Transphobe activists like to flip words around to serve their peculiar political purposes. Unwilling to call trans women trans women, they invert the gender and label them “Trans-Identified males,” which (according to the twisted transphobe logic) makes everyone who supports trans women into “Men’s Rights Activists.”
There are a lot of things wrong with this particular accusation against trans rights supporters, one of the most obvious flaws being that most real Men’s Rights activists are not exactly supportive of trans rights.
Consider, for example, what just happened on the Men’s Rights subreddit yesterday when one of the rare trans-friendly MRAs tried to convince his fellow MRAs that trans people “are our most valuable allies.”
BrickDaddyShark wrote:
I believe that trans people are our most valuable allies for a few reasons; they are mainstream, they have experience from both sides, and there is even a facet of feminism dedicated to hating them. In general, they have been the most influential group in the progress that has been made for mens rights.
I have no idea what he’s talking about here, but let’s let him continue:
I think that every one of us should include some trans rights into our book of mens rights issues. A few easy ones are that because of the discrimination against men in mental and physical health, MtF people have a harder time getting support from family members and approval from doctors than FtM. FtM on the other hand are focused on far less after transitioning because of their status as men. In conclusion, take care of our trans allies.
Trans Rights are Mens Rights are Human Rights.
BrickDaddyShark’s proposal went over like the proverbial lead balloon, getting voted down to zero and inspiring a host of hostile comments.
“Brother, lay off the crack,” wrote someone called playingpoodles.
“Trans” already have all the rights everybody else has, and if they’re game to cut off their male genitalia and present as a woman they can access a bunch of extra rights reserved for women only.
Your suggestions emerge from a place called ‘fantasyland far from reality’. The only thing interesting about the trans movement, and the feminist response to it, is how little the feminists cared about men having their genitals surgically removed – but now very recently once disturbed women have jumped on the trans bandwagon, and want to juice up on steroids and present as men, feminists are cautious about it and worried for THESE GIRLS. They care, now, because they genuinely care about women, and don’t want them to wreck their bodies juicing up supra-physiological levels of male hormones – just tells me men don’t matter to them, but women do, which we all already knew.
I’m pretty sure Mr. Poodles’ argument here also comes from a place called fantasyland.
“In what way are they allies?” demands tenchineuro.
While it’s true that the trans lobby is more powerful than feminism today, the trans movement’s major issues seem to be things like pronoun issues, with claims that using the wrong pronouns is literally killing trans people. And they also want tampon dispensers in men’s bathrooms.
But AFAIK they have taken no notice of men’s rights issues. Perhaps it’s another minority issue, my understanding is that most trans folk are M2F and that there are few F2M.
Dude, your “understanding” isn’t worthy of that word.
“First off, there are less than what, one percent of them?” complained Azael.
Second off, your average person doesn’t give a shit about them because they’re obnoxious children who spend their time endlessly screaming about how they need to be treated more special than everyone else. What societal influence they have comes from the support of the woke crowd who are using them as their current group of victimized dancing monkeys to parade around and feel sorry for. Let the feminists who aren’t TERFS have them.
I’ll agree with that last sentence, if nothing else. MRAs are terrible people and thus terrible allies. But BrickDaddyShark, unlike his MRA pals, does seen to have good intentions, at least, despite his obvious ignorance; if he wants to be a genuine ally to trans people, he should stop hanging out on the Men’s Rights subreddit and take some time to actually learn a bit about the people he wants to ally with. If he were able to to this, I suspect he’d get a much warmer reception from trans folks than he’s getting from his ostensible Men’s Rights allies.
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KP? Do I want to know?
No
My local MP voted against feeing hungry kids. I posted something on her Facebook. It was just an independent report showing free school meals actually saves money. Better nutrition means less drain on the NHS; and kids concentrate better in school so they don’t need extra remedial education; and also parents can work longer. It got a bit of support.
But they deleted it.
I don’t usually get angry; but I find it hard to avoid at the moment. I feel the need for a more robust follow-up.
I know there’s an understandable distaste of online abuse here; and I get that. But I think so long as it’s something I’d also post if my MP was a guy then I think that has to be ok?
@Alan
Well there is a deference between “Politician is a bad Politician because they made a bad political decision ” and “Politician is a bad Politician because they are a woman”
@Alan
Yep. Not that you’d be posting nasty shit anyroad, so it’s fine.
