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Roosh V blames The Jews for “most modern evils,” including his own

Roosh and antisemitic writer E. Michael Jones

Two years ago, the infamous pickup artist Roosh Valizadeh announced that he was giving up his life of sinful fornication and getting himself right with God. Or at least right with a right-wing God, whom he apparently met in person after taking a megadose of ‘shrooms. (No, I’m not kidding.)

Now, instead of penning rapey pickup manuals, he writes posts on his blog with titles like “I Lived Most of My Life Under Demonic Influence,” “There is No Identity Without Christ,” and (somewhat unexpectedly) “Why I Don’t Trust American Dentists.”

Guess who else he doesn’t trust? The Jews.

Roosh has hated on Jews for a while now, and at one point he even got one of his tweets banned in France for promoting an antisemitic ASMR video. But he’s now getting serious about his antisemitism, blaming Jews for “most modern evils” from fornication to the Reformation.

In a recent post, Roosh reviews a book called “The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit” by a Catholic writer named E. Michael Jones, described by the Anti-Defamation League as a man “obsess[ed]” with “the damage that he believes Jews are inflicting on the Catholic Church and western civilization.”

Roosh’s book review — basically a series of long quotes from Jones’ book interspersed with relatively brief bits of editorializing from Roosh — blames Jews for everything from the Russian revolution to internet porn, and even for Roosh’s own fornication-heavy previous life.

If you decide to turn away from God, there will be a Jew to catch you with one of his degenerate movements, pseudo-intellectual ideologies, or money-making schemes. I fell for the Jewish trick of sexual liberation and paid dearly for it. Many others fall for greed, cosmopolitan living, new atheism, pornography, or the self-glorification that comes from Jewish-run social networking and dating apps. I must conclude that Jews are God’s punishment to those with weak faith. If you stray too far from God, you in essence become a Jew.

(Emphasis mine.)

In another section of the review, Roosh declares that:

Once you learn how to recognize Jewish names and physiognomy, it doesn’t take long to see that just about every moral degradation under the sun is spearheaded by Jews. There are certainly gentiles involved in such movements, but if Jews were wholly absent, many social revolutions and degeneracies would simply not exist.

There are a lot of similar proclamations in Roosh’s post. We “learn,” among other things, that:

Jews hate manual labor. … Unless you do manual labor, it could be argued that you are Jewish in character. …

In a society without tradition, rootless Jews can flourish. Their very first task when parasitizing a new nation is to break down the traditional order …

While many men have fantasies about defeating Jews or ridding them from the land, understand that they would never have gained power in the first place if people stayed close to God. Without faith, a man will not be able to resist the traps that the Jews set out for him, so the solution to constrain the Jew becomes a personal and then societal decision of faith.

Roosh is really cranking the antisemitism up to eleven.

Couldn’t he have found a God who was somewhat less of an asshole?

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Naglfar
Naglfar
5 months ago

I Lived Most of My Life Under Demonic Influence

Because why take responsibility for your actions and acknowledge your own hypocrisy when you can just blame it all on demons?

Roosh reviews a book called “The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit” by a Catholic writer named E. Michael Jones

Fundamentalist Orthodox Christians and Catholics bonding over antisemitism can put thousands of years of schism aside when hating a favorite scapegoat, evidently.

blames Jews for everything from the Russian revolution to internet porn

Both of those are longstanding antisemitic tropes.

If you stray too far from God, you in essence become a Jew.

Apparently a group that has worshipped the same God for longer than Christians have is too far from God.

Jews hate manual labor.

Hmm. Is that a permutation of the stereotype that all Jews are rich?

Their very first task when parasitizing a new nation is to break down the traditional order

To be fair, I do want to break down the traditional order, but that’s because the “traditional order” is white supremacist patriarchy and oppressive, so I think it is in the best interest to overturn it.

Karalora
Karalora
5 months ago

Hmm. Is that a permutation of the stereotype that all Jews are rich?

Probably that combined with the “scholar” stereotype.

Lainy
Lainy
5 months ago

He knows Jesus is Jewish right?

