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Are Central American farm workers the ultimate MGTOW dream girls?

There’s really nothing too stupid to get upvotes on the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit. Consider this weird little paean to the glory of properly submissive Central American and Southeast Asian farm girls.

Percentage of Women as children, their two sources for survival and the inverse relationship between the two sources. (self.MGTOW)

submitted 11 days ago by ronnieonlyknowsmgtow

I believe 60% of women are capped out at children level capacity in terms of surviving on their own in a capitalist society. The two sources of extraction to ensure survival in said system is the brainwashed hero male provider or the government. The more a govt ensures survival for the woman child the less submissive or obedient she will be to men. (Perfect example USA) The less a govt protects the woman child the more submissive and obedient she will be to her only choice for survival, the sacrificial man. An example of this being Central America and South East Asia. Which is where men with wealth go to enjoy a reasonable exchange. I will add that even in the cities in 3rd world countries, most women are ruined. You must go the the farm lands where women still have no contact and generations of previous men have trained and domesticated the woman child accordingly.

Yeah, good luck with that, dude. You’re living in a fantasy land.

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epronovost
epronovost
4 years ago

The only problem for men like these is that them searching a woman that will be obediant and faithful in exchange of being basically provided for and for her children is that they will expect their men to work and work hard at that to provide generously for them and frankly MGTOW simply don’t look like the kind of men who can work hard enough to support a familly properly all the while fulfilling their husband and father duties. If they were in such arrangement, I bet they would piss and whine about their wives nagging them all the time, being constrantly stressed and exhausted by work and havin to deal with kids and all the responsability and work they demand even for a largely absent father. Frankly, considering their type of personnality, I’m suprised they aren’t advocating for finding themselves nice and rich “sugar mommies” who would pay them games, vacations and housing in exchange of looking hot.

an autistic giraffe
an autistic giraffe
4 years ago

It would be funny to watch this asshole get a rude awakening trying this.

an autistic giraffe
an autistic giraffe
4 years ago

OT but remember that Incel who killed a bunch of people in Canada back in 2018? Well his lawyer is now saying that he couldn’t tell right from wrong because he has autism. https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7aw3m/toronto-van-attack-incel-alek-minassian-autism-defence

I really can’t overstate how angry that makes me. I’m perfectly capable of telling right from wrong. Everyone on the spectrum I’ve ever met can tell right from wrong. Just fuck you lawyer.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 years ago

Those were all words, I guess.
Anyway, I hope he leaves farmworkers alone. And women in general.

@an autistic giraffe
I saw that and I feel the same anger. This is going to lead to a whole new wave of demonizing us in the media in response.

tim gueguen
4 years ago

This seems like a good place post that Fred Sasakamoose,, one of the first Indigenous Canadians to play in the NHL, has died of COVID 19 at 86.
Indigenous NHL pioneer Fred Sasakamoose dead at 86 | CBC News

In other bad news Jordan Peterson will be having a new book come out early next year. A number of employees at Penguin Random House Canada are not happy with this.
Penguin Random House Staff Confront Publisher About New Jordan Peterson Book – VICE

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 years ago

@tim gueguen
I assume this new book will include additional rules like “eat nothing but beef,” “avoid apple cider,” and “go into a coma in Russia.”

calmdown
calmdown
4 years ago

These guys probably read an article about all the exploited workers in the palm oil farms and their takeaway was that they’d be great wives. Good workers, isolated (so they can’t escape.) and you can assault and abuse her and it’ll get covered up. Basically they want a slave.

Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
Kat, ambassador, feminist revolution (in exile)
4 years ago

[M]ost women are ruined . . .

… by the opportunity to live their lives without a guy using them as a blow-up doll, taking their money, separating them from friends and family, insisting that his word is law, criticizing their looks and weight, beating them and their children, and attempting to shred their self-confidence.

I fail to see any downside to this ruination.

Lainy
Lainy
4 years ago

What I’ve really learned from these assholes is that most people don’t actually like following their “traditional gender role” women don’t like being completely submissive relying on men, and men don’t like to do the intense hard work and responsibility of being the one who is responsible for another adults and children survival. Most people actually preferer the way things are now. Where both adults are responsible for themselves and then they share that responsibility for any children they have together.

Battering Lamb
Battering Lamb
4 years ago

@Tim Guegen: Apparently Peterson is still quite lucrative. I expect him to be dropped (citing the concerns brought up in a show of ‘allyship’) if he ceases to be lucrative. Ugh.

Lucrece
Lucrece
4 years ago

There. Is. Not. Enough. Brain. Bleach. For. This. Shit.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
4 years ago

OK, I have pretty much had it with this problem and I have the distinct feeling that people here are deliberately dodging this question. I will ask it again and I want an answer:

How do I avoid getting systematically screwed out of 5% or so of what I earn with my effort and skill at a task? If I am good enough to succeed at a task and I put in a determined effort in a particular instance at that task I am owed success in that particular instance, and should get it, and whatever the fruits of that success are supposed to be, 100% of the time. How do I ensure this? In effect, how do I hold the universe itself to its contracts with me?

