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Men’s Rights activist: Ron Jeremy’s rape charges are part of a plot by feminists angry that “he isn’t the gorgeous stud they demand”

By David Futrelle

On Monday, porn star Ron Jeremy was hit with 20 new charges of rape or sexual assault involving 12 women and a teenage girl, on top of the charges he already faced for allegedly raping or assaulting four women.

As plausible as these charges against a man infamous for regularly groping women in public may look to you and me, the charges have been met with everything from skepticism to outright derision by Men’s Rights activists, who rarely run across rape allegations they aren’t ready to dismiss as false.

“It seems like a setup,” wrote one Reddit MRA in response to the original charges announced some two months ago.

[T]he man use to film three to four movies a day, no one would invite a man known as “The Ass Master” over to their house to hang out one on one without expecting sex.

“[H]e works in porn so he will obviously would have boinked some women,” added another Reddit MRA.

It’s like suing someone for groping you because he had to do CPR on you, and accidentally touched you on your breasts.

Well, no, it’s not like that at all.

But the strangest theory about the accusations I’ve run across in the Men’s Rights subreddit came from a fellow called omegaphallic, one of Jeremy’s most vociferous defenders. According to him, the accusations are part of a plot hatched by evil feminists who hate Jeremy because he’s not hot enough for their tastes.

“The Feminists have HATED Ron Jeremy for decades,” omegaphallic declared.

[A]nd the feminists in porn having been gunning for him, they wanted him out of the industry because he isn’t the gorgeous stud they demand out of Male pornstars,

Wait, what? I was not aware that the world’s feminists had a position on the minimum gorgeousness of male porn performers.

[H]e fuck above his Station, has gorgeous woman asking to have their boobs autographed, and yet he looks like your savage overweight working class Joe. So I’m not surprised about these BS accusations against him. They won’t rest until he is ruined.

Meanwhile, over on the Incels.co forums, one commenter has a similar theory.

“Ron Jeremy’s only crime is that he is not a Chad,” a regular commenter called Metabuxx wrote in a post today.

Ron Jeremy isn’t on trial for being a rapist. He’s on trial for having the audacity to fuck many women despite being a subhuman.

MRAs and incels, two sides of the same shitty coin.

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Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
6 months ago

I am not convinced that cleaning sewer is inherently degrading.

It’s not. Unpleasant =/= degrading.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
6 months ago

@LindsayIrene:

I don’t recall Ron Jeremy ever being considered attractive. I remember him being seen as a joke back in the early 80s. The only movie I saw him in, no one would have sex with his character so he performed an act of autofellatio.

If only the real-world incels would learn that too. Then we might never hear from them again.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
6 months ago

It’s doing it again! My comment was right here, just below Threp’s at the top of page 2, but now it’s gone!

Fetch
Fetch
6 months ago

Surplus, how long will it take before you accept that the site is just unreliable sometimes, and nobody in the comment section is your tech support?

Pie
Pie
6 months ago

@Surplus

It’s doing it again! My comment was right here, just below Threp’s at the top of page 2, but now it’s gone!

This sort of thing has been happening to pretty much everyone, at random intervals, for years. Seems like it shouldn’t really be a surprise now. Unless you felt like rolling up your sleeves and getting your hands dirty in some wordpress code, it’ll probably won’t get better any time soon.

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
6 months ago

It’s still there. I see it just fine.

Shit’s been getting really odd recently with the comments – I get the cookies acceptance button flash up then disappear every time I refresh. That ain’t supposed to happen.
Comments for me can take anything from instantly to 15 minutes to show up. Whatever the database problem is, it’s getting worse and I hope David can fix it soon.
This place is too valuable a resource (and community) – I mean, over half a million comments, I think he said? – to be lost to a corrupted database.

Alan Robertshaw
6 months ago

I still find it amazing that I can sit at my desk, click a button, and then that message is visible to people all round the world; regardless of how long it takes to show. To someone who grew up putting things in letter boxes this might as well be magic.

I get particularly mind blown when I’m sat in the middle of nowhere with a friend. They take a picture and send it to me. Not just the fact that even in some desolate old mining valley we’re still connected with the world; but that that picture may have gone on a route that takes it half way round the world or via space; just to appear instantly three feet away.

