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Impeached Again: Open thread

So the House has voted to impeach Donald Trump, for a second time. His trial in the Senate, alas, won’t be happening until after Biden is sworn in. Here’s hoping Trump won’t do too much more damage to our country in the last six days of his term.

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Naglfar
Naglfar
6 months ago

We’ve also fortunately been able to avoid his Twitter commentary because he’s banned from Twitter (and every other social media platform). I am aware that Trump will not be convicted and will probably have left office anyway by the time the vote is, but at the very least the senate can and likely will bar him from ever running for president again.

Marjorie Taylor Greene, a QAnon-believing representative, has declared that she will file impeachment articles against Biden on January 21. This will go absolutely nowhere, but I’m slightly curious to see what she thinks qualify as articles of impeachment.

tim gueguen
6 months ago

I imagine her “articles of Impeachment” will pretty much consist of “ARRRGGGGHH!!!! STOLEN ELECTION!!!!! PEDOPHILES!!!!!! GUN CONTROL!!!!” written in crayon over and over again.

Last edited 6 months ago by tim gueguen
Naglfar
Naglfar
6 months ago

@tim gueguen
I’m expecting some Q drops to make an appearance.

DrVanNostrand
DrVanNostrand
6 months ago

@Naglfar

He must be convicted with a supermajority before they are allowed to bar him from office on a majority vote. He almost certainly won’t be barred from running again.

bcb
bcb
6 months ago

Given that some Democrats are calling for punishing the social networks that enabled Trump, can we please prosecute the “liberal” media at Fox, NBC News, CNN and Simon and Schuster for giving Trump and co so much airtime?

numerobis
numerobis
6 months ago

DrVanNostrand: while impeachment bans running for office again, there’s also the 14th amendment which was intended to ban confederates from running (though they pretty quickly were given an amnesty, so it has never applied).

Naglfar
Naglfar
6 months ago

@DrVanNostrand

He must be convicted with a supermajority before they are allowed to bar him from office on a majority vote. He almost certainly won’t be barred from running again.

From Reuters:

Paul Campos, a professor of constitutional law at the University of Colorado, said that even if the Senate does not convict the president, senators could hold a second, separate vote to prevent him from future office.

Trump could challenge this in court as it hasn’t been done before, but legal experts say it could happen without being convicted, as it would be a separate vote.

SpecialFFrog
SpecialFFrog
6 months ago

If the Republicans were smart they would get just enough Republicans who are probably safe from being primaried any time soon to help impeach and bar Trump from running in 2024. Then they can use the “unfair treatment of Trump” to rally the base when campaigning while also getting rid of Trump.

DrVanNostrand
DrVanNostrand
6 months ago

@Naglfar

Thanks for the link. After hearing the coverage on NPR, the legal scholars they interviewed made it seem like a clear cut issue. Apparently, it is still somewhat unsettled. Good to know.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
6 months ago

Pretty hard to feel too thrilled when I’m pretty sure more violence from right wing extremists is coming and it’s looking more and more like the capitol putsch was an inside job, but I am glad the Dems didn’t wimp out and just let Trump finish out his term with no attempt at accountability.

This next week can’t go by soon enough.

Naglfar
Naglfar
6 months ago

@DrVanNostrand
Looking further it appears that there is debate over whether that can happen, so we will have to wait and see what Schumer does and what the courts say. Honestly I’m not super optimistic given the current Supreme Court, but on some level I think the establishment Republicans might be seeing Trump as a liability right now.

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
6 months ago

@weirwoodtreehugger

Pretty hard to feel too thrilled when I’m pretty sure more violence from right wing extremists is coming

All the people I know working for state governments in state capitols have been told to stay home and not even approach their office buildings, exactly because of the FBI warning about this. More right-wing terrorist violence is absolutely coming.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
6 months ago

Good idea anyway, during the pandemic, if they can telecommute via Zoom.

Skiriki
Skiriki
6 months ago

This morning, I had some hot chocolate with impeach-MINT ice cream and this weekend I’m gonna make im-PEACH-ment cobbler.

That’s all.

Moon Custafer
Moon Custafer
6 months ago

Saw a number of people calling it “Twim Peach” or “Twinpeachment” and posting images of Agent Cooper et al.

