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Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens lose it over Harry Styles in a dress

When Harry Styles agreed to model a series of dresses and skirts for a Vogue cover shoot, he knew it would stir up controversy. He probably didn’t think he was going to be blamed for undermining civilization itself. But that’s what some right-wing opinion-havers would have you believe.

“Blexit” leader Candace Owens started the brouhaha with this melodramatic tweet:

She followed up with a swipe at feminism:

It wasn’t long until fast-talking dunderhead Ben Shapiro decided to chime in.

But Ben wasn’t content to simply share a couple of tweets on the issue, and so he took it to his podcast today, delivering a nearly half-hour rant on the subject, interrupted only by Shapiro reading out ads for luxury bedsheets and his publication the Daily Wire.

He began by not-so-subtly suggesting that men wearing dresses might deserve a punch in the mouth, and followed with a rambling, repetitive rant taking on what he, likes Owens, sees as a dire threat to western civilization: men in “floofy” frocks.

This excerpt will give you some of the flavor of the thing:

But Shapiro wasn’t just annoyed; he presented himself as a noble guardian of civilization fighting off the cross-dressing barbarians.

“This stuff matters,” he declared.

It matters. Because these are fundamental ideas for the preservation of civilization. Boys and girls are different. Boys and girls are different. And it’s important to inculcate in your children that boys and girls are different. And any parents who fail to inculcate in a boy that manliness is a good thing, and that responsible manliness helped build civilizations … any parent that does not teach their girls that femininity, meaning the protection of hearth and home in a different way than masculinity, is a good thing. Any parent that doesn’t teach their girls that is not doing their kid any favors. They’re undermining the civilizational compact that men and women [have], based on biology and in every human culture.

Dude, it’s just a man in a dress. Cis male musicians have been donning dresses for decades — from David Bowie to Kurt Cobain — and somehow civilization hasn’t come tumbling down.

But Shapiro thinks this is a Very Important Topic.

We shouldn’t be shy about discussing these issuesl the left certainly isn’t shy about discussing these issues. They’ll put these [ideas] in public schools, they’ll tell your kindergartener that real men wear dresses. And then you’ll be explaining to a five year old that real men don’t wear dresses. And I don’t feel that’s an acceptable ramification of our cultural discussion.

I really don’t think there’s much discussion of cross-dressing in kindergarten.

Shapiro throws in a weird racial aside:

Harry Styles is a free man, living in a western country, in a west by the way that is defended by white masculine men, as a general rule.

Shapiro insists he has nothing against Harry Styles. It’s just that when Styles puts on a dress he is TEARING APART THE VERY FABRIC OF WESTERN CIVILIZATION

I’m not saying don’t pick up his CDs; I’m not saying don’t listen to his music; I’m not saying don’t watch the movies he’s in. All I’m saying is that when you put out an argument that men ought to act like women and that this is a good thing you’re doing something that tears at the fabric of not only civilization but family and the fabric of childrearing and everybody with half a brain knows this.

Again, Ben, it’s just a man in a dress, a playful tweak of conventional notions of masculinity. How fragile is masculinity — how fragile is civilization itself — if it can be brought to its knees by a handful of pictures of a man in a dress?

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The Depletionist
The Depletionist
1 month ago

@LindsayIrene

JFL at people who think that the we need the state to tell us not to drink radium. If the state didn’t insist on coddling everyone, we’d all possess the knowledge to take care of ourselves. To the extent that the state doesn’t get its power from violently repressing anyone who refuses to submit to its whims, it gets its power from wresting control from private individuals and depriving them of the capacity to learn things on their own – thus creating a demand for its services to begin with.

The state is a parasite.

LindsayIrene
LindsayIrene
1 month ago

Kid, you might as well skip the Qanon stuff, no one actually thinks you’re that unintelligent.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Eric

Trump won 410 electoral votes.

232.

@The Depletionist
Defund the police.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Eric
I thought you didn’t like the state. Who do you think cops work for?

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee
1 month ago

Oh no. Eric is trying to be buddies with Depletionist, but Depletionist is too busy ranting about the state to pay him any mind.

Eric, please get some friends your own age. School sports and clubs are a great way to get some interaction in with your peers. You may also want to do an activity outside of school so that you’re not limited to just your class mates. Don’t try to befriend a troll who’s been coming here on and off for years with different names each time. That’s no way to live, kid.

Singerdog
Singerdog
1 month ago

Eric, what ever happened to igor? lol!

