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Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens lose it over Harry Styles in a dress

When Harry Styles agreed to model a series of dresses and skirts for a Vogue cover shoot, he knew it would stir up controversy. He probably didn’t think he was going to be blamed for undermining civilization itself. But that’s what some right-wing opinion-havers would have you believe.

“Blexit” leader Candace Owens started the brouhaha with this melodramatic tweet:

She followed up with a swipe at feminism:

It wasn’t long until fast-talking dunderhead Ben Shapiro decided to chime in.

But Ben wasn’t content to simply share a couple of tweets on the issue, and so he took it to his podcast today, delivering a nearly half-hour rant on the subject, interrupted only by Shapiro reading out ads for luxury bedsheets and his publication the Daily Wire.

He began by not-so-subtly suggesting that men wearing dresses might deserve a punch in the mouth, and followed with a rambling, repetitive rant taking on what he, likes Owens, sees as a dire threat to western civilization: men in “floofy” frocks.

This excerpt will give you some of the flavor of the thing:

But Shapiro wasn’t just annoyed; he presented himself as a noble guardian of civilization fighting off the cross-dressing barbarians.

“This stuff matters,” he declared.

It matters. Because these are fundamental ideas for the preservation of civilization. Boys and girls are different. Boys and girls are different. And it’s important to inculcate in your children that boys and girls are different. And any parents who fail to inculcate in a boy that manliness is a good thing, and that responsible manliness helped build civilizations … any parent that does not teach their girls that femininity, meaning the protection of hearth and home in a different way than masculinity, is a good thing. Any parent that doesn’t teach their girls that is not doing their kid any favors. They’re undermining the civilizational compact that men and women [have], based on biology and in every human culture.

Dude, it’s just a man in a dress. Cis male musicians have been donning dresses for decades — from David Bowie to Kurt Cobain — and somehow civilization hasn’t come tumbling down.

But Shapiro thinks this is a Very Important Topic.

We shouldn’t be shy about discussing these issuesl the left certainly isn’t shy about discussing these issues. They’ll put these [ideas] in public schools, they’ll tell your kindergartener that real men wear dresses. And then you’ll be explaining to a five year old that real men don’t wear dresses. And I don’t feel that’s an acceptable ramification of our cultural discussion.

I really don’t think there’s much discussion of cross-dressing in kindergarten.

Shapiro throws in a weird racial aside:

Harry Styles is a free man, living in a western country, in a west by the way that is defended by white masculine men, as a general rule.

Shapiro insists he has nothing against Harry Styles. It’s just that when Styles puts on a dress he is TEARING APART THE VERY FABRIC OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION

I’m not saying don’t pick up his CDs; I’m not saying don’t listen to his music; I’m not saying don’t watch the movies he’s in. All I’m saying is that when you put out an argument that men ought to act like women and that this is a good thing you’re doing something that tears at the fabric of not only civilization but family and the fabric of childrearing and everybody with half a brain knows this.

Again, Ben, it’s just a man in a dress, a playful tweak of conventional notions of masculinity. How fragile is masculinity — how fragile is civilization itself — if it can be brought to its knees by a handful of pictures of a man in a dress?

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Lainy
Lainy
1 month ago

Basically I had called, i got a voice mail that said the name of the woman I was pretty sure was the right one. I left a message saying I was calling about her son Eric if this is the right lady, If you don’t have a son eric, Feel free not to bother calling me back, that i could have the wrong person. A bit later she called me back and asked me what it was about and I said i found her because of her son’s internet activity. She asked me if She could call me back at another time because she was busy at the moment and wanted her husband to be there. I said alright. She called back and I told her that her son somehow found himself on a blog that I like to read and the reason I was able to find them was because he was putting all of their personal information out to people, including giving his phone number to grown men, saying what school he goes to, their home address, putting pictures of their family house there, and writing under his full name. She asked me what her son was doing on a feminist blog, and that she was pretty sure he wasn’t even sure what feminism is. I said he was claiming to be a MGTOW, and then i clumsily explained what that was, and basically I was just calling tell her I was concerned about her son’s internet activity putting him and their family in unnecessary danger. She thanked me and said she would talk to him about it at some point after getting upset at some of things I told her he had been posting about.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Lainy
I just found the smoking gun. In the post where he says he wants to sue you (archive link in case he password protects or deletes), he says that his mom is a lawyer. All evidence points to you finding the right person and him being full of shit.

