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Incels wonder: “Is it even possible for females to have low self-esteem?”

Impossible scenario, according to incels

Incels feel so little empathy for women and girls that they simply refuse to believe that they could ever feel bad about themselves.

Over on the Incels.co forums, one unempathetic fellow called MaxZM98 wonders aloud if it’s “even possible for females to have a low self-esteem in 2020?” Naturally, he answers his own question with an emphatic “no.”

I’ve been wondering, is this even possible? since women are pedestalised and treated like queens even if they aren’t good looking, how can they not have an inflated ego?

I like how he assumes that only hot women deserve to feel good about themselves.

they may have their confidence reduced if chad insults them, and they could have a low self-esteem compared to other females, but they would still reject their looksmatch because they believe they are ‘above’ him and he is not worthy.

There’s no law saying that women (or men) are required to date their “looksmatches.” This is just an incel fixation.

all the positive reinforcement from society throughout their lives makes it impossible for them to think badly about themselves, at least to the extent that men do.

[Citation needed]

perhaps if she is obese and disfigured, and has been abused throughout her childhood…but that’s like 0.5% of the female population and even then she’d probably get hit up by desperate guys giving her validation.

Being “hit on by desperate guys” is not necessarily the fun ego-boost that incels assume it is. (Seriously, incels, spend an hour or two in the CreepyPMs subreddit and tell me again how much fun it is to get sleazy come-ons from horny weirdos.)

Of course, Max’s colleagues on Incels.co agree with him.

The only women with low self-esteem, one writes, are those with

[S]evere mental issues (like autism, BDD, BPD, etc.) or extreme ugliness/disabilities/chronic illnesses. Otherwise it’s (nearly) impossible, maybe after chad rejects her for a few moments sadness/doubt, but otherwise the positive reinforcement is too much. And even when they have severe issues they still live a dozen times better than their male counterparts or most males tbh. Mental illnesses and physical disabilities reduce the dating pool for women, but they aren’t fully excluded unlike their male counterparts.

Another adds that

Even the ugliest of women gets constant validation through social media 24/7. You’re average foid probably gets more validation per minute than we’ll get in our entire lifetime

Weird creepy messages from total strangers aren’t “validation.”

Trust me, incels, you don’t have a monopoly on feeling shitty about yourselves; the fact that you think you do is a large part why no one wants to get with you. Try a little empathy.

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Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
5 days ago

Incels: they really, actually couldn’t organize a fuck in a brothel.

Fenwick
Fenwick
4 days ago

@Naglfar
Well I already live a much worse life than the one you’d have under a sexist government.

Why can’t women be satisfied in a gov where they’re banned from sex and have no repro rights?
I mean you’re asking me to be satisfied with a life of inceldom and loneliness so idk

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 days ago

@Fenwick

Well I already live a much worse life than the one you’d have under a sexist government.

1. I already live under a sexist government. I want less of it, not more.
2. Have you been raped? Killed? That’s what you incels advocate for women.

Why can’t women be satisfied in a gov where they’re banned from sex and have no repro rights?

“Why do those stuck-up bitches demand human rights? Why can’t they just be my sex slaves?”

I mean you’re asking me to be satisfied with a life of inceldom and loneliness so idk

I didn’t ask you anything. You’ve chosen to be unhappy. There are plenty of people who don’t have sex but aren’t incels, because they realize that there are more things in life than sex. You’re failing to do this, so you’ve made yourself feel this way. I have no sympathy.

Last edited 4 days ago by Naglfar
Fenwick
Fenwick
4 days ago

@Naglfar
If there’s more to life than sex then women shouldn’t care about abortion rights.
Just abstain instead, like lainy and the rest of the woman respecting virgins on here are already forced to anyway.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 days ago

@Fenwick

If there’s more to life than sex then women shouldn’t care about abortion rights.

Do you…do you think abortion is a kind of sex? Abortion is different than sex.

Just abstain instead, like lainy and the rest of the woman respecting virgins on here are already forced to anyway.

1. Lainy’s married and isn’t a virgin.
2. Most people here probably aren’t virgins.
3. Once again, abortion is not a kind of sex so idk what that has to do with my argument.

Fenwick
Fenwick
4 days ago

@Naglfar
Well there’s a 40 yo virgin commenter on the first page, idk if it’s lainy or whoever.

Anyway the average straight guy on here is very likely a virgin, the few who do get laid are prolly balding losers all the same.

Sexhaving chads definitely don’t spend their lives tracking and mocking misogyny online. This is an incel in denial hobby.

