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Men’s Rights activist: Ron Jeremy’s rape charges are part of a plot by feminists angry that “he isn’t the gorgeous stud they demand”

By David Futrelle

On Monday, porn star Ron Jeremy was hit with 20 new charges of rape or sexual assault involving 12 women and a teenage girl, on top of the charges he already faced for allegedly raping or assaulting four women.

As plausible as these charges against a man infamous for regularly groping women in public may look to you and me, the charges have been met with everything from skepticism to outright derision by Men’s Rights activists, who rarely run across rape allegations they aren’t ready to dismiss as false.

“It seems like a setup,” wrote one Reddit MRA in response to the original charges announced some two months ago.

[T]he man use to film three to four movies a day, no one would invite a man known as “The Ass Master” over to their house to hang out one on one without expecting sex.

“[H]e works in porn so he will obviously would have boinked some women,” added another Reddit MRA.

It’s like suing someone for groping you because he had to do CPR on you, and accidentally touched you on your breasts.

Well, no, it’s not like that at all.

But the strangest theory about the accusations I’ve run across in the Men’s Rights subreddit came from a fellow called omegaphallic, one of Jeremy’s most vociferous defenders. According to him, the accusations are part of a plot hatched by evil feminists who hate Jeremy because he’s not hot enough for their tastes.

“The Feminists have HATED Ron Jeremy for decades,” omegaphallic declared.

[A]nd the feminists in porn having been gunning for him, they wanted him out of the industry because he isn’t the gorgeous stud they demand out of Male pornstars,

Wait, what? I was not aware that the world’s feminists had a position on the minimum gorgeousness of male porn performers.

[H]e fuck above his Station, has gorgeous woman asking to have their boobs autographed, and yet he looks like your savage overweight working class Joe. So I’m not surprised about these BS accusations against him. They won’t rest until he is ruined.

Meanwhile, over on the Incels.co forums, one commenter has a similar theory.

“Ron Jeremy’s only crime is that he is not a Chad,” a regular commenter called Metabuxx wrote in a post today.

Ron Jeremy isn’t on trial for being a rapist. He’s on trial for having the audacity to fuck many women despite being a subhuman.

MRAs and incels, two sides of the same shitty coin.

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Naglfar
Naglfar
5 months ago

[T]he man use to film three to four movies a day, no one would invite a man known as “The Ass Master” over to their house to hang out one on one without expecting sex.

Umm…just because someone does something as a job doesn’t mean they should do it to everyone they meet. If I invited a professional boxer to my house, that wouldn’t give them license to punch me in the head.

Also, how on Earth did he film 4 movies a day? Didn’t he get tired and sore?

I was not aware that the world’s feminists had a position on the minimum gorgeousness of male porn performers.

I’ve noticed ever MRA seems to think there is only one official feminist position, with no dissent, and it’s a tell every time. Same with how conservatives think that everyone to the left of Trump thinks the same thing.

Ron Jeremy’s only crime is that he is not a Chad

He’s had sex with thousands of women. How on Earth is he not a Chad in their eyes? If he was a beta, how would that have ever happened? The gynocracy would never allow it.

I’m quite surprised none of them noticed that Ron Jeremy is Jewish (his original last name was Hyatt). I guess they can put their antisemitism aside for a bit to hate women more.
…and maybe that’s how they think he did this while not a Chad, maybe they think he had connections to some sort of international Jewish conspiracy.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 months ago

It’s the other side of the argument that a (female) sex worker can’t be raped because getting fucked is her job, that raping her is more of a property crime than a violent one. This is is a male sex worker, so he can’t possibly be guilty of rape, it’s just what he does and you’re a fool if you don’t expect that.

Ron Jeremy isn’t on trial for being a rapist. He’s on trial for having the audacity to fuck many women despite being a subhuman.

If this “subhuman” can get laid a bazillion times, what’s preventing incels from getting laid once?

sunnysombrera
sunnysombrera
5 months ago

If this “subhuman” can get laid a bazillion times, what’s preventing incels from getting laid once?

Weak chins and short patellas!