Lainy
Lainy
1 month ago

@Naglfar

I figured it was the right woman, it would be quite a coincidences if it a was a woman of the same name, in the same city, with the son of the same age and same name. Hopefully if any thing his dad will be able to figure out how to get the websites taken down and put on protection. I think he was some kind of software engineer or something. or a technical engineer. Something like that, some sort of engineer that isn’t the architectural engineer.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
1 month ago

@Lainy
Maybe her office phone is set up to forward calls home on weekends. He was definitely in a panic about getting caught, which means he knows what he’s doing is wrong. It never goes well for MGTOWs when their beliefs get exposed to sunlight.

I also saw on his blog that he’s planning to organize a MGTOW day at his middle school in January. That doesn’t seem like an event that a school should sanction. What’s next, a Klan rally?

Lainy
Lainy
1 month ago

@buttercup

Yeah i agree the mgtow is bad but really what made me do it was the child putting his safety and his family safety in danger because he decided to put it all over the internet that he could and the idea of this child giving his phone number to adult men who have already shown themselves to want to use women and children, that made me feel sick. I think even if he had posted his mgtow spewl I would just roll my eyes and say a pray for the 12 year old, but he really needed an adult to step in and tell his parents that he is putting himself in danger by giving people his home, school and phone number to anyone who wants it!

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Lainy

I think he was some kind of software engineer or something. or a technical engineer. Something like that, some sort of engineer that isn’t the architectural engineer.

That also checks out with what he said in his “suing Lainy” post, where Eric describes his dad as an engineer.

@Buttercup

Maybe her office phone is set up to forward calls home on weekends.

That’s possible. Also possible she has forwarding on or changed the number because she’s working from home during the pandemic.

I also saw on his blog that he’s planning to organize a MGTOW day at his middle school in January.

Just checked his other blog and found that. I didn’t realize he had another blog, so thank you for pointing that out. Yeah, the school should probably know about that.

David got back to me. He says he’ll be more careful who he lets in for the next couple days. I don’t think we had anything to fear, but at least that should save us some minor annoyances from Eric’s little middle school MGTOW brigade.

Last edited 1 month ago by Naglfar
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
1 month ago

@Naglfar
Oh right, I didn’t think of that! She probably is working from home.

@Lainy
Yes, he definitely needs to be more closely watched by the adults in his life. Besides the grooming, it’s concerning that he’s reading the Eliott Rodger manifesto and already nursing deep hatred for women. You may have saved future lives by alerting his parents.

It’s ironic that his attempts at grown-up behavior may result in closer supervision.

Last edited 1 month ago by Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Lainy
Lainy
1 month ago

@naglfar

Honestly, the kid can try and post whatever he wants, he can descend onto the blog I’m only here half the time at best. I feel like I did my part. His parents are now at least aware of his irresponsible internet activity. If the kid wants to stamp his foot and lerking obsess about me because I got him in trouble, I really don’t care. In like a week I will probably forget the kid existed in the first place.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Lainy

I feel like I did my part.

You certainly did, and once again we thank you for doing it. Like Buttercup said, you may well have saved lives.

Lainy
Lainy
1 month ago

@naglfar

yeah, I’m just a little sad I had to use an Obituary of a dead grandmother to confirm it. That felt a little skeevy, but she would have died when he was like 4 so maybe not so bad

Lukas Xavier
Lukas Xavier
1 month ago

The information disseminated by MGTOWs is no less counterintuitive than that disseminated by Galileo in his time…

Bingo!