Nobody else seems to have any issue with this. Nobody else even talks about it. They are just quietly competent, or incompetent, at various tasks, according to their individual natures. But when I do a thing, sometimes I am randomly punished with failure despite having done everything correctly and despite having demonstrated, in the past, the requisite skill. As far as I can tell the universe sometimes runs its “you half-assed it, so the results are a crapshoot” script even on occasions when I did not half-ass it. What would cause this error, or maybe bias is a more appropriate word, since it doesn’t seem to do this to anybody else?

Is there some error I could be making in the meta-game that would result in this? I.e., I have the requisite skills and knowledge for the specific task I’m doing but there’s some wider-context thing I’m not doing that I need to be doing. I expect that in social situations where there always seem to be palms that need greasing and other such stuff and NO goddamn documentation of any of it, but whatever-this-is affects things that are done solitary, involving only machines or inanimate things and myself, not other people, so it’s not that. These are things that should by their physical nature operate consistently and impartially according to exact and quantifiable rules, yet they don’t, if I’m the one interacting with them. At least, not all of the time. Think: a patch of floor that’s slippery for me and grips normally for everyone else, or a tool that works according to its specifications for other users but not me. Game characters with numerically specified power levels behaving as if their stats are 10% lower when I’m the one playing. Anything with a random component exhibiting loaded dice, with adverse outcomes more frequent for me than for other people and beneficial outcomes less frequent. But even things that should be exact and predictable pretending that I made errors that I never made. Even as simple a thing as sending a text message. I’ll sometimes see spelling errors in the message after it’s sent, even though I did not make any, and I know exactly how every word in it is to be spelled — the machine pretty much explicitly lying about me and claiming that my knowledge of even such basic things is less than it actually is, and in that particular kind of case, lying about me in the presence of witnesses. There should be no random element at all in typing in a message, and yet there it is, that 5% or so mystery error that cannot possibly be mine (since I’m competent enough at the task in question not to make any) and equally cannot possibly be legitimately from the system (which should be mechanically precise and exact, with no randomness, and is a digital channel, so noise cannot introduce errors at all up to a threshold, and should cause it to disconnect entirely past that same threshold).

Why does this happen? Where is that 5% error rate creeping in from? It seems to exist “in the gaps”, finding purchase anywhere where there is randomness (by loading the dice) and when there isn’t, worming its way into a system boundary somewhere. Between my fingers and a keyboard, between two machines on a network, between a tool and the object being worked. Like everything directly or indirectly connected to a thing becomes just slightly misaligned, as soon as I come anywhere near it.

More significantly: How do I get rid of it? What must I do so that the results always exactly match my actual performance, skill-and-effort-wise, or (in contexts involving randomness) average out to the same, and not a whit less?

Or is the world irreperably flawed, and I’m the only one in it who’s actually good enough at some things that I’m better than the world itself in those tasks, so that this noise source is affecting everyone, but no one else is good enough at any task to be certain that it’s external? This, I find more dubious. Surely Olympic athletes are better at what they do than I am at most things, for instance, and equally surely, no native English speaker is uncertain as to how to spell the word “into” and sometimes thinks it should be capital-I-space-tee-oh. (Noting here that it is simply not possible to accidentally get a capital letter by miskeying four letters none of which are closer to either shift key than four intervening key-caps. So the user would have to have intentionally shifted a letter, meaning they hold a wrong belief no native English speaking adult would hold … or else the “devil of the gaps” is the source of the error, not the user.)

No, if this affected everyone other people would be complaining about it and there’d be some kind of organized effort to do something about it. The extremely skilled, top-flight pros at various things would notice it impacting their performance. It’d be a well known phenomenon among pro athletes, for instance, discussed in their circles and with some known way to avoid it. It would also affect ordinary people at tasks that have a low ceiling, such as typing English prose into little boxes, which would make it noticeable to everyone else. So either it is singling me out, or at most some small minority of people … or it is something that everyone else encounters, and is taught the solution to, in childhood, but my abnormal childhood resulted in my being overlooked in this regard (along with, again, likely some small minority of other people).

Since this is a forum full of marginalized people, a lot of whom have had atypical upbringings or even specifically were non-neurotypical and got non-standard schooling and suchlike, there’s bound to be someone else in that small minority here, which is why I am asking here. Does anyone else here get this “missing 5% of performance” bullcrap? And if so, does anyone else here know what, presumably, every schoolchild with a normal upbringing knows about how to get that last 5% of what their skill and efforts have earned them, while also knowing which exact thing I am asking about?

