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Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens lose it over Harry Styles in a dress

When Harry Styles agreed to model a series of dresses and skirts for a Vogue cover shoot, he knew it would stir up controversy. He probably didn’t think he was going to be blamed for undermining civilization itself. But that’s what some right-wing opinion-havers would have you believe.

“Blexit” leader Candace Owens started the brouhaha with this melodramatic tweet:

She followed up with a swipe at feminism:

It wasn’t long until fast-talking dunderhead Ben Shapiro decided to chime in.

But Ben wasn’t content to simply share a couple of tweets on the issue, and so he took it to his podcast today, delivering a nearly half-hour rant on the subject, interrupted only by Shapiro reading out ads for luxury bedsheets and his publication the Daily Wire.

He began by not-so-subtly suggesting that men wearing dresses might deserve a punch in the mouth, and followed with a rambling, repetitive rant taking on what he, likes Owens, sees as a dire threat to western civilization: men in “floofy” frocks.

This excerpt will give you some of the flavor of the thing:

But Shapiro wasn’t just annoyed; he presented himself as a noble guardian of civilization fighting off the cross-dressing barbarians.

“This stuff matters,” he declared.

It matters. Because these are fundamental ideas for the preservation of civilization. Boys and girls are different. Boys and girls are different. And it’s important to inculcate in your children that boys and girls are different. And any parents who fail to inculcate in a boy that manliness is a good thing, and that responsible manliness helped build civilizations … any parent that does not teach their girls that femininity, meaning the protection of hearth and home in a different way than masculinity, is a good thing. Any parent that doesn’t teach their girls that is not doing their kid any favors. They’re undermining the civilizational compact that men and women [have], based on biology and in every human culture.

Dude, it’s just a man in a dress. Cis male musicians have been donning dresses for decades — from David Bowie to Kurt Cobain — and somehow civilization hasn’t come tumbling down.

But Shapiro thinks this is a Very Important Topic.

We shouldn’t be shy about discussing these issuesl the left certainly isn’t shy about discussing these issues. They’ll put these [ideas] in public schools, they’ll tell your kindergartener that real men wear dresses. And then you’ll be explaining to a five year old that real men don’t wear dresses. And I don’t feel that’s an acceptable ramification of our cultural discussion.

I really don’t think there’s much discussion of cross-dressing in kindergarten.

Shapiro throws in a weird racial aside:

Harry Styles is a free man, living in a western country, in a west by the way that is defended by white masculine men, as a general rule.

Shapiro insists he has nothing against Harry Styles. It’s just that when Styles puts on a dress he is TEARING APART THE VERY FABRIC OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION

I’m not saying don’t pick up his CDs; I’m not saying don’t listen to his music; I’m not saying don’t watch the movies he’s in. All I’m saying is that when you put out an argument that men ought to act like women and that this is a good thing you’re doing something that tears at the fabric of not only civilization but family and the fabric of childrearing and everybody with half a brain knows this.

Again, Ben, it’s just a man in a dress, a playful tweak of conventional notions of masculinity. How fragile is masculinity — how fragile is civilization itself — if it can be brought to its knees by a handful of pictures of a man in a dress?

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Lainy
Lainy
8 months ago

@dumbass.

If you don’t want to know you can leave. You have that freedom. You don’t how ever have tue freedom to shut me up mr sad boner troll

Dalillama
8 months ago

@TheDelusionist

Which citations have I been given? What hstorical “facts” have I denied?

So far in this thread, radium poisoning, patent medicines, company towns, and rampaging mercenaries, among others. Hint: Reading Machiavelli is completely meaningless without also knowing about the context in which he’s writing. Also, citing The Prince is a damnfool move for someone who claims to be against the state. I suspect that this is because you’ve never heard of the Discourses on Livy, let alone read it. This is another place where your shallow faux-erudition fails you, because to anyone with any knowledge of political science you sound indistinguishable from the 12 year old who just got banned. You also avoided the question of what specific historical societies “lived without the state, even though we’ve been doing it for millennia,” and how they did so. I even provided some suggested reading on stateless societies and how they have historically operated so you wouldn’t be coming to such a discussion entirely unprepared, but you have provided nothing but assertions, not backed by references to any actual historical time or place, such as would be necessary to back up your claims.