Stick to posting at pols on twitter when you’re pissed at them though, and make sure you @ at least the party HQ involved (and a couple journos, if you’ve got the swing) – they can’t delete that. The open letter works better if it’s not able to be destroyed and denied by the intended. 😛
@Surplus
If anything it would empower his base because once it turned out it had been hacked they’d claim it was hacked by the cabal of satanist pedophiles and confirm their theories.
What I would have done if I had access to the account is deactivated it. It can and would be reactivated later, but it would at least be a setback and make a statement.
@Alan Robertshaw
You’re fine. Your MP sounds shitty though.
@Alan Robertshaw : after Theresa May and Tatcher, I feel that the UK is the country where women are most equal to men in that they can be falling forward to responsability like men.
So, yes, you can criticize or badger your MP for its politically stupid decision.
@ Alan
Do you have a link for that free school meals/NHS outcomes report? It sounds like something that could do with whatever publicity can be put its way.
@ Kevin
Here you go sir
https://epi.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/UIFSM-evaluation-7.compressed.pdf
I am completely ignoring the sewage stream from the MRAs today.
Thanks for sharing that report Alan, I might email it to my MP. She didn’t vote and doesn’t have Twitter so I couldn’t call her a gutless worm (terrible insult to worms, I know), but an email with a report showing the benefits of school meals plus the stats on the local area regarding child poverty might help me feel better. There are places in Grimsby with 47% of the children in poverty and she didn’t have the guts to vote against her party to try to feed them during the winter. I’m livid. I was equally livid that the MP for the neighbouring towns (one MP, two towns) voted against it. He’s an oily tick though (again, apologies to ticks, oily or otherwise – no one deserves to be compared to a Tory) so I expected it. I might send him a copy to. As a former constituent with family still in the area.
@ Alan
Thank you for the link. I’ll see what I can do. Free school meals are a bit of a – difficult – subject in my family as my late mother was of a generation where she had to serve the other kids at lunchtime before getting the free school meal she was entitled to because of her widowed mother’s reduced circumstances. Our LEA had a ‘Mr Bumble’ view about ‘discouraging freeloading.’
Hey, David Futrell! Here’s my reaction to this article, put below.
https://acidmensrights.wordpress.com/2020/12/03/mra-says-trans-people-are-allies-we-hunted-the-mammoth-thinks-most-mras-are-transphobic/
I’m a gay trans guy (male-attracted, Female-to-Male), and I think you’re entirely wrong.
Here’s the points of my article, simplified:
Please, feel free to react to it! Or do you have nothing to say?
@Acid Kritana
Oh, it’s you again. I read your article, and yet I continue to believe my own eyes over what some rando on the Internet says. I will, however, respond to your main points once again.
They aren’t at all. As you can see above, they only even pretend to when they think it will benefit them. They only pretend to support you because you are on their side. Their attitudes towards trans people outside of that range from indifferent to openly hostile.
No, it doesn’t. They like you because you’re agreeing with them. To actually support trans people would mean to support the vast majority of us, who don’t agree with MRAs.
See above.
Because obviously one guy I’ve never heard of who isn’t openly hostile to trans people somehow overrides the rest?
I have met a lot of trans people, and you are the only one who has been an MRA. Every single other one I’ve talked to wants nothing to do with MRAs. After all, why would I want to deal with a group that a) thinks I’m inferior, b) misgenders me, c) actively makes things worse for people of all genders, and/or some combination of the above?
So I’m going to say that, no, MRAs and trans people are not allies and never will be, barring major changes to the Men’s Rights “Movement.”
Ad hominem.
@naglfar
My friend, you forget something important. this dear boy doesn’t think your actually trans. Which is why he thinks it’s okay for people to call you a tranny. This boy has object permeances issues and thinks anything that doesn’t happen to them must not happen to anyone at all. Might be best to let him just get his validation elsewhere.
@Naglfar
Hello to you too, Naglfar!
“Rando.” Pft. That’s a new one.
And “respond…again”? Since when? Where did you respond to my article?
Also, if you want, you can go on my article and comment. I don’t ban anyone. If anyone says something rude, I just put a warning beforehand. Sadly, because I’m a newer site, I haven’t gotten any feminists on it, at least yet.
If you can bring forward ACTUAL proof of this, and it’s not 3 examples of idiots on a site of several thousand, THEN I’ll believe you.
The vast majority of trans people are NOT feminists.
Also, if it was true that they were supporting me just because I agreed with them (and it’s not), then why have everyone else that I agree with other than MRAs, that happen to be transphobic, not supported me?
They defended me because they felt it was right.
