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An incel’s lament: Even if I find a teenage girlfriend she’ll eventually get old and ugly

The Buddha is not impressed

The Buddha, legend has it, spent his younger years living in an opulent palace that was also, in a way, a prison — designed to make sure he never saw the reality of suffering in the real world. But in his late twenties he decided he needed to see the world outside the palace walls.

On his first trip out, he saw an old man, and learned about the phenomenon of aging. On subsequent trips, he saw a sick man, a corpse, and a religious ascetic. He learned that life was fleeting and suffused with suffering. This insight was the spark for the spiritual quest that led to his enlightenment.

One regular commenter on Incels.co seems, like the Buddha, to have discovered the phenomenon of aging, though his discovery hasn’t led to any wisdom.

“Even if I get a teen or early 20s girlsfriend she will age out,” Total Imbecile sadly reported in a recent post:

I dont know how guys cope with this

No matter how pretty your girlfriend is she will eventually grow old, everything is transient …

Each year you turn 1 year older while some girl whos your 10/10 becomes a teen and starts living her prime

And even she will eventually age out of her prime

Its just brutal, I hate the agepill

Total Imbecile, like the Buddha, realizes that life is transient and painful; unlike the Buddha, he uses this insight as an excuse to lament that hot 13-year-olds won’t be hot 13-year-olds forever. Euggghh.

In a followup comment, he told the sad tale of a recent shopping trip:

I was @ my local target today and I noticed this girl who had like blonde hair but it was almost orange

Anyways I realized I wanna marry her but then as she was walking I noticed an old guy walking in the opposite direction and it hit me

Even if I marry her, 50 years from now I will be that old guy and somebody else will be that college girl, my wife will be old and her hair will probably go white, she wont be a college girl forever

I wanted to kill myself right then and there

Don’t worry, dude; with this attitude, even if you somehow magically manage to find a girlfriend, she’s not going to put up with your shit long enough to grow any older.

An incel called Transcended Truecel agreed with Imbecile’s bleak assessment of the world.

Yup, I was once thinking about this. Even if you somehow get a Stacy, every passing year her looks degrade, day by day. Eventually she will become old hag. It was very brutal enlightenment. Destroyed my desire to ascend by a large degree, after realizing this, I no longer care for trying to ascend as it’s not possible and not even worth the effort either. Best to money max and cope

In a followup comment, he added:

Imagine putting all this effort for foid and finally ascending , just for her to expire a few years in . Really unideal

Boo fucking hoo. Like you’e going to age like fine wine?

Seriously, dudes, go read Siddartha or something. Get a little bit of perspective on life.

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Naglfar
Naglfar
18 days ago

@Lainy
You look great!

Alan Robertshaw
18 days ago

@ Lainy

I love your little bat logo; you look like an undercover superhero!

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
18 days ago

A carrot top should have green hair like a Oompa Loompa no ?

Or where the guys in charge of english drunk again ?

Lainy
Lainy
18 days ago

@Naglfar

thank you!

@Alan

I feel a little bit like Raven from teen titans

an autistic giraffe
an autistic giraffe
18 days ago

Speaking of complete fucking monsters, this is a real book
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Naglfar
Naglfar
18 days ago

@an autistic giraffe
I saw that one when Faye Fahrenheit did a “Bigot Book Review” and shared some choice excerpts. She never seems to have finished the review, but the point stands that the book is exceptionally awful and isn’t alone in terms of its content.

Most of the books I’ve seen about autism by neurotypical people are ignorant at best and openly hateful (like that one) at worst. I have yet to find a book by a neurotypical person about autism that isn’t dehumanizing, reliant heavily on stereotypes, centered around the idea that all autistic people are cishet white males, or all of the above.

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
18 days ago

@ Naglfar,

Faye Fahrenheit did a “Bigot Book Review” 

This is a good idea; these kids of ideas need to be challenged. The only thing is, if she’s buying these books new, the author of the bigoted book will benefit? I bought a nasty book of this sort on the basis of “know your enemies”, and I regretted it, especially as I started to get those targeted ads in response *shudder*.