LindsayIrene
LindsayIrene
1 month ago

@Depletionist

Dude, patent medicines of the past didn’t even disclose their ingredients much of the time. Because there were no regulations requiring them to. Medicines made for babies often had opiates and alcohol in them and parents had no way of knowing. This killed babies. How do you force drug merchants to tell the truth about their products without regulations? Should sick or injured people not be able to buy medicine from a pharmacy without fear?

Women talk about periods and you need smelling salts. Talk about people dying from lack of regulations and you’re all teeheeheehee. Wow, I hope Eric doesn’t grow up to be like you.

Last edited 1 month ago by LindsayIrene
Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Eric

the Flat Earth society site was created by feminists

Show evidence or retract. This’ll be fun.
Also, what does that have to do with cops?

@Singerdog

Eric, what ever happened to igor?

Probably filling up the moderation queue.
Anyway, haven’t seen you in a while, how are you?

@LindsayIrene

How do you force drug merchants to tell the truth about their products without regulations? Should sick or injured people not be able to buy medicine from a pharmacy without fear?

Something something invisible hand of the market something non-aggression principle something.

@David
Fair enough. I enjoyed watching Eric try to get the Depletionist’s attention, but he’s rather annoying.

Last edited 1 month ago by Naglfar
The Depletionist
The Depletionist
1 month ago

@LindsayIrene

So, we have this thing called “Yelp” nowadays: have you heard of it? There are so many sites out there where one could post a product review if something bad were to happen, or if a doctor were to engage in some kind of shady shit.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@The Depletionist

So, we have this thing called “Yelp” nowadays: have you heard of it? There are so many sites out there where one could post a product review if something bad were to happen, or if a doctor were to engage in some kind of shady shit.

Yelp won’t resurrect your dead children.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
1 month ago

@Naglfar:

I want to work 20 hours a day in a mine being paid in currency I can only use at the mine owner’s shop. And with no safety equipment or worker’s compensation. No regulations capitalism, y’all!

Ancaps want to own that mine instead. The problem is, if they got their way, exactly one of them would end up owning it, and the rest …

Put another way: bringing about ancap would be like purchasing a lottery ticket with the usual odds of winning the grand prize, the usual size of the grand prize, but if you don’t win the grand prize, and anyone else does, you go to Hell immediately and for the usual duration of stays there.

Seems like a bad deal, but so does the regular ordinary lottery, and, disturbingly, millions of idiots buy tickets for that one every single day. And 70 million of them voted for four more years of Trump early this month, i.e. bought the other kind as well.

@DepletedBrainium

property which, without that state you love so much, they might enjoy every right to use

There’s no such thing as property without the state! There’s just what you can keep hold of by hiding it or by defending it at gunpoint. And it’s a near certainty that someone else will have more guns.

If the state didn’t insist on coddling everyone, we’d all possess the knowledge to take care of ourselves

No, that knowledge would be priced out of reach of most of the population. Think “5th grade education and easily persuaded to drink radium”.

LindsayIrene
LindsayIrene
1 month ago

Yelp lets you remove bad reviews if you pay them. My sister used to do that for a casino she worked at.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
1 month ago

@Depletionist

JFL at people who think that the we need the state to tell us not to drink radium.

How would you even know if it was in your food until it was too late? It’s not like radium has a taste or a distinctive odor. Same with salmonella, or melamine, or any of a thousand contaminants.

The people of Flint know not to consume lead. That didn’t prevent officials from taking safety shortcuts with the pipes and exposing thousands of children to it.

You’re delusional if you think people should be omniscient enough to know every ingredient in their foods, cosmetics, and medicines. Without the FDA, you’d be much less healthy than you are now.

There’s a Dunning-Kreuger variation in people who vastly overestimate their luck and talent in hypothetical situations. They feel sure they wouldn’t be one of the victims/suckers/serfs in the olden days/the apocalypse/wartime/unfettered capitalism. Prime example here.

Last edited 1 month ago by Buttercup Q. Skullpants
The Depletionist
The Depletionist
1 month ago

@Naglfarce

Under our current arrangements, they work primarily to provide assistance to a government within the throes of gynocracy. Men who have, in some way, violated some new-fangled “right” which the state, in all of its beneficent wisdom, has bestowed upon women, allowing them to further police the lives of men, find themselves guilty of such victimless crimes as smoking blunts or whistling in the presence of women. Police are then called and, principally, they work by dragging away men that have done nothing wrong and casting them into tiny, confined spaces where they will be ravaged by ravenous sodomites hungry for some hot hetero meat from the streets. One of the primary reasons for why the state has long desired to criminalize homosexuality, I believe is because it allows them to stuff their prisons chock-full of them, thereby using them as an effective deterrent against any man who refuses the draft, fails to make his alimony and/or child support payments, or fails to pay off any debts that his wife has run up.