(This all gets me thinking about the Fermi paradox )

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
6 months ago

@Alan

I remember when it was a big deal as an American to have a pen pal from West Germany. The whole thing was brokered through a service introduced to our German class by our teacher.

Heck, I remember when it was a big deal to send the “finger” command to a snack machine in Australia. This is usually where Mr. Parasol makes the joke about how Australia’s bandwidth could once be measured in the cargo hold of a 747.

Naglfar
Naglfar
6 months ago

@Surplus

If only the real-world incels would learn that too.

Unfortunately for them, it looks like less than 1% of penis-havers can do it. (Probably TMI) I’ve tried and my back isn’t flexible enough.

It would also work if incels had sex with each other, but even they can’t tolerate each other’s horrid personalities long enough to do that.

@Alan Robertshaw
What I find funny is how we have all this technology yet so much of what we do with it is trivial. We built the Internet, and half of it seems to be cat pictures.*

*I don’t actually know what percent of the Internet is cat pictures, probably not half. I do recall hearing the statistic that 30% of it is porn, though.

Naglfar
Naglfar
6 months ago

This xkcd comic kind of shows what I mean:comment image
(Although it’s talking about local services rather than the Internet, the point still applies)

Alan Robertshaw
6 months ago

@ Vicky P

Oh wow, pen pals!

Do you remember a kids’ show called The Big Blue Marble?

That always had the thing at the end about setting you up with a pen pal across the world. I guess now we’re all pen pals!

@ naglfar

I do recall hearing the statistic that 30% of it is porn, though.

I seem to recall a statistic that the bulk of internet traffic was just things like financial information and spreadsheets. I guess it depends on how you measure it. There’s probably more bandwidth in a funny cat video than each day’s total LIBOR swaps.

Naglfar
Naglfar
6 months ago

@Alan Robertshaw
Here’s the source I’m drawing the 30% figure from, it doesn’t have any word on what percent is financial data but I’d imagine that’s significant. A lot of financial data is probably transmitted within companies by intranet, though, so that might not be counted.

Then there’s the existence of the dark web, which is harder to find data on because of the DIY nature and lack of indexing.

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
6 months ago

There’s a good argument to be made that porn created the internet for regular people – or at least high speed internet. 🙂

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
6 months ago

@Alan Robertshaw

The Earth’s a big blue marble when you see it from out there
The sun and moon declare
Our beauty’s very rare!

I can’t remember the “Closer … growing closer” lyrics without googling.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
6 months ago

Comments occasionally taking a while to appear is not new, no, but comments appearing and then disappearing again (and then reappearing a while later) definitely is new.

Alan Robertshaw
6 months ago

@ Vicky P

Ah, just been watching the intro again. Happy memories; and such a great and necessary message. Simpler times.

So, when I’m world leader I’m going to slow things down a bit.

WHTM will be David writing a post and then mailing it to the first person on the rota. They can add any comments and then forward it to the next person. We can do a round robin like one of those family Christmas letters. We’ll just keep the letter circulating until people run out of things to comment on.

Multi-player gaming will be turn based postal games (remember them!). And I’m sure it will cut down on abuse if people have to invest in a stamp.

Rotary dial telephones. Apart from anything else, misdialed numbers were a great way of meeting new people.

If people want to tweet, they can put a card in the local shop window.

Any other ideas for the manifesto?

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
6 months ago

Any other ideas for the manifesto?

I propose that in the field of politics we institute Frank Herbert’s idea of a Bureau of Sabotage.

(Not really, but that idea has always tickled me.)

In the work field:
– mandatory tea/coffee breaks, of at least 30 minutes each.
– all meetings to be held in the pub, most senior manager’s treat.
– unquestioned flexitime for all workers. I’d like complete flexitime, but that’s unrealistic for some jobs without a bit of a change in work practices.

Naglfar
Naglfar
6 months ago

@Alan Robertshaw

Any other ideas for the manifesto?

Gaming cafes, instead of video games, should have tabletop board games and RPGs. I stumbled across something like this in Ireland a couple years ago and would like to see more like it.

Free tea and scones delivered to your door fresh daily.

Instead of podcasts, we have town criers who make snarky commentary on the news.

If people want to tweet, they can put a card in the local shop window.

I assume then the White House windows would be plastered with incomprehensible tweets.

Apart from anything else, misdialed numbers were a great way of meeting new people.

And since it’s audio, you don’t have to worry about someone trying to show your their dick.