This book looks horrifying. I feel so bad for this guy’s poor kids.

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
18 days ago

The Amazon reviews are overwhelmingly 1-star, and from the content of the reviews, people wish they could give stars in negative numbers.

Naglfar
Naglfar
18 days ago

@Bookworm in hijab

The only thing is, if she’s buying these books new, the author of the bigoted book will benefit?

Faye says she bought it used, which would avoid the issue of giving the author money. I would recommend doing the same should you ever need a similar book. It might not prevent the ads from showing up, but it will prevent the author from getting your money. Or you could try to borrow from a library, but that might be difficult depending on how your local library works, and may be impossible during the current pandemic.

The idea of a bigot book review is fairly common, at least in the circles I’m involved in, especially in the last few years I’ve seen plenty of blog posts, articles, and threads from various individuals or groups breaking down hateful books or other media. I’ve considered trying to do some of that to shed light on and break down bigot arguments, but I don’t have the time at present to devote to it.

The Amazon reviews are overwhelmingly 1-star, and from the content of the reviews, people wish they could give stars in negative numbers.

I don’t usually review products on Amazon, especially if I haven’t bought them, but it does seem like the kind of book that warrants negative stars. And it’s only one such book, there are plenty more with a similar premise and ideas, both about autism and about other neurodivergencies. There’s also a massive intersection of anti-autistic bigotry/ableism with other bigotries like misogyny, racism, homophobia, and transphobia, as well as blatant science denialism (i.e. anti-vaxxers, various stripes of Christian fundamentalists).

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Fishy Goat
Fishy Goat
18 days ago

@Ohlmann:

Or were the guys in charge of english drunk again ?

There was a time when that wasn’t true? 😉 [“carrot top” just means “orange like a carrot on top” sadly. :D]

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
18 days ago

@ Naglfar,

Faye says she bought it used

I’m a dork. I totally missed that! Yes, solves the problem. Or library, indeed. I’ve occasionally picked up horrible books at thrift shops, for the sole purpose of writing snarky margin notes and then passing them along.

Alan Robertshaw
18 days ago

@ bookworm in hijab

 for the sole purpose of writing snarky margin notes and then passing them along.

Pick up one of those ‘Unsolved True Crime’ books; then make loads of marginal notes along the lines of “Well, they got that wrong” and then put it back.

Bonbon
Bonbon
18 days ago

I feel like a lot of these idiots view women as ornaments to accent themselves rather than as any sort of companion.

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Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
18 days ago

… then make loads of marginal notes along the lines of “Well, they got that wrong” and then put it back.

I scored some antique ink a few years back from a bottle digger mate of mine. Like all English people my age, I first learned to write with a fountain pen, so using a nib is second nature. Been known to make the odd anachronistic note in old books.

Last edited 18 days ago by Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Alan Robertshaw
18 days ago

@ Threp

During WW2 the SOE produced a fake pamphlet entitled “Nostradamus predicts the course of the war” with all sorts of prophecies, which were surprisingly accurate (up to the date they produced it) about Germany’s initial successes. However Nostradamus predicted all sorts of upcoming catastrophes.

They then planted it in some antiquarian booksellers in Germany hoping the Ahnenerbewould stumble across it.

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
18 days ago

Strange chaps, the department of ungentlemanly warfare. All sorts of odd notions. 🙂

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
18 days ago

Hunh. I have no idea when I first understood the concept of death. It was pretty early, probably helped along by the fact that we moved multiple times when I was young (so I was used to losing people), there were farms nearby, and the number of great-grandparents I knew.

More on topic, I’ve attended 50th anniversary celebrations for my parents and one set of grandparents. (And the other set didn’t have it only because that grandfather died about ten years before they got that far.) One of those great-grandparents had their 50th before I was born, and I know one set of great-aunt/uncle made it that far but we were in a different part of the country at the time. Gee, it’s almost like most people don’t obsess over youthful looks as much as this guy does.