Naglfar
Naglfar
5 months ago

@Lainy
He probably has some excuse for how Jesus isn’t really Jewish, I’ve heard multiple such excuses from evangelical Protestants and it wouldn’t surprise me if fundamentalist Orthodox Christians have similar ones.

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Lainy
Lainy
5 months ago

@naglfar

I never understood that. If Jesus was a Christian that means he’s worship himself.

Contrapangloss
Contrapangloss
5 months ago

Just when I think that maybe he’s about as terrible a person as he’s ever going to be, he manages to find yet more ways to be terrible.

And his life kind of sounds like it just generally is miserable, and he’s made so many other people miserable by being a rapist AND dispensing terrible life advice.

I still remember a decade ago when he was convinced he was cool, and I wonder what the heck young-but-still-terrible him would make of still-terrible-but-also-miserable him.

Young MRA types, this sad excuse for a human could be your future. You don’t want this to be your future. Get out of the rabbit hole before it eats you alive.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
5 months ago

So, not only is Roosh a misogynist and an anti-Semite, but he’s also an anti-dentite?
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Johanna
Johanna
5 months ago

I’m sorry, what kind of manual labour does Roosh think he does? Last time I checked, blogging from your mom’s basement is in fact not a blue collar job…

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
5 months ago

rootless Jews can flourish.

I mean… my Jewish ancestors had roots. You’ll never guess how they had to become rootless, go to a new nation, and put down new roots. There’s no way anyone could possibly see the answer coming, it’s simply not seeable.

Nazis. It was Nazis.

But sure. It was totally their fault.

@Naglfar, Karalora

Probably that combined with the “scholar” stereotype.

Uh oh, I hate manual labor (although it doesn’t mean I don’t do it) and I’m a scholar. I think I just need a slightly more cartoonish nose and then I auto-get 1,000,000,000 dollars to donate to shady libtard causes.

How much manual labor inoculates you from having a Jewish character, do you reckon? Like if you ever had a manual job once, a summer job on a farm in high school, is that good enough?

Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
5 months ago

Unless you do manual labor, it could be argued that you are Jewish in character. I take this to heart as a man who spends most of his working hours sitting on a chair and staring at a computer screen (the first time I used a wheelbarrow was when I was 40 years old).

He’s taking it to heart — but is he switching jobs? Nah.

Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
5 months ago

Unless you do manual labor, it could be argued that you are Jewish in character. I take this to heart as a man who spends most of his working hours sitting on a chair and staring at a computer screen (the first time I used a wheelbarrow was when I was 40 years old).

Does Roosh’s labor to create rape manuals count as manual labor.

Cheerful Warthog
Cheerful Warthog
5 months ago

I do not believe that there are many people who love manual labour. The results, certainly, but the process… not nobody, but I don’t think many people view Sisyphus’s task as aspirational.

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
5 months ago

Re: manual labor

The origin of the stereotype is probably that (IIRC) Jews in medieval Europe were forbidden from soldiering, farm labor, or anything else that could give them access to weapons. IOW, not our fault, but you know goyim; it’s always “Stop hitting yourself!”, never acceptance of their own complicity.

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
5 months ago

Also though, notice how hating manual labor as “Jewish character” also covers being disabled?

That’s deliberate. Nazi-style antisemitism sees Jewishness, disability, and queerness as all part of the same thing, all “weakness” and “impurity”. More extreme versions see morality as also being weakness, and consider the moral commandment parts of Christianity to be Jewishness-influenced and not worthy of white people. Hitler himself had beliefs in that direction IIRC – and it’s part of why I tend to be skeptical of self-identified Satanists, even though I basically hate Christianity.

Naglfar
Naglfar
5 months ago

@Big Titty Demon

How much manual labor inoculates you from having a Jewish character, do you reckon?

More than 8 days? There are a bunch of holidays that last that long.

I think I just need a slightly more cartoonish nose and then I auto-get 1,000,000,000 dollars to donate to shady libtard causes.

You may also need to buy a tallis, I bought one some years ago and later made more money so there may be a correlation. Patience helps.

@Cyborgette

IOW, not our fault, but you know goyim; it’s always “Stop hitting yourself!”, never acceptance of their own complicity.

