Over in the MGTOW subreddit, the regulars recently found themselves debating “Why do women hate when men get with younger *legal aged* chicks so much?” Naturally, the assorted commenters had a lot of very creepy opinions on the subject.
“Seriously, all I see nowadays is men being called predators for dating legal 18 year old girls,” complained the OP, a felllow calling himself outtacontroIl.
Women, simps, and the new generation practically bombard any post about a legal age gap and call the older party a predator. Teenagers are not children, they are adolescents.
He boasted about his own (alleged) experience with some of these “younger *legal age* chicks.”
I’m 31, live in the UK, age of consent is 16. Fucked and dated plenty 16, 17, 18 year old girls. They’re in their sexual and thoughtful prime.
Ew.
A woman my age is not. A woman my age also cannot be taught anything. Men are supposed to teach. I taught those those young women about being feminist indoctrination [sic], the natural roles of men and women, and liberal brainwashing. I gave them some sense of values. Much better than the “I don’t need no man!” 31 year old cat lady.
Only a tiny handful of the commenters had any problem with outtacontroIl dating girls around half his age. As far as the majority of the commenters saw it, the real problem is that older women are jealous of younger women and girls.
“Women hate younger women,” declared someone called MGTOWlF7xEtsJyj.
“[T]here is no way in the seven kingdoms a bitter FDS [Female Dating Strategy subreddit] hag can compete with a hot legal chick in her sexual and unbaggaged prime,” agreed External-Can-7839.
“[T]hose 30+ women blew their window to settle down with a good man who meets their strict standards,” argued MuchIndependence,
and now they’re left facing the reality that they either have to settle for a 30+ man who isn’t good enough to attract younger or a man who does but is older.
shaming is the last ditch effort to try and convince good men that we’re filthy antisocial predators if we date any younger and that of course would mean having to date women our own age.
“Older women know that they can’t compete with young women,” wrote Jaren01.
Also there is nothing worse to a woman than being shamed so they try to do the same thing to men.
Women have no real morals. Justice, fairness, honor, these are concepts that women can never truly understand. Women will say and do anything to gain an advantage in life, anything. They will lie about rape, they will murder their own children and they wont even think they did anything wrong because to a woman the greatest good is whatever is best for her.
Apparently complaining about predatory dating behavior is the moral equivalent of child murder.
So why do men date younger women anyway?
“Because we can,” sneered bjred78.
I never date anyone over 30. Wymin my age are all fat with crotch goblins. Like I told my 42 year old, obese single mother co-worker, I work out, I’m fit, healthy and have money. Why would I or anyone else in my position throw it away to settle with a land whale roastie?
I’ll stick to the 20 year old who buys me stuff and leaves me alone, all I have to do is fuck her once a week.
Others insisted that there weren’t any real differences in maturity between teen girls and adult women anyway, so the accusations of predatory dating were meaningless.
“Women never really mature past a certain stage,” 0signal0 contended.
What for? The are pampered by the world around them,
This is why there are no real differences between a 16-year-old girl and a 30-year-old woman, other than the teenager being more attractive and less damaged.
Others suggested that the maturity cutoff age for women was closer to 14 or 15.
“Women stop maturing mentally near the end of puberty,” argued Jarin01.
For a woman that is around 14 or 15 years old. They might gain more experience after that but they never really mature beyond the mentality of a teenager.
Women become easy to deal with when you realize that you are talking to a child.
In a followup comment he explained the “science” behind this argument.
A man’s brain is larger and has more grey matter. A woman’s brain is pretty much fully developed by the end of puberty, around 14-16. A man’s on the other hand is still developing until around 25.
No, the brains of men, women and nonbinary folks are all still developing until the age of 25.
It’s very difficult to find scientific studies about this because it wouldn’t be politically correct to say there are physical differences between men and women’s brains. If you Google it everything you find will just say that “kids” brains can take until they are 25 to fully develop. They are very careful to not mention any difference between if those kids are male or female.
But I have been able to find some papers that show that most of the brain development takes place during puberty so it would make sense that if girls start puberty earlier and finish earlier than boys that their brains would fully develop earlier too. So by the time her brain is fully developed she is still only about 14 or 15 years old. Which is exactly how most women act, like they are still 14 or 15 years old.
It’s all very scientific, you see, according to the prestigious Journal of Some Papers I Once Saw.
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30 years old men who behave like boys and think only about their personnal pleasure say that adult women are just like teens and are immature selfish creatures that only think about themselves and sexual gratification because they have been pampered by society. Plus older women are gross because they have highg standards and responsabilities like children…
Is it me or ae MGTOW are so intensily projecting that at that point I think we need a stronger word for it like “solipsist angst” (hating yourself by hating others) or something like that.