@Lainy:
I can see why you make the Raven reference, yes. Though you have more of a smile in that picture than Raven usually does.

@an autistic giraffe:
Ugh, that’s awful. And the ‘Proceeds Donated to Charities to Help Families With Autism’ just makes it worse, because I can half-imagine the sorts of charities they mean. And note that the charities are for *families* with autism, not *people* with autism… just like a lot of that ilk, they’re more concerned about the parents ‘suffering’ than they are with the actual children. These are exactly the sorts of people who will torture their child to ‘cure’ them, because it’s all about getting back the ‘real’ child that was ‘stolen’ from them. People have been likening these sorts of attitudes to the old stories about Changelings for a while…

@Naglfar, Bookworm in hijab:
Fred Clark’s merciless deconstruction of ‘Left Behind’ set the standard for me for that sort of review; the Slacktivist blog spawned a whole cottage industry of other folks doing similar reviews of related books. Sadly, he’s pretty much stopped doing it now, and hasn’t even been reposting the old stuff as much lately. Though there are only so many ways you can say “This is not how real human beings (as opposed to walking plot devices) would act!”

Naglfar
Naglfar
18 days ago

@Jenora Feuer

I can half-imagine the sorts of charities they mean. And note that the charities are for *families* with autism, not *people* with autism… just like a lot of that ilk, they’re more concerned about the parents ‘suffering’ than they are with the actual children.

Yes, I would imagine a chunk of the proceeds goes to Autism Speaks or the like. A former commenter here put it best, “Autism Speaks is not a charity for autistic people, it is a charity for neurotypical people who have the horrible burden of an autistic person in their lives.” (That may not be exactly what he said, but same general message).

William Shatner has repeatedly gone to bat for them (and shouted down autistic people who tried to explain to him why he shouldn’t), as if we needed another reason to realize he isn’t a very good person.

These are exactly the sorts of people who will torture their child to ‘cure’ them, because it’s all about getting back the ‘real’ child that was ‘stolen’ from them. People have been likening these sorts of attitudes to the old stories about Changelings for a while…

“Autism Warrior” parents are the worst for exactly that reason. They’re pining for a child that never existed. Their child wasn’t stolen, it is they who refuse to accept that child for what they are. Just like the homophobic or transphobic parents of LGBT children who don’t accept their children.

And they’re impossible to talk sense into, when I try to argue they always say I could never know what it’s like to be the parent of an autistic person, then when I say that I am autistic they either a) get very condescending and rude or b) say I’m “not really” autistic or “not severely autistic” because I’m good at masking and passing for neurotypical. Or they just start screaming incoherently.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
18 days ago

@Jenora

Have you seen Adam Lee (Daylight Atheism on Patheos)’s examinations of Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead? They were inspired by the Left Behind reviews.

Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
18 days ago

There used to be a blog or maybe tumblr called “Reasoning with vampires” dedicated to exposing and snarking about the misogyny of the Twilight series. I haven’t looked it up in years, though.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
18 days ago

There used to be a blog or maybe tumblr called “Reasoning with vampires” dedicated to exposing and snarking about the misogyny of the Twilight series. I haven’t looked it up in years, though.

I learned everything I know about Twilight from a Livejournal where an ex-Mormon discussed/reviewed the books at length and pointed out all the Mormon influences as she encountered them. A lot of what is objectionable about the books is influenced by Mormon theology and sociology. It’s unfortunate that the series wound up heavily criticized based on nothing more substantive than “young girls like it and young girls are airheads so everything they like sucks” because there are some fantastic reasons to criticize it that have nothing to do with the audience.

Naglfar
Naglfar
18 days ago

@PoM
I never read Twilight but I will never forgive the series for inspiring the creepy, dangerous 50 Shades of Gray. That book has caused real-world abuse to happen in a way that few other erotic novels have.