Lainy
Lainy
1 month ago

I just got off the phone with Eric mother and father. They both had no idea he was doing this or how he got around child blocks they put on. Apparently they caught Eric watching gay rape porn on the family computer and he got in trouble for that. She sounded like a lovely woman. I warned them they had some letters coming in the mail as well from me.

LindsayIrene
LindsayIrene
1 month ago

God, I hope Depletionist is just doing this for lulz. How sad would it be if he wasn’t putting on an act.

Oh, and here’s the story of the radium girls, for people who actually like to learn stuff.

Last edited 1 month ago by LindsayIrene
Mabret the Virile Maiden
Mabret the Virile Maiden
1 month ago

@Eric:

@NagleFarce the Flat Earth society site was created by feminists

Sure, and my broken 486 is the Queen of France.

In re: ancapism
As an anarchist, I too hate the state. However, I recognize that ancapism is not the answer. I recognize that property rights do not inhere in any action or claim, not without any forcible backing. I recognize that a return to a world of private militaries is a return to serfdom. Finally, I recognize that ancaps probably like that, and fancy that they will be the barons in their ideal dystopia.

On the other hand, I as an anarchist want to abolish all such hierarchy as gives rise to management and labour, or to lord and serf, or to king and subject. Like all right-wingers, ancaps don’t want to abolish it; they want merely to rearrange it so that they are the management, the lord, the king.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@The Depletionist

Police are then called and, principally, they work by dragging away men that have done nothing wrong and casting them into tiny, confined spaces where they will be ravaged by ravenous sodomites hungry for some hot hetero meat from the streets. One of the primary reasons for why the state has long desired to criminalize homosexuality, I believe is because it allows them to stuff their prisons chock-full of them, thereby using them as an effective deterrent against any man who refuses the draft, fails to make his alimony and/or child support payments, or fails to pay off any debts that his wife has run up.

So your solution is to let corporations do all of that? Great plan you’ve got. And holy shit that’s homophobic.

@Lainy
Thank you for doing that. David just banned Eric, but it’s good that his parents now know what he’s up to.

He’s also password protected the post about us.

@Mabret
They’re also all convinced that they’d be the CEO, when in reality most would be serfs.

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Alan Robertshaw
1 month ago

The Depletionist
The Depletionist
1 month ago

@Surplus

If property wouldn’t exist without the state, then how would information be priced out of people’s reach? I believe I’ve detected a fatal flaw in your “argument.”

Also, gotta lol at the implicit notion here that school actually educates anyone anywhere, or even teaches anything remotely useful. Compulsory education was invented to indoctrinate boys into thinking that physical activity and boisterousness were bad qualities to possess, and until homework and “paying attention” were invented (largely by feminists), a boy’s life was built upon a solid foundation of hard work, gumption, and learning to be master of his environment. School is just another way in which the state deprives men of the capacity to think big and pursue their goals on their own terms. For men, society is prison.

Lainy
Lainy
1 month ago

@ dumbass

I’m bleeding out of my vagina again. It’s a really bloody one. I got off the toilet this morning and it looked like a murder scene

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@The Depletionist

then how would information be priced out of people’s reach?

Easy. Refuse anyone an education beyond elementary school unless they can pay you an exorbitant sum.

Compulsory education was invented to indoctrinate boys into thinking that physical activity and boisterousness were bad qualities to possess, and until homework and “paying attention” were invented (largely by feminists), a boy’s life was built upon a solid foundation of hard work, gumption, and learning to be master of his environment.

Reedeng iz badd, skool sukz. No liek lurn.

For men, society is prison.

So men built society and hunted the mammoth for women, but society is a prison? Wow, men did a bad job on that one. Maybe some education would have helped.

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
1 month ago

@Lainy, that was a very kind and thoughtful thing to do. Nobody, no matter how bratty, ever deserves to be at risk of grooming and worse like Eric appears to be, and it was generous of you to go the extra mile and contact his parents directly. If Eric is half as smart as he thinks he is, he will understand that some day – though probably not for quite a long time :-s

If nothing else, maybe he will at least realise that if you put your family’s contact details online … another human being in the real world might actually contact them o.O

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Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
1 month ago

If property wouldn’t exist without the state, then how would information be priced out of people’s reach? I believe I’ve detected a fatal flaw in your “argument.”