I think that’s where many of the stereotypes come from, like the stereotype of being corrupt bankers (since Christians were banned from moneylending and it was one of the only jobs Jews could hold) or more recently the idea that we are creating porn for nefarious reasons (once again, market niche that some American Jews got into in the 20th century because Christians wouldn’t do it).

it’s part of why I tend to be skeptical of self-identified Satanists

I’m skeptical of a lot of Satanists as well, because I have seen enough that can’t seem to distinguish between worshiping Satan and supporting evil things in the world and that either ironically or unironically support alt right stuff.

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Moggie
Moggie
5 months ago

Jews hate manual labour? I guess he’s never heard of kibbutzim.

Anne
Anne
5 months ago

I wonder if anyone has pointed out to him that his religion is just a new source of the endorphin rush he used to get from sex and drugs?

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Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
5 months ago

Roosh shunning Jews and becoming buddy-buddy with God doesn’t appear to be saving him from moral (and dental) decay. He’s more of a garbage fire than ever.

Once you learn how to recognize Jewish names and physiognomy, it doesn’t take long to see that just about every moral degradation under the sun is spearheaded by Jews.

Once you deliberately train yourself to see boogeyman everywhere, it doesn’t take long to see that they’re everywhere! Amazing! Congratulations, Roosh, you just re-invented the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon.

I have a feeling that “Jewish physiognomy” is an imaginary bucket into which Roosh throws every feature he personally finds weak and unattractive, from curly hair to small-boned men, regardless of whether it has anything to do with Jewishness. Anybody who does something he doesn’t like, he’ll find an excuse to throw them into the bucket. He himself, of course, is exempt from his own stringent standards.

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Lollypop
Lollypop
5 months ago

I fell for the Jewish trick of sexual liberation and paid dearly for it.

Ha! Yes, it is the Jews fault that Roosh believed a myth that he helped perpetuate, and thought that teenage and very young women would find a creepy aging bar hopper attractive because FINE WINE and EVOLUTION and HYPERGAMY. Jesus Christ, is it not possible for these people to take any responsibility for themselves.

SpecialFFrog
SpecialFFrog
5 months ago

@Moggie: arguably the kibbutzim movement is partially a response to the romantic era anti-semitism Roosh seems to be espousing.

Naglfar
Naglfar
5 months ago

@Lollypop

Yes, it is the Jews fault that Roosh believed a myth that he helped perpetuate, and thought that teenage and very young women would find a creepy aging bar hopper attractive because FINE WINE and EVOLUTION and HYPERGAMY.

Although it wasn’t Jews that did it to him, I do think Roosh’s recent shift is attributable to his belief in that myth. He convinced himself that he would age well, would still be attractive to young women, and could keep being a pickup artist. It broke his world view and caused a midlife crisis when that turned out not to be the case, and random women no longer wanted to fuck him, so he immediately sought another path that would allow him to keep the misogyny and antisemitism but wouldn’t be contingent on his attractiveness to young women, and took the fundie path.

Side note: I’ve never thought Roosh was very attractive to begin with, so I’d imagine his tales of seducing women were mostly exaggerated anyway.

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Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meani
Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meani
5 months ago

@Cheerful Warthog,

I do not believe that there are many people who love manual labour. The results, certainly, but the process… not nobody, but I don’t think many people view Sisyphus’s task as aspirational.

Depends on the kind of labor, I think. A nicely made patio, for example, can make the actual labor involved worth it and enjoyable – to a point, anyway. What reward the worker gets at the end of the work undoubtedly plays a role on how much they enjoy the labor part.

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
5 months ago

In a society without tradition, rootless Jews can flourish. Their very first task when parasitizing a new nation is to break down the traditional order …

While many men have fantasies about defeating Jews or ridding them from the land, understand that they would never have gained power in the first place if people stayed close to God.

AFAIK some pagan-leaning neonazis regard Christianity as foreign and detrimental to white/European people, and possibly even a Jewish plot to destroy white people’s cultural strength, their connection to gods etc.

Also, AFAIK the spread of Jewish communities from the Mediterranean towards northern Europe was historically sort-of associated with the spread of Christianity. IDK if there’s actually any causal relationship here? Some random non-expert thoughts here.