But yeah, this is another flavour of “sex workers always consent” mingled with the stench of “men are always horny, what else should women expect if they’re ever alone with one.”

[A]nd the feminists in porn having been gunning for him, they wanted him out of the industry because he isn’t the gorgeous stud they demand out of Male pornstars

Porn has its problems but the hotness of male stars are the least of feminist concerns.

Ariblester
5 months ago

Ron Jeremy manages to have sex with many women. Incels go, “That’s unfair! His physiognomy should make that impossible!”

Ron Jeremy gets arrested on charges of rape or sexual assault. Incels go, “That’s unjust! This proves that the gynocracy is imposing looksism on men!”

Incels can’t ever be fucking happy, can they.

Saint Podkayne
Saint Podkayne
5 months ago

Aside from every other ridiculous aspect of these takes, Ron Jeremy didn’t look like what he looks like today when he started his career. They would have called him a Chad then.

Kimstu
Kimstu
5 months ago

Actually, back when I saw the 2001 biopic Porn Star: The Legend of Ron Jeremy, I thought he seemed kinda sweet and endearing (though I still wasn’t interested in watching his films or for that matter any other X movies). Was highly disappointed and disgusted to learn about his abusiveness in real life.

So no, incels, it’s not Jeremy’s ordinary-schmo middle-aged looks that are earning him so many enemies. It’s his own deliberately chosen shitty behavior.

Chris Oakley
Chris Oakley
5 months ago

O/T, but in the Massachusetts Senate Democratic primary Ed Markey just KO’d Joe Kennedy III. The Kennedy family dynasty has officially come to an end.

epitome of incomprehensibility

I was not aware that the world’s feminists had a position on the minimum gorgeousness of male porn performers.

Thanks for this sentence, David! The topic’s miserable, so I wasn’t expecting to see something that’d make me laugh.

Umm…just because someone does something as a job doesn’t mean they should do it to everyone they meet.

@Naglfar – YES, EXACTLY.

On that note, what @PoM wrote:

It’s the other side of the argument that a (female) sex worker can’t be raped because getting fucked is her job, that raping her is more of a property crime than a violent one.

Do people say this seriously?? 🙁 I knew there was a morbid joke like this, but if people actually believe it…*incoherent angry noises*

Kevin
Kevin
5 months ago

@ Naglfar

(I hold up my hand in a rather doddery way) – Five times a day was feasible longer ago than I care to remember, self service, and I don’t recommend it, you are right about tired and sore.

You are right there with the boxing analogy too.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
5 months ago

It’s the other side of the argument that a (female) sex worker can’t be raped because getting fucked is her job, that raping her is more of a property crime than a violent one.

Do people say this seriously?? 🙁 I knew there was a morbid joke like this, but if people actually believe it…*incoherent angry noises*

And the analogy doesn’t even work anyway. Consider a non-sexual job, say, a carpenter. If you hold a carpenter at gunpoint and demand they build you a house, that’s not merely a theft of services or stiffing them for the bill. It’s forced labor. It’s slavery. That’s much worse than just theft as well and is not considered “a mere property crime”.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
5 months ago

Where did my last comment go? I typed it in, hit send, and it was there, then I hit “back” and “reload” and … no sign of it!

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
5 months ago

And now it’s simply eating them outright.

<sigh>

AJ Canberra
AJ Canberra
5 months ago

And the analogy doesn’t even work anyway. Consider a non-sexual job, say, a carpenter. If you hold a carpenter at gunpoint and demand they build you a house, that’s not merely a theft of services or stiffing them for the bill. It’s forced labor. It’s slavery. That’s much worse than just theft as well and is not considered “a mere property crime”.

Carpentry is men’s work, and therefore different to all the irrelevant jobs women do.

(Sarcasm in case anyone misses it)

numerobis
numerobis
5 months ago

Umm…just because someone does something as a job doesn’t mean they should do it to everyone they meet

Wait so you mean if you invite me over, I’m not supposed to program you?

