you have no ovaries, you have no eggs. You are a homosexual man twisted by drugs and surgery into a crude mockery of nature’s perfection. #BidenErasedWomen

— Halo 4 (@Halo4officiaI) January 21, 2021

Someone want to alert Microsoft that they’ve a loose cannon on deck somewhere in the “social media engagement” division of their marketing department?

Elaine The Witch
Elaine The Witch
1 month ago

I hope every time a terf orders fries they come to them cold.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
1 month ago

Trans women and girls have been competing in women’s/girl’s sports for ages and somehow it hasn’t yet destroyed the ability of cis women and girls to compete in sports and be successful at it. So, I think we’re good.

Anyway, if it hadn’t been apparent before that TERFs are fascists, it would be apparent now. If this EO from Biden makes you miss Trump, the guy with multiple rape allegations who hired MRA Betsy Devoss to destroy title IX and make it easier to get away with rape on college campuses, the guy who put rabid antichoicers on SCOTUS, etc. you’re not a fucking feminist. At all.

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
1 month ago

@Surplus

Even were this true, which I doubt, isn’t the solution obvious? Get rid of sex segregation in sports altogether and replace it with some form of weight class divisions in each of which the playing field is approximately level, determined by muscle mass or other objective criteria measured by doctors knowledgeable in sports medicine.

I actually have never seen this point made before. It is a very good point, and is now my position on the subject, because it does seem very logical. Weight class distribution is an excellent answer to this and already practiced in boxing, etc, anyway. Thanks, Surplus! <3

Talonknife
Talonknife
1 month ago

@Surplus to Requirements

meone want to alert Microsoft that they’ve a loose cannon on deck somewhere in the “social media engagement” division of their marketing department?

This isn’t actually an official Halo account. There are actually a few of these that are all “@halo[something]official”. They’re gimmick accounts that post jokes to lure people in and then start gradually getting more racist/sexist/queerphobic/etc. I’ve had run-ins with them a couple times.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
1 month ago

Seriously? Sounds like a trademark lawsuit waiting to happen. After all, they’re besmirching one of Microsoft’s flagship products by association with their ugly evil rhetoric.

rv97
1 month ago

BTW, not directed at transphobes in particular but those guys are the reason some of us want America godless. Christianity has fused so much with capitalist and patriarchal ideals in the popular imagination for America and perhaps outside that some of us want nothing to do with it.

rv97
1 month ago

And BTW anyone who can excuse an abusive straight couple over a wholesome gay couple needs to take a look at how their faith, or whoever leads their faith, promotes mediocrity.

S C
S C
1 month ago

“The hashtag also attracted a veritable army of trolls and reactionaries who weren’t so careful about hiding their transphobia — or their homophobic, or their racism.” Don’t forget their ableism!

Richard Gadsden
Richard Gadsden
1 month ago

trans athletes with their biologically superior muscle strength are UNFAIR competition 2 biological women

Even were this true, which I doubt, isn’t the solution obvious? Get rid of sex segregation in sports altogether and replace it with some form of weight class divisions in each of which the playing field is approximately level, determined by muscle mass or other objective criteria measured by doctors knowledgeable in sports medicine.

As you correctly guessed, it’s not true – trans women don’t have superior muscle strength than cis women. Trans athletes do, because that includes trans men, who do. This is the usual terf disingenuousness where their refusal to say “trans women” allows them to conceal the fact that they are talking about a group that includes trans men (and sometimes all non-binary / gnc people as well) but pretend it’s just trans women.

Testosterone increases muscle mass, removing it lowers muscle mass. But it also changes the types of muscles. A woman (cis or trans) with the same muscle mass as a man (cis or trans) will have less muscle strength. At a highly-competitive level, women competing with men is never going to be a fair contest, and it is one of the few things that does have to be segregated.

But that is only necessary at highly-competitive levels. There is no good reason why beer-league softball should be sex-segregated, and guess what? It isn’t! If the people involved are not training two or three times a week and working out every day, then the fitness differences will overwhelm the sex differences.

The usual rule in elite sport, which works fine and doesn’t involve a load of invasive testing of everyone to determine muscle mass and strength, is that trans women have to have been on HRT with testosterone levels below a certain level (which is the same as the level for cis women in the anti-doping rules) for at least two years.