SpecialFrog
SpecialFrog
1 month ago

This whole thread is making me wonder if I am sufficiently monitoring my similarly-aged son’s online activity.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

Small update: Eric keeps added to the blog post claiming that his parents must have known he was an MGTOW because he sent them a link to his streaming site on October 9th. Evidently he doesn’t realize that 1) that doesn’t mean his parents knew what MGTOW was then, they might have thought it was just a video hosting site and 2) his parents might not tell him about such a phone call right away because they might be thinking about a course of action. This also reveals he must be lurking because he keeps posting what he thinks are rebuttals to things here. He keeps trying to show his innocence but instead is producing more evidence against himself.

Eric, since I know you’re reading this, who is “Dr Frank”?

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
1 month ago

Wasn’t he already banned here?

Lainy
Lainy
1 month ago

@Lumipuna

Yeah but apparently according to others here who care more then I do, the kid has wrote like 6 blog post about me on his little blog from declaring that I’m a lair and how he’s so not in trouble and how his parents are cool that he’s putting all this personal information online (their not), and how he is somehow going to sue me. Little boy has a obsession I think.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Lainy
Yeah, he’s just putting up what he thinks is evidence defending himself but really isn’t helping his case. He is really bad at this.

Lainy
Lainy
1 month ago

@naglfar

Well he’s a child, once he shows me evidence that his mother knew he was putting up all of his personal information like phone number, address, photos of his house, where he goes to school, to random men and everyone else on the internet then he’ll have some proof.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

It looks like on his other blog he deleted the post about doing a MGTOW day at his school.

I also figured out why he kept trying to @ igormgtow (whoever that is). On his blog it’s set up so it alerts his friend when he tags them like that, and he must have assumed it’s the same here, rather than just a thing to let someone know you’re responding to them.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
1 month ago

@Naglfar

Judging by his “friend’s” Twitter feed, he won’t be of much help. Ugh.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
1 month ago

Why has Igor been called upon to write a guest blog post defending Eric? Some random online dude knows better than Eric what’s happening in his own household? So weird.

I’m glad he took down the MGTOW event. If his school has a code of ethics, that would have been a serious violation, one that might result in detention or even suspension. Girls are not only not allowed in MGTOW, they’re explicitly scapegoats and targets. It’s a hate group. Schools these days have a zero tolerance policy for those. At least, decent schools do.

Also, I could be wrong, but I don’t think there would be many takers for a “Girls Are Icky!” rally. Not many twelve year olds want to sit and listen to someone ranting about their personal grievances through a bullhorn. A chess club or D&D group would be way cooler.

Lainy
Lainy
1 month ago

@buttercup

Like we had days that were bored game days and I remember spending hours playing scrabble and having a great time.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Buttercup
Just checked that post. It mostly seems to serve to show that Eric and Igor are either very naïve or just inept. Very little of it is information we didn’t know, and a lot of it makes me more suspicious, not less.

Some random online dude knows better than Eric what’s happening in his own household?

Maybe Eric is locked out of the blog by his parents?

oh btw i am real

Definitely a thing a very real person would say.
I could do a full takedown of the post if people want, but I’m not sure how much it would be useful.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
1 month ago

@Lainy
Board games are a great way to make new friends. It’s a structured activity, which helps with social anxiety. We had a D&D club at our middle school. I was terrible at it and always got killed immediately, but it was fun to just hang out at lunchtime.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
1 month ago

@Naglfar
There were quite a few weird things in that post. I’d be interested to hear your take.