I swear, MGTOW are just incels that don’t want to call themselves incels and their all pedophiles
Really? That’s all you see? That makes me very suspicious and confused.
Oh dear. I would imagine he’s making this up for bravado, but in the event that he’s telling the truth, that is supremely creepy. If a 31 year old man is exclusively dating teenage girls, I can guarantee that he’s taking advantage of them. There’s usually a reason men like this can’t get women their own age.
Ok, this guy is definitely an abuser taking advantage of teen girls. And this behavior is a consequence of the manosphere in the real world.
Or you could, you know, go your own way and not date women. That’s probably best for you and the local ladies. Aren’t you supposed to be doing that anyway?
Fixed that for you.
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I know that I’ve matured and changed significantly since I was 14 years old. I’d imagine the same is true for most people. I’d like to think I’ve improved since then.
Wouldn’t this imply that women are more mature than men and should be trusted younger or given more advanced instruction? There’s no misandrist quite like a misogynist.
But who could be doing this? An evil feminist conspiracy?
Were these papers published in the Journal of Your Asshole?
It’s interesting he mentions FDS. For those who don’t know, it’s basically The Red Pill/Pick Up Artist stuff, but repurposed for women to use to get dates. As a result, it’s heavily based on stereotypes of men and women and they have a lot in common with red pillers. It also had a lot of overlap in users with r/GenderCritical before that one was banned, which gives a sense of the kinds of people who used it. Presumably red pillers don’t like it because they don’t like having a taste of their own medicine.
@epronovost
There’s definitely a ton of projection to unravel. I’m not sure if we need a new term, though, I think “projection” covers it still.
So, if dating girls half his age was so great, why and how did these relationships end?
I know for sure my brain has developed a lot since I was 14 or 15. Of course, I’m an invisible person to miggiez like this (hooray for that). I’m comfortably middle-aged. And despite this mig’s huge confidence in his research, “I saw a paper once” doesn’t cut it as a source to prove a point. The fact he can’t find anything to prove his assertion about cis female brains doesn’t make him look good, either.
No wonder Parliament opens its sessions with “God Save The Queen”.
I can think of at least two dozen women well past this guy’s age who are far more capable of learning than he is. His education seems to have stopped roughly around the age of 13.
Well, he certainly picked the perfect user ID. He is, indeed, outta control.
This from a guy who’s promoting what amounts to child rape.
MGTOWs are projecting so hart we could use them for lighthouses.
When I was ~14 I was in the middle of a depressive episode and didn’t care about anything.
I’m pretty sure the MGTOW definition of ‘obese’ is actually ‘not underweight’.
And the real reason those asshats (hope fully claim to) only date teens?
Adult women can see through their bullshit and can tell that they are shit in bed and aren’t as easily manipulated.
1. Age of consent is about minors being able to consent with other minors, not adults.
2. You go for young girls because they’re easier to manipulate to your liking.
3. The reason those “science papers” aren’t coming up in search results is because it’s either not peer reviewed facts or it’s what science USED to believe before they did more research and figured out they were wrong.
Okay, outtacontroll, you’re living up to your nym.
A guy named outtacontroll obviously needs to bed women in their sexual prime. But thoughtful prime — that’s a thing? And that’s what you looking for?
What happened to their thoughtfulness? And now they can’t even be taught anything? (By you, presumably?) Is this some kind of Alzheimer’s that strikes women in their twenties?
Says who? Teach what? To whom?
So the natural role of a man is to have sex with a cast of young women — certainly not women his own age — and the natural role of a young woman is to accommodate his wishes. Also, the role of a man is to teach teenage girls that they are second-rate people who need to make liberals cry and stuff.
Those values being that men need sex from many, many much younger women. And that men need young women to take them seriously when the men pontificate about things alt-right.
I guess if that 31-year-old cat lady does need a man she’s out of luck, because she’s way too old for you.
Translation: Once they reach thirty, they’re wise to all my tricks and I can’t bullshit them anymore. They start having /shudder/ opinions of their own!
This seems like the crowd who chants ‘I’m not a pedophile, it’s called an ephebophile!’ as if that is a defense.
Gross.
They can’t cope with the fact that to most 15-year-olds, a 30-year-old is not so much sophisticated-worldly-suave as eeew-gross-ancient-yeucchh.
Which is of course why they target the most vulnerable and insecure teenagers, who have been taught to doubt their own judgement or that their own needs don’t matter.
Main difference between a 16 year old and a 30 year old is a 16 year old often has a very, very pissed off and violent father around somewhere.