Ray of Rays
Ray of Rays
6 months ago

Honestly, it won’t necessarily be a bad thing for the trial to happen until after the inauguration. Democrats will have the slim majority by then, meaning McConnell won’t be able to cut the hearings short like the first impeachment.

Battering Lamb
Battering Lamb
6 months ago

Trump: The president with more impeachments than terms.

Last edited 6 months ago by Battering Lamb
Ohlmann
Ohlmann
6 months ago

Let’s hope all wannabee dictators be at least as incompetent as Trump.

If they could just … not be ? it would be better. Too many deads and too many traumatized by Trump already.

Before the era of the Drumpf, I used to remind people that real life fascists and nazis weren’t anywhere near as competent and organized than their propaganda and pop culture made it to be. Now, I can also add “but they *were* much more competent and organized than Trump”.

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
6 months ago

Up side – the bugger’s lost his ability to pardon anyone. That’ll be useful in the long run.

Covered In Cat Hair
Covered In Cat Hair
6 months ago

I don’t think the impeachment will stop Trump from issuing pardons.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
6 months ago

🎵 Over-reached again, de-speeched again
And now he has been impeached again
Defrocked, disgraced, and demoted is he

I hope Biden is planning a secure virtual inauguration. This is going to be the longest week ever.

Alan Robertshaw
6 months ago

Well, at least one person thinks Giuliani has done such a terrible job he doesn’t deserve to be paid.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/534192-trump-tells-aides-not-to-pay-giulianis-legal-fees-report

Naglfar
Naglfar
6 months ago

@Buttercup

I hope Biden is planning a secure virtual inauguration.

It looks like most of the events will be virtual, but so far Biden has said he will be taking the oath of office outside (though I hope there will be fortifications around the capitol).

Vic
Vic
6 months ago

@Naglfar –

Argh, Marjorie Taylor-Greene… Never was there a more perfect representative of the people of their district. Ga-14 is that extreme NW corner of the state that is the tail of the Appalachia Mountains, combined with being on the I-75 corridor between Atlanta and Chattanooga, so it’s perfect exurb-style white-flight country, overlaid on country that was already historically white and racist.

Everything you need to know about this corner of the state in one anecdote:

My wife worked for a law office about 20 years ago, before cellphone and GPS ubiquity, and one of the partners at the firm she worked for had to drive to Rome, GA (in this corner of the state) for a trial. She got lost and stopped at a gas station to call the office for directions, and while on the phone with my wife (who was back at the office), the partner looked over at a mom coming into the gas station with a little baby in a carrier.

“Aw, what a cute little baby bunting” she said, as she saw it was white with some kind of little decorations on it and a little hat.

Then she realized that the ‘baby bunting’ was a little miniature baby-sized KKK robe, complete with hood.

Lainy
Lainy
6 months ago

Husband officially gets to come home in 9 months!

Alan Robertshaw
6 months ago

@ Lainy

Hooray! I’m very glad for you. I hope you have a lovely reunion.

It’s weird to think that there are currently three times more soldiers in Washington now than Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria combined.

Lainy
Lainy
6 months ago

@alan

yeah it is, I keep sending him stuff about it like everyday because it just a big heep of wow.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
6 months ago

@Vic:

Argh, Marjorie Taylor-Greene… Never was there a more perfect representative of the people of their district. Ga-14 is that extreme NW corner of the state that is the tail of the Appalachia Mountains, combined with being on the I-75 corridor between Atlanta and Chattanooga, so it’s perfect exurb-style white-flight country, overlaid on country that was already historically white and racist.

Everything you need to know about this corner of the state in one anecdote:

Or, you could just note that northern Georgia is the part of the state where “Deliverance” was set.

@Alan Robertshaw:

Well, at least one person thinks Giuliani has done such a terrible job he doesn’t deserve to be paid.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/534192-trump-tells-aides-not-to-pay-giulianis-legal-fees-report

This would be even funnier if Giuliani had ever been Trump’s defender on one of the many occasions when he was sued for refusing to pay contractors.

@Moon Custafer:

Saw a number of people calling it “Twim Peach” or “Twinpeachment” and posting images of Agent Cooper et al.

Who is Agent Cooper? Part of Trump’s security detail? Or Biden’s?

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
6 months ago

Who is Agent Cooper?

Character from the telly series Twin Peaks. Likes pie.