In antiquity, early Christianity, like contemporary Judaism, was primarily a faith of “rootless cosmopolitans”, spreading via trade routes from city to city, with little effect on the old-fashioned tribesmen living in nearby rural villages. Also, it took centuries for the two Abrahamic religions to even become clearly distinct from each other. The main practical difference was that Jewish identity was tied to blood heritage, and thus less effective or less interested in proselytism. Christians were the first ones to convert Roman imperial elites, then Cermanic and Slavic elites, and get the necessary institutional backing to effectively convert rural populations.

European societies eventually became dominated by Christianity, but Jewish communities, particularly in cities, were highly able to resist Christian conversion, as long as they weren’t physically murdered or driven out. It seems Jews were allowed to exist in certain socioeconomic niches, for one reason or another. Probably the growth of cities and trading networks in northern Europe during middle ages, which often facilitated the spread of Christianity, was even more of a requirement for the spread of Judaism and Jewish ethnic culture.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
5 months ago

Ah yes, the jews are responsible for Roosh being a serial rapist.

Ann Hatzakis
Ann Hatzakis
5 months ago

He claims to be Orthodox Christian. His views are ANATHEMA to the Orthodox Christian teachings I learned directly from my Orthodox Christian priest father.

He has co-opted Orthodoxy as a way to justify his misogyny and racism the same way that “folkish” Heathens in the United States are a beard for white supremacist misogyny.

rabid rabbit
rabid rabbit
5 months ago

@Ooglyboggles:

Exactly! So clearly you should hate da ((jjjjjjjooooooooooooozzzzzz))))) instead of hating Roosh.

1Q84
1Q84
5 months ago

He’s still pro-Likud Israel, though, right?

Naglfar
Naglfar
5 months ago

@Lumipuna

AFAIK some pagan-leaning neonazis regard Christianity as foreign and detrimental to white/European people, and possibly even a Jewish plot to destroy white people’s cultural strength, their connection to gods etc.

I have observed this, see also some occult Nazis such as the Creativity movement.

Also, AFAIK the spread of Jewish communities from the Mediterranean towards northern Europe was historically sort-of associated with the spread of Christianity.

I am not a historian, but from what I know the main reason Jews left the Mediterranean was because of persecution. Previously the Mediterranean had been controlled by Muslim states which had been mostly tolerant of Jews, but the Spanish Inquisition forced Jews and Muslims out so many took root in Northern Europe.

It seems Jews were allowed to exist in certain socioeconomic niches, for one reason or another.

Mostly those related to handling money. Because it was considered sinful for Christians to be moneylenders or bankers but was necessary, Jews were allowed to survive in that niche. Like Cyborgette mentioned above, this led to the stereotype that Jews are rich and greedy.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
5 months ago

@Buttercup:

Roosh … becoming buddy-buddy with God doesn’t appear to be saving him from moral (and dental) decay. He’s more of a garbage fire than ever.

His error there was in thinking the sex was his sin. It wasn’t. His treating other people as things to be used and discarded (whether for sex or for other purposes) was the sin, and he still holds that attitude, as evidenced by his continuing to judge other people based on their religion, sex, or other characteristics. Thus, the moral decay continues unabated.

Lainy
Lainy
5 months ago

@surplus

I’d say his sin was raping women who didn’t want to have sex with him and then blog about and encourage other people to rape women who are two afraid to physically fight back or to drunk to.

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
5 months ago

Ann Hatzakis:

He claims to be Orthodox Christian. His views are ANATHEMA to the Orthodox Christian teachings I learned directly from my Orthodox Christian priest father.

He has co-opted Orthodoxy as a way to justify his misogyny and racism the same way that “folkish” Heathens in the United States are a beard for white supremacist misogyny.

IIRC, Roosh identifies as Armenian Orthodox (ie. not “Orthodox” in the usual English sense) due to a family connection, but I wonder if he actually attends a relevant church, or any church, since becoming born again. As a Christian, he could be mostly influenced by whatever confirmation he can find for his prejudices online.

sarah_kay_gee
sarah_kay_gee
5 months ago

Roosh is the herpes simplex of the MRA world. Whenever society decides they’ve had enough of his particular brand of bullshit, he shape shifts and starts the grift all over again. From PUA to MRA to born-again internet nazi. I have to admit I’m mildly curious to see what his next incarnation will be.