Battering Lamb
Battering Lamb
5 months ago

Also, how on Earth did he film 4 movies a day? Didn’t he get tired and sore?

Not sure about 4 movies, but the realities of a male porn star (well, any porn star) and the need to perform are, well, disturbing. Cracked.com had an interesting bit about it, so hopefully you can laugh a bit along with the cringe: https://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1386-5-reasons-being-male-porn-star-less-fun-than-it-looks.html

As for the attractiveness of male porn stars, I doubt it’s much of a priority. I’ve yet to see one I feel qualifies, though YMMV.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
5 months ago

AFAIK, most porns are made to satisfy men first, so attractiveness of the male performer isn’t that important.

Similar to how most lesbian porn is made to attract males.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
5 months ago

Umm…just because someone does something as a job doesn’t mean they should do it to everyone they meet

Wait so you mean if you invite me over, I’m not supposed to program you?

And I’m not supposed to edit you? Or even proofread you? Even if you invited me over? Something seems off about this.

Knitting Cat Lady
Knitting Cat Lady
5 months ago

So people actually don’t want a radiation protection evaluation of their homes when they invite me?!

So that’s why I never get invited for a second time!

Viscaria
Viscaria
5 months ago

and yet he looks like your savage overweight working class Joe.

Ah, yes, omegaphallic, you are truly a defender of the working class. As an aside, according to my quick Google search, Ron Jeremy has an estimated net worth of $6 million.

Lukas Xavier
Lukas Xavier
5 months ago

Honestly, expecting someone to perform their job function when you’ve asked them over socially is rather rude. They’re off the clock. If you want to hire them, call during business hours.

Naglfar
Naglfar
5 months ago

@Epitome

Do people say this seriously?? 🙁 I knew there was a morbid joke like this, but if people actually believe it…

Last I checked, MRAs think this, but they believe all kinds of awful garbage.

@Numerobis, Kat

Umm…just because someone does something as a job doesn’t mean they should do it to everyone they meet

Wait so you mean if you invite me over, I’m not supposed to program you?
And I’m not supposed to edit you? Or even proofread you? Even if you invited me over? Something seems off about this.

I guess I’d better be sure not to invite any hitmen to my house.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
5 months ago

@Naglfar

I guess I’d better be sure not to invite any hitmen to my house.

Or brain surgeons.

Naglfar
Naglfar
5 months ago

@Kat
Or nuclear weapon developers.

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
5 months ago

Never understood how Jeremy were a porn star in the first place. The few times I’ve seen him – mostly in interviews, he’s doesn’t do my preferred sort of porn – he’s given off an uncomfortable vibe that even my limited creepdar could pick up.

Naglfar
Naglfar
5 months ago

@Threp

Never understood how Jeremy were a porn star in the first place.

I’m told the main criteria for male porn performers are “has a big dick” and “can have sex for a long time then ejaculate on cue.” If he can do those things, that’s probably how he got to be a porn star. He’s far from the only creep in porn, there are a lot of male porn stars who have assaulted their colleagues off set.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
5 months ago

@Naglfar
A chef, on the other hand, might be a fun guest. Or a house cleaner.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 months ago

It’s the other side of the argument that a (female) sex worker can’t be raped because getting fucked is her job, that raping her is more of a property crime than a violent one.

Do people say this seriously?? 🙁 I knew there was a morbid joke like this, but if people actually believe it…*incoherent angry noises*

Yes, there have been people who have made that argument seriously. The rationale is that, because getting fucked is her job, if you “rape” her, you’re just stealing her services, similar to doing a dine-and-dash, or stiffing a contractor on the bill.

I have legit seen this. And it’s not necessarily limited to sex workers, but also applied occasionally to any woman who has ever already had sex. Only virgins can be raped by this rationale.

Naglfar
Naglfar
5 months ago

@PoM

if you “rape” her, you’re just stealing her services, similar to doing a dine-and-dash, or stiffing a contractor on the bill.

Do they not know that dine-and-dashing and stiffing bills are also crimes?

I remember the “sex workers can’t be raped” take coming up when a bunch of female porn stars reported being raped by James Deen. A surprising number of supposedly progressive people seem to think this.