Alan Robertshaw
18 days ago

This might only be of interest to legal geeks; but in summary:

Trump is being sued for defamation for saying that a rape claim is false.

The case was going through the normal state court channels. A deadline was approaching by which time Trump would have to abide by a court order for disclosure. That would include giving a deposition and providing a DNA sample.

However the Department of Justice has taken over the case. Their argument is that, when he made the statement, Trump was acting in an official capacity and therefore the correct defendant is the US itself. Who was that French king who said “I am the state.”?

But anyway, this just looks like a tactic to avoid the trial generally and perhaps damaging revelations prior to the election.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-08/doj-seeks-to-take-over-trump-defense-in-e-jean-carroll-lawsuit

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
18 days ago

@Naglfar

I got curious and looked it up on LJ – it’s called LDS Sparkledammerung and is from 2008, and for some reason none of the images show up for me anymore, but it’s a nice breath of nostalgia for me.

I don’t think that 50 Shades did anything but dial the abuse in Twilight up to 11 and delete the vampire aspect. Twilight is pretty bad on its own.

And hey, did you know that E L James wrote another book after wringing the 50 Shades series dry? It’s called The Mister and it plagiarizes a totally different property. If you have nothing to do for a while and want to see someone rip apart a bad book, you can look up Jenny Trout’s blow-by-blow of the book.

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Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
18 days ago

O/T but I’ve just encountered a terrifyingly awful website. CW to the max for…oh where to even start?! Sexism, homophobia, transphobia, abuse and justifications thereof…if not in this partiular article, then certainly in the site as a whole.

https://biblicalgenderroles.com/2014/05/24/the-scourge-of-feminism/

Ugh. Mammotheers, I only share it because I need brain-bleach after reading it and you’re all very good at that. Any pics of adorable kittens would be greatly appreciated.

Btw, for any Christian mammotheers, I don’t for one single second believe that this is what your faith is about. Every Christian I’ve met would be horrified by this too.

Naglfar
Naglfar
18 days ago

@Bookworm
I’ve stumbled across that site before and it is a cesspool.

As for brain bleach:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=rABjiQH9p3E
I couldn’t find this in GIF format but it’s one of my favorite cat videos.
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Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
18 days ago

Adorable kittens you say? Let’s see if I can get this to work …

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Bookworm in hijab
Bookworm in hijab
18 days ago

Naglfar, PoM, thank you both. They are purrrfect *snorts with laughter at own rather sad pun*

an autistic giraffe
an autistic giraffe
18 days ago

@bookworm

clicks around on that website

Yeah that’s pretty bad. My “favorite” was one bit where they advised one 24 year old man to spank his 18 year old wife and take away her debit and credit cards because she told him “you’re not her father” when he ordered her around. Oh and he says they’ve been married for a year.

I really hope his wife gets out before things get any worse.

(They seem to be giant covidiots too, whining about how safety measures are costing them their freedom, which is the fault of feminism somehow.)

“Wah wah wah, mean feminists won’t let me get a haircut because I’ll spread a deadly plague. My freedom is more important then hundreds of thousands of lives. But only mine! Half the population should live in a relationship that sounds more like a hostage situation!”

tim gueguen
18 days ago

Libby Anne at Love, Joy, Feminism has been doing reviews of bad Christian books this year. She’s currently reviewing a novel called The Vision, written by Debi Pearl. Her husband Michael Pearl is the author of To Train Up a Child, a “Christian parenting” book that advocates methods that are quite obviously child abuse.
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/tag/the-vision

Naglfar
Naglfar
18 days ago

@tim gueguen
I remember hearing about that book. IIRC it advocates, among other things, beating a 4 month old with a length of plastic tubing for trying to crawl upstairs.