I watched a few seconds of one of Igor’s videos. His voice is higher pitched than Eric’s, but good lord, he has the worst fake Russian accent. I work with Russians and Ukrainians at my job, so I’m familiar with the accent. There are a lot of subtle tells in Igor’s speech, such as using articles (native Russian speakers drop them). He’s probably some American kid LARPing for attention.

edit: or British (he spells summarised with an “s”)

Last edited 1 month ago by Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

I used to love playing scrabble with my friends. I was very good at that game but haven’t played in a long time, maybe after the pandemic I’ll start playing again.

@Buttercup
I can do a takedown, just a moment while I get my laptop (I’m on my phone right now).

Edit: he’s got more posts, I’ll cover those too

Last edited 1 month ago by Naglfar
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
1 month ago

I love how they’re making blog posts every time we comment, and the content makes absolutely no sense except to the authors.

Not that the blog gets any traffic besides the two of them.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

Alright, here’s a takedown of the posts so far:
Post 1:

oh btw i am real

Off to a great start. Definitely a thing real people say.
As I mentioned before, it’s interesting that Igor wrote this. Does Eric still have access to the blog?

This is simply not true because the phone call did NOT happen and when Eric asked his parents the parents said “what are you talking about” proving that it did not happen

This doesn’t prove anything. It’s possible Eric’s parents are waiting to tell him or planning. I know I’d be shocked if I had children and found out they were doing this.

thats not an activity young mgtows do

I find this hard to believe given that 90% of men have at some point watched porn.

MGTOW is filled to the brim with educational and valuable content

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Lainy also claims to have sent letters in the mail but in really there is no widespread evidence of that

Says the Q head. Presumably the evidence is that mail will arrive.

due to there being no evidence of that and parents of Eric can confirm that

Does he know mail isn’t like email? It takes time.

the fact that Lainy has no address

Well, she wouldn’t have had one if you didn’t put it all over the Internet. If you meant that Lainy has no address, presumably she has a home address, she just isn’t as careless with it.

tried to stop eric in August-September but now they accepted the new status quo

This makes me way more suspicious. Eric seems to be a bit of an unreliable narrator, but even aside from that, the fact that they opposed it then supports the idea that they would listen to Lainy.

so here is proof i am real

It doesn’t prove anything, but fine, Igor is real. Doesn’t change what happened.

So all in all i have destroyed Lainy and Co. Claims

I will bet $10 he’s a Ben Shapiro fan.

Post 2:

Like it or not the rally has already been approved and certified (just not publicly for some sort of anonymity to keep feminist from ruining the event)

Curious that it’s gone from the blog then. Too long the Internet is forever.

Mind if I call the school and ask?

Everyone who is mgtow from the usa will be able to join btw

Wow, the school should definitely know that you invited a bunch of strangers. Massive security risk. I’ll call Monday.

Post 3:
Eric: I clearly have proof that there were no phone calls coming from you

Lainy: The phonecalls were rigged

Eric: WTF

Lainy: If you count the legal phone calls then i solidly win but if you count the illegal ones then your stealing the phone calls

Lainy: Me and my legal team demand a phone call and a mail recount + audit

This is a really weird pivot given that Eric is a Trump fan. But also, Lainy didn’t actually say anything resembling that.

Post 4:
Not much to say about this one. The sentence at the bottom translates to “I have a video in Serbian on my mgtow.tv channel.” Of course, it’s made more suspicious by the fact that the text is not in Serbian but in Croatian.

Last edited 1 month ago by Naglfar
Lainy
Lainy
1 month ago

@naglfar

The dramatic child response shows you no he didn’t tell his mom that he was giving out personal information because he knows ots wrong and he’d get in trouble

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Lainy

The dramatic child response shows you no he didn’t tell his mom that he was giving out personal information because he knows ots wrong and he’d get in trouble

Yes, he’s definitely acting very guilty. Presumably if he had had nothing to hide, he wouldn’t have had an issue with you calling his mom.

It’s also very suspicious that Igor has taken over today. Presumably Eric would be the better source of information on Eric’s life.