The big problem with this is not at the elite level. It’s at levels where routine anti-doping tests are not applied, but which are still more competitive than recreational sports. Especially high school, where you’re inevitably dealing with a lot of trans girls early in transition, including some who are on puberty blockers but not yet HRT. You don’t want to exclude them all for two years (especially in the US where that would certainly cost them sports scholarships to college). There is a genuinely difficult issue there, but transphobes (inc terfs) aren’t helping anyone find a solution that preserves fair competition but also maintains sporting participation.

Incidentally – gender confirmation surgery has absolutely nothing to do with this. Transphobes think it does, and they are wrong.

S C
S C
1 month ago

Also, “sex-based rights” is not even a cogent argument when we’re talking about the USA. Second wave feminists went about securing women’s rights by challenging every law with ridiculous arbitrary gendered language they could find. States started rewriting their laws pre-emptively because the feminist challenge of gendered language was so fierce and successful. Everyone was expecting congress to enact the Equal Rights Amendment, which legal thinkers anticipated would require strict scrutiny of sex-based language (meaning in order for it to appear in law it must be necessary to a vital government goal.) Anti-feminists blocked the ERA, which is why today sex-based language in law only requires moderate scrutiny (gender must be substantially relevant to an important government goal) whereas race-based language requires strict scrutiny. Still, second-wavers successfully changed the legal landscape with legal challenges to gendered language and they especially focused on laws protecting women, re-writing them to be gender neutral. They for instance rewrote separate rape and sodomy laws into gender-neutral sexual assault laws that no longer required the three types of corroborative evidence previously required to prove rape. (Hence the eventual ability of the supreme court to strike down sodomy laws, as they no longer had a function except bigotry.) So the TERFs can say they’re anti-trans but they can’t say they’re protecting sex-based rights, because that’s not what we have in the U.S.

SpecialFFrog
SpecialFFrog
1 month ago

Biden is making things a bit awkward for the Johnson admin in the UK. They have been trying to fire up the culture war to distract from COVID and Brexit with attacks on “wokeness” but an interviewer asked Johnson if he thought Biden was woke.

Johnson of course is already on shaky ground with the Biden admin so after some rambling he said that there was nothing wrong with being woke, which would be news to the Boris Johnson of two weeks ago.

Now his spokesperson is pretending not to know what that word means.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Lainy

Bet they have no problem against implants though, you know, a surgery that makes it so someone can’t breast feed if they have a baby.

I don’t know about all transphobes, but in my experience TERFs do oppose breast implants because a) they’re convinced that all trans women’s breasts are implants (which is not true, breasts grow naturally on estrogen + progesterone, some get implants but not most) and b) because getting breast implants could make someone feel better about their appearance and be more comfortable in their own skin, and bigots don’t want that.

@SpecialFFrog
And of course that’s on top of the fact that using the word “woke” pejoratively is racist.

Anyway, back on topic, I saw this last night:
https://twitter.com/TheWolfSpirit1/status/1352494037467602944
The screenshot is in the tweet, and shows some transphobe who has convinced themself that trans women will end abortion because we don’t have uteruses (?) and that Trump is therefore better. As for the first part, every trans person I’ve ever met is pro choice, so the idea that trans women want to end abortion is nonsense. Meanwhile 40some percent of cis women think abortion should be illegal in most or all circumstances.

LollyPop
LollyPop
1 month ago

Get rid of sex segregation in sports altogether and replace it with some form of weight class divisions in each of which the playing field is approximately level, determined by muscle mass or other objective criteria measured by doctors knowledgeable in sports medicine.

I read a really interesting solution to this (I think from a sports scientist) which was to create algorithyms that will group people according to who is most well matched competitively. So a person with greater lung capacity might end up (due to this and other factors, such as previous performance, hormone level etc) grouped competitively with another person who has lots of fast-twitch muscle fibers. Apparently they are interested in it because it also means differently-abled people advantaged by certain prosthetics could start competing outside of the Special Olympics.