You can believe that, but your belief would be incorrect. The reality is that, while fiat currency is a creature of the state, currency in general is not, and it is 100% possible for a private actor, in the absence of any regulation or enforcement otherwise, to create its own currency. With currency comes economy, and in any unregulated economy everything is priced such that some quantity of people can’t afford it. In some cases, only the very poor can’t afford it, and in others all but the super-wealthy can’t afford it. But in all cases, some group can’t afford whatever you’re talking about, in the absence of regulation.

(This is basic microeconomics, by the way, and I’m really shocked that such a superior specimen as yourself needs this explained!)

Being priced out of goods and services is all fine and dandy when the good in question is 75″ TVs, but when the good is the information that radium is bad, by relying entirely on the unregulated market, you’re deciding that the very poor are disposable and it’s fine if they die. Which … is a position to take, I suppose.

The Depletionist
The Depletionist
1 month ago

@Lainy

Oh, for the love of god, give it a fucking rest already. Nobody wants to hear about your lavatory murder mystery.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
1 month ago

School is just another way in which the state deprives men of the capacity to think big and pursue their goals on their own terms. 

What are these lofty goals that school is preventing men from achieving? How can men build or invent anything worthwhile without the ability to read, write, or do math and science? Even people who live off the land have to have a rudimentary education.

Lainy
Lainy
1 month ago

@dumbass

Irs the same muscles when you piss that they tell you to use when you give birth. A lot og women shit and piss while giving birth. You likely came into the world covered on discharge. Goo, blood and your mother shit and piss. How does that make you feel?

Lainy
Lainy
1 month ago

@naglfar

Made me sad. His mom actually cried because apparently he’s been getting more withdrawn and disrespectful and hateful. Also I didn’t know the brat made a post

The Depletionist
The Depletionist
1 month ago

@PoM

I’m surprised that you actually think that you’re somehow elevating yourself by repeating that gynocratic lie of yours, when really, if you weren’t so blinded by your own delusions, you’d see just how thoroughly outclassed you are by me.

Money is an invention o gynocracy. Whoever had the most of it, got most of women’s attention. Because of this, there was a demand for it, which resulted in men becoming engaged in back-breaking, thankless labors in order to acquire more of it. Women would ensnare whichever man had the most of it, and then spend it on herself, thus necessitating that a man should continue working to get more of it for her. Credit was invented so that women could put things that her husband couldn’t afford on his tab, thereby requiring him to work even if he came to the realization that he was being duped by her vampiric spending habits, seeing as the state would then proceed to drag the man away and punish him if he failed to provide for his woman’s unquenchable thirst for goodies.

Alan Robertshaw
1 month ago

@ depletionist

Compulsory education was invented to indoctrinate boys into thinking that physical activity and boisterousness were bad qualities to possess

Here (UK) at least, physical education is a compulsory subject on the national curriculum.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/239040/PRIMARY_national_curriculum_-_Physical_education.pdf

And if you think boisterousness is banned then you’ve never been forced to play British Bulldogs or Murderball.

(Which I quite enjoyed so not complaining)

And as for access to education, non-Brits may be confused as to why “Public Schools” here are actually private fee-charging schools. But that’s because they were the first school open to the children of the general public. Those who could afford to pay anyway.

Prior to that schools were operated by organisations like the various guilds and military regiments; and only open to the children of members of each particular organisation.

It wasn’t until 1876 that universal free education was introduced; for ages 5 to 13. Although kids could leave school from age 10 if they had a a certificate to show they’d reached a suitable level of attainment to be allowed into the labour market.

Dalillama
1 month ago

@TheDelusionist
As always with your ilk, all you know is rhetoric, which is why you never respond to specific questions about or citations of historical facts except to deny that they happened. Put up or shut up, you ridiculous reactionary reprobate.

Lainy
Lainy
1 month ago

@opposablethumbs

Yeah they were really concerned that their 12 year old son been giving out his number to adult men on the internet. They thought he just been texting friends more. Hopefully it will help. They might be putting parental tracker and such on his phine since he can’t be responsible. She kept telling me he’s normally such a good boy and I said i don’t doubt that. But he’s getting groomed by the wrong people. It’s not just puberty

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
1 month ago

Money is an invention o gynocracy.

If this were true, then “the gynocracy” has been in existence since the invention of agriculture. Go your own way, MGTOW, but don’t take agriculture with you, since that a gynocracy thing.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
1 month ago

@Lainy
Thank you for doing that. I hope there’s still time for his parents to help him turn things around. Kid seems pretty far gone.