Hambeast
Hambeast
6 months ago

Alan and Naglfar – I’ll have to insist on re-introducing answering machines, though. I’m old enough to remember obscene phone calls.

A particularly stubborn caller (who liked to call at 2am) back when I lived in Nebraska was the reason I got my first answering machine in 1982. It may not have been dick pics, but it was all about his dick anyway.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
6 months ago

@Hambeast

Mr. Parasol and I still have an answering machine, because we have a house number plus our individual mobile numbers, because if you need to reach either or both of us, call the house number. That’s how the various parents/other relatives reach us.

Hypatia's Daughter
Hypatia's Daughter
6 months ago

Hambeast
When I was a lot younger & answered the phone at a ladies’ clothing store, an obscene phone caller informed me that his dick was hard & asked me what should he do with it?
I told him to shove it down his throat & choke to death. He never phoned back.
I had a few calls at home that I thought were a couple of teenagers. I told them in all seriousness & with great concern, that people who make obscene phone calls had psychological issues & should seek out therapeutic help. They hung up.
When they phoned again, I said “Oh, you again? Have you found a good therapist yet? They can really help you with your problem.”
They hung up, and never phoned back.

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
6 months ago

Same. Landline and answering machine are the main way people get in touch with us, since she only ever turns her mobile on when she’s out at the shops and I usually ignore mine. Don’t believe in this always available, 24/7 bullshit that seems to have become the expectation. 🙂

Got no aversion to going back to rotary telephones – they had their charm – but can we please keep the ability to block/ignore numbers?
That’s been a godsend since retirement – retiring is like catnip to phone scammers and telemarketers.

Naglfar
Naglfar
6 months ago

I’ve still got a landline and answering machine, though I rarely get any calls on it aside from scammers and telemarketers. At this point I usually only answer my cellphone or the landline when I recognize the number or am expecting a call.

Once in a while I’ve answered a scam on purpose to try to keep them on the line as long as possible. Usually not long, but sometimes you can get them to curse at you and admit they’re scammers.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
6 months ago

@ Surplus:

appearing and then disappearing again (and then reappearing a while later) definitely is new.

If you will indulge me, I believe I can help. Web programming technology (and computer system programming technology) is a VERY complex field. I struggle with it, and, particularly when I see others seemingly use it without issue, I get frustrated (for “frustrated”, read “scared, angry, loud, rude, demanding…”)… all I want it to do is WORK. Sometimes it doesn’t and there’s nothing my ire will change. My work history is 45 years in manufacturing, in the shop running computer-controlled machine tools, and later in the office running engineering design software. I like to quip that for 45 years, my job description was always: “Try’n’ Find A Way ‘t’ Make It Work” (or, “Try’n’ Find A Way ‘t’ Run It Broken”)

A large part of the problem comes from the fact that no two computers (none… in the entire known universe, there are none!) are set up the same. Consequently, I can ask for Office help, and get 11 hits, all from Microsoft Office Help, all with the exact same subject line, all different, and none workable on the machine I’m on.

It is what it is, and if you have trouble, wait through an update cycle for the software (usually every 6-8 hours 🙂 ) and you will likely be presented with a new and more exciting operations problem!

@ Threp:

porn created the internet

I’ve always felt that the driving force for hardware development is video games and pornography….

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
6 months ago

@Weird Eddie

I’ve always felt that the driving force for hardware development is video games and pornography….

I definitely think video cards and chipsets were more games driven – even the old ones from the late 90’s can reluctantly handle 480p (standard telly resolution) video – as was TV development.

High speed networking and the entire rise of streaming TV and movies? That’s ALL on porn. 🙂

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
6 months ago

Alan and Naglfar – I’ll have to insist on re-introducing answering machines, though. I’m old enough to remember obscene phone calls.

IIRC, Pratchett & Gaiman’s Good Omens had this scene where some demon characters were magically trapped inside an “ansaphone”. I read it in original English, and that word was new to me. Incidentally, in Finnish, “ansa” means trap.

Naglfar
Naglfar
6 months ago

@Threp
Cross the streams, though, and nothing good results. Every porn game I’ve seen or heard about has managed to be both not titillating and a crappy game that isn’t fun to play.

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
6 months ago

I’m old enough to remember when Custer’s Revenge came out – we had an Atari (who’s sole purpose in life was running a bootleg copy of Elite, far as I recall. Wife did the piloting, I did the trading. She were more the gamer back then.)