Most abortions are done for pregnancies out of consensual recreational sex.
Women wouldn’t get to have as much carefree sex if abortion was banned.
You should be happy with this ofc cuz sex isn’t everything after all

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 days ago

@Fenwick

Well there’s a 40 yo virgin commenter on the first page, idk if it’s lainy or whoever.

That would be Paireon. Lainy’s a woman, not straight, and younger.

Anyway the average straight guy on here is very likely a virgin, the few who do get laid are prolly balding losers all the same.

[Citation needed]

Sexhaving chads definitely don’t spend their lives tracking and mocking misogyny online.

Since Chad isn’t a real person, that’s technically correct. Fictional characters don’t typically visit blogs. Chad is someone you made up to be angry at, not a real guy.

Most abortions are done for pregnancies out of consensual recreational sex.

And?

Women wouldn’t get to have as much carefree sex if abortion was banned.

That doesn’t bear out in reality. When abortion is banned, it doesn’t decrease the amount of abortions, it just makes people turn to less safe ways.

You should be happy with this ofc cuz sex isn’t everything after all

Still a non sequitur.

Out of curiosity, why are you so obsessed with abortion anyway? You don’t have a dog in this fight, it doesn’t affect you at all if someone gets an abortion. Why do you care?

Last edited 4 days ago by Naglfar
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
4 days ago

Why can’t women be satisfied in a gov where they’re banned from sex and have no repro rights?

I mean you’re asking me to be satisfied with a life of inceldom and loneliness so idk

There’s actually a difference between the government removing your bodily autonomy and you not being able to get a date.

If you want to make an incel equivalency to outlawing abortion and restricting access to birth control, it’s not “some men can’t find a partner.” It would be more along the lines of forced sterilization for men with small wrist circumference or refusal to provide reproductive health care for men with non-Chadlike canthal tilt. But that’s not happening. It’s not being proposed. It never will happen.

Quit trying to conflate lack of human rights with lack of satisfaction with your personal life. This kind of self absorption and entitlement is why no one likes incels. Nothing to do with your looks.

Also, you can fuck off with your assertions that your life is worse than anyone else’s. You don’t know any of our lives.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 days ago

@WWTH

Also, you can fuck off with your assertions that your life is worse than anyone else’s. You don’t know any of our lives.

If his life is worse, it’s because he’s made it so. He chooses to stew in his misogyny and self-loathing.

Fenwick
Fenwick
4 days ago

@Naglfar
Daves pics are a good citation, no hate but he’s ugly.

There’s definitely some women out there getting slippery wet for his long history of respecting them on the internet, but idk if it’s a majority.

I’m against abortion cuz women aren’t making it any easier for me to have sex, so if an abortion ban makes sex more risky for them, so be it.

A better question would be why all the no lifer dicklet virgins here support abortion so hard? They have no more of a dog in it than me.

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
4 days ago

I think Fenwick has done a pretty good job of summing up why he has no sex or love or companionship in his life: curiously, people who are vindictive, spiteful, small-minded, entitled and whose only pleasure appears to be fantasising about cruelty are actually less pleasant to be around or interact with on any level. Who knew?

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 days ago

At least Fenwick is being straight about his abhorrent personality and repulsive beliefs. Normally incels outside their safe spaces pretend to be pathetic sad sacks whom nobody loves for no fair reason. Fenwick is putting the very fair reasons why people avoid incels right out in the open.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 days ago

@Fenwick

Daves pics are a good citation, no hate but he’s ugly.

Regardless of what you think of his appearance that doesn’t prove anything about his sex life.

There’s definitely some women out there getting slippery wet for his long history of respecting them on the internet, but idk if it’s a majority.

Do you ever think David might have other things he does in his life other than the blog? Not everyone spends all day every day online. Or that not everything is done with the goal of having sex?

I’m against abortion cuz women aren’t making it any easier for me to have sex, so if an abortion ban makes sex more risky for them, so be it.

So your solution to not having sex is make other people have less sex? That won’t make more people have sex with you, in case you’re wondering. But if it tickles your fancy, I invite you to move to a country like Malta or the Dominican Republic where abortion is banned completely.

A better question would be why all the no lifer dicklet virgins here support abortion so hard? They have no more of a dog in it than me.

Maybe because other people realize that supporting someone else’s human rights like that doesn’t take anything from them? Not everyone is as self centered and angry as you, boy.

While we have you here, though, if you wouldn’t mind answering a few questions:
1. What do you think of Biden’s victory in the 2020 election?
2. Have you ever tried not being bitter and angry?