Yeah, one of these scum tried it on with number 5 when she were 15 and he were in his 20s. It didn’t end well.
Wait, if teenage girls stop maturing at 14-15 and are malleable and teachable, wouldn’t they be exactly the same at 31, with brains that are still malleable and teachable? If they don’t mature, how do they transform into self-assured women who no longer put up with bullsh…er, “bitter cat ladies who don’t need no man”? What exactly is the difference between ”gaining more experience” and maturing?
Speaking of which, nothing says maturity like referring to kids as “crotch goblins”. You can just feel the wisdom and gravitas radiating from these old souls.
@Naglfar
”Projectile” comes to mind.
@Buttercup
Nothing says maturity like MGTOW in general. It’s all stomping one’s feet, blathering about how awful women are and how you’ll go your own way, and then never doing it. I really don’t think MGTOWs mature past the mindset of teenagers.
It always amaze me how MGTOW talk about how much they want to fuck kids that barely started puberty and then wonder why people get nervous about them talking about wanting to brain wash 12- 15 year old boys to be like them. Cause y’all already outed yourself as a pedophile that’s why mgtow.
@Naglfar
At its core, MGTOW is arrested development. It’s perpetual 13 year olds shouting “You can’t make me clean up my room, Mom!” (or eat my vegetables, take my diarrhea medicine, whatever). Which is why I laugh heartily when they go on about self improvement. Anything that makes you a better person, they automatically reject as feminine.
@ Lainy
Yeah, there’s an eerie parallel in their wanting to groom young girls and recruit young boys. They’re trying so hard to normalize pedophilia.
I really don’t understand why MGTOWs think women are “pampered by society.”
@buttercup
It’s always disturbing to think about.
“I’ll stick to the 20 year old who buys me stuff and leaves me alone, all I have to do is fuck her once a week.”
We totally believe you sir.
And then
Hey, that’s neat how you answered your own question.
Also, hey, maybe the “adolescent girls’ brains are indistinguishable from adult women’s brains” dudes should chat with the “I deliberately target teenagers because they are easy to manipulate and women my age are not” dude who started the thread so they can get their stories straight.
It feels a bit hypocritical to talk about relationships with large age gaps without acknowledging my own relationship meets that definition. My husband is 14 years older than me, and we met when I was 22. I will just say that while I am glad I met someone kind and wonderful, I would caution any young woman against dating a man in his 30s since the majority of those men who are seeking out younger women are doing it for the same reason as outtacontroIl up there: because they want to be with someone easier to manipulate and control than a woman their own age. And while my husband is one of the best people I have ever met, I don’t know what would have happened if I had agreed to date him and then he ended up being a manipulator. Would I have been able to recognize warning signs and bail at 22, when I’d only had two prior adult relationships? I’m not sure I would have.
I could talk a lot more about some of the work we did to navigate the power differentials between us when we first started dating, but that’s long and boring, so I’ll just conclude by pointing out that my husband has the strongest case of babyface I’ve ever witnessed. He looked 8-10 years younger than his actual age when we met. If he didn’t, I would not have been interested. For all that manospherians believe that they age like fine wine, most 20-year-olds are not physically attracted to most 35-year-olds. It’s just not a thing.
It’s projection. They claim that women are jealous teen girls, but grown men made fun of teen idols like Justin Bieber and N Sync and called them gay. They also say that K Pop singers are effeminate and make fun of teen girls for liking them. They don’t understand that young girls don’t like middle-aged pickup artists. They like young, sensitive men! :p
Their theories are also disproven by many couples, including celebrities – Gerard Pique, Jason Momoa, Chris Hemsworth, Ryan Gosling, Hugh Jackman, Joe Manganiello, Sergio Ramos, Zlatan Ibrahimovic, and many other athletic, attractive, and rich men married older women and had even children with them when they could have gone for jail bait.
@Viscaria
tbh it can be really hard to determine someone’s age a lot of the time just by looking at them. There is a kid I work with at my second job at a restaurant who looks like he should be in his mid 20’s, he’s 17. Kid also been smoking like a chimney for the last 3 years so that might have something to do with that as well. My husband is 6 months younger then I am but he looks like he should be much older. like 25 at least, while I still get mistaken for a 16 year old a lot of the time.
There are also people out there that are just really bad at telling peoples ages. I have to friends that have been together for 10 years now. they met when they were 18 and 22, so the oldest is only 4 years older and they didn’t start dating until the youngest was 19. We have a running joke of calling the oldest a cradle robber. well they went to a bar a couple years ago and the guy looks at my friend Phil and goes ” what can I get you and your son”. The youngest also had a really bad baby face so I can give him that but I don’t think it’s that dramatic.