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
6 months ago

High speed networking and the entire rise of streaming TV and movies? That’s ALL on porn. 🙂

I imagine it would be completely INAPPROPRIATE to discuss Virtual Reality…. 🙂 🙂 🙂

And math geeks who write algorithms probably all work for market research and social media (and organized crime!)

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
6 months ago

WAAYYYY off topic, jus’ askin….

When I was a young and impressionable commie pinko (1970s), we would occasionally muse upon the chances of “Social Security” even being there when we reached the age of AARP….

I’m to begin collecting the pre-paid gimmee in… one month….

Anyone care to muse upon the odds of it even being there when I reach that milestone?

🙁

Naglfar
Naglfar
6 months ago

@Threp

I’m old enough to remember when Custer’s Revenge came out

Was that the one where the aim of the game was to rape a Native American woman? I never played it but I’ve heard about it.

Re: VR
VR is one of those technologies that I remember seeing a lot in the news a few years ago with massive predictions of how it was the way of the future, then it promptly dropped off the radar (my radar, anyway). I know it still exists, but it never went mainstream the way it was predicted to. Same with smartwatches, I bought a cheap one expecting to be an early adopter, then it never became as common as I predicted.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
6 months ago

@Naglfar:

I’m not sure this is true of sewage work either, many people choose jobs others may find unappealing.

I ran into someone who was a good programmer, but worked as a garbage truck driver. (Yes, there’s a Dilbert character based on that idea, but this was before that.) His attitude was that the waste collection job was more stable because society would be needing them for a while, so few people wanted the job, and they had a good union. Also, having a nice intellectually boring job gave him more time and energy for programming as a hobby.

Gaming cafes, instead of video games, should have tabletop board games and RPGs. I stumbled across something like this in Ireland a couple years ago and would like to see more like it.

Those exist. There’s a place here in Toronto called ‘Snakes and Lattes’ which has a huge board game library, and you can play while drinking your coffee. Actually, a number of ‘Escape Rooms’ also have board game libraries for the people who are waiting.

@Victorious Parasol:

I remember when it was a big deal as an American to have a pen pal from West Germany.

I can still sing the entirety of ‘TEAM/The Baseball Game’ from the musical ‘You’re a Good Man, Charlie Brown’, most of which is narrated as Charlie Brown is writing to his pen pal. Ending with: “Dear pen pal, I’m told where you live is really quite far. Would you please send directions on how I can get where you are?”

Heck, I remember when it was a big deal to send the “finger” command to a snack machine in Australia.

Granted, people stopped using the finger command so much after the Morris Worm used that as one of its ways to get around. It was, sadly, a horribly insecure setup.

This is usually where Mr. Parasol makes the joke about how Australia’s bandwidth could once be measured in the cargo hold of a 747.

I had to set up a video conference to Australia back in those days for a convention, where one of the guests was stuck in Australia. We never did get audio working at all, so all the Q&A was via chat. We did get video at about four frames per second, but audio was just not happening. (Audio may take less bandwidth than video, but with video you can throw out data if it’s too late and it doesn’t have much effect. You can’t do that with audio; it needs to be continuous and jitter-free or it’s useless.)

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
6 months ago

@ Jenora:

there’s a Dilbert character based on that idea,

My favorite Dilbert moment was the MENSA member talking to Dilbert; Dilbert asks, “if you’re so smart, how come you work here?” The Brain dude answers “… sadly, intelligence is not as much of an advantage as one might think….”

Naglfar
Naglfar
6 months ago

@Jenora Feuer

Also, having a nice intellectually boring job gave him more time and energy for programming as a hobby.

I imagine this is similar to why Einstein took a job in a patent office.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
6 months ago

@Weird Eddie:
Also, ‘intelligence’ and ‘wisdom’ are very much different things.

As people have pointed out with regards to ‘Dunning-Kruger Syndrome’, sometimes more intelligent people are easier to fool, partly because they assume they’re too smart to be fooled, and partly because they are so often better at coming up with post-hoc rationalizations as to why they were really right all along.

@Naglfar:
Quite possibly. I can certainly speak from the other side of it: doing programming work as work means I don’t have the time or energy to do it as a hobby much anymore. (Which hasn’t stopped me, entirely; I ended up helping the original author debug a problem with a Pidgin plugin I was using, in part because it was running into an issue I’d run into at my day job.)

