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MGTOW Redditor blames the Capitol riot on … women’s suffrage

Anti-suffrage postcard: MGTOWs also don’t want women to have a voice

There are a lot of people to blame for yesterday’s mob assault on the Capitol — from Donald Trump on down to your QAnon-loving uncle on Facebook. But over in the Men’s Going Their Own way subreddit, one imaginative commenter points the finger of blame at a rather different villain: the suffragists of the early 20th century.

“Maybe women voting wasn’t such a good idea,” writes the commenter known as SammySilver09.

This is only happening because women have voted us into a Corrupt Socialist country. And it’s tearing us apart.

Sammy here has a rather unique notion of what socialism is, I guess.

Women overwhelmingly vote for more government and higher taxes to pay for programs. Women always vote to put resources in fringe movements like Trans rights and they use emotions when voting on immigration and economic policy.

God forbid anyone let their emotions color their politics.

And I’ve never met a woman that didn’t vote for Obama. I’m not talking his politics but women voted for him because he’s a guy they wanna fuck, not because of his plan or policies.

So why did women vote for Joe Biden then? I mean, there aren’t a lot of 78-year-olds on anyone’s to-do list.

It only took a few generations of giving women power to destroy the greatest country in the world, just like it only took eve 1 day to destroy paradise.

Sammy isn’t the only MGTOW Redditor blaming women’s suffrage for our current political mess. Someone called roflcopt0rz_returns had this to say in another thread on the MGTOW subreddit:

Every group of people will point to another to explain the problems with society. For example, the left will point to white men or straight men or republicans or christians or whatever. Meanwhile the far right will point to jews and some point to blacks.

The REAL root of the problem however is women. Or more specifically, women’s suffrage. Or if you want to make it gender neutral, universal suffrage. Stupid people voting with no skin in the game will create a system that is rigged and corrupt and they will be too stupid to realize what the problem is. A simple example would be stupid people (majority women) will vote in more welfare and then simultaneously vote for open borders to bring in unlimited migrants who do nothing but leech off the welfare system which causes everyone to go bankrupt. They are too stupid to see the connection.

Mr. Dunning, meet Mr. Kruger.

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KindaSortaHarmless
KindaSortaHarmless
3 months ago

I have to admit, that’s one use of “to-do list” I wasn’t expecting.

Now I think I know why MGTOWs can’t go their own way; if they did, they’d have no women around to blame for their mistakes.

Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
3 months ago

Every group of people will point to another to explain the problems with society.

The group called terrible people will point to women — all women, everywhere — as the problem.

So why did women vote for Joe Biden then? I mean, there aren’t a lot of 78-year-olds on anyone’s to-do list.

I figured that with Dr. Jill Biden as his wife — a woman devoted to public education — Joe Biden couldn’t be all bad. Also, Joe Biden was running against the worst person in the world.

@David
I appreciate the post, but that graphic is distressing and disgusting and triggering.

Naglfar
Naglfar
3 months ago

they use emotions when voting on immigration and economic policy.

I’ve always found the right wing’s claimed hatred of emotion to both be a total self-own and hypocrisy. For one, we have emotions for a reason, for two, they also vote based on emotion. The reason they are different is because they mainly vote on fear and hate, their preferred emotions. What they really mean is “they use emotions other than the ones I use.”

And I’ve never met a woman that didn’t vote for Obama. 

He must not have met many women, then. Millions of women didn’t vote for Obama.

Or if you want to make it gender neutral, universal suffrage.

Is this MGTOW arguing that we should bring back the property requirement for voting in addition to ending women’s suffrage? I doubt he realizes that that would probably disenfranchise him as well.

EDIT: I agree with Kat, can we have a different image?

Last edited 3 months ago by Naglfar
.45
.45
3 months ago

“So why did women vote for Joe Biden then? I mean, there aren’t a lot of 78-year-olds on anyone’s to-do list.”

Well, Mr. Ageist, we were given the choice between him and Trump. Which of them would you choose? ;D

epitome of incomrepehensibility

I just saw the news coverage – hadn’t watched it yesterday. To blame this on women you have to do some pretty far reaching (like back to when women were given the vote, apparently!), since most of the people storming the Capitol were men. Mostly white men.

But “the left” isn’t saying that the problem is people being white men. Look at this false equivalence:

For example, the left will point to white men or straight men or republicans or christians or whatever. Meanwhile the far right will point to jews and some point to blacks.

Most leftists aren’t saying that a particular gender, religion or racial identity makes someone inherently bad or stupid. Besides, “Republicans”? One of these is not like the others.