I will call his school Monday when they open and tell them what he’s up to and explain why they shouldn’t host a MGTOW day. If he actually has invited strange men from around the country that’s a serious danger to the school and they need to know.

Lainy
Lainy
1 month ago

@naglfar

Christ, yes do that. This kid is going to get himself, his sister, and other students of that school killed with his irresponsible actions. I will call his mom again Monday and tell her about that. No wonder he deleted that post. I bet they started going through his websites and he tried to throw away the evidence of that

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Lainy
In case he takes down the page where he says it is open to all MGTOWs in the US, here’s an archive link.

Last edited 1 month ago by Naglfar
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
1 month ago

@Naglfar

I agree, it does appear that Eric isn’t able to post on his blog right now, and that’s why Igor has been summoned. Curious.

Your takedown is excellent. Some additional thoughts:

Lainy also claims to have sent letters in the mail but in really there is no widespread evidence of that

What constitutes “widespread evidence” of someone mailing a letter? Major news networks reporting on it?

Like it or not the rally has already been approved and certified (just not publicly for some sort of anonymity to keep feminist from ruining the event)

Yes, I’m sure the middle school has officially sanctioned a totally clandestine, underground event that has to be kept secret from the masses. And “certified”, wtf does that even mean. Did he get a notary to witness it or something?

I’m sure Eric wouldn’t mind if you double checked with the school. Since they’re totally cool with it and all.

tried to stop eric in August-September but now they accepted the new status quo

Yeah right. That happened. Because that’s what parents do. They object to something harmful their kid is doing and try to stop it. Then they just give up after a month and say “you win, I accept this as the new status quo”.

This sounds suspiciously like a 12 year old’s fantasy.

So all in all i have destroyed Lainy and Co. Claims

These guys always post the most weaksauce nonsense and then high five themselves with verbs like “destroyed”. MGTOWs want the bar set really low for themselves and complain bitterly when the real world doesn’t accommodate them.

I’m still laughing over the fact that Eric thinks he was banned from WHTM for “chad energy”. Towards the end, the kid was posting stuff like “I just took a big fat ~~~~ in my pants”, basically hopping up and down to get attention. That’s called having a tantrum, not winning a debate.

PS Check out Igor’s LinkedIn, where he claims to have attended Harvard University for “MGTOW/RedPill Sciences” from 1995 – 2019. So smart, he matriculated 13 years before he was born! But not that smart, since it took him 24 years to graduate. And I thought he lived in Serbia, anyway?

I screenshotted it just in case, but go take a look before he takes it down.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/igor-mgtow-9b94a119a/?originalSubdomain=rs

Clearly, we’re dealing with two reliable narrators here!

Last edited 1 month ago by Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Lainy
Lainy
1 month ago

I get these kids have never sent a letter. But it was standard postage that will probably take up to two weeks together because i don’t live anywhere near new York. I’m southern. And i wasn’t paying extra to send a letter of concern.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
1 month ago

This was weird too:

This is simply not true because the phone call did NOT happen and when Eric asked his parents the parents said “what are you talking about” proving that it did not happen

Imagine how the conversation would go if Lainy hadn’t called:

”Mom, did anyone call you today?”

”Like who?”

”Someone named Lainy?”

”Who’s Lainy?”

”Oh, nobody. Just some weird stalker. But I really need to know if she called.”

”Why?”

”No reason. So, did she call you?”

“Why would this Lainy person call me? What are you talking about? What’s going on here?”

”Nothing! I’m going back to my room now, bye.”

What parent would just shrug that off? Wouldn’t that raise some red flags and lead to a followup investigation?

Last edited 1 month ago by Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Buttercup

These guys always post the most weaksauce nonsense and then high five themselves with verbs like “destroyed”.

It’s a Ben Shapiro thing, I think. He’s not the only one to do this but the most prominent.

Towards the end, the kid was posting stuff like “I just took a big fat ~~~~ in my pants”,

He didn’t even put the word itself.