And what, exactly, are you going to do if I don’t?

I shall taunt you a second time.

I do not appreciate the threat of use of force that hides behind your words as well as an elephant behind street light.

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That’s the other thing about ancaps, y’all are such fragile fucking flowers. This is ordinary discourse in leftist discussions, academic discussions, and my family dinners. The only threat implied is that you’ll be intellectually demolished.

PS: Your apparent belief that the only political tendency that disagrees with you is liberalism, even though multiple people have mentioned otherwise in this very thread, only serves to highlight your complete intellectual bankruptcy.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
8 months ago

Uh oh Lainy! Eric is going to sue you. He claims you lied about calling his parents and is setting up a Patreon for his “legal defense fund” (apparently unaware that he is the plaintiff).

Be sure to wear some deceitful makeup when you appear in Internet Court so the gynocracy will rule in your favor.

Last edited 8 months ago by Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Alan Robertshaw
8 months ago

Someone donated $2.5 million to fund a pro-Trump organisation’s attempts to overturn the election results. But they’ve abandoned the litigation so now he wants his money back.

https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/true-the-vote.pdf

ETA: In view of Buttercup’s post, this was a bit prescient.

Last edited 8 months ago by Alan Robertshaw
Lainy
Lainy
8 months ago

@buttercup

Wow someone sounds mad that they got in trouble lol.

Naglfar
Naglfar
8 months ago

@Buttercup

He claims you lied about calling his parents and is setting up a Patreon for his “legal defense fund” (apparently unaware that he is the plaintiff).

He may find it’s a bit hard to sue random people on the Internet that he knows nothing about (especially since he’s convinced Lainy is a wine mom). Oh well, he can’t do much worse than the Trump legal team.

Also, I’m pretty sure Lainy is telling the truth, she seems trustworthy and it would be really out of character for her to lie. There would also be literally no motive, since he’s just a kid on a blog.

It also confirmed my suspicion that he’s lurking angrily.

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
8 months ago

Anyone remember who the person was who’d post concern troll type stuff here, get slapped down for idiocy, then run back to her blog and write a post about it?

Totally blanking on their name.

Lainy
Lainy
8 months ago

@naglfar

Yeah I’m 10 years older then the kid but I’m a “wine mom” i don’t even like wine. I’m partial to edibles and coke and rum. I haven’t even been with my husband yet to actually try for the children we want.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
8 months ago

@Alan

Hah hah, imagine getting grifted like that. LOL. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
8 months ago

@Lainy
Gee, if only you’d left your real name and address all over the internet so he’d know who to sue.

It is weird that he’s still being allowed to update his blog. If that were my kid, he’d have had all computer and phone privileges revoked the moment I got off the phone.

Lainy
Lainy
8 months ago

@buttercup

Yeah idk what’s going on with that. They’ll punish him how thet see fit i suppose. Its not like ot was hard to find her. She’s on FB with the same last name and she’s got Eric in the profile picture with her. And ue already said what state he lives in so I just had to find the one with the same and send a FB message. Kid really set himself up for failure here.

Naglfar
Naglfar
8 months ago

@Lainy
He also seems to think everyone lives in New York. I almost want just to see him get laughed out of court. Not that any lawyer would take the case or that he could afford it, but he just really doesn’t think anything through.

I checked his Parler to see if he’s angry there as well, but nothing from today. He did, however, post something 4 days ago about being nervous that his parents were meeting with someone called “Dr. Frank,” which makes it sound like he was already on thin ice.

@Buttercup
Not sure why either, maybe she hasn’t punished him yet? We’ll see if he keeps posting.

Last edited 8 months ago by Naglfar
LindsayIrene
LindsayIrene
8 months ago

I don’t think kids can have a Patreon? And raising legal fees is more of a GoFundMe kind of thing. Which minors also can’t do. He sure does like to throw random phrases around. Lainy, you absolutely did the right thing.