I’ve also heard SWERFs push the opposite idea: that all sex with sex workers is rape.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 months ago

Do they not know that dine-and-dashing and stiffing bills are also crimes?

Yes, but they’re not violent crimes, and waiters and contractors usually don’t end up with trauma after being stiffed. That’s the point – it’s not the rape isn’t a crime, it’s that it isn’t a serious crime worth pursuing to any degree. It’s about minimizing rape and making it NBD.

Prith kDar
Prith kDar
5 months ago

The idea that sex workers can’t be raped is very common. The usual brush-off is that she’s crying rape because the john skipped on the tab. Police especially hold this view.

OT: does anyone know what’s going on over at Freethoughtblogs.com? I’ve been getting instant “504 gateway timed out” messages from Cloudflare all day, and they say it’s the site. Did someone ddos them?

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
5 months ago

Dunno. There’s no detail given on isitdownrightnow.

Getting the same thing, been reading Crip Dyke’s back catalogue over the last few days. Today – guess not. 🙁

Prith kDar
Prith kDar
5 months ago

Looks like it’s back now (yay!), but no mention of the downtime or reason for it, yet.

Catalpa
Catalpa
5 months ago

Aside from every other ridiculous aspect of these takes, Ron Jeremy didn’t look like what he looks like today when he started his career. They would have called him a Chad then.

But, but, but that makes no sense! Everyone knows that men age like wine! If Ron Jeremy was conventionally attractive when he was younger, then he obviously now should be at least as attractive as he was then, probably significantly more attractive.

Naglfar
Naglfar
5 months ago

@Catalpa
I know MRAs say that, but I can’t imagine they actually believe it. For one, if one of them started having honest opinions about which men are attractive I guarantee that their fellow MRAs would come down like a ton of homophobic bricks on them. And for two, I can’t think of any men for which this is true. There are good looking older men, yes, but most of them looked better in their youth.

On the other hand, however, it would appear that a significant number of cishet men are into older women, hence the popularity of MILF porn and the archetype in films like American Pie and The Graduate. So maybe the idea of men aging like fine wine is a sort of projection?

LindsayIrene
LindsayIrene
5 months ago

I don’t recall Ron Jeremy ever being considered attractive. I remember him being seen as a joke back in the early 80s. The only movie I saw him in, no one would have sex with his character so he performed an act of autofellatio.

Talonknife
Talonknife
5 months ago

@Battering Lamb

As for the attractiveness of male porn stars, I doubt it’s much of a priority. I’ve yet to see one I feel qualifies, though YMMV.

I know a few, but they mostly star opposite other men, so I don’t think they’re what the MRAs are looking for.

@Naglfar

I’ve also heard SWERFs push the opposite idea: that all sex with sex workers is rape.

I mean, I do think it’s worth questioning if a sex worker whose only option is to engage in sex work or starve can meaningfully give consent, but that’s more of a capitalism issue in general and it applies to basically any other kind of “unskilled” labor as well.

Prith kDar
Prith kDar
5 months ago

On the other hand, however, it would appear that a significant number of cishet men are into older women, hence the popularity of MILF porn and the archetype in films like American Pie and The Graduate.

Fun (by which I mean kind of irritating) fact about The Graduate: Anne Bancroft was only 35 when that was filmed, while Dustin Hoffman was 29 and Katherine Ross was 26. So the “older woman” Mrs. Robinson apparently had a child at 9 years old. Or from a different perspective, Elaine (Ross) was in love with a man 3 years older while he was infatuated with a woman 6 years older. Not really much difference there.

francis
francis
5 months ago

bill nighy is a man who aged like fine wine but I admit he is an exception

Naglfar
Naglfar
5 months ago

@Prith kDar
I am aware of that, I was just giving the film as an example of the archetype of the MILF in a non-pornographic context.

@Talonknife

I mean, I do think it’s worth questioning if a sex worker whose only option is to engage in sex work or starve can meaningfully give consent, but that’s more of a capitalism issue in general and it applies to basically any other kind of “unskilled” labor as well.