Re: LinkedIn

As for the school, I tried to call but they were predictably closed for the weekend. I’ll call when they open at 8 tomorrow. Now that I’ve said that I bet Eric goes to the office to try to disconnect the phone line or something else sophomoric.

EDIT: He has a new post. Which directly contradicts what he previously said about it being at school. The cached version of his other site (which is still up and is now archived) show this:
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Caught in a lie again. I’ll be calling the school to warn them about this and also about how he might be proselytizing MGTOW to other students.
EDIT 2: reposted the image a different way, not sure what just happened but it broke.

Last edited 1 month ago by Naglfar
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
1 month ago

@Lainy Did you send the letter to his mom’s workplace? Eric is probably going to haunt their home mailbox for the next two weeks, waiting to intercept it.

(It’s cute that he thinks it’s arriving by FedEx.)

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

For some reason my last post is caught in the filter, sorry if this double posts:
@Buttercup

These guys always post the most weaksauce nonsense and then high five themselves with verbs like “destroyed”.

It’s a Ben Shapiro thing, I think. He’s not the only one to do this but the most prominent.

Towards the end, the kid was posting stuff like “I just took a big fat ~~~~ in my pants”,

He didn’t even put the word itself.

Re: LinkedIn
He also claims to still be a student, despite having graduated in 2019. Odd.

As for the school, I tried to call but they were predictably closed for the weekend. I’ll call when they open at 8 tomorrow. Now that I’ve said that I bet Eric goes to the office to try to disconnect the phone line or something else sophomoric.

EDIT: He has a new post. Which directly contradicts what he previously said about it being at school. The cached version of his other site (which is still up and is now archived) show this:
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Caught in a lie again. I’ll be calling the school to warn them about this and also about how he might be proselytizing MGTOW to other students.

Last edited 1 month ago by Naglfar
Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

We have another post. Very generic, by Igor. They’re running out of road at this point, which probably explains it.

People have a choise to choose what political views they want if males want mgtow fine if females want feminism fine too stop trying to halt our natural growth if males like mgtow they like it for a reason.

This is a bizarre concession, since previously he was talking about how feminism is so horrible and destroying society. Now it’s okay?

MGTOW is very different than feminism, though. Look on any MGTOW forum and you’ll see a lot of posts about how awful women are. Most feminist sites don’t have many posts about how all men are awful and should be replaced by sexbots, etc. Many do call out abusive or misogynistic men in particular, but that is not the same as calling out all men, unless you think all men are misogynistic abusers (in which case you are a misandrist).

Last edited 1 month ago by Naglfar
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
1 month ago

@Naglfar
I wonder if his teachers are aware of the dark hole he’s fallen into. He has a few posts further down bragging about “roasting” his science teacher and calling his English teacher a “coexist SJW”, and some screen shots where he’s inserted climate change denialism and MGTOW content into his online schoolwork (which he probably later chickened out and deleted before turning it in).

It’s not overtly threatening content, but it’s pretty douchey and disrespectful, and might be construed as harassment. Anyone who posted stuff like that about their employer would be fired. The school should probably know about it so they can take the right steps.

I don’t take any joy in this whole episode. It’s disturbing and sad. This is exactly how young boys are radicalized and go on to destroy their lives and the lives of others. It needs to stop.

As for Igor’s latest response, it goes beyond “just an ideology”. There are millions of self-help philosophies out there which don’t turn people into angry, bitter trolls. There is no version of self-improvement which requires you to turn your back on society and go underground so you can be lazy and self-congratulatory and insult women and shirk responsibility and blame the rest of the world without pesky people telling you to be better. That’s the opposite of self-improvemenf.

I think we’ve done all we can here. There’s no point in poking the bear further. Igor and Eric know they’ve done wrong. Best thing to do is let his parents and the school handle it.