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
4 years ago

@autistic giraffe, naglfar

Re: autism-as-psychopathy killer defense: Do… any people believe that? Like… it’s very untrue on the face of it, how will the media be able to say that’s true under journalistic standards? It’s literally a defining characteristic of an entirely different condition (psychopathy) and has nothing to do with autism, I don’t get how it can possibly be spun as a defense.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
4 years ago

I strongly hope that that Minassian defense gets laughed right out of court. A resounding “guilty” verdict would go a long way toward discrediting it, one hopes.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 years ago

@Big Titty Denon

Do… any people believe that? Like… it’s very untrue on the face of it, how will the media be able to say that’s true under journalistic standards? It’s literally a defining characteristic of an entirely different condition (psychopathy) and has nothing to do with autism, I don’t get how it can possibly be spun as a defense.

Unfortunately, something I’m very used to is the media making up totally false stuff about autism and people believing it. Most people don’t know much about it, and only know what they’ve seen in media, so they don’t know any better. It is irresponsible, but common.

Moggie
Moggie
4 years ago

her only choice for survival, the sacrificial man.

It’s a shame that there are not more active volcanoes in the continental USA. No woman should need to drive for more than an hour to sacrifice her man.

Wait, Peterson’s new book is called “Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life”? He told us there were only 12 rules, not 24! This is bullshit!

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 years ago

@Moggie
If you can’t find a volcano, maybe making a giant baking soda and vinegar one is an acceptable substitute?

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
4 years ago

@Moggie

It’s a shame that there are not more active volcanoes in the continental USA.

Eh, just use the steelworks that Terminator has assured me is in the heart of every major American city. Vulcan is quite happy with sacrifices at the forge.

Side note: Did you ever get that power box you were making faced and installed in your Moggie? We were talking on it a few months back.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
4 years ago

I have questions.

1.Does he think he can just waltz into one of these Central American farms, wave around some dollar bills, point at a teenaged worker, and be allowed to take her away? The jefe, and her extended family and village, are going to have other ideas.

2.Does he imagine these female farm workers are going to be conventionally hot and fertile enough for him, after a lifetime of stooping over working 12 hour days in the hot sun with inadequate food and water and sanitation, while being exposed to pesticides and spider bites and unsafe equipment and who knows what else?

3.Most of these women are forced by circumstance to grow up quickly. They’ve known more adversity and hard labor by the age 12 than this soft-shelled keyboard jockey will ever see in a lifetime. Where does he get off calling them “woman child”?

4.Why does he want to be a “brainwashed hero male provider” and “sacrificial man”, anyway? In his first paragraph he acts like that’s a bad thing to aspire to. Then he proceeds to give instructions on how to become one.

I guess in the mind of a great white savior, slaveowners are the real victims. Women are supposed to be grateful for the many, many sacrifices her owner made to “rescue” her and keep her alive. He’ll start whining about having to do things and take care of her, and grumbling about her being “needy”. How dare she ask him for anything, when she owes him her very existence?

These guys are worse than transactional. They want to make deals and then weasel out of their end of the bargain. It’s amazing how allergic they are to even the smallest whiff of responsibility, least they be seen as weak and beta (wait, who’s the child in this scenario, again?)

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
4 years ago

Re: Peterson

I assume this new book will include additional rules like “eat nothing but beef,” “avoid apple cider,” and “go into a coma in Russia.”

12 Rules for Haggard Survival

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
4 years ago

They want to make deals and then weasel out of their end of the bargain. It’s amazing how allergic they are to even the smallest whiff of responsibility, least they be seen as weak and beta (wait, who’s the child in this scenario, again?)

None of this is a surprise when you consider whom they chose to be their standard bearer, and presumably role model, back in 2016 over more “serious” patriarch family-provider conservatives like Rubio, Cruz, and Kasich …

Moggie
Moggie
4 years ago

@Threp:

Side note: Did you ever get that power box you were making faced and installed in your Moggie? We were talking on it a few months back.

Sigh. You know, I don’t think I’ve completed a single project since the pandemic arrived. It’s like 2020 has caused a mental fog which has robbed me of the ability to finish stuff. Fortunately I retired in January, so at least I don’t have a job to mess up.

And look what arrived in today’s post. Another thing which is probably doomed to remain half-built until my brain reboots in the spring.

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
4 years ago

stares at the title and sighs

I can’t even with this. “Their own way” is out into the boondocks of complete sociopathy, I guess.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 years ago

Weird how misogynist men all think that women are equivalent to children, and yet women are properly the party to raise children, including the male children that these men seem to think are the only real humans in the group. Why would you require a being that you don’t think is fully human to raise your sons?

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
4 years ago

@Moggie

That looks fun, not seen a PDP-11 in the wild since forever! 🙂

Hear you on the motivation thing – taken me 10 months to sort out getting the roof re-flashed. Loft were starting to get a touch damp in spots.