I think in that context it is questionable, but SWERFs say this for all contexts without any input from workers so I don’t think that really validates their idea. A lot of common objections to sex work do seem to be objections to capitalism in general, like how people are forced into many jobs because they have no choice but need to get money. In an ideal world, nobody would be forced into any job they don’t want, be that sex work or any other line of work.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 months ago

A lot of common objections to sex work do seem to be objections to capitalism in general, like how people are forced into many jobs because they have no choice but need to get money. In an ideal world, nobody would be forced into any job they don’t want, be that sex work or any other line of work.

Sex work and other types of work, even menial jobs, are intrinsically different. With sex work one is giving the client access to one’s body, which doesn’t happen for, say, shelf stocking. It’s more intimate, more emotionally dangerous, and just fundamentally different. I think that in a post-scarcity Star Trek world, nobody goes into sex work for funsies, or because it’s better to stay busy and engaged than to sit at home all the time.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
5 months ago

@PoM

One of the worldbuilding touches I liked about Killjoys was that sexers (their term for a sex worker) held a status roughly equivalent to hairdressers or massage therapists: people who delivered a personal service according to professional standards.

There was one sexer character who was specifically identified as married, and this wasn’t treated as something unusual. Being a sexer wasn’t super-glamorous, but it wasn’t surrounded with a bunch of taboos.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 months ago

@VP

I don’t think there should be taboos, per se, but an acknowledgement that sex work is different and not equivalent to being a massage therapist.

Being a sewage worker is different, too – not in the same way as sex work, but it’s a job nobody would go into if they didn’t need the money. Some jobs are not just jobs, but infringements on human dignity, and we all know that in a way because we don’t do them unless we are in a financial bind.

Dalillama
5 months ago

@PoM

I think that in a post-scarcity Star Trek world, nobody goes into sex work for funsies,

I think you’re wrong, and I also think I have a lot more personal knowledge of sex work/workers than you do.

or because it’s better to stay busy and engaged than to sit at home all the time.

Oh, plenty of sex workers stay home all the time. That’s often no small part of the appeal.

@Vicki P
Bujold’s Beta Colony has Licensed Practical Sexuality Therapists, who do exactly what it says on the tin. They need an Associate’s degree in psychology, plus some specialized courses, and are considered quasi-medical practitioners in the dame category as nutritionists or physical therapists.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
5 months ago

@Dalillama

Yep! The Killjoys sexers are the closest I’ve seen in TV SF to the Beta Colony LPSTs. The education wasn’t really touched on, but since the sexers were recurring characters at best, it was irrelevant to the plot. Plus the sexers we saw were working at a bluecollar establishment, so there could’ve been more educated sexers elsewhere in the Quad.

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
5 months ago

Sounds better than the treatment socialators got in Battlestar Galactica. (The original series – not seen the revamped one, even though it’s supposed to be goodish.)

Naglfar
Naglfar
5 months ago

@PoM

Sex work and other types of work, even menial jobs, are intrinsically different.

I am aware that sex work and other jobs are different in terms of how they affect people. But it is a job, and people do choose it. Many people are forced into it, and this is obviously wrong, but that is a separate issue than the work itself.

it’s a job nobody would go into if they didn’t need the money

I’m not sure this is true of sewage work either, many people choose jobs others may find unappealing.

@Dalillama

Bujold’s Beta Colony has Licensed Practical Sexuality Therapists, who do exactly what it says on the tin.

So, similar to IRL sex surrogate therapists?

An Autistic Giraffe
An Autistic Giraffe
5 months ago

it’s a job nobody would go into if they didn’t need the money

I’m not sure this is true of sewage work either, many people choose jobs others may find unappealing.

Plus there’s the issue that if somebody doesn’t do sewer work, you’re going to get cholera epidemics. And trust me, you don’t want to have a cholera epidemic. If you think covid’s bad read up on what that used to be like. If we lived in some sort of socialist utopia devoid of poverty, somebody would still have to clean the sewers.

Maybