It’s depressing to think that some Men Going Their Own Way have children. It must be awful for their daughters to have to deal with such floridly misogynistic dads, and the situation isn’t that much better for the sons who have to endure hateful and unhelpful “red pill” prothletizing during their formative years.
On the MGTOW subreddit today, some of the regulars are discussing the best ways to “red pill” one commenter’s 14-year-old son.
Fphilippe45 wrote:
I know I’ve already gave him a few red pills like : “woman does not love a man like a man loves a woman”, or “the most important thing in life is your freedom, your health and relatives”…
I don’t want to tell him to GYOW abruptly, but I definitively want him to understand his self-worth and to not worship pussies.
Any idea of the few red pills I can already give him at 14 ?
Commenters fell all over themselves responding with their suggestions, the most enthusiastic propagandist-by-proxy being a fellow called donersbruv2, who spewed out more than 600 words on the topic in the form of an 11-point list, with suggestions ranging from “Never marry” to “If you remove the vagina from the equation, women are terribly boring creatures” and “Women virtue-signal to be able to capitalize on their hypergamous nature.”
Because there is apparently nothing more appealing to 14-year-old boys than an earful of MGTOW jargon.
“Women are always trying to find a better suitor, be it higher status, more money, better looks, etc. due to her hypergamous nature,” donersbruv2 posited.
She’s essentially always talking to, meeting, and looking for a new guy behind her bf/husbands back. Only once she’s found a better suitor and solidified the relationship (with lots of sex) will she tell her bf/husband she “wants to take some time off” or something similar. As if this isn’t bad enough, she could possibly come crawling back later. Yuck!
Never mind that men cheat more often than women, with 20 percent of men admitting they cheated during marriage as opposed to only 13 percent of women, according to the General Social Survey. Clearly the MGTOWs are working with what Kellyanne Conway once famously called “alternative facts,” otherwise known as alternatives to facts.
Other commenters have their own bits of “wisdom” they think are worth sharing with barely teenage boys. Some were merely inappropriate. “First show him safe porn and let him have a coom in peace so he will be thinking with the correct head,” advised CelebritySteam.
After that lay out AWALT [All Women Are Like That] behaviors. If he’s smart now that he knows what he should be looking for he will see it himself. If not so smart he will get thotted a few times before getting it.
“Post nut clarity is a wonderful thing,” agreed Griever113.
Before you make any big decision, rub one out. If you still want to make that decision, spend the night and think it over.
Boys just love it when their dads are creepily obsessed with their masturbatory habits.
Some commenters offered advice that was simply baffling. “I would simply advise him to be discreet and discreet,” wrote RecentFix1.
But the majority of the commenters stuck with typical MGTOW misogyny. Silly_birb advised:
I would tell him
“Never trust females, especially those you like because they know it due to a sixth sense and they will try to use you”
“Females will throw you under the bus to be with the hot guy or to protect themselves to look bad in front of people”
“Women will judge a man only on his looks, which is not how he dress or act but simply genetic characteristics like a wide jaw, narrow eyes, face ratios, how tall he is and muscles”
“Most important thing: a girl is her friends.
She will always follow the group and they will condition her about who to date, and when she should leave or cheat”
What wonderful things to fill the head of a 14-year-old with.
“Tell him that often women will use a man for money or free food,” Shimakaze4 insisted.
She might say she likes you but does she really like you, or does she like you because you do something for her. Even my mother told me when I was 12 “be careful of girls, all they want is money and free stuff”.
Great job, mom.
“Never emotionally invest,” encouraged Hiromant.
If you like her, immediately distance yourself mentally. You can be nice to her within reason but if you fall in love and get oneitis, it’s over. Women love men who are somewhat indifferent to them.
I can’t think of a better formula for bad (or no) relationships.
DrPr0ctr credited his dad for instilling some red-pill wisdom when he was young.
My dad used subtle sayings like “don’t look them in the eyes” and things like that. It sort of fostered this natural distrust of women from a young age.
Uh, red pill aside, what the hell kind of advice is this? Women aren’t going to steal your soul by looking you in the eye.
In some ways the most depressing replies came from other MGTOWs fathers who admitted that they had tried at least a limited amount of “red pilling” with their sons of similar age.
Fill a kid’s head with shit and you’re likely to derail his life.
I can only hope the kids in question are able to see through the bullshit and forge a better life than that of their dads.
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Really bad advice if your son wants to be an optometrist.
(Nice to see you back by the way. I’m sure we all appreciate you doing this for us even with all you’re going through)
I think he was confusing women with bears.
One way to create a serial killer…
I hope the kid is able to see that his father is full of shit, shrug this all off, and get the hell away from his dad as soon as he can. Teen boys tend to not like listening to their fathers, so there may be hope yet.
Woman – Vagina = Terribly Boring Creature?
I think I’m pretty interesting. Does that mean that if I had a vagina I’d be even more so? And does it require the whole vagina or just the external bits?
I’d imagine there are probably a lot more who didn’t admit it, as with any self-reported survey people can easily lie.
I’m not a man and my father never did anything remotely sexual in my presence, but I think if my father had shown me porn or asked me to masturbate in front of him I would have run screaming. Even if I didn’t have dysphoria, I imagine this would be a typical reaction.
Putting aside the bit about masturbation, sleeping and then deciding the following morning isn’t horrible advice.
Fellow ladies, how does one acquire this sixth sense? And does it only work on men or does it work for women and non-binary folks too? Asking for a friend.
What does this even mean? Does he mean to protect themselves from looking bad in front of other people?
This sounds like a way to have a horrible relationship.
Wow, I’m so glad a man came along to tell me what I’d like in a relationship. Nevermind that he’s wrong.
That sounds like a very sad way to go through life. Toxic masculinity strikes again.
Dammit, the secret’s out!
Adding on to what Alan said, we are glad to see you back at it.
Child abuse. How disturbing.
OT but I’ve adopted a cat. he’s a seven year old tuxedo cat named Dr Smitty Thompson and very sweet. Doesn’t like any of the expensive cat stuff I bought as much as the old box on my shelf.
Yeah, it is. Here’s my advice to men who hate women: Don’t lie about your children’s mother to your children. Don’t say terrible, untrue things. Your children are not likely to forgive you.
Is….. is that something dads usually do with their cisgender sons? Give them porn? Ask them to masturbate in front of them?
Egads, that’s such a horrifying idea… all of this is awful.
Sure, raise your son to be emotionally stunted because you shame him with feminine descriptors if he dare show any emotions other than anger and lust, but also make sure you insist he rub one out while you literally watch… that totally won’t scar him for life.
ugggghhghghghhg…..
(I am a little curious, though… what kind of porn do they consider “safe” porn? Obviously anything gay or involving a transgender person or femme dom with a male sub would be out of the question, but… is it just no-frills cis straight people doing missionary for like… 90 seconds with no foreplay for the gal or what? Talk about boring….)
@an autistic giraffe
That’s great! Wishing the best for you and your kitty.
As for preferring random boxes to expensive stuff, my dog does a similar thing. She’ll completely ignore the toys I buy her, then amuse herself by attacking household objects.
@Seth S
I thought it meant softcore porn, but I really have no idea. I don’t watch porn so I don’t know much about the state of the industry.
@an autistic giraffe
My boyfriend and I both guffawed.
I think MGTOWs and their ilk are about equally frightened of bears and women.
@David
Good to have you back. It took me a while to process my grief about my mother’s death. Best wishes.
I feel terrified that some of these men may have LGBTQ+ kids.
I had a MGTOW/MRA-type father.
When I went off to college for my first term (10 weeks), I thought about him only fleetingly and only two or three times. I was thrilled about almost forgetting him and hoped — also fleetingly, because I didn’t want to think about that man — that this virtual blank in my thought processes could continue forever.
Apparently, this was too good to last.
During my second term I thought about him way too much, and this unpleasant pattern still continues.
I guess my psyche was giving me a break, which I really appreciate.
I think most parents, progressive or not, are quite reluctant to talk about sex or masturbation with their kids. I suspect even those adults who talk online like it’s no big deal are often engaging in armchair parenting.
This comment didn’t seem to suggest masturbating literally *in front* of the father, but it’s kinda creepy and stupid regardless. At 14 I had my first crushes at school but whenever those particular girls weren’t at my sight I was very “clear headed” in the sense that’s meant here.
(Also, I wasn’t ejaculating yet, but I’m a late bloomer.)
Very possibly “safe” is just used as a rhetorical emphasis here, reflecting the idea that porn is generally “safe” socially and emotionally, compared to the presumed alternative of seeking sexual gratification with women.
For anyone in need of a hug.
I’ve commented here long ago, but this post brought in me the need to talk about a (once?) friend of mine (evtl advices are welcome). But first of all: I’m very sorry David for your loss. Hope you get love from a lot of people, helping you coping.
I have/had this dear friend, who I hadn’t seen in a while since we live in two different countries now. He’s gay and hasn’t children on his own, but he’s a teacher for kids aged 11-13. I’ve accidentaly discovered, in our latest call, that he’s gone fully MRA and has started a twitter account dedicated to “fight misandry”, where he spews hatred and various insults against: women who want to do career, feminists, lesbians, ppl who advocate for women empowerment, BLM.
He says that patriarchy doesn’t exist, and when it existed was “actually good”, women are “disgusting and ugly”, leftists who advocate for feminism and minorities rights “aren’t good marxists” and are “spoiled petty bourgeois” (he’s “marxist-leninist), men are quite very oppressed and society just favors women, evtl. cultural differences between men and women are just biology so not avoidable (eg. interests, jobs, personality), feminist lesbians should be expelled from LGBTQ movement.