Snowberry
Snowberry
18 days ago

@An Autistic Giraffe:
“Covidiot” seems to be the new “sheeple”, though. It has very different implications depending on who’s saying it. I’ve seen a lot of people using it to mean along the lines of “idiots who take this fake plague seriously”.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
18 days ago

@Naglfar:
Most of my exposure to Autism Speaks comes from Respectful Insolence, admittedly. I don’t have very many people diagnosed as autistic in my close social circles. (I know some people who are autistic, one of whom mentioned this when asking people to be quiet and orderly during a demonstration he was doing because he had trouble dealing with too much at once; and I have a few close friends who probably would have been diagnosed if people were more actively checking for such things forty years ago when they were growing up.) But between that and some of my own observations, yes, I can see that sort of thing happening.

A lot of it is sadly just things that are ‘normal’ taken to extremes. Most people don’t like admitting they may have been wrong, so once they latch on to an explanation they tend to defend it. People like finding communities of people with similar experiences. Now you have a ‘critical mass’ of anti-vaxxers and the whole echo chamber they’ve built up with a combination of active grifters and the generations of people suckered in who don’t want to admit they’ve spent the last several years being wrong; season with the whole discussion about how women (and not only women) often feel (with good reason) like they’re mistreated by standard medical care and thus start with a distrust of doctor’s explanations… it’s become self-sustaining at this point.

Fred Clark used ‘Bad Jackie’ as part of a parable to describe the sorts of people who, when presented with evidence that the horrible conspiracy they believed in was false, doubled down in it because so much of their self-image was based on being better than and in opposition to these horrible (but fictitious) people that they would rather the world be ruled by the devil than admit that sometimes things just happen.

@Victorious Parasol:
I did at one point, but stopped keeping track after a while.

There was actually someone else doing a takedown of Atlas Shrugged earlier, via an old (and long-moribund) blog called ‘Welcome to the New Scum’. The blogger first mentioned it in a post called ‘Stupid Things Libertarians Say, Part II: Simplicity Itself‘ where he ripped into Atlas Shrugged as part of what was wrong with that whole line of thinking:

… But there is a moment in [Atlas Shrugged] that so completely sums up everything that is wrong with the Tea Party/Randite/Libertarian worldview that it is breathtaking in its elegant stupidity. It is when Dagny Taggart finally gets to Galt’s Gulch, and it is a breathtaking panorama of loveliness with fertile fields and little houses, and people fishing and etc. It’s para-fucking-dise. And John Galt himself leads Dagny around showing her all the wonderful things they’ve done. And there are oil pipes in the mountains, and fields full of…stuff (She’s not much for details, our Ayn.) And it’s the most hilarious moment in the book, because you realize, at that moment, that Ayn Rand has no clue how the world works.

See, I grew up on a farm. And I’m familiar wth the sheer, bloody amount of work it takes to run a farm. Notice, I am not saying build a farm. Building a farm from scratch is an almost impossible undertaking. (Which is why *gasp* the pioneers did it all together in groups. No payment expected, just help out when its their turn. Buncha commies.)

Certainly, a few years after this project got started, they would still be on the frontier edge of starvation, desperately going hungry in the winter so they wouldn’t have to touch their seed corn for the next year, anxiously scanning the skies for clouds. Living in one room cabins. Of course, Rand handwaves this by essentially giving them cold fusion, but even so, it Doesn’t. Work. Like. That.

It is at that moment that you realize Rand probably never did a day of real work in her life.

Which, from other things I’ve read about her, no, she never really did.

@Alan Robertshaw:
*groans* As if we didn’t have enough evidence already that Trump is running the Executive as if he were a Mafia don and the job of everybody else just to protect him. Barr’s going to have to rely in the right-wing circuit in the future because no reputable legal department will touch him after him actively lying all over the place in support of Trump.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
18 days ago

@Alan : it was Louis XIV. Basically the prequel of Napoleon : someone who want to rule the entirety of Europa, is a decent to good administrator, a pretty good warlord, and someone who don’t like sharing power at all.

Nowaday, a good comparison would probably be Putin.

Also, he sold Louisiana to american IIRC, which mean he inadvertantly made future relation between USA and France a lot easier.

