Transphobe activists like to flip words around to serve their peculiar political purposes. Unwilling to call trans women trans women, they invert the gender and label them “Trans-Identified males,” which (according to the twisted transphobe logic) makes everyone who supports trans women into “Men’s Rights Activists.”
There are a lot of things wrong with this particular accusation against trans rights supporters, one of the most obvious flaws being that most real Men’s Rights activists are not exactly supportive of trans rights.
Consider, for example, what just happened on the Men’s Rights subreddit yesterday when one of the rare trans-friendly MRAs tried to convince his fellow MRAs that trans people “are our most valuable allies.”
I believe that trans people are our most valuable allies for a few reasons; they are mainstream, they have experience from both sides, and there is even a facet of feminism dedicated to hating them. In general, they have been the most influential group in the progress that has been made for mens rights.
I have no idea what he’s talking about here, but let’s let him continue:
I think that every one of us should include some trans rights into our book of mens rights issues. A few easy ones are that because of the discrimination against men in mental and physical health, MtF people have a harder time getting support from family members and approval from doctors than FtM. FtM on the other hand are focused on far less after transitioning because of their status as men. In conclusion, take care of our trans allies.
Trans Rights are Mens Rights are Human Rights.
BrickDaddyShark’s proposal went over like the proverbial lead balloon, getting voted down to zero and inspiring a host of hostile comments.
“Brother, lay off the crack,” wrote someone called playingpoodles.
“Trans” already have all the rights everybody else has, and if they’re game to cut off their male genitalia and present as a woman they can access a bunch of extra rights reserved for women only.
Your suggestions emerge from a place called ‘fantasyland far from reality’. The only thing interesting about the trans movement, and the feminist response to it, is how little the feminists cared about men having their genitals surgically removed – but now very recently once disturbed women have jumped on the trans bandwagon, and want to juice up on steroids and present as men, feminists are cautious about it and worried for THESE GIRLS. They care, now, because they genuinely care about women, and don’t want them to wreck their bodies juicing up supra-physiological levels of male hormones – just tells me men don’t matter to them, but women do, which we all already knew.
I’m pretty sure Mr. Poodles’ argument here also comes from a place called fantasyland.
“In what way are they allies?” demands tenchineuro.
While it’s true that the trans lobby is more powerful than feminism today, the trans movement’s major issues seem to be things like pronoun issues, with claims that using the wrong pronouns is literally killing trans people. And they also want tampon dispensers in men’s bathrooms.
But AFAIK they have taken no notice of men’s rights issues. Perhaps it’s another minority issue, my understanding is that most trans folk are M2F and that there are few F2M.
Dude, your “understanding” isn’t worthy of that word.
“First off, there are less than what, one percent of them?” complained Azael.
Second off, your average person doesn’t give a shit about them because they’re obnoxious children who spend their time endlessly screaming about how they need to be treated more special than everyone else. What societal influence they have comes from the support of the woke crowd who are using them as their current group of victimized dancing monkeys to parade around and feel sorry for. Let the feminists who aren’t TERFS have them.
I’ll agree with that last sentence, if nothing else. MRAs are terrible people and thus terrible allies. But BrickDaddyShark, unlike his MRA pals, does seen to have good intentions, at least, despite his obvious ignorance; if he wants to be a genuine ally to trans people, he should stop hanging out on the Men’s Rights subreddit and take some time to actually learn a bit about the people he wants to ally with. If he were able to to this, I suspect he’d get a much warmer reception from trans folks than he’s getting from his ostensible Men’s Rights allies.
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