Well, the whole known MRA shit.
Since he’s a science educator (sex ed is included in curriculum) I’m afraid he’s going over his pupils with those ideas.
While I can fully agree with him about the need to solve problematic topics affecting men (eg. boys having a harder time in schools, prevalence of suicide and bad mental health in men, higher prevalence of work-related fatalities), I do not longer feel I want to keep in touch with someone displaying such hatred. Also, I suppose he despise me as a person, since I wanted to pursue a career, being not so much interested in “feminine” stuff (so not following what Nature has decided for me), of course being feminist.
In the last conversation we didn’t talked about that (I explicity diverted the topic to others) and I hadn’t looked at his twitter yet, but now don’t know what to do.
Thank you for your time (and sorry for bad English spelling/grammar, it’s not my native language).
This whole idea of indoctrinating their sons at such young age with their toxic believes is really messed up, they want their sons turned into bitter person (and have potentially abusive behaviour) by having bad, untrue ideas about woman. I think that still count as abusive to the son mentals that its just really unnecessary to them to already thinks this way about woman, its just really sad to think about the kids who had their dad or families that into this kind of messed up thing called “redpill” who will turn them into a bad person and just really unhelpful to their life and still developing minds.
And i’ve heard from some podcast that they actually will indoctrinate and target young boys into their messed up believes as young as 11yo.
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/daily-turning-misogyny-into-terror/id1496246490?i=1000494928566
I think it’s not the hardest even for children to shrug off such drivels, but it’s still concerning to see that. The poor childs at the very least will be in contact of undiluted hatred, which is never good, and they could still easily buy into this if it look helpful enough.
For extra squick, the username “Shimakaze4” make reference to a japanese warship who is depicted in a popular game as a <16 year old girl whose skirt would be more accurately called a belt.
@MorgainleFee
It sounds like this person is pretty far down the rabbithole, so I’m not sure how much there is to do with him. I’d suggest trying to show some data, but I get the feeling he’d just reject it offhand.
Since he is a teacher, have you considered trying to bring his online stuff to the attention of the school? I’m not sure in this specific case whom one would tell, but it’s an option.
Much better advice, from much nicer men. (SHINEE singing Girls, Girls,
Girls)
https://youtu.be/B8KYRwPRFrc
To some degree I second Naglfar. ‘When I was fourteen years old, my father was the biggest fool in the world. By the time I was twenty-one, it was amazing how much he’d learned.’ – Mark Twain.
@MorgaineleFee:
Agree both that these are serious problems that need to be addressed and also that they in no way justify misogynistic attitudes.
In particular, it’s ironic that so many misogynistic men are now trying to claim that boys’ underperforming academically in comparison to girls is evidence of some kind of “gynocracy” or anti-male oppression in the basic school format currently standard throughout most of the western world, because that basic school format was created exclusively by men exclusively for boys hundreds if not thousands of years ago.
The “sit in your seat quietly and listen to teacher” format, which educators (beginning with mostly female educators in the sixties-era school reform movement, btw) have rightly pointed out can be more difficult for boys than for girls, has been in use ever since the days when only boys typically received formal schooling, and then only from men.
Nobody (except a few reforming “cranks”, again mainly women) thought there was any problem with the standard schooling system until it was recently discovered that girls are typically able to outperform boys in it. Can’t have that, now can we?
Once feminism succeeded in reducing the academic disadvantages faced by girls to the point where larger numbers of girls could perform to their full academic potential, our society was able to perceive that the standard schooling system has some inbuilt comparative disadvantages for boys. You’re welcome, MGTOWs! Now that we’ve enabled you to understand that the problem exists, you’re doubtless just going to continue sitting around whining about it while expecting us to fix it with no help from you.
(It’s also ironic that any social structure in which men tend to have a natural advantage is typically treated as “just the way things are” and something that women are expected to “adapt to”. But any social structure in which women tend to have any kind of natural advantage, such as learning environments that are more effective overall for girls than for boys, is met with outraged screeches about how intolerably unjust and broken it is.)
@Kimstu
I would add that this format has some other issues, like being difficult for some neurodivergent students and trying to conform both varied students and lesson plans to a one size fits all model. Ideally educational reform would address this, which just so happens to be something pushed for by feminists. There do exist things which negatively impact men, but most of those are things that feminists and other progressives are actively working to fix while MRAs/MGTOWs sit around moaning.
I hope you are doing well. I’m so sorry about your mum. At least you know she was amazing and raised you better than these asshats. Please be well.
If I heard anyone spouting this rubbish to my nephew I’d slap them. How dare these pus bags damage their children with these lies. I wonder how many are divorced men trying to poison their children against the ex-wife/mother. That always goes sooooooo well! (sarcasm)
Also, good to see you back, David, take it steady and look after yourself.
I know these people lack self-awareness, but I’ve never seen that void collapse in on itself and create a black hole like this.