It’s too bad there’s nowhere nice to send kids for digital detox. Somewhere way out in the woods with no cell phone service where kids could spend time in nature, learn some skills that will make them feel capable, maybe ride horses. Unfortunately, anything close to that ends up being an abusive hellhole because no one really cares about tweens and teens.

Last edited 8 months ago by LindsayIrene
Lainy
Lainy
8 months ago

@naglfar

I think that might have been about the gay rape porn. The mother seemed really distraught about it but I’m really sure it was because of the violent nature and not the fact that it was two men

Lainy
Lainy
8 months ago

Also my southern ass is about as far away from New York as you can get.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
8 months ago

@Lainy
Yeah, unfortunately I think his hunger for attention and Milo Yiannopoulis-style celebrity overrode common sense. He didn’t even know enough to create a separate online persona, one that’s anonymous. Maybe his parents want to thoroughly check out his websites and videos first and decide what to do before they talk to him. If he’s giving out his home number to random adult men, that’s really dangerous and needs to be shut down right away.

Who’s going to donate to his Patreon (that he can’t have because he’s a minor)? His blog gets zero traffic. I think we probably quintupled his views today.

Edit: Wow. I just checked out his Parler and he describes himself in his bio as a “beer snob”. Earlier, didn’t he say he’s never pretended to be anything but a child?

(I guess technically you could be a beer snob without ever having tried it, but that seems disingenuous)

Last edited 8 months ago by Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Lainy
Lainy
8 months ago

Tbh I would have to do research and sleep on it. The mom didn’t even know what a mgtow was and I think I did a shit job at explaining it to her other then it’s a woman hating cult and that I had concerns about her son putting way to private and personal out there and that he might be getting groomed

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
8 months ago

@Lainy
Also, maybe they don’t want to have a big family scene in the middle of the long Thanksgiving weekend. It’s not easy pulling a kid away from a cult. Best of luck to them.

Naglfar
Naglfar
8 months ago

@Buttercup

Maybe his parents want to thoroughly check out his websites and videos first and decide what to do before they talk to him.

They might also be trying to think of how to broach the subject. That’s my guess.

Re: beer snobbery
It could also be that he’s underage drinking. I hope that’s not it, but given how he seems to behave, it could be.

@Lainy
You did the right thing. So long as she knows that he’s into bad stuff, she should be able to pull him away from all this. Don’t stress about the details.

Lainy
Lainy
8 months ago

Lol i just glanced at the brat blog

Sure kiddo, I’ll go to court if you have something more on me then the nickname my husband and mom call me. Until then good luck sueing someone who’s smart on the internet and doesn’t give ever detail of their life so random people can find them. Then you can sue me in your little fantasy land

The Depletionist
The Depletionist
8 months ago

@Buttercup

MGTOW is not a cult, and possesses none of the distinguishing features common amongst them. The information disseminated by MGTOWs is no less counterintuitive than that disseminated by Galileo in his time, only more controversial and truer. The mere fact that disingenuous hacks who have seized our institutions of “higher learning” might find it farcical, or that the MSM, with its female-dominated narratives and tendency to break out in hives when exposed to the truth, tends to downplay its viability, says nothing about whether or not our movement (if it should indeed be called that) is a cult or not.

Lainy
Lainy
8 months ago

@ dumbass

You’re part of a cult. And your a delicate little flower which is a funny combination

Naglfar
Naglfar
8 months ago

@Lainy
It seems to be a pretty common combination given how most alt right/Trump people are so fragile. They project their insecurities onto everyone else.

If Eric wants to sue me, he can certainly file a suit against a Norse mythological object and/or a photo of my dog. Aside from that, I don’t think he could easily get any of my personal info from here.

Last edited 8 months ago by Naglfar
Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
8 months ago

Just looking up his name and his handle produces a social media footprint about ten miles wide. If If were his parents, I would be taking my time looking at all this stuff before bringing it up to him. They’ve probably parental locked the obvious sites like Twitter and Facebook, but he uses Parler and Gab instead. A non-savvy parent isn’t going to necessarily lock out Gab, because who the fuck uses Gab?