I think it sounds like a good solution (especially as trans women and intersex people wouldn’t have to go through hormone therapy just to compete in the correct gender catagory, if they don’t want to), although creating the algorithym would be a lot of work and would probably have some teething problems.

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Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 month ago

@lollypop : that idea fall in the trap that algorithms look objectives, but aren’t.

For the same reason that facial recognition sofwares and crime prediction softwares are horribly racists and ableist, theses algorithms will be horribly racist and ableist.

The bias of the human engineers will translate into the algorithms, except people won’t see it. So it’s a solution only if the designers are very carefully vetted and the end result is very carefully checked, just like if it was a group of human deciding the categories.

Alan Robertshaw
1 month ago

I’m probably being a bit thick here, but do you actually need an algorithm?

If you want to measure performance ability, isn’t that just something you can assess instantly from an athlete’s current scores? Then you don’t need to worry about all the variables, there’s an objective value to categorise them by.

That’s pretty much how a lot of team sports work. You get put in various leagues or divisions based on last season’s results. Then each year the top teams of each division move up a band and the lower ranking move down.

Couldn’t that work for individual athletes?

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
1 month ago

Something like chess ratings — simple to administer, transparent how it works …

BlakeW
BlakeW
1 month ago

Hi all. First time posting, kinda nervous. Here’s trans Thai boxer, Somros Polcharoen:



I think this plays into what Surplus to Requirements was saying about pairing athletes with similar muscle mass.  

moregeekthan
moregeekthan
1 month ago

Youth sports in the US are an odd mosaic of school teams, club teams, and leagues run by municipalities or youth organizations. As a whole, the system has many issues, but works well-enough in enough places that it likely to remain more-or-less the same for the foreseeable future. As more and more trans kids are able to be out and compete in sports, it will cause ripples in the decentralized system, and it will take some work to adjust to this new normal. This is vital work that benefits all, and the anti-trans folks are making things worse for everyone with the false and alarmist screeching.

LollyPop
LollyPop
1 month ago

@Ohlmann I must admit this didn’t occur to me, probably because science-y sounding stuff always seems more impressive to my brain than other alternatives (and I’m going to level with you here, that’s because I don’t understand it to the extent that it seems like magic).

Also to clarify this was very much only in contention for elite sports where fractions of a second can make a difference to whether you win or not, just in case it sounded like I think schools should have to go through that kind of process.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@moregeekthan

This is vital work that benefits all, and the anti-trans folks are making things worse for everyone with the false and alarmist screeching.

Exactly. Most accommodations for LGBTQ+ rights benefit everyone, and it’s only bigots who are upset.

StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
1 month ago

@Elaine the Witch

I love how you put things and agree with what you said and your awesome expressiveness of it.

LindsayIrene
LindsayIrene
1 month ago

Looking at their tweets, it’s clear that they think being a woman comes down to having a vagina, and that woman’s rights come from having a vagina, not from being a human. It’s grotesquely reductive.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@LindsayIrene

Looking at their tweets, it’s clear that they think being a woman comes down to having a vagina, and that woman’s rights come from having a vagina, not from being a human. It’s grotesquely reductive.

Meanwhile they also object to being referred to as “people with vaginas” or “people with uteruses” which implies that they don’t think women are people.

LollyPop
LollyPop
1 month ago

@LindsayIrene

I’ve noticed they can lean really far in the Earth Mother, divine feminine direction, with a massive focus on childbirth and rearing. For example, I’ve seen them get heated over the idea of cesareans (in a judging-other-women way) because apparently it’s not ‘natural’, doctors interfere with the process and you should just let your innate female power guide you through the birth experience. Which considering in the small sample set of my friends and family, five of them definitely would have died or nearly died during birth without medical intervention, always p*sses me off.

But then I guess obsessing over wombs, excluding and judging other women and hating on their freely made choices is entirely their focus, because feminism.

Bakunin
Bakunin
1 month ago

Pfft, these people have never seen me struggle to open a fucking jar. Like, what do they think makes “male bodies” stronger? (It’s the testosterone, aka the hormone I’ve had miniscule levels of for two years)

LindsayIrene
LindsayIrene
1 month ago

@LollyPop

Yeah, as soon as I hear someone start blathering about the Divine Feminine, I know there’s gonna be some bullshit.