He put up another blog post boasting that he and his invisible friend “igormgtow” schooled us all and then got banned from WHTM for “wrongthink” and “chad energy”. Sure, Jan.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
1 month ago

You know, I’m starting to think that the Depletionist doesn’t think very highly of men!

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
1 month ago

@Lainy

Did good.

Surplus to Requirements
Surplus to Requirements
1 month ago

@Lainy:

Apparently they caught Eric watching gay rape porn on the family computer and he got in trouble for that.

I do hope the trouble was because it was rape porn, not because it was gay porn.

@The Doofus:

Compulsory education was invented to indoctrinate boys into thinking that physical activity and boisterousness were bad qualities to possess,

Yeah, because football scholarships and the football jocks getting with all the best-looking girls is such convincing evidence that physical activity and boisterousness are bad qualities to possess. :/

For men, society is prison.

The correct spelling of the second word is “sociopaths”. Unless you mean to make the misandrist claim that all men are sociopaths …

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Buttercup

What are these lofty goals that school is preventing men from achieving?

A hide and seek game, presumably.

He put up another blog post boasting that he and his invisible friend “igormgtow” schooled us all and then got banned from WHTM for “wrongthink” and “chad energy”. Sure, Jan.

I saw. Did Igormgtow ever show up anyway? I guess we’ll know if similar drivel starts showing up.

@The Depletionist
Since money is a gynocracy invention, I assume it would be ok if I took all of yours off your hands for you.

The Depletionist
The Depletionist
1 month ago

@Dalilama

“As always with your ilk, all you know is rhetoric, which is why you never respond to specific questions about or citations of historical facts except to deny that they happened.”

Which citations have I been given? What hstorical “facts” have I denied? I have merely provided an alternative interpretation of the history of our world, one that clearly has your liberal feathers rustled. You have provided me with scarcely anything to work with, you pusillanimous projecting pedant.

“Put up or shut up, you ridiculous reactionary reprobate.”

And what, exactly, are you going to do if I don’t? I do not appreciate the threat of use of force that hides behind your words as well as an elephant behind street light.

Lainy
Lainy
1 month ago

@surplus

I think it’s because he’s 12 and he shouldn’t be watching any porn.

LindsayIrene
LindsayIrene
1 month ago

When I was 12, I found a copy of Story of O and a volume of Victorian spanking erotica. It did fuck me up a bit.

The Depletionist
The Depletionist
1 month ago

@lainy

No man should watch porn, regardless of age.

Lainy
Lainy
1 month ago

@dumbass

It means shut up because no one really cares about the rants you post. We just laugh at your soft week nature

Lainy
Lainy
1 month ago

@ dumbass

I’m glad you feel like you can tell all men what to do. My husband can watch porn all he wants. Sometimes we watch porn together and fuck to it. You are such a prude

Lainy
Lainy
1 month ago

Why can’t trolls capitalize names? Is it that hard for them? Did they not finish 2nd grade

The Depletionist
The Depletionist
1 month ago

@lainy

Has anyone ever sat you down to tell you how thoroughly sick-minded and perverse you are? Ofc not, you’re a woman so you get the benefit of the doubt. What is this? Some kind of digital orgy that you’re having with your husband, some kind of sick exhibitionism whereby everybody in this comment section ever has to know what goes on between you two behind closed doors? The less I know about you and your boink-slave’s penis, the better.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
1 month ago

@Lainy

School is a gynocratic conspiracy, don’t you know. So language skills and math and everything else taught in school are sus.

Lainy
Lainy
1 month ago

@dumbass

Yeah my husband ajd i have real in person orgies. We have a bdsm club we go to. I’m partial to watching him with other women. Again your just a prude

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@The Dumbass

Which citations have I been given? What hstorical “facts” have I denied?

Dali offered you a book to read and Lindsay offered you multiple real world examples. You’ve chosen to ignore them.

No man should watch porn, regardless of age.

Who made you the ruler of men? Can women watch porn?

Some kind of digital orgy that you’re having with your husband, some kind of sick exhibitionism whereby everybody in this comment section ever has to know what goes on between you two behind closed doors? The less I know about you and your boink-slave’s penis

You’re clearly keeping this all rent free in your head.

@LindsayIrene

When I was 12, I found a copy of Story of O and a volume of Victorian spanking erotica.

When I was 12 I read the first few Xanth books and that caused some damage. Then I later found out Piers Anthony was a pedophile and realized that the signs were all there in his books.

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