I mean, cheesus, his phone number is still out there and you don’t even have to look at an archive to see it.

MGTOW is not a cult, and possesses none of the distinguishing features common amongst them.

Oh, you’re still talking. Why?

Mabret the Virile Maiden
Mabret the Virile Maiden
8 months ago

Miggies are just incels who haven’t admitted they’re incels.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
8 months ago

@Depletionist

MGTOW is not a cult, and possesses none of the distinguishing features common amongst them.

Oh? Here’s a few cult characteristics. See if any of them sound familiar.

  • Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.
  • The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel.
  • The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s), and its members.
  • The group has a polarized, us-versus-them mentality.
  • The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.
  • There is an air of secrecy to the group.

I’d say MGTOW checks all those boxes, and more. It’s not a traditional religious cult based around a charismatic leader, but it’s definitely a cultic environment. Debate and disagreement are strictly forbidden. I can’t imagine going to a MGTOW site and being allowed to stay as long as you have at WHTM, for example, or having anybody engage in good faith.

 The information disseminated by MGTOWs is no less counterintuitive than that disseminated by Galileo in his time, only more controversial and truer. 

Ah, the Galileo fallacy. Just because an idea is widely mocked and detested doesn’t make it true. Many unpopular ideas are unpopular for a good reason.

The Depletionist
The Depletionist
8 months ago

@PoM

I’m going to fucking ignore you from here on out, because it’s become patently obvious to me that you’ve got nothing beating at all behind those frozen, flaccid milkers of yours. If you could make being a snide, condescending Gen X bitch into an art, you’d be the fucking Mona Lisa. Cut down on the self-important bullshit and maybe, you’d fall asleep next to something other than a cat and an empty wine bottle for a change.

Lainy
Lainy
8 months ago

@naglfar

I think if someone obsessively scoured this blog they would find bits and pieces about stuff about me but nothing anyone can use to track me down. Like wow you found my wedding vows and my anniversary and maybe my birthday. Good job

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
8 months ago

I want in on the class action suit! Eric can have some of my helium, but he isn’t getting my cupcake.

Lainy
Lainy
8 months ago

@dumbass

I’m gen z and you know what sometimes my husband and i have sex while I’m on my period. No condom. Bloody dick after wards and blood going down my legs. Enjoy

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
8 months ago

Oh no. A random on the Internet is going to ignore me. Whatever shall I do. Where did I leave my fainting couch?

you’ve got nothing beating at all behind those frozen, flaccid milkers of yours.

Oh no. A random on the Internet who abuses the thesaurus thinks I’m heartless. Whatever shall I do. I better put on my pearls so I can clutch them.

Here’s an idea, dipshit. Why don’t you ignore ALL of us, and go your own way? Go on. Go your own way. Shoo. Or is female attention, even negative attention, just so much catnip you can’t resist it?

Naglfar
Naglfar
8 months ago

@The Dumbass

I’m going to fucking ignore you from here on out,

Definitely not a cult…

you’ve got nothing beating at all behind those frozen, flaccid milkers of yours

What is it with you and other people’s body parts? In your head rent free you’ve got Lainy’s husband’s dick, a lot of vaginas, and now Policy’s breasts. I submit for consideration next my left elbow and my uvula.

@Lainy

I think if someone obsessively scoured this blog they would find bits and pieces about stuff about me but nothing anyone can use to track me down.

Same here. They could probably know what state I live in, what kind of dog I have, and maybe what general field I’m in, but none of that would really help them find my real name or address.

The Depletionist
The Depletionist
8 months ago

@Lainy

Has anyone ever told you that you talk so much shit, that if you trained your ass to eat, you couldn’t tell one from the other? Fuck you.

Alan Robertshaw
8 months ago

@ depletionist

no less counterintuitive than that disseminated by Galileo in his time

Heliocentrism had been around since at least the 3rd century BC. By the Middle Ages it was accepted by most European astronomers; and astronomers in India and the Arab world. Even the Catholic Church accepted it initially. Pope Clement actually encouraged Copernicus to publish his theories. Later Pope Urban encouraged Galileo to publish a treatise on the pros and cons of the Heliocentric model.