Last edited 4 days ago by Naglfar
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
4 days ago

I’m against abortion cuz women aren’t making it any easier for me to have sex, so if an abortion ban makes sex more risky for them, so be it.

It’s a complete mystery why no one wants to have sex with Fenwick!

Anyway, I might regret asking this, but what exactly does women making it easier for you to have sex entail? If you had the ability to personally hold our bodily autonomy hostage, what is the ransom?

Fenwick
Fenwick
4 days ago

@ Naglfar
Respecting women is a full time hobby, so idk if dave and the rest here can do much else.

Anyway not like he’s gonna be doing anything chaddish. Prob will do some incel hobby, like reading or going to cheese tastings.

Abortion wouldn’t be needed if people didn’t have sex, and sex isn’t a human right ofc, so neither is abortion.

Idc about biden or trump

@ weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

l? what is the ransom?

Sexx

Last edited 4 days ago by Fenwick
Naglfar
Naglfar
4 days ago

@Fenwick

Respecting women is a full time hobby, so idk if dave and the rest here can do much else.

I can’t tell if that was a failed attempt at humor or if you actually believe that.

Anyway not like he’s gonna be doing anything chaddish. Prob will do some incel hobby, like reading or going to cheese tastings.

I very much doubt many incels are reading or going to cheese tastings. If that was what you did, you’d probably be less bitter and angry.

Abortion wouldn’t be needed if people didn’t have sex, and sex isn’t a human right ofc, so neither is abortion.

You still fail to see the difference between sex and abortion. Sex isn’t a human right because you aren’t entitled to anyone else’s body. Abortion is about one’s own body and exercising autonomy over it. They’re different.
I would ask about whether you think abortion should be allowed for people who got pregnant by rape, but I know you’ll jump in with some rape apologia.

Out of curiosity, what would women get out of your deal? Say hypothetically women made it easier for you to have sex (whatever that means), what would we get in return?

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
4 days ago

 what is the ransom?

Sexx

How would that work precisely? How many women would have to have sex with you? Which women? Under what circumstances? Do we have to scour the earth to find a woman who wants to have sex with you? Or do you expect us to allow you to rape a woman of your choosing? Incels just seem to have never thought through how they want their ideal world to look. Almost like it’s not sex you want (because if you put in a little effort, you probably could just find a consenting partner) but the goal is in fact, hurting women and you’re just using your lack of a sex life as an excuse.

And LOL at calling reading and cheese tastings incel hobbies. I thought all women were gold diggers. Now all of a sudden women don’t like men who have posh hobbies?

Honestly, a guy who’s pro-feminist, likes to read and likes to eat fancy cheeses sounds pretty hot. I don’t think I’m the only woman who’d say so!

Last edited 4 days ago by weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
Fenwick
Fenwick
4 days ago

@Naglfar
You’d prolly get to earn what you already have, nothing else. We support you having sex, you include us in the fun.

Most guys who support a woman’s freedom to enjoy limitless sex are lisping virgin losers themselves after all, it’s only fair they get included.

I mean respecting women can definitely be fulfilling on its own, esp for dave and all the 40 yo virgin non incels here. But most men want something in return

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 days ago

@Fenwick

You’d prolly get to earn what you already have, nothing else.

So I don’t get anything out of this? This is a shitty bargain.

We support you having sex, you include us in the fun.

You just said you wanted women to not have sex, so you clearly don’t support that. If your support for women depends on whether we have sex with you, it isn’t support.

Most guys who support a woman’s freedom to enjoy limitless sex are lisping virgin losers themselves after all, it’s only fair they get included.

I’d much rather sleep with someone who supports my rights over an incel, regardless of whether they are a virgin or have a lisp. Your problem isn’t that you’re a virgin, it’s that you’re a misogynist.

End result: no deal

@WWTH

Honestly, a guy who’s pro-feminist, likes to read and likes to eat fancy cheeses sounds pretty hot. I don’t think I’m the only woman who’d say so!

You’re not the only one. I like cheese and books and would be glad to have a partner who also does.

Last edited 4 days ago by Naglfar
Alan Robertshaw
4 days ago

@ naglfar

I like cheese and books

Knock yourself out!

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Lainy
Lainy
4 days ago

@Fenwick

Wow your whiny little shit. oh no, no one let your dick get wet, how sad.