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
5 months ago

Naglfar:

I am not a historian, but from what I know the main reason Jews left the Mediterranean was because of persecution. Previously the Mediterranean had been controlled by Muslim states which had been mostly tolerant of Jews, but the Spanish Inquisition forced Jews and Muslims out so many took root in Northern Europe.

Ok. That’s a little surprising – You’d think they’d rather have gone towards North Africa when their homes were taken over by the reconquista.

That said, I know Jews have been often driven out of places, and then gone wherever they could.

Mostly those related to handling money. Because it was considered sinful for Christians to be moneylenders or bankers but was necessary, Jews were allowed to survive in that niche. Like Cyborgette mentioned above, this led to the stereotype that Jews are rich and greedy.

That makes sense, though I don’t suppose all or most Jews traditionally worked in the “forbidden” industries? AFAIK Central Europe had a rather substantial Jewish population that wasn’t even entirely limited to cities.

Meanwhile, Sweden apparently rejected any Jews in medieval and early modern era, while the necessary money lending was done by ethnic German merchants of the Hanseatic league.

epitome of incomrepehensibility

Gross, but not surprising.

Not long ago he was all, “Hey, feminists, you support ‘The Muslims’ so you’d like to be repressed by Sharia law, huh, huh?”

…and still some people [thinking of one Quebec journalist, but maybe no one’s heard of her here] pretend that Islamophobia and anti-Semitism are so different – I mean, they may have different origins and tropes, but the rhetoric, esp. among today’s white supremacists, is hard to distinguish.

Oh yeah, and the racists he’s trying to appeal to could easily say he’s not white enough for them (he’s Persian & Armenian, I think?) But then they could use him as a shield or token minority.

Anyway, these parts are particularly silly:

If you stray too far from God, you in essence become a Jew.

While many men have fantasies about defeating Jews or ridding them from the land, understand that they would never have gained power in the first place if people stayed close to God.

Granted, not everyone who identifies as Jewish is religious, but what does he think religious Jews believe in, the flying spaghetti monster??

Katherine the Adequate
Katherine the Adequate
5 months ago

Jesus was a Jewish carpenter. Isn’t carpentry manual labor? I’m confused. Roosh and his acolytes never make sense.

Naglfar
Naglfar
5 months ago

@Lumipuna
It may also be worth noting that the Armenian Apostolic Church has some significant differences from other sects of Eastern Orthodox Christianity, but I also would imagine Roosh has picked and chosen what to follow to maximize misogyny and minimize responsibility.

You’d think they’d rather have gone towards North Africa when their homes were taken over by the reconquista.

Again, not a historian, but I would imagine they didn’t go to North Africa because that would require crossing the Mediterranean, and hence boat travel, which would be expensive.

@epitome

Oh yeah, and the racists he’s trying to appeal to could easily say he’s not white enough for them (he’s Persian & Armenian, I think?) But then they could use him as a shield or token minority.

So far the racists don’t like him much. It appears most of them do not consider Armenians to be white and certainly not Persians. It’s also worth noting that a lot of white supremacists seem to conflate Armenians and Jews for some reason, for instance during GamerGate when they made antisemitic jokes and memes about Anita Sarkeesian. Maybe because both are minorities that have cultures and languages that differentiate them from others and have historically been diasporic?

Granted, not everyone who identifies as Jewish is religious, but what does he think religious Jews believe in, the flying spaghetti monster??

I’ve heard a significant number of Christians who believe that Muslims worship a different god than Jews or Christians, evidently they don’t realize that Allah is an Arabic word for the same God as other Abrahamic religions. That said, I haven’t heard as many that think Jews worship a different god than Christians. Though as you said, antisemitism and Islamophobia have a lot in common, so it doesn’t really surprise me that Roosh thinks this.

Alan Robertshaw
5 months ago

@ Katherine the adequate

The gospels peg Jesus (and Joseph) as Tekton.

