In the wake of the attack on the Capitol on Wednesday, a wide variety of people, from FBI agents to Antifa activists, have been poring over photos and videos of the incident looking for familiar faces.
Two teenage girls spotted family members in the mob and outed them on Twitter, inspiring a story on Russian propaganda outlet RT denouncing these “teenage touts” for their “Stasi-style snitching.”
Andrew Anglin of the neo-Nazi rag the Daily Stormer saw this article and decided to take RT’s, er, critique of the girls a couple of steps further.
After announcing, in headline-sized letters, that “[b]lood comes before everything else,” Anglin blames the “snitching” on the fact that the “snitches” are female.
“But of course: all of these snitches are women, because they have no loyalty to blood,” he writes.
They have no loyalty to anything other than themselves, and that typically translates into loyalty to the system, which they view as their protector.
His solution:
We have to stop women.
But how? Anglin imagines scenes of extreme brutality:
The appropriate thing would be to beat them up badly, including breaking their ribs, and then rape them, brutally, and then lock them in cages.
Then he takes a step back so that (in his mind at least) no one can accuse him of explicitly advocating violence.
But we of course can’t do that.
Instead, he suggests a more palatable “boycott” of women, MGTOW-style.
Don’t talk to them. Don’t make eye contact with them. Treat them with total disdain.
This is more powerful if you’re handsome, well dressed and in good shape. And you should be handsome, well dressed and in good shape for yourself, anyway.
That’s it. That’s his whole plan. But I’m all for this boycott of his. Somehow I doubt the women of the world will be heartbroken if Nazis — even well-dressed handsome Nazis — start ignoring them.
Unfortunately, as with the MGTOWs who seem to be Anglin’s inspiration here, the men who talk the most about ignoring women tend to be the ones most obsessed with them, comically unable to “go their own way.”
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Good gods. I hope the kids have somewhere safe to shelter. Outing parents’ bad behavior is dangerous in the best of cases; when the parents are violent fascists like this I can’t even imagine the risk. What those girls did was brave as hell and I hope they’re going to be okay.
As for Anglin, well. I wish nothing but bad things on him, and those bad things could very well include a beating for all I care.
Says a man who has no family and is hiding somewhere.
The alt right: known for the loyalty of its members to each other. They never turn on each other. /s
So, do they have no loyalty or are they loyal to “the system”? Make up your mind.
Actually, I wouldn’t mind if Nazis did this. This isn’t a terrible idea. Nazis, please avoid me, and I’ll return the favor.
Remember back when we talked about the only appropriate way to deal with Nazis? Yeah, no regrets to what I said. Gallows for the leadership and the hatemongers at the very least. Biden could even take advantage of the reinstatement of capital punishment at the federal level Trump gave us, even if for a couple of cases, before doing away with it again.
As for this, I can only hope Andrew Anglin is found, wherever he is hiding. That little dipshit needs to rot in jail for all the terror he has personally helped spread around the darkest corners of the internet.
Holy fucking shit, talk about incitement of violence. I’m assuming the “but we can’t do that” part is an attempt at legal plausible deniability?
I’m conflicted about the RT article because while I’m not shedding a tear for any MAGA chuds who end up implicated, I’m also not keen on doing the cops’ job for them. And regardless of how shitty they are, being in a position where you can turn your family members over to the cops is very sad and potentially damaging to you all on its own, especially as a teenager. Not worthy of condemnation obviously, but not a celebratory event either.
The way that article is written is pretty amusing though. The author is obviously seething.
One of those girls is apparently lesbian, who’s been kicked out of the house for it by the Trumper parents, so no sympathy for the parents obviously. It also adds an especially creepy corrective rape element to the whole backlash against her.
Hello, comments policy?
Meanwhile, evidence is coming to light that there was some level of serious organized planning behind Wednesday’s attempted coup. We have this, for starters:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/1/8/2007306/-Dark-money-group-behind-Republican-state-attorneys-general-organized-protest-before-the-insurrection
Though most of the invaders in the Capitol building were a rabble of what some might describe as right-wing trail mix, and who didn’t seem to have an organized plan for after they’d entered the building beyond wandering around demanding “Where’s Nancy Pelosi?” and the like (one woman even expressed, to a reporter, bafflement about what she was supposed to do next — “Hi, I’m new to carrying out violent coups, do you have a step-by-step guide or a For Dummies book or anything?”) there was a subset of them who apparently meant serious business. Guys with body armor, weapons, zipties sprinkled about within the mass.