And the list of the far right’s targets is a bit short. They’re prepared to hate a whole lot of other religious and ethnic groups as well as LGBTQ folks and, hmm, women.

Lainy
Lainy
3 months ago

I didn’t vote for Obama, I was 8 though.

Naglfar
Naglfar
3 months ago

@epitome
I think it’s projection. The right is so used to hating people based on characteristics like gender or race and blaming their problems on minorities that they can’t imagine a political view not based on hate and scapegoating. So they assume the left must hate them for being cishet white men.

Crip Dyke
3 months ago

Women always vote to put resources in fringe movements like Trans rights

And I, for one, would like to thank Anita Bryant for her tireless work on behalf of queer & trans rights.

Lainy
Lainy
3 months ago

@naglfar

It is 100% projection.

Battering Lamb
Battering Lamb
3 months ago

This is only happening because women have voted us into a Corrupt Socialist country.

I’ll grant you corrupt, but socialist? No. Absolutely not. Are you high in addition to being completely delusional?

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
3 months ago

There’s a clear logical connection between women’s suffrage and the post-election desperation of diehard Trumpists. After all, if only men had cheated in that election, Trump would’ve won.

Naglfar
Naglfar
3 months ago

@Battering Lamb

I’ll grant you corrupt, but socialist? No. Absolutely not. Are you high in addition to being completely delusional?

To the right, socialism is a term for anything they don’t like. Having only looked at right wing media, they don’t know what socialism actually is so they just use it as a catch all for any policy that isn’t far right.

Simon
Simon
3 months ago

I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings but Dunning Kruger may just be a statistical artifact. Still plenty of space for motivated reasoning and good old-fashioned stupidity though.

Battering Lamb
Battering Lamb
3 months ago

To the right, socialism is a term for anything they don’t like. Having only looked at right wing media, they don’t know what socialism actually is so they just use it as a catch all for any policy that isn’t far right.

I am aware. Just like people tend to conflate socialism and communism. Doesn’t make it less frustrating or stupid.

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
3 months ago

@David

Thirding the request re the image.

@Simon

Ooh that’s interesting. Thanks for linking.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
3 months ago

“Capitol riot”. Call it what it is: an attempted coup.

Naglfar
Naglfar
3 months ago

@Simon
Interesting. I guess I’ll have to stop using that as an explanation for why people who don’t know the first thing about a topic think they’re experts.

bcb
bcb
3 months ago

@Naglfar

I think it’s projection. The right is so used to hating people based on characteristics like gender or race and blaming their problems on minorities that they can’t imagine a political view not based on hate and scapegoating. So they assume the left must hate them for being cishet white men.

I think some of it is projection, and some of it is that the conservative leaders (rich people who benefit from tax cuts to billionaires, and the pundits they hire) are telling rank-and-file conservatives that “the left is all about identity politics.” Some of the pundits and high-ranking Republican politicians probably know that the left doesn’t hate people for their gender or race, but they lie to their base and the base believes them.

Some Chick
Some Chick
3 months ago

How is it possible to get so much wrong in one post? Migrants take jobs but leech off welfare. Women somehow have no skin in the game of the society in which they live. Apparently lots of people want to f&ck Biden. Seriously. There has to be a word for this condensed, weapons grade level of wrong.
Furthermore, the violent LARPers at the Capital were not pushing back against “socialism.” They were protesting fairly conducted elections. They were trying to get their god emperor into the position of dictator for life. That is the exact opposite of what Miggies claim they want. Morons.
The internet was clearly a bad idea.

Last edited 3 months ago by Some Chick
Hambeast
Hambeast
3 months ago

Naglfar said

The right is so used to hating people based on characteristics like gender or race and blaming their problems on minorities that they can’t imagine a political view not based on hate and scapegoating. So they assume the left must hate them for being cishet white men.

Maybe I don’t hate cishet white men, but I sure don’t trust any* of ’em! Cishet white women, too, and I am one of those. Especially middle aged ones, which I am also one of.

sigh

and also

To the right, socialism is a term for anything they don’t like. Having only looked at right wing media, they don’t know what socialism actually is so they just use it as a catch all for any policy that isn’t far right.

Which is why we got Kelly Loeffler robotically and endlessly repeating the phrase “radical socialist” referring to Mr. Warnock in all of her election speeches. But the magic words didn’t work this time.

*that I don’t personally know

But even during women’s suffrage, their artwork** was bad; that woman in the postcard illustration either has her upper lip stretched and clamped in the vise, or else she is lacking one.