Gwynfydd
Gwynfydd
18 days ago

@an autistic giraffe

Speaking of complete fucking monsters, this is a real book

Yeah I have seen this before, and the whole movement behind this book and Autism Speaks is monstrous towards autism and I think the whole perspective of seeing autism as an ‘epidemic’ is really manipulative and outrageous to me.

I have a bunch of friends with autism and also happen to work with supporting a lot of folk with severe autism and I would never ever want to change anything about who they are.

I have seen other programs such as the ‘Son-Rise’ program which has what they call an ‘Autism Treatment Programme’ (https://autismtreatmentcenter.org/son-rise-program-principles/), and it really saddens me that people with these experiences and differences can’t just be taken as they are, but that they need to be ‘cured’.

Naglfar
Naglfar
18 days ago

@Snowberry

“Covidiot” seems to be the new “sheeple”, though. It has very different implications depending on who’s saying it. I’ve seen a lot of people using it to mean along the lines of “idiots who take this fake plague seriously”.

I’ve only ever seen it used to mean the opposite: to refer to conservatives who think it isn’t real or who act in a way that puts themselves or others at risk. I imagine it could be used the other way, but in my experience I’ve only heard it one way.

Moon Custafer
Moon Custafer
18 days ago

@ Alan, @ Threp:
 
I’m just going to assume Christopher Lee suggested that one.
 
@ Jenora:
 

Though there are only so many ways you can say “This is not how real human beings (as opposed to walking plot devices) would act!”

 
At one point some of Fred’s regular readers came up with a fix-it headcanon: that pretty much everyone *except* for the books’ main characters were found worthy and Raptured at the start, and that the legions of Hell were stuck having to impersonate the supposed remainder of humanity so that these losers would have a fair chance at redeeming themselves. Demons are really bad at acting human, but the series’ “heroes” are too wrapped up in themselves to notice anyway.

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
18 days ago

Speaking of horrible books,

Several months ago I mentioned a Finnish political scandal involving an MRAish diatribe published by the rightwing think tank Suomen Perusta.

SP had been given a public grant of 120,000 e for “political research publishing” that “promotes equality”, among other conditions. Now, after a lengthy investigation, a measly 10,000 of that grant was ordered to be paid back – the amount SP had spent for compensating the author of the aforementioned diatribe.

Lainy
Lainy
18 days ago

@Jenora

Raven smiles sometimes when she’s with her friends, or in the new teen titans movie, she smiles when she’s with her boyfriend Damian Wayne (i ship so hard)

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
18 days ago

@Moon Custafer:
*bwahaha* I don’t recall seeing that one, but I like it.

The scary thing is, both LaHaye and Jenkins had children. And yet they wrote this series of books where every child on the planet disappeared… and after a period of shock measured in hours at most, everybody went on with their lives. It really makes you wonder what kind of parents they were.

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
18 days ago

… a measly 10,000 of that grant was ordered to be paid back – the amount SP had spent for compensating the author of the aforementioned diatribe.

Wait. You can get paid 10 grand for writing MRA “just so stories” bullshit?

There’s a career path I’d not considered …

Last edited 18 days ago by Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Lumipuna
Lumipuna
18 days ago

Threp – Yep. Apparently, the book is mostly anti-immigrant crankery, with a strong side of “they’re taking our women”, with references to various news stories and social media rants.

francis
francis
17 days ago

Domanic Nobel did a charaty live stream of the mister by el james I managed 2 hours of it. there is lots of snark and his 50 shades videos are great.

calmdown
calmdown
17 days ago

I remember watching an old episode of law and order: SVU where this actually happened. The girl was like 30 and And she’s all “but you said you loved me” but the pedophile was like ew, no thanks you’re old. I don’t know why I watch that kind of stuff. The site looks great BTW.

Alan Robertshaw
17 days ago

Trump as piss poor “A Few Good Men” tribute act.

Last edited 17 days ago by Alan Robertshaw
Dana C.
Dana C.
16 days ago

Deleted — posted in wrong thread.

Last edited 16 days ago by Dana C.