Lainy
Lainy
4 days ago

@Fenwick

No I’m not a virgin, I’m married and trying to have a baby. I fuck almost everyday when my husband is home. We just bought a sex toy to stimulate sex through long distance. your just a sad little creep who can’t read apparently. I’m not one of you and sex for me is really great with the man I love and the other partners we have join in sometimes.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 days ago

@Alan Robertshaw
Nice. I’ve never seen cheese in book form before.

Lainy
Lainy
4 days ago

Not cheese tasting but my husband and i once went to a wine tasting thing and he discovered how easily honey mead wines can get you drunk without noticing how much you’ve really drank. We’re both light weights so trying to get back to the hotel was fun. But we made it and then i ordered us so many doughnuts through grub hub because when i drink i just want dangerous amount of fried dough and sugar.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
4 days ago

There’s a wine bar in my city that sadly, due to Covid I haven’t been to since last summer. It has all kinds of wine flights, including a sparkling wine flight. It’s so delightful. They also have cheese platters. I can’t wait to go back there. I had so much fun with two BFFs last time we went. Although we ended up spending too much money!

Lainy
Lainy
4 days ago

@Wwth

Yes! it’s so easy to end up doing that. When I turned legal to drink my sister in law and I would go wine tasting together. My bank ended up calling me to make sure my card hadn’t been stolen because of unusual activity.

Fenwick
Fenwick
4 days ago

@Naglfar
Well you’re in luck cuz this place is full of balding virgins who track misogyny for fun, just your type I guess.

@Lainy
You=dying a virgin 100%
Keep writing stories for me tho

@Fenwick

Well you’re in luck cuz this place is full of balding virgins who track misogyny for fun, just your type I guess.

I tend to prefer other women, but I’d much rather date a man who isn’t a misogynist over any incel.

You=dying a virgin 100%

?

Dalillama
4 days ago

@Annoying Jackass
I wasn’t gonna bother replying to you, but you have managed to be even more utterly self-centered than any previous example of your ilk. You genuinely believe anyone here cares enough about you to make up stories, it’s incredibly pathetic.

Lainy
Lainy
4 days ago

@Fenwick

Awww little pissy baby mad that he has no love in his life because he’s awful and he’ll die unloved and without a wet dick. so sad. Really dude, get a life.

Lainy
Lainy
4 days ago

@Naglfar

Idk, these dudes think calling people virgins is an insult. Haven’t been a virgin since I was like 15 and one of his kind decided to take that from me. But details am I right.

Lainy
Lainy
4 days ago

@ Fenwick

Do you…do you think I’m Dalilama for some reason? is that why you posted incoherent thing with me tagged in it or are you just high and can’t read?

Lainy
Lainy
4 days ago

My page did something really weird because those we’re not three sperate comments. it like split them up

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
4 days ago

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Fenwick
Fenwick
4 days ago

@Dalillama
Not hating on anyone but this place is full of bullied virgins and autistic transwomen. So idk but it sounds like we’re both pathetic, by the standards of society anyway.

Lainy
Lainy
4 days ago

@fenwick

Then why are you here. What kind of sad loser hangs out at place he’s not wanted and gets negative attention at. It’s so sad that you are so pathetic you come to a place to get negative attention because at least it’s attention from women. Why you are just really pathetic and sad the world won’t give you a woman to rape huh

Alan Robertshaw
4 days ago

Is anyone else seeing the last few posts as walls of characters like that thing in The Matrix?

Lainy
Lainy
4 days ago

@ Alan

On my laptop yes. I switched to my phone

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 days ago

@Fenwick

Not hating on anyone but this place is full of bullied virgins and autistic transwomen. So idk but it sounds like we’re both pathetic, by the standards of society anyway.

Autistic trans woman here, I will never be as pathetic as you. Unlike you, I don’t spend every day fantasizing about raping women and wallowing in self loathing. You could be better than you are now, but you refuse to improve yourself.

@Lainy, Alan
It was looking weird on my computer but normal on my phone. Idk why. This happened once when David did the new comment system but I thought it was fixed then.

WeirwoodTreeHugger
WeirwoodTreeHugger
4 days ago

Fenwick dude, if you’re going to insult people, you need to try harder. Balding virgin or autistic trans women ain’t cutting it.

Dalillama
4 days ago

Anyway, I think there’s only 4-5 autistic trans women around here, the most of y’all are cis IIRC, and quite definitely allistic.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 days ago

@Dalillama
Of the regular commenters, I can think of 3, myself included. There might be other commenters that I didn’t know were autistic and/or trans, though, so there may be more.

Makroth
Makroth
3 days ago

Something weird is happening to the comments here.

Last edited 3 days ago by Makroth