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The Great Disappointment: Can QAnon survive the inauguration of Joe Biden?

QAnoners expected Trump to signal the start of “the storm” with messages on the presidential emergency broadcast system.

Today was supposed to be THE DAY for QAnon true believers, the day that Donald Trump and his secret military allies would swoop down upon the inauguration, arresting Biden and the Clintons and Lady Gaga and many others. in a swift and brutal crackdown on an evil cabal of politicians and billionaires and celebrities who murder children and drink their blood to get high.

The mass arrests would be followed, perhaps only hours later by mass executions of these traitorous cannibals. And then Donald Trump would be proclaimed president once again.

If you watched the inauguration today you may have noticed that precisely none of these things happened. The QAnon people noticed this too, and they weren’t exactly happy about it. Some were sad, others furious, and all of them were baffled by what turned out to be a surprisingly uneventful inauguration ceremony.

Jesselyn Cook of the Huffpost described what happened in the QAnon chat rooms on Telegram:

as noon arrived, and a grinning Biden placed his hand on a Bible to be sworn in as the 46th president of the United States, reality came crashing down.

“I can’t stop crying. Fuck. Why?” one person pleaded. “It’s over,” another conceded. Some wondered how they could possibly mend their broken relationships with the loved ones they’d pushed away over their obsessions with Q.

Like a flipped switch, the attitude inside online QAnon communities shifted from glee to shock and misery: “NOTHING FUCKING HAPPENED!!!”; “So now we have proof Q was total bullshit”; “I feel sick, disgusted and disappointed”; “Have we been duped???”; “You played us all”; “HOW COULD WE BELIEVE THIS FOR SO LONG? ARE WE ALL IDIOTS?”

And there were plenty of other QAnoners feeling the same way.

So is this the end of QAnon? I doubt it. While some of the people who feel like they’ve been duped may drop out, others may respond by simply coming up with a new explanation for the events that transpired (or didn’t tranpire) today.

Apocalyptic cults tend to survive the “great disappointments” that happen when predictions of the end of the world don’t pan out. The predictors just come up with new predictions, as well as explanations as to why the older predictions didn’t come to pass. It’s not like QAnoners have any trouble believing things that are completely bizarre and obviously untrue.

Indeed, some have already started to explain away why Trump is stepping down.

While some of the disillusioned QAnoners may retreat from politics for a while, others who want to stay involved may find themselves being energetically recruited by other groups on the far right.

The relative peacefulness in D.C. today, as well as the fizzling of protests at state capitols, shouldn’t be taken as a sign that we’re “safe” from QAnon or other groups on the far right. These people won’t go away, and if some of the disaffected QAnoners end up in Nazi accelerationist groups we could end up seeing a great deal more violence that we would have seen if they had simply remained QAnoners doing little more than working through the puzzles that are Q Drops and “trusting the plan.”

Whatever pleasure you take today in the collective disillusionment of so many QAnoners may come back to bit you, and the rest of us, in the ass.

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Alan Robertshaw
2 months ago

This is the only way I know how to post this video.

https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/videos/251381309679112

Crip Dyke
2 months ago

I noticed a bunch of crossover language (e.g. “We’ve been cucked” or “We’re the biggest cucks”) when I was looking at another article about this phenomenon earlier today. I thought that was interesting.

banned@4chan.org
banned@4chan.org
2 months ago

The big QAnon thing today is that Trump is only stepping down because the US government as we know it is over, soon to be replaced by a “restored American Republic” that’s also led by Trump.

This sounds like sovereign citizen shit

Naglfar
Naglfar
2 months ago

As far as I can tell, Q is calling it quits, too. Ron Watkins, who appears to either be Q or one of a group of people who write Q’s lines, has said he acknowledges Biden’s presidency, which presumably means he will no longer be writing “Q drops.” As a result, I anticipate that someone else will invent a new prophet to take Q’s place. We might also see multiple competing prophets and/or a schism over acceptance of them.

HOW COULD WE BELIEVE THIS FOR SO LONG? ARE WE ALL IDIOTS?

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The predictors just come up with new predictions, as well as explanations as to why the older predictions didn’t come to pass.

Indeed, Q has already done this multiple times. They’ve been moving the prediction dates for the mass arrests and executions ever since the original date in March of 2018, yet the cult has only grown since then. As a result, I’m guessing that Q won’t lose followers, they’ll just get angrier.

