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The wait is killing me. And it’s probably killing you.
So here are some chill kitties to help you relax a little during this day of uncertainty. Open thread!
@Mea
The “Cry more, libs” guy was elected to Congress. Sad days. 🙁
@Jenora Feuer
100% agree, and would also add for the men, being considered better than women, a position Trump embodies. The book Vigilante Gender Violence considers some of the systemic causes of that and may be an interesting read.
@kobun37
You would think the bestest business man in the world would have enough money in pocket change to sue the government.
Hello,
at 7h15 here, the count says 264 against 214 in favor of Biden. 3 states with a lot of Big Electors (or whatever you call them) remain : Pennsylvnia, North Carolina and Georgia (?).
What i do not understand is that in the major case, states have only one color, but for Maine and Nebraska, both colors appear.
Still get the finger crossed for you, persons. Last minute turn-arounds are not that rare, let us hope it will not the case.
@Occasional the two state you talk of don’t give all their votes to the same president, so they have one color per vote.
Thanks for the cats David! My favourites are the ones lounging in the box and on the chair. My partner loved them too! Hoping everyone in the US are doing ok.
Not to get all overconfident and count my corvids before they’re hatched, but the transition site is up:
https://buildbackbetter.com/
@Threp
The gap between Biden and Trump has narrowed significantly in PA overnight, they’re now only 165K apart with possibly over 1 million more votes to count, and the mail is favoring Biden heavily so far. Georgia is also much closer but doesn’t have too many votes left to count, so I’m not sure whether Biden can take it.
For Georgia, the estimation is that Biden need 32k votes for him on 48k remaining. So not a long shot, but not a sure thing.
I sort of wrote off Georgia (because it’s Georgia) but hey, they voted in a pair of Dem sherriffs to replace their two ICE cosiest ones, so anything’s possible.
Trump’s only 18,000 ahead right now with 100,000 or so still to count – mostly from the cities. Not expecting a win there, or counting on it, but it’s far from impossible.
Quick edit to add: I’m going by the Guardian site’s numbers. Other sites may have different numbers
I have heard that Trump is 16-18k ahead and that Biden needed 2/3 of the remaining vote, and figured out the number from that.
And, yes, it might change from source to source.
Winning Georgia would be huge, because that would bode well for the senate. Right now both seats are up for grabs, and winning both would kill McConnell’s chances to throw cinder blocks onto the legislative highway. Even just taking one would push it to 50/50 with VP Harris breaking ties. As a Georgian I *REALLY* hope that happens.
Gabriel Sterling, Georgia’s statewide voting system implementation manager, said that 61,367 outstanding mail-in absentee ballots remained uncounted. The state aims to finish its count by noon.
Source NYT, 20 mins ago.
In other NYT news, Trump’s considering running in 2024 … (Insert puke emoji here)
@Threp
Not really surprising. However, given the average US life expectancy and his health, he might not be alive in 2024. That still leaves his kids, though, so make of that what you will.
Side note: Does that mean he’s acknowledging that he’s probably lost this election?
re Georgia, I just saw this on another site – can any Georgians confirm?
@ vic
Bit more on the Georgia Senate seats implications here:
https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1324363014276087808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1324363014276087808%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Fus-news%2Flive%2F2020%2Fnov%2F05%2Fus-election-results-joe-biden-donald-trump-live-updates
@opposablethumbs
I’m not in GA but I’m seeing multiple news sources promote that, so I’d assume it is real.
So how critical is Georgia ? If it doesn’t turn blue is it all over ?
@ Fabe
This explains the candidates respective routes to victory:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/04/paths-to-us-election-victory-what-trump-and-biden-need-to-win
(Well, as of 30 seconds ago; it all keeps changing!)
In other words, Trump need to win all remaining states or do a coup to stay in power.
@Fabe
TL;DR is yes, Biden could win without GA if he keeps all the states he’s leading. However, the minute Biden wins GA it’s over for Trump, as that would be his last chance.
Even if Biden reaches 270, there’s still the issue of “faithless electors” to worry about (state electors deciding “to hell with the popular vote, I’m voting for Trump”). It sounds unlikely, but there were ten faithless electors in 2016. There’s an Atlantic article about this here
@Fabe – Georgia has historically been red, but one of those perennial (and mostly mythical) ‘purple’ states that could flip blue “any day now”. If not for voter suppression, people think that day could have been in 2018 when our current governor stole the election from Stacey Abrams. Georgia was expected to go red again, but if it does go blue this time, it *is* all over – for Republicans. The padding of the Electoral College votes would be nice, but not necessary for a Biden win. Those two open senate seats, though, are absolutely necessary if Biden wants to get anything around Yurtle McConnell…
Boy have these last days been a rollercoaster! Right now it feels like no state wants to be the one to put Biden over the top and cause rioting from Trumpers.
I’m not saying that’s what’s happening, but it sure feels like the counts are getting slower and slower!
Patience is not exactly my strong suit though. Overall I’m optimistic, but badly want it settled.
@Moggie
To be fair, faithless electors almost always go from a losing candidate to a winner or third party (as occurred in 2016). It would be very unlikely that an elector from the Democratic Party would then turn and vote Trump if Biden was winning.
O/T: Just stumbled across this on Twitter. This is about how wise MAGA chuds are with money.
Long twitter thread looking into claims of fraud.