Moggie
Moggie
6 months ago

Oh please let Giuliani turn on Trump! That will be so hilarious!

Lainy
Lainy
6 months ago

I feel like everything is on the path to like blowing up.

Naglfar
Naglfar
6 months ago

@Moggie

Oh please let Giuliani turn on Trump! That will be so hilarious!

This is also probably made more likely by the fact that the NY Bar Association is moving to disbar Giuliani.

Alan Robertshaw
6 months ago

More fallout.

Forbes magazine has stated that, if any corporation or other business entity hires anyone from the former Trump administration, then the following criterion will apply.

Forbes will assume that everything your company or firm talks about is a lie. We’re going to scrutinize, double-check, investigate with the same skepticism we’d approach a Trump tweet.”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllane/2021/01/07/a-truth-reckoning-why-were-holding-those-who-lied-for-trump-accountable/

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
6 months ago

@Alan Robertshaw:
Of course, that’s nothing new for Forbes, either. From what I’ve heard, years before Trump became President, Forbes already had an internal rule of ‘if you want to know how much Trump is worth, ask him, and then divide it by three and you’ll be a lot closer’.

And Forbes is not exactly an outlet you can accuse of hating the rich.

Moggie
Moggie
6 months ago

All these companies suddenly having spines. Might have been nice if they had done this a few years earlier.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
6 months ago

@Jenora Feuer:

Of course, that’s nothing new for Forbes, either. From what I’ve heard, years before Trump became President, Forbes already had an internal rule of ‘if you want to know how much Trump is worth, ask him, and then divide it by three and you’ll be a lot closer’.

Wrong. The correct divisor is minus three, as the leaked tax returns proved conclusively. 🙂

@Moggie:

All these companies suddenly having spines. Might have been nice if they had done this a few years earlier.

Same explanation as a smattering of Republican politicians suddenly having them. As soon as the ink was dry on the 2020 election results, there were no longer any juicy pro-rich tax cuts or pro-rich judicial appointments at stake. Just the risk of being primaried, and that just for the politicians. So for businesses now there’s nothing at stake but optics, and the optics clearly favor being publicly pro-Biden and anti-coup. It’s a bit of a closer call for the politicians, who must decide which is the bigger risk, bad optics with the moderates or pissing off the base (and also how likely a future coup attempt is to succeed — for a Republican politician, at least, having come out against Trump could mean being tortured to death or similarly nasty consequences in that event, versus a shot at a position in the dictatorship’s bureaucracy).

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
6 months ago

@Surplus to Requirements:
As for the ‘minus three’, well, at the time I heard that about Forbes, the fact that he was that badly in debt wasn’t as well known. I mean, a lot of people suspected, and it’s been known for years that nobody with any credibility was going to lend him money anymore (hence why he had to go to Deutsche Bank, which isn’t extending him credit anymore either) but the full extent of the debt was hidden by much of the same processes the super-rich like to use to hide their own excesses.

As for politicians and death threats, somebody else pointed out a tweet from AOC that death threats for political positions have been happening to people like her for years, and “it’s a privilege if this is their first time.”

rv97
rv97
6 months ago

Why don’t the Demmocrats (or anyone else) have the spine to force him out of office once and for all? Then again some Democrats actually benefit from the shitty system America operates.

I dislike the Republicans and the Democrats are giving leftists a bad name.

Diego
Diego
6 months ago

I have to seriously wonder whether this will lead anywhere. Rachel Maddow went on air indicating that they are even bringing anti-corruption prosecutors to look at possible involvement by republican congressmen and house members in the attempted coup. Nevertheless, we know that Trump has already drafted a massive pardon list, which will be made public in the coming days.

I’m not too hopeful this SC, with 3 judges directly appointed by Trump and another who went on a rant against democrats on a recent political event, will uphold the principle that presidents cannot self-pardon.

And before anyone indicates that state crimes might serve as a consolation price to put Trump in jail: they won’t be. Because even in the unlikely scenario that he does go to jail for tax fraud or related charges, the truth will be that a precedent will have been created at the federal level that a president can commit crimes against humanity, engage in genocide (mass hysterectomies for Latinas in ICE camps), attempt a coup and still walk away without so much as a slap on the wrist.

Last edited 6 months ago by Diego