Last edited 1 month ago by Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Lainy
Lainy
1 month ago

@buttercup

I sent it to his home and he probably won’t know who its from since the address on it has my real name which isn’t close to the name i use here. I think he’s to chicken shit to just throw away mail to his mom cause he’ll know he’d get in trouble if he threw something away from a client

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Buttercup

The school should probably know about it so they can take the right steps.

Exactly. If he made a school event, I can almost guarantee he’s sharing this with other students.

@Lainy

I think he’s to chicken shit to just throw away mail to his mom cause he’ll know he’d get in trouble if he threw something away from a client

I’ll bet you anything he’s looking for a letter that says “Lainy from We Hunted the Mammoth” that arrives on a FedEx truck. So long as your letter doesn’t look like that, he won’t throw it out.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
1 month ago

@The DerisionFetishist:

The information disseminated by MGTOWs is no less counterintuitive than that disseminated by Galileo in his time,

Oh no, you played the Galileo card! Whatever shall we do?

only more controversial and truer.

Truer than heliocentrism? Exactly how does that work?

@Policy of Madness:

A non-savvy parent isn’t going to necessarily lock out Gab, because who the fuck uses Gab?

Nazis. Nazis use Gab.

OT: Something is screwy with the pagination of this thread. Stuff has been rearranged, and not in a way consistent with moderated posts being inserted on earlier pages. For example, a post that was on page 8 is now on page 6. It looks like something in the new site code gets unstable if a thread gets long enough. The “incels wonder” thread is still misrendering as well, days after the problem was first observed and reported.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

Igor has edited his last post to add the following:

Just because an ideology is a cult or not or destroying a society or not doesnt mean you are prohibited from having it

This is also a big concession, but also really scary. He seems to have gotten to the point where he sees MGTOW is a cult, but accepts that and defends its nature as a cult damaging society.

Or maybe he thinks feminism is a cult and is trying to attack us? Not sure, poorly written.

Pro tip to Eric and Igor: these posts aren’t helping your case.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
1 month ago

I’m starting to get really uncomfortable with the way this thread has developed since last night. Calling Eric’s mom was the right thing to do, but I’m not sure that checking his blog every half hour (or whatever) and responding to what gets posted there is equally right. This is a kid, who needs parental intervention and we’ve alerted his parents so that part is out of our hands now. I don’t think continuing to engage with him or his alter-ego is productive or good.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@PoM
At the very least I think we should alert his school to the danger posed. They ought to know. After that we should probably step away though.

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
1 month ago

I’m starting to get really uncomfortable with the way this thread has developed since last night. Calling Eric’s mom was the right thing to do, but I’m not sure that checking his blog every half hour (or whatever) and responding to what gets posted there is equally right. This is a kid, who needs parental intervention and we’ve alerted his parents so that part is out of our hands now. I don’t think continuing to engage with him or his alter-ego is productive or good.

Speaking for me too, PoM.

Parents have been told, now let it go. It’s their task to be dealing with it, not ours, and all this is doing is giving the lad a chance to hone his excuses in front of an audience.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
1 month ago

I’m done as well. Eric’s been banned and deleted here, and his blog doesn’t matter. I’ve got better things to be doing with my Sunday.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

I should probably move on as well. I won’t be reading his site anymore, but I’m not sure if I should still warn the school tomorrow.

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
1 month ago

I’m not sure if I should still warn the school tomorrow.

I’d not do it, but that’s just me. Pretty sure a school takes a bit more than an, “OK, sure, whatever” approach to meetings.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
1 month ago

@Naglfar
If it was just a couple of dumb posts, I’d say let it go, but planning an open-invite MGTOW rally using the school’s name (likely without their knowledge) and the fact that he’s read and admired the ER manifesto are concerning. I guess the question is, if you were a school administrator, would you want to know? Probably it’s best to wait to see if his parents handle things. It sounds like they might already have been arranging to get him help.

Enjoy the rest of your day, all.

Last edited 1 month ago by Buttercup Q. Skullpants