My guess is that there were three groups there: a huge mass of rabble demonstrating on and around the Capitol grounds; the smaller, but still large group of unorganized fanatics who broke in; and a small, embedded unit of possibly-professional paramilitaries with a clear-cut mission.
The larger mass of “protesters” had a triple function: serve as a general cover and distraction for what was really being planned, including to divert and dilute to some extent any police presence; break into the building and into the House and Senate chambers within; and be the fall guys plus plausible deniability that it was anything more than a riot that got out of hand; with the latter two functions applying only to the subset who entered the building. Once that subset had breached the chambers, that was when the paramilitary unit was going to ensure the desired regime change took place — only the cops, despite being sabotaged by their own commanders and by Vichy quislings sprinkled among their rank and file, proved able to prevent the chambers being breached.
The identity of the paramilitary group is harder to determine. They could be one of the more serious, less weekend-warrior right-wing militia groups; they could be actual pros; any affiliation indicating things they carried (e.g. III% flags, Oath Keepers hats, etc.) could be phony to stymie identification of what group they really came from and deflect blame later, in case of failure. As for who hired them … well, the Kos article suggests it could have been a veritable who’s-who of Fortune 500 CEOs who’ve decided that 1930s Germany would have been a nice place to conduct their business.
Those poor girls. How has the Daily Stormer not lost its web hosting? Even Amazon is kicking Parler off the internet for inciting violence now.
@Surplus
The zip-tie guys have been identified, one is retired from the Army, the other’s a bartender. Well, was, he’s under arrest now. There were also a bunch of active duty military there, so far at least 25 of them are looking down the barrel of a court-martial. There was no organized subgroup, no detailed plan to be carried out by competent people while the chuds out front set up a distraction. It’s incompetent jackasses all the way down.
@Dalillama
I had been thinking the same way, but the more I learn, the more I am convinced that there were plans, and that “jackass” doesn’t begin to cover the nature of participation in the insurrection.
You may not agree, of course, but my opinion of those who marched and stood on Capitol grounds but did not enter the building has gotten worse and worse as new info has come to light.
I’m usually resolutely against charges like “riot” not because of the theory behind them, but because of how they are used. At this point, however, I’d be perfectly sanguine if the most serious charge for the least seriously charged persons who actually entered the Capitol was “riot” (18 USC 2101) and the most serious charge for minimally charged persons on the restricted grounds outside the Capitol Building is DCC 22-404. (Inside or outside the building, they would obviously also be charged with the appropriate form of trespass, etc. as well.) This does not preclude the more serious charges of Rebellion & Insurrection (18 USC 2383) where appropriate, nor would it preclude appropriate murder or assault charges.
I don’t like our government much, but what happened 1/6/2021 was a lot more serious than a bunch of jackasses fucking around.
I just think it’s hilarious that Russian propaganda is condemning its enemies for using “Stasi-like” tactics.
@Crip Dyke
Yes, the people attacking the Capitol were sincere, and genuinely intended harm. That’s not in question. The question is whether there was an inner cadre that had a more complex or workable plan than “burn the electoral ballots, find the evidence of the Deep State adrenochrome cabal, and shoot/hang our least favorite politicians and then we win.” There wasn’t and isn’t. These chucklefucks couldn’t even organize their own porta-potties after months of what passes for planning among this lot. They’re terrorists, insurrectionists, whatever you want to call them, but the simple truth is that they’re stupefyingly bad at it. Zip-tie guy was caught partially because he posed for selfies with his mom in full fig before going to commit a few dozen felonies. Buffalo Q called the FBI to narc on himself. They literally killed one of their own people and didn’t even notice, let alone care. We are not looking at something set up by people with the beginnings of a clue, we are looking at a bunch of people who think life’s an action movie and they’re Chuck Norris. Afaict only one of them even bothered to wear a mask while committing dozens of crimes on camera. These are the mediocre white people Ijeoma Oluo wrote a book about, and they’re throwing a huge racist tantrum about the idea of a society not designed to cater entirely to them. They’re dangerous because they’re armed, but it’s the same danger of assholes on shooting sprees we already have, not a functional, structured OpFor.
Don’t threaten me with a good time
I’m guessing everyone already saw this but I’ll post it just in case
Hello.