Please don’t pull this “holier than thou” attitude when talking.
He’s getting more famous, by the day. You should go check him out. I recommend his video, “36 Stupid Feminist Questions Answered.”
I am making a list of LGBT MRAs, would you like the link once it’s posted?
Also, have you never heard of Blaire White?
Or even Theryn Meyer?
Both trans women, but they are still MRAs.
And that’s just off the top of my head!
How many trans people have you met?
Most MRAs do not think that. Some do, but not most.
LOL
Are you ever gonna provide proof for that?
Definition: (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining. … relating to or associated with a particular person.
I will admit, my argument/reaction is directed at him. So yes, ad hominem. However, I still am basing it within my whole argument. That separate argument is an ad hominem, while my main argument is not.
@Elaine The Witch
God, y’all are kind of sounding close to pedophiles sometimes. “Dear boy”? You wanna know who says that? People to their partners. Other things. I don’t know! God, it reminds me of when MGTOW Is For Losers (adult male) was fantasizing about Eric, a 12 year old boys, calling him “daddy.”
Not the same thing, I’ll admit, but it reminds me of it.
I DO think that Naglfar is trans.
I DON’T think it’s ok for anyone to call her a “tr*nny.”
What?
Sorry, you just confused me immensely.
…
Well, anyway, for anyone wishing for me to react to another article, or something, please, do let me know!
@acid
Wow kid. Okay first i call most children things like dear, honey, sugar, sweetie, or sweet pea, you aren’t special in that. That’s not something you call a partner, that’s what you call a baby. But since your uncomfortable with that you can just be the child. now things i do call my husband or girlfriend are beautiful, babe, baby, sexy, love, gorgeous, and a few other things that aren’t appropriate for you. Yes, any adult man wanting a 12 year old boy to call him daddy is a pedophile and is creepy. But what I’m calling you is things one calls an infant, not a partner, and the fact that you think it is what you call a partner is actually really concerning.
@Acid Kritana
That time you necroed the opening statement.
Nah, I don’t troll the comments sections of random sites I don’t agree with.
Gee, what does this tell you about feminists vs MRAs?
So in other words, you want me to find thousands of separate MRAs saying transphobic things? Sounds like a lot of work.
1. Feminist and MRA are not the only two categories people can belong to.
2. Every trans woman I’ve met, save one or two, and most of the trans men have all been feminist.
I don’t understand this question.
How is it holier than thou to say to read the previous line. I didn’t feel like retyping, so I asked you to reread what I said before.
Oh yes, the promised “list.” Give me the link or don’t give it, I honestly don’t care. As you yourself said above, a small sample does not define a large group.
I am aware of Blaire White, but a few things:
1. I’ve never met Blaire White. Heard of vs met are different things.
2. I don’t think BW has ever said she’s an MRA. She’s a white nationalist and antifeminist, but I don’t think she’s ever referred to herself as an MRA.
3. You found two whole examples, out of an estimated 45,000,000 trans people worldwide. That would prove nothing.
Quite a few. Few hundred, maybe?
What kind of proof do you require? You’re asking me to prove a negative.
Who hid the bloody flyswatter again?
@therp
It’s in the cabinet next to the whisky,
It’s really sad that the MRA trolls haven’t switched it up since this blog first started. Read Acid’s posts feels like going back in time to when I first started reading.
Oh, our brand shiny new baby MRA has necro’d a thread. He must not be getting enough attention from the other basement-dwellers. Does his mommy know he’s online?
Is Acid Kritana the 16-year-old who thinks he is the foremost expert on feminism? Because I’m still interested in his thoughts about the varying branches of feminism, which one(s) he feels are less or more valid than the others, and why. I’d like to see this expert truly engage with the topic, and explain his perceptions on the differences between the major branches. I’m always up for some rigorous intellectual discussion on this topic, so let’s have some.
@PoM
Indeed, and he is magically granted this expertise despite refusing to read anything by feminists.
If Acid is taking questions, I’d also like to know his answers to the following:
1. What is his take on bell hooks’s statement that a man’s first victim of patriarchy is his own emotions?
2. His thoughts on the sex wars?
3. Does he know about Letters from a War Zone? If so, what does he think?
Y’all are a lot more patient with him then I am then. I’d rather the little hypocrite just hang out in his own little echo chamber with his fellow annoying 12 year old friend and stay off of this blog.
@Elaine
I’d prefer the same, but I think the only way he leaves here is if he gets banned. He’s already flounced once.