That word appears to mean craftsman or artisan. It was used to include carpenters, but also people like builders and engineers (but not metal workers). Interestingly it can also mean teacher.

There’s various theories about why it got particularly associated with carpentry in Jesus’ case. Including some, not generally accepted, theories that tekton/carpenter was a sort of nickname for people learned in the Torah and religious matters generally. Although that meaning is used by St Paul.

https://biblehub.com/2_timothy/2-15.htm

ETA: This is making me all nostalgic for my days of RE ‘A’ Level. One of the modules was “The Synoptic Gospels”.

Which prompted the immediate question “Please sir, what does synoptic mean?”

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Robert
Robert
5 months ago

One of the things I am proud of as a parent is having inoculated my children against the virus of anti-Semitism (as my own parents did for me). My older son has a generally dim view of organized religion, but makes an exception for Judaism.

Jews, as he puts it, don’t mind if you’re not Jewish, they’d just prefer that you not mind that they are. The other Abrahamic faiths would do well to follow their example.

Dalillama
5 months ago

@Naglfar

Again, not a historian, but I would imagine they didn’t go to North Africa because that would require crossing the Mediterranean, and hence boat travel, which would be expensive.

IIRC there was a trend towards intolerance in North African Islam at that time as well, which made many Muslim states no more welcoming of Jews than the Christian states.

I’ve heard a significant number of Christians who believe that Muslims worship a different god than Jews or Christians, evidently they don’t realize that Allah is an Arabic word for the same God as other Abrahamic religions.

IME they claim that last bit is a lie aimed at deceiving Christians. Apparently an islamophobic anthropologist of the early 20th century claimed that Allah was the name of a pre-Muslim moon god. I cannot easily determine why, but a subset of Evangelicals have been passing the story around ever since.

Allandrel
Allandrel
5 months ago

@Robert

Funnily enough, the fact that Quakers do not proselytize was one of the things that drew me to them.

@Dalillama

IIRC, the “Muslims worship a separate God” business dates at least back to the Crusades. “Termagant” was one of the names bandied about.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
5 months ago

All the satanist I have seen so far were of the “ironic satanist who are mostly anti-christian” part, never have seen one who actually worshipped Satan in more than words. They also all were asshole. Most were assholes of the atheist variety, the one that think that being atheist make them inherently superior and justify any amount of disrespect to other religions. A few were of the fascist variety. (apparently thoses are on the upswing ?)

The idea that muslims don’t venerate the same god is the easiest way to justify not converting to islam, so of course idiots will latch on the idea. The behavior of their prophet is also *rather* different from Jesus, but on the other hand, most modern christians are closer to the behavior of Muhammad than the behavior of the Christ.

I have a feeling that the current pope and his predecessors are hard at work at trying to row back christianity to be closer to its original message. Given the difference between locals sermons as reported by my family and the pope declaration, that isn’t going too well.

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
5 months ago

So, Roosh is going through a midlife crisis, and has hit the wall. He behaves as if he’s the only human on earth to age, and to change as he ages.

I don’t know whether to believe that he genuinely had a spiritual/religious experience while under the influence of magic mushrooms. Much of his life, it seems to me, is lived online. Maybe he realized that he was getting too long in the tooth to market himself as a pickup artist to young men, and so he made the big switcheroo, to spiritual guru/MRA elder🙄

Alan Robertshaw
5 months ago

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LollyPop
LollyPop
5 months ago

@Naglfar

Yeah I completely agree, he may attribute to deeper causes but this whole turnaround is down to his ego not being able to cope with aging.

I’ve never thought Roosh was very attractive to begin with, so I’d imagine his tales of seducing women were mostly exaggerated anyway.

Almost certainly, and even if you didn’t know he’s actually raped people, his tactics were always so highly and openly reliant on coercion and getting girls drunk that it’s clear he was no Casanova.

I guess, for me anyway, that if he was a nice person he would be in the category of Ordinary Handsome – as in, quite pleasant looking. When I’ve seen in on screen though he is extremely off-putting because there’s something in my lizard brain that reacts to badly to him. He looks, moves and sounds like a predator, with an extra unpleasant layer of pathetic self pity.