**or at least some of it

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
3 months ago

[OT] What the hell is going on in Ontario?

Lockdown since Boxing Day — no nonessential businesses open, no in-person schooling — but the numbers just keep climbing. We’re long past the point where very many new cases could have been exposed before the lockdown started. So how ARE they being exposed? If no one is going much of anywhere but pharmacies and grocery stores, have those become major hubs of spread then? That’s a huge problem if so, because I can’t avoid them if I want to not starve!

Fabe
Fabe
3 months ago

@Surplus

Its possible that people gathered with family and friends over holidays in violation of the lockdown and that resulted in more infections.

Last edited 3 months ago by Fabe
Sheila Crosby
Sheila Crosby
3 months ago

@Surplus @Fabe Is it possible that people are taking a long time to get tested, or that the results take a long time to come through?

Full Metal Ox
3 months ago

@Some Chick:

How is it possible to get so much wrong in one post? Migrants take jobs but leech off welfare. Women somehow have no skin in the game of the society in which they live. Apparently lots of people want to f&ck Biden. Seriously. There has to be a word for this condensed, weapons grade level of wrong.

The term you may be looking for is “fractal wrongness”: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fractal_wrongness

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
3 months ago

Trump’s twitter account has been permanently suspended.

https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspension.html

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
3 months ago

So’s Ben Garrison. Such a shame.

Alan Robertshaw
3 months ago

So, Twitter has said this is a personal ban against Trump and they’e looking at what would happen if he tried to use the official White House account.

Also, Apple have given Parler 24 hours to clean their act up, or they’ll disable the app from iPhones.

Naglfar
Naglfar
3 months ago

Does anyone know who hosts Thedonald.win or any other pro Trump sites? Now might be a time when some pressure could have an effect.

Alan Robertshaw
3 months ago

A summary of actions taken by social media companies as of now (Cut and pasted from the Grauniad)

  • Facebook: Has blocked Trump’s account “indefinitely and at least for the next two weeks” until the end of his presidency. It said Friday a permanent ban is “likely but not definite.”
  • Apple: Issued an ultimatum to Parler, a conservative social media platform, that if it does not improve its content moderation policies in the next 24 hours it will be removed from the App store. 
  • Reddit: Removed the subreddit r/DonaldTrump, a community of Trump supporters. It had already removed a more volatile community of Trump supporters under r/the_Donald in June 2020. 
  • TikTok: Has blocked all hashtags associated with the January 6 march, including #stormthecapitol and #patriotparty (Trump does not have his own official TikTok account). 
  • Twitch: For the next two weeks until the end of Trump’s term his channel with be disabled. The company did not say whether it will reinstate it after. 
  • Shopify: Has stopped hosting stores that sell Trump merchandise
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
3 months ago

Saw something yesterday about TheDonald.win – they’re losing their current host. They’ve sadly already set up alternates though.

Alan Robertshaw
3 months ago

Trump just tried to tweet from the official White House account but Twitter took the post down.

GSS ex-noob
GSS ex-noob
3 months ago

I know the RWNJ hate most furrin’ places and talkin’, but there’s a word from a place/time they like that I’ve been using to describe what happened Wednesday:

Putsch.

Would have been nice if the tech platforms had found their metaphorical balls a few months or years ago, but at least it’s something.

@Surplus: Big stupid Christmas/New Year’s gatherings are at just the right time spacing to be producing a bunch of new cases. Add in lag between symptoms, tests, and test results, and you’ve probably got one or two more weeks of a spike as the infections move through the dumbass population. Stay safe.

Naglfar
Naglfar
3 months ago

Right now Twitter is playing whack-a-mole with Trump on various government accounts. So far the Team Trump account, Gary Coby, and a few others have been banned after Trump appears to have used them.

Last edited 3 months ago by Naglfar
Lumipuna
Lumipuna
3 months ago

The official POTUS account seems now “empty” (?) rather than suspended. The last time I checked, it was just selected retweets from realDonaldTrump and some from WhiteHouse. The latter account is still up.

Naglfar
Naglfar
3 months ago

@Lumipuna
My guess is that @POTUS is being kept for archival purposes, so it’s locked rather than suspended.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 months ago

@Simon : I sometime think about making a satirical article called “Sociology : human behavior found to be a statistical artifact” but I fear that it would be too true.

In a sense, that give more weight to the concept of free will, so I am happy with that.

Shane
Shane
2 months ago

Go figure!