It was actually religious factions that were up in arms about it rather than scientists. That caused problems for Urban; especially with the rise of Lutheranism; which was very much against the idea. The church was worried about being seen as challenging the inerrancy of the Bible and losing punters to the Protestants.

A compromise was reached in that people were allowed to publish works on Heliocentrism so long as they prefaced their writings with a disclaimer stating in effect “It appears that…” but not actually stating Heliocentrism as fact.

Where Galileo fell out of favour was refusing to do that, and publishing empirical evidence from his observations confirming it was a real world phenomenon.

Last edited 8 months ago by Alan Robertshaw
Lainy
Lainy
8 months ago

lol I’m gonna miss dumbass, it’s funny how upset he got over little things like sex and menstruation. Such a delicate flower.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
8 months ago

Thanks David. His detailed sexual fantasies/meltdowns were starting to get tedious. Sheesh. I feel like we need to smudge the dictionary.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
8 months ago

I’m not going to cry over the dipshit getting banned. His meltdown was pretty hilarious but he was just tedious today.

Allandrel
Allandrel
8 months ago

@Lainy

Thank you for what you did with Eric’s parents. It may be too late for him, or this may lead to his maturation. Either way, you’ve at least likely put a roadblock before anyone trying to groom him.

Lainy
Lainy
8 months ago

@Allandrel

Yeah allandrel, I hope so too. Adults couldn’t protect me when I was a little bit older and the fear of that child being groomed really got to me. I just want him to be safe, even if he’s to far gone, I don’t want him to experience the horrible trauma of sexual abuse.

Dalillama
8 months ago

Out of morbid curiosity, I looked to see who this igormgtow was that our erstwhile troll kept calling upon; he appears to be the kid’s alter ego/sockpuppet, which would explain why he still hasn’t turned up in person.

Naglfar
Naglfar
8 months ago

@Dalillama
He’s got some videos on his blog talking to Igor, so I think he’s a real person, but IDK.

Speaking of the blog, he’s now got another post after consultation with “Igor” where he tells his followers to come here and harass Lainy. Idk if that violates WordPress’s terms of service, but David should be extra careful with the moderation queue (I’ll send him an email) and this might warrant another call to his family.

Lainy
Lainy
8 months ago

@Naglfar

I’ll call again monday if I have too I suppose. I feel bad about tying up the line because it’s his mom work number I called, But hey if I have to I have too.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
8 months ago

@Naglfar
He’s got 3 followers. I’m not too worried about getting brigaded, but it does pay to be vigilant. He’ll almost certainly attempt to sock here at some point.

@Lainy
His latest post claims his mom doesn’t have a Facebook page and couldn’t have been contacted that way. Is he telling the truth? I did a quick search to verify and nothing turned up, but then I’m pretty bad at google.

Lainy
Lainy
8 months ago

@Buttercup

I had found a Facebook page with their family on it which I think is his sister, Which gave me his mother name and when I searched it I got her work number because she is a attorney I believe.

Lainy
Lainy
8 months ago

And then I had to go and confirm it with sadly a obituary post. So the one I did find was either a sister or a cousin.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
8 months ago

@Lainy
Wow, you’re a lot better than me at finding info. I hope his mom wasn’t having to be in the office on Saturday of Thanksgiving.

Naglfar
Naglfar
8 months ago

@Buttercup
I sent David an email alerting him to it just in case. He would probably also know about whether it violates the WordPress terms of service since he uses WordPress.

Edit: Just remembered that Eric said his mom does use Facebook on another page, so we caught him in a contradiction.

Last edited 8 months ago by Naglfar
Lainy
Lainy
8 months ago

@Buttercup

I think it was a work from home phone cause I wasn’t redirected from anyone else like what normally happens when you call a company. But also I searched with Facebook messenger and since it’s become tied with Instagram’s, you can get a lot more information while searching.

Naglfar
Naglfar
8 months ago

We’ll know he got his Internet privilege revoked if his blog stops updating.