Allandrel
Allandrel
1 month ago

Whenever I hear terms like “Divine Feminine,” I know pseudo-history straight out of Marija Gimbutas and Margaret Murray can’t be far behind.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

Re: Divine Feminine
The TERF who goes the deepest into this is Nina Paley, an artist who has gone hard into both goddess worship and transphobia, and makes the very bizarre claim that trans women are “colonizing” womanhood, demonstrating she doesn’t know what colonialism is (and is really insensitive, because a) she’s white and b) colonists killed trans and non-binary people around the world).
The modern idea of a divine feminine strikes me as generally antifeminist, because it implies that women must be feminine to be women and that femininity is somehow pure and holy, the ultimate pedestalization. As well, it usually suggests that being a woman is defined by giving birth and raising children, which is obviously a misogynistic idea. At least, it certainly isn’t feminist.

@Bakunin

Pfft, these people have never seen me struggle to open a fucking jar. Like, what do they think makes “male bodies” stronger?

It’s also really misogynistic that every transphobe seems to think that AFAB people are always inferior compared to AMAB people. Like, I am pre-HRT and I know cis women who are significantly stronger and more athletic than I’ve ever been.

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Allandrel
Allandrel
1 month ago

@Naglfar

I’m reminded of the British poll that found that something like 70% of the male respondents thought they could defeat Serena Williams in a tennis match. TERFs seem to think that this is reasonable.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Allandrel

TERFs seem to think that this is reasonable.

Indeed, I’ve heard so-called “feminists” insist that the weakest man will beat the strongest woman at any sport any day, when this just doesn’t seem to be the reality (and is very antifeminist).

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
1 month ago

I was recently listening to an episode of the podcast Gymcastic that interviewed a gymnastics coach who shared (with the gymnast’s permission) his experience of coaching a gymnast through her transition. She very clearly didn’t gain an advantage over the cis girls in her gym. In fact, it was the opposite. As she medically transitioned, she became very injury prone and her progress in the sport was halted for a time as she had to adjust to her changing body and had some injuries.

If anyone’s interested in hearing the interview, which is really great and in depth, let me know and I’ll find the link.

Moggie
Moggie
1 month ago

Hold to biblical truths as a whole, or you don’t hold to them at all.

I have some bad news for you if you eat shellfish, or wear mixed fabrics.

rv97
1 month ago

Speaking of transphobes, there seems to be a subset of them – febfems. Bisexual women who will only date people with vaginas and otherwise hold TERF views. So far they’re only on Reddit and Tumblr.

FYI
FYI
1 month ago

I can’t believe I’m typing, but confronting ignorance is more important than my desire to swear off commenting here….

A woman (cis or trans) with the same muscle mass as a man (cis or trans) will have less muscle strength.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Muscle mass by definition is just that: muscle.

Sit down and shut the hell up with your ignorant sexism.

/cis female veteran/intermediate lifter who has had ample opportunity to demonstrate in and out of the gym, yeah, I am as strong…in some cases stronger…than a man my size.

It’s training, stupid. No amount of hormones will do jack if you don’t use it. Maybe you should find a real live woman who has trained with men to talk to.

Dalillama
1 month ago

FYI is correct. All else being equal*, a woman generally has slightly less muscle mass than a man of the same weight, for reasons related to hormonal effects on bodyfat distribution, but compensating for that slight difference, everyone’s on an equal footing, muscle wise.

*Which they very rarely are, AFAB people are strongly socially discouraged from both formal and informal athletic endeavors and thus typically enter adulthood with noticeably lighter bones and less muscle mass than their AMAB agemates.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
1 month ago

This is reminding me of the men who played tennis in high school, haven’t played seriously in years, but believe they could hold their own against Serena Williams.

Alan Robertshaw
1 month ago

@ Vicky P

but believe they could hold their own against Serena Williams.

At least Bobby Riggs had a sense of humour about it; and was gracious in defeat when she thrashed him.