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
6 months ago

@Weird Eddie

And math geeks who write algorithms probably all work for market research and social media (and organized crime!)

No we don’t… 🙁

Moon Custafer
Moon Custafer
6 months ago

@Naglfar:

I’ve certainly always felt the most boring tasks are the ones that are not intellectually demanding enough to be interesting, but are just enough so that I can’t think about other topics while I’m doing them.

Naglfar
Naglfar
6 months ago

@Moon Custafer
I agree. When I was in school I would often have homework that was very unstimulating but required just enough concentration that I couldn’t effectively multitask.

Alan Robertshaw
6 months ago

Re: Einstein

The thing to remember about his patent clerk job is that he specialised in scientific patents. You needed at least a masters degree to qualify for the role. Even today IP work is the highest paying law gig.

As for the rest. A mate of mine works on the bins. They make more money from all the old Star Wars toys and similar than they do in wages.

And when I was in London there was a street sweeper guy on the Strand. He would do loads of overtime for eight months of the year, then spend the rest of the time travelling. He’d been to some amazing places; and knew a lot about places like Manchu Pichu (sp?)

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
6 months ago

Wow. New look. My automatic dislike of change isn’t terribly happy … 😛

@Naglfar

Aye – Custer’s Revenge were you trying to navigate a pink sausage in a hat through virtually invisible arrows to rape a pink sausage near a cactus. Having said that, it were still more tasteful than Leisure Suit Larry.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 months ago

Wow. New look. My automatic dislike of change isn’t terribly happy … 😛

Haaaaaate the new look. Hate. LOL Functionality has been lost.

Dalillama
6 months ago

There’s no labour/trade/profession that’s inherently degrading. There are lots of circumstances under which people work that are inherently degrading, but that’s a separate matter.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Off topic, but definitely related to the topic of this blog, I tweeted about street harassment and some creep made a whole ass thread ranting about it and is now trying to find out how attractive I am and what pickup lines might.
https://twitter.com/LegOfBeeste/status/1301617915569950720?s=20

Since I don’t have tons of followers I am definitely not used to this kind of bullshit, but I’m not surprised either because I’m a woman on the internet.

Love when creeps make the entire point for you! I might have to block this dipshit eventually, but for now, it’s kind of funny.

Naglfar
Naglfar
6 months ago

Can’t say I’m a fan of this new look, but I’ll probably get used to it. Is there any way to shrink the font size of the post titles, it takes up the whole page on my computer and I have to scroll down to see any of the post. Or, is there a way to increase the number of recent comments shown? It used to show 8, now there are just 5.

Teyuna
Teyuna
6 months ago

The new look hurts my eyes 😬

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
6 months ago

Re: Hating new look

Is it bad on desktops or something? I’ve only seen it on mobile but I can’t perceive what functionality has been lost, it seems like nothing special but nothing bad, maybe slightly preferable to the old one. Is it a colorblind issue that I’m not aware of?

Naglfar
Naglfar
6 months ago

@Big Titty Demon
It just seems like the sizes make it a bit harder to use. On my phone I need to do more scrolling. And because the comments background coloring is different it’s a little harder for me to read but not impossible.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
6 months ago

@ Big Titty Demon

Is it bad on desktops or something?

It makes the desktop site look more like the mobile site. Navigating pages on a particular post is difficult. You have to scroll all the way to the bottom to get to newest comments. The fonts are HUUUUUGE and take up a ton of the page.

Alan Robertshaw
6 months ago

Re: Jobs again

It’s funny how surgeons were once considered to be the lowest of the low. Even when they parted from barbers they were still looked down on by doctors because they learned by apprenticeship rather than university.

Which incidentally is why here, even though surgeons now go through med school, they’re still called ‘Mister’ not doctor when they qualify.

Makes you wonder what professions in the future will drastically change status. I can see waste management becoming a highly regarded area when all the environmental catastrophe stuff kicks in.

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
6 months ago

You also can’t jump to page one of the comments – got to scroll all the way to the bottom, hit “Older Comments,” then scroll all the way to the bottom to see if you’re on the first page of comments or not.
Not terrible for a current thread, but really annoying for archive crawling.

Beh – the nebulous “they” says change is good – keeps your mind flexible. Apparently. 😛