Naglfar
Naglfar
5 months ago

@Ohlmann

never have seen one who actually worshipped Satan in more than words

From my (admittedly limited) knowledge, there are 2 kinds of satanists: theistic and atheistic. Most are atheistic and don’t worship Satan, but view Satan as some sort of symbol of evil and chaos.

@Dormousing_it

Maybe he realized that he was getting too long in the tooth to market himself as a pickup artist to young men, and so he made the big switcheroo, to spiritual guru/MRA elder🙄

I also feel this is the more likely story. Maybe shrooms played a role, but it sounds like this is the main reason.

@Lollypop

When I’ve seen in on screen though he is extremely off-putting because there’s something in my lizard brain that reacts to badly to him. He looks, moves and sounds like a predator, with an extra unpleasant layer of pathetic self pity.

Definitely. If he weren’t a pickup artist I’d say he’s about average, but he’s just overwhelmingly creepy in his behavior.

Moon Custafer
Moon Custafer
5 months ago

@ Dalillama:

IIRC, there’s a substantial number of conservative Protestants who like to insist Catholics are all secretly Pagans worshipping a goddess in the guise of the Virgin Mary. (I’ve also met at least one Pagan ex-Catholic who likes to point out the prevalence of Marian-iconography, but in more of an ironic “they’re so close to getting it right” kind of way)

SpecialFFrog
SpecialFFrog
5 months ago

@naglfar: one organization — I think the Church of Satan in the US — seems to exist solely to challenge laws that illegally favour Christianity.

I suspect strong overlap between its members and “asshole atheism” though I don’t think they view Satan as anything other than religious figure that Christian have to accept as “valid” as opposed to something like the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Alan Robertshaw
5 months ago

@ Katherine the adequate

The gospels peg Jesus (and Joseph) as Tekton.

That word appears to mean craftsman or artisan. It was used to include carpenters, but also people like builders and engineers (but not metal workers). Interestingly it can also mean teacher.

There’s various theories about why it got particularly associated with carpentry in Jesus’ case. Including some, not generally accepted, theories that tekton/carpenter was a sort of nickname for people learned in the Torah and religious matters generally. Although that meaning is used by St Paul.

https://biblehub.com/2_timothy/2-15.htm

ETA: This is making me all nostalgic for my days of RE ‘A’ Level. One of the modules was “The Synoptic Gospels”.

Which prompted the immediate question “Please sir, what does synoptic mean?”

Last edited 5 months ago by Alan Robertshaw
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
5 months ago

@Naglfar

I also feel this is the more likely story. Maybe shrooms played a role, but it sounds like this is the main reason.

Sounds about right. He was depressed after his sister’s death, and went into a mid-life/identity crisis when rapey seduction failed to fill the void. He did shrooms in a park with a friend, saw trees moving and had an out of body experience, but it didn’t produce any larger awareness or empathy beyond “whoa, I’m divine and special!” The shrooms told him exactly what he wanted to hear, nothing more.

In that respect, he’s like every other white-dude psychedelic tourist who chases after mind-altering experiences, but only ones that won’t challenge him in any way or require him to do hard self-examination. All it did was reaffirm his belief that he’s the center of the universe.

He’s still a selfish, predatory prick, it’s just that God is now backing him.

Last edited 5 months ago by Buttercup Q. Skullpants
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5 months ago

@SpecialFFrog
Are you maybe thinking of The Satanic Temple? They’re the ones who performed a pink mass to make Fred Phelps’s mothers ghost gay and who sponsored the Baphomet statue outside the Oklahoma state house. The Church of Satan is a different organization, and they don’t get along well.

@Buttercup
Exactly. Which is ironic, given that one common effect reported for psychedelics is ego loss. But I guess Roosh is that self centered that all he could see was himself as divine.

The idea of Roosh having an out of body experience and then becoming a fundamentalist Christian gives a new meaning to the song “Suite-Pee” by System of a Down, albeit almost the exact opposite of the original meaning.

I had an out of body experience
The other day
Her name was Jesus
And for her everyone cried
Everyone cried
Everyone cried

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