That is the horrible argument of too many “familial” rapers to incite their victims not to report them to the police (in addition to other threats, of course). May they dance barfoot in Hell on hellish legos.
@Diego : the gravity of the sentence isn’t terribly important, the swiftness and certainty of it is.
So no use of reinstating capital sentence or any horseshit like that. If they are all convicted and in prison for 10-20 years in a week, that will do infinitely more good than killing them in three month. Plus if there’s an error somewhere, releasing him will be easier than resuscitating him.
That’s why the impeachment on Trump is important. Showing immediate consequence is a big break from their habits.
@coup : it was completely organized and planned since several month. The fall guys were dupe, and stupid, and incompetent, but Trump planned this. He’s just too much of a moron to inject enough leadership and logistic for it to actually work.
In other words, Crip and Dali are both right : it’s an organized coup, made by incompetent and disorganized moron. Think a general sending an army, but the army have no internal leadership.
@Surplus to Requirements
There were certainly smaller groups who came equipped and with a plan… checkout these guys: https://nitter.snopyta.org/jsrailton/status/1348115530654347266#m
There were people there who knew their way around the building, and knew where some staffers’ real offices were… the ones where they do work, not the ones with their names over the door. (can’t find my reference for this now… buried under a flood of twittering, but I can try and dig it up later if anyone was interested). They had plans, and tools, and they went there fully intending to do something very bad. Very nearly managed it, too.
Someone knew what was going to happen, and deliberately hamstrung capitol security.
Thing is though, its all small beans by the standards of an actual coup. There was no overarching plan… the whole stupid enterprise was doomed from the get go. There was no mastermind, no attempt to follow through, just a stupid mob who broke in, got bored and wandered out again because there was nothing for them to do.
But this is Anglin’s solution to every imaginary problem. It’s also his imaginary perfect first date. And he never gets beyond the “lock them in cages” step. Presumably that’s because his right hand — or is it his left? — is tired. But my inquiring mind needs to know: Will he feed his captive — and if so, what? Is he any kind of cook? Will he let her out for exercise? To use the bathroom? What will he do when his victim’s parents knock on his door? (Besides shit his pants.) Or the police? (Again, besides shitting his pants.) What if she dies? (More explosive shitting.) Where will he bury the corpse? (No more shitting — there’s only so much a body can do.)
A small group of sleuths had been identifying right-wing extremists long before the attack on the Capitol
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/antifa-far-right-doxing-identities/2021/01/10/41721de0-4dd7-11eb-bda4-615aaefd0555_story.html
INB4 they pull a “it’s the Soviet Union all over again”, but those parents deserve their misfortune. Fascist Trump supporters want to enslave pretty much most humans to help some master chase profit margins or give people some paternalist “salvation”, whatever that might be.
Parler just got stripmined. For every bit of data, including all the deleted posts.
https://twitter.com/bitburner/status/1348558563019427842
We do indeed live in interesting times.
My computer geekery is far too low level to follow the whole thing, but the geeks I do know are both ecstatic and professionally furious about it.
@Big Titty Demon
They’ve moved hosts several times, I don’t know who currently hosts them. My guess would be they keep playing the alt right plausible deniability card.
Re: the attackers, I know that at least a few capitol police officers appear to have helped them navigate the building, such as finding Sen. Schumer’s office, so they did have some degree of help from the inside.
Re: the mining of Parler
I’m not really surprised, this was bound to happen at some point given the right’s typical attitude towards information security. Now I’m curious, since Parler requires social security numbers for verification, if those will released.
@Nagflar : to be entirely honest, that would happen to almost all sites of that size. They are not big enough to truly care about security. And attackers only need to find a crack once.
But, yes, Parler being mostly a grift used to extract money from conservative mean they really did not have to care about security. What is the worse that can happen ? And since when do conservative care about any shit pulled off by their “allies” ?
@Naglfar:
I’d forgotten that Parler required that (falls over laughing at the “absolute-freedom-of-speech, no-political-correctness” website that required more personal info to join than any other online social network.)
-Ernst Röhm
@Ohlmann
Well now. That depends entirely on how conspiratorial you’re feeling, doesn’t it?
Relevant twitter thread: https://nitter.net/davetroy/status/1327253991936454663
TL;DR: may or may not be a russian op, but it is (was) certainly funded by people who knew what they were doing and who certainly acheived some of their goals. Compare the impact of parler to gab, for example.