I’m most curious about what’s going to happen with the QAnon-believing representatives in the House. Marjorie Taylor Greene has been the most vocal, so I’m keeping an eye on her.

Ginger
Ginger
2 months ago

I highly recommend the classic book from 1956 called When Prophecy Fails. Based on this book, I think that Dave is correct about disillusioned Qs.

Seraph4377
Seraph4377
2 months ago

I remember feeling as sick and sad and lost and disbelieving as they did in 2016. I’d feel sorry for them…if, y’know, they weren’t feeling so sick and sad and lost and disbelieving because they didn’t get to watch their perceived enemies be massacred and Donald Trump installed as President For Life.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
2 months ago

I think the Face/Off theory that Biden is actually Trump wearing Biden’s face, therefore Trump has been sworn in for a 2nd term is my favorite. Never mind that Trump and Biden have completely different body types, mannerisms, and voices and just face switching wouldn’t be that much of a disguise.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
2 months ago

@banned@4chan.org:

This sounds like sovereign citizen shit

That was my first thought, too. The line about ‘step down from the US corporation (dead entity) into the new administration 1776 party’ just reeks of SovCit thinking.

Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
2 months ago

@WWTH

I think the Face/Off theory that Biden is actually Trump wearing Biden’s face, therefore Trump has been sworn in for a 2nd term is my favorite.

Whoa. It is amazing what Trump can do.

Snowberry
Snowberry
2 months ago

Hey guyz, didja kno that the whole thing was faked and Biden was a hologram? All to lull the vampire pedo squad into a false sense of complacency. El Trumpo is going to swoop right back in, wreck their crap up, and return to his place as GEOTUS (God Emperor Of The United States) in 10 days, ya better believe it! [/extra snark]

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
2 months ago

@Jenora Feuer:

That was my first thought, too. The line about ‘step down from the US corporation (dead entity) into the new administration 1776 party’ just reeks of SovCit thinking.

Sounds like Civil War II thinking to me. There’s a scarily plausible scenario whereby history more or less repeats itself and 2020 is the new 1860. First, Trump and his pal the governor of Florida declare the election null and void and declare a Trump “government in exile” seated at (where else?) Mar-a-Lago. Some other red-state governors join in, Biden threatens invocation of the Insurrection Act, they call his bluff, and before you know it it’s time for the opening reel of Fort Sumter II: Fortier and Sumterier …

Moggie
Moggie
2 months ago

I had a flashback to election night 2016. There was a thread here about Trump supporter reactions to early results suggesting Hillary would win. They were angry, bewildered, despondent. Well, we know how that turned out. There’s a pleasing symmetry in seeing Trump supporters reacting the same way now, and knowing that, this time, they won’t get the turnaround they wanted.

LollyPop
LollyPop
2 months ago

Talking to the hammer and sickle left last night (in a debate where I was arguing that people are allowed to feel relieved and happy about the Biden inauguration – which is ideologically unacceptable, apparently) I was told that Qanon winemoms and stupid white supremacists pose much less threat than the current US police force and talk of a coup was centrist hyperbole. But I genuinely feel like Qanon is as dangerous as it is ridiculous.

I feel like there’s a certain amount of “the USA is the worst it could possibly be and there isn’t a hair’s difference between Biden and Trump” in certain leftist communities and honestly I just don’t get it. Trump deliberately played to Qanon. People were talking about blood on the streets and executing Mike Pence – surely harm reduction isn’t a bad strategy at this point?

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
2 months ago

@Lollypop : they tried and failed spectaculary. Saying it was “centrist hyperbole” is factually wrong, at best it’s “they could not have succeeded anyhow”.

Overall, on appearance, Qanons dupes are too unorganized, too stupid, and not determined enough to be a threat. But the thing is, evaluations can be wrong, and we should not take too much risk of our assessment being very wrong.

As for “no difference between Biden and Trump”, that mostly depend on what is important to you. I think there’s big differences because the cruel policies of Trump have harmed a lot of americans, including some being separated from their family or losing their jobs. But Biden will only try to make liberalism more tolerable, he won’t go against it.

Herbert West
Herbert West
2 months ago

It seems by “certain leftist communities” you mean the real radical left, those guys who occasionally think Stalin and Mao weren’t all that bad.
It’s not surprising then that they would react that way – ideals may differ, but fanatics always think similar. Roughly speaking, either you support their views to the letter, or you’re with the Enemy.

Naglfar
Naglfar
2 months ago

@WWTH
I also heard a similar theory that Trump is the “shadow president” and Biden is just a figurehead, which, while somewhat more believable than the face swap theory, is still very odd. It’s also clear they haven’t thought through the ramifications of this. I mean, Biden has already undone a few of Trump’s actions, so does that mean Trump is undoing his own stuff? What are they going to do when Biden does things they hate? Assume Trump did it?

@LollyPop

I feel like there’s a certain amount of “the USA is the worst it could possibly be and there isn’t a hair’s difference between Biden and Trump” in certain leftist communities and honestly I just don’t get it.

I’ve seen this take as well. I think it stems from certain podcasts/influencers, who realized that if they dunk on Trump they only get views from progressives, while if they dunked on liberals they could tap into right wing viewers as well. For instance, Chapo Trap House, Jimmy Dore, Aimee Terese, etc. This led them to either Trump apologism “to own the libs” or blackpilled nihilism (“both sides equally bad.”)

LollyPop
LollyPop
2 months ago

@Ohlmann

I think there’s big differences because the cruel policies of Trump have harmed a lot of americans, including some being separated from their family or losing their jobs. But Biden will only try to make liberalism more tolerable, he won’t go against it.

Yeah I agree there, the neoliberal nightmare will continue to march on. Just hopefully with less short-term damage for people and a marginally better chance at change. It would be nice as well to have less gaslighting and truth bending happening in high office!

@Herbert West

It’s not surprising then that they would react that way – ideals may differ, but fanatics always think similar. Roughly speaking, either you support their views to the letter, or you’re with the Enemy.

I think I was just surprised because I’ve not encountered them before. They were somewhat resistant to my point of view, haha.

LollyPop
LollyPop
2 months ago

@Naglfar

who realized that if they dunk on Trump they only get views from progressives, while if they dunked on liberals they could tap into right wing viewers as well. 

I’ve not heard of those commentators but that does make sense – especially as it seems to be easier to make money from the right wing viewers. I imagine it feeds into the whole “anti-woke” left thing as well that I’ve seen on this blog a couple of times.

Naglfar
Naglfar
2 months ago

@LollyPop

I imagine it feeds into the whole “anti-woke” left thing as well that I’ve seen on this blog a couple of times.

Yes, those are the same people who are behind the “anti-woke left” or “dirtbag left.”

banned@4chan.org
banned@4chan.org
2 months ago

Actually, this reminds me, did anyone see that youtube video from Folding Ideas, “In Search of A Flat Earth?”

The narrator begins talking about how the flat earth movement is losing momentum up until the 37 minute mark, where he blurts out, “because they’re all moving to QAnon!” But obviously that doesn’t have legs anymore. Think we might see more flat earther nonsense?

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
2 months ago

Apparently Pox Day has gone into full Qultist denial mode on his site, handing out bannings left and right to doubters.

(Second hand info – I don’t pollute my computer with his tripe)

Naglfar
Naglfar
2 months ago

@banned@4chan.org
I doubt it. Those that don’t stick with QAnon will likely try to find something even more extreme, if flat eartherism didn’t cut it then it won’t now.

Alan Robertshaw
2 months ago

So, rumours that Trump is going to start his own party.

I’m not sure he has the gumption to go through with it. It would be a lot of hard work. His usual model is just to licence the Trump name to some other pre-existing business. Which come to think of it, was pretty much what the GOP became.

But if he does, does he have a base? He probably disillusioned a lot of them, as we see here, by his ‘weakness’. And throwing the rioters under a bus might not have helped matters either.

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/trump-impeachment-biden-inauguration/card/90pPMzFPqr5fMzg1Bkbs

Naglfar
Naglfar
2 months ago

@Alan Robertshaw
I’ve been hearing the rumors as well. My thought is, I doubt Trump himself will start a new party. He will probably not be around much longer, and has a decent chance of either fleeing the country or going to jail, which would make running a party much harder. And he probably doesn’t want to put the effort in.
However, I think someone else, perhaps one of his bigger fans in the House or Senate or a rich donor, could start a party to continue what Trump preached. That seems a more likely scenario. There are millions of people who voted for Trump, and most are likely still loyal. Even those who aren’t still worshiping him likely still agree with much of what he said, so creating a new party that is Trumpism without Trump could gather many followers. This would be potentially more dangerous than Trump, because Trump is an incompetent wannabe autocrat. This party could potentially run a more competent one.

Dalillama
2 months ago

perhaps one of his bigger fans in the House or Senate or a rich donor, could start a party to continue what Trump preached.

That party already exists. It’s called the Republican party.

Naglfar
Naglfar
2 months ago

@Dalillama
I am aware of the Republican Party, but as far as I can tell Trump’s fans are angry at that party for not doing enough to steal the election. If someone within it were to create a new name but keep the same ideas, they could potentially make a grift of it.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
2 months ago

The difference between the americans parties is mostly that Democrat want to keep up appearance and placate people ; traditional republicans don’t care about the appearences ; and trumpist republicans actively want to antagonize people and revel in their edginess. So there could be three parties in theory, albeit the traditional republicans would probably disappear rather fast.

Trump capsizing the republicans with his new party would be on brand for him.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
2 months ago

Honestly, the main argument against the likelihood of Trump starting his own party is that it would require actual work, and Trump has never shown much interest in that. If someone else starts it and puts him at the head for all the adulation, sure, he’ll be in for that. But he’s not likely to start it himself, especially not so soon while he’s still sulking.

It’s not even as if he’s shown any indications of understanding why the bully tactics that have mostly worked for him all his life haven’t worked this time.

Crip Dyke had an interesting take on that last bit.

Alan Robertshaw
2 months ago

Semi O/T; but mainly posting this became someone is finally explaining things…with puppets!

[It’s a good summary of a topic we’ve been chatting about in legal circles.]

1Q84
1Q84
2 months ago

Absolutely NO ONE I know (that includes no “conservatives” at all, now) is in any way complacent about what we face in the near future.
A popular suggestion among people I do talk with is that this election was like Gettysburg or Guadalcanal – a battle that signaled a clear and essentially final turning of the tide towards our eventual victory.
I see it more positively than that, as the Battle of the Bulge (a metaphor that has many additional similarities). The strength of the fascists has been exposed and largely depleted, and only their most fanatical have any intention of fighting to their own deaths.
As (nice racist) Eisenhower said at the beginning of that battle: “The present situation is to be regarded as one of opportunity for us and not of disaster. There will be only cheerful faces at this table.”

We won, at great cost, and there’s lots more to be done.

Let’s agree to kill or harm nobody, though, even given the excuse of “self-defense.”

numerobis
numerobis
2 months ago

Naglfar: an awful lot of people vote GOP because that’s what they’ve always done, and they view politics as a team sport where you can’t change teams. Forced to actually evaluate whether to vote Qanon, GOP, Democrat, or Libertarian they’d probably end up splitting up.

Even united, the GOP wasn’t able to win. They got more votes out than anyone else ever got by a long shot … except Biden did even better.

Fabe
Fabe
2 months ago

@banned@4chan.org

The narrator begins talking about how the flat earth movement is losing momentum up until the 37 minute mark, where he blurts out, “because they’re all moving to QAnon!” But obviously that doesn’t have legs anymore. Think we might see more flat earther nonsense

Flat earthers being part of QAnon does not surprise me. Many of them already think that NASA and any one else who knows the world is round are part of a cabal
of Freemason pedophile satain worshipers. Thy even got their fair share of Holocaust deniers.

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Moggie
Moggie
2 months ago

Trump wants people to believe that he’ll start his own party, but I suspect this is a grift. He wants to use the prospect of splitting the vote as leverage against the Republican establishment. He’ll want a quid pro quo for not going ahead with it.

Alan Robertshaw
2 months ago

@ moggie

He’ll want a quid pro quo for not going ahead with it.

Yeah. I can see a trade off. Don’t vote to impeach or he’ll take his base with him.

Doesn’t matter whether he can win or not on his own; would be enough to split the GOP vote.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
2 months ago

@moggie, Alan Robertshaw:
And reading that, the first thing that came to mind:

Nice voting bloc you got there. Be a shame if something were to… happen to it.

Which is pretty much along with Trump’s line of thinking, even if I’m not sure he’s got the creativity to come up with it now.

rabid rabbit
rabid rabbit
2 months ago

When I see talk of Trump starting his own party, all I can think of is this: https://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/1999/12/09

Naglfar
Naglfar
2 months ago

@numerobis
Already we’re seeing something to that effect: in a number of swing states the number of votes that went to Libertarian Jo Jorgensen was greater than the margin between Trump and Biden.

Mario Augusto Puga Valera
Mario Augusto Puga Valera
2 months ago

Serves them right, for believing in some nonsense that came from 4chan (!).

Crip Dyke
2 months ago

@Alan (well, & everyone who liked the puppet)

One thing not covered is the issue of state criminal liability.

While the 5th cannot be used in contemplation of those federal charges for which he has been pardoned, to the extent that the underlying criminal behavior implicates him in state crimes, he has a justification for use of the 5th (and thus refusing to testify).

This could be sidestepped through a grant of immunity by the relevant states, of course, but it’s a non-trivial (potential) hurdle.

Of course, I haven’t even read the indictment here and therefore have no idea what Bannon’s potential exposure to state criminal liability might be, but it is worth noting that in the US federal system, presidential pardons have no effect on state prosecutions or convictions.

So… they’re going to have to deal with that. But since he’s already gotten a pass on the federal crimes, if there are any serious threats of state prosecution, giving Bannon (further) immunity makes much more sense than making a deal with some other individual involved in the conspiracy.

Plus, the biggest thing, he’s on record (or will be) as admitting participation in the fraud.

The wonderful thing will be when the victims decide to sue Bannon’s ass off and/or the new AG decides to pursue civil forfeiture.

CF is independent of conviction, Bannon! Suck it!

Robert Baden
Robert Baden
2 months ago

Naglfar:

Wonder if those would have been Trump votes if the Libertarian Party didn’t exist.

Naglfar
Naglfar
2 months ago

@Robert Baden
I think it’s likely that most would have been.

PsyConomics
PsyConomics
2 months ago

Did anyone else here have to deal with the LaRouche PAC on their college campus? The guys with provocative signs that read:

“Do you think Cheney belongs in Prison?” Yes I do!
“Do you think investment in infrastructure is a good idea?” Darn tootin!
“Are you willing to completely trust a vague demagogue that you’ve only anecdotally heard of and who is completely off his rocker?” And ya almost had me.

Would it be easy for Trump to gather like 10 or 20 true believers to organize some fringe political party like that and keep at least some minimal scam/”political” money machine alive?

rv97
2 months ago

I’d actually like it if they became despondent and proved wrong of their multiple ways

SpecialFFrog
SpecialFFrog
2 months ago

Trump could always start a party the same way a lot of his development deals work these days — someone pays him to put his name on it and pretend like he is invested in it while not particularly involved in the project.

Alan Robertshaw
2 months ago

Presumably because I comment here, the internet algorithms suggested this to me.

https://themarshallreport.wordpress.com/2021/01/20/trump-ode-to-the-corporation/

It’s a Q site explaining that the inauguration was some sort of pagan ritual and it’s all part of the plan.

But what I like best is how supposedly the City of London is the secret capital of the world and the source of ultimate power.

That will be news to anyone actually in the City. Which currently seems to be full of bankers screaming ‘f***ing Brexit’, updating their CVs, and reading the Lonely Planet Guide to Frankfurt.

Naglfar
Naglfar
2 months ago

@Alan Robertshaw
Well, that was something. They don’t seem to understand that DC not being a state does not mean it’s not part of the US. The brief bit about Zionists doesn’t surprise me, but I confess it was unusual to see that much about Catholics, it’s been a while since I heard a conspiracy theory about Jesuits.

bcb
bcb
2 months ago

I think the Face/Off theory that Biden is actually Trump wearing Biden’s face, therefore Trump has been sworn in for a 2nd term is my favorite. Never mind that Trump and Biden have completely different body types, mannerisms, and voices and just face switching wouldn’t be that much of a disguise.

Do some of these QAnoners believe in lizard people? Seems like that idea would be easier to rationalize if you believe in shape-shifting aliens who could change their voice and body type at will.

Alan Robertshaw
2 months ago

Sorry to necro; but this seems the most appropriate thread.

Another “ex” qanon aficionado suddenly (and conveniently) realising it’s all BS.

So 9/11 wasn’t faked, and school shootings are real. No news on space lasers though.

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2021/02/04/marjorie-taylor-greene-school-shootings-9-11-q-anon-henderson-king-ip-vpx.cnn/video/playlists/this-week-in-politics/

She still got voted off the committees though; so wonder how long her change of heart will stick.

Naglfar
Naglfar
2 months ago

@Alan Robertshaw
Knowing how the right wing operates, she doesn’t mean a word of what she’s just said and is trying to save face.