(I only found out recently they were actually really good friends)

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Cyborgette
Cyborgette
1 month ago

@FYI, @Dalillama

THANK YOU, seriously. I wanted to question Richard on that because it sounded biologically dubious, but also didn’t feel confident enough in my own bio/med knowledge? Plus this entire area of Reality is a huge trigger for me because reasons. Anyway yeah it’s like… extremely good to see Hollywood biology like that get debunked, seeing how (I’ve probably said this before) it’s so hard to remember sometimes that this is Hollywood shit, and men aren’t invincible in practice.

Re: trans fem strength particularly

So one thing I feel like is underappreciated is size. From personal experience, having an advantage in size and mass can be a big deal… though also that personal experience was more negligent/clumsy hurtfulness than deliberate physical abuse, and absolutely not any kind of sports deal, so IDK. But anyway yeah, I’ve had some rough times with partners who were physically bigger/heavier than me but not necessarily stronger; and also my own physical size advantage is part of why I’m uncomfortable dating much smaller cis women.

Dalillama
1 month ago

@Cyborgette
Size and mass are also major factors in many kinds of physical competition, yeah. I can speak from experience there, I spent a lotta time in martial arts when I was young and skinny. Unless the smaller person is vastly more skilled than the bigger one, an unarmed fight between someone who weighs 140 lbs and someone who weighs 300 lbs goes really fucking badly for the smaller party.

Full Metal Ox
1 month ago

@rv97:

Speaking of transphobes, there seems to be a subset of them – febfems. Bisexual women who will only date people with vaginas and otherwise hold TERF views. So far they’re only on Reddit and Tumblr.

Okay, this is a new one on me: does this mean that febfems will date cis women and trans people with vaginas, or only the former?

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Full Metal Ox
From my (limited) experience, febfems claim they will date trans men and AFAB non-binary people, though I highly doubt many trans men or non-binary people would want to date someone who constantly misgenders them.

epitome of incomrepehensibility

@Lollypop –

For example, I’ve seen them get heated over the idea of cesareans (in a judging-other-women way) because apparently it’s not ‘natural’, doctors interfere with the process and you should just let your innate female power guide you through the birth experience.

Kind of narrowing their pool of potential cis allies, aren’t they? As if massive unfairness and false representations of science weren’t enough.

I haven’t had a C-section but I was born by an emergency one. Otherwise I’d probably have died, since the umbilical cord was wrapped twice around my neck. It’s fairly rare but it does happen.

@rv97 –

Speaking of transphobes, there seems to be a subset of them – febfems. Bisexual women who will only date people with vaginas and otherwise hold TERF views. 

Oh, lovely :/

I mean, you can still be bi while having a sexual/romantic preference for one gender, that’s not a problem, but to make it a TERF thing…ugh.

@Dalillama – Yeah, that’s why I like climbing! I was quite active as a kid, but I wasn’t “good” at team sports and races, being short and skinny. But that didn’t matter so much with climbing, which I did on ropes, trees, climbing walls… I’d also freak my parents out by shimmying up to the top of swing sets and sitting on the bar at the top 😀

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GSS ex-noob
GSS ex-noob
1 month ago

I’m personally triply ticked off at the “no caesarian terfs” because 1) a lovely girl I’ve known most of her life 2) who was AMAB 3) was born that way in such a hurry that her mom didn’t even get anesthesia, just a quick nerve block.

I’ve always felt that trans women were women. I mean, they’re deliberately giving up male privilege! That’s brave. That’s *earning* the womanhood I was born with. And nothing to do with vaginas. Welcome to the club, sister. I don’t feel erased, I feel augmented.

If a trans kid wants to play on the girls’ team, fine. It’s not like junior high sports are the Olympics or the pros.

How many cis males do they expect to suddenly start wearing dresses, taking hormones, and changing behavior just so they might maybe get on a womans’ team? That’s the stuff of wacky sitcoms, not real life.

And every trans* person I’ve ever met of any gender is firmly pro-choice.

Terfs are fascist, period. Whether they’re MAGAts or Earth Mothers, doesn’t matter. The two ends of the spectrum of nuttery have wrapped around and merged.

(And as a woman who never wanted children I got NO time for anyone who thinks I’m lesser for not being a breeder.)

@Elaine the Witch: I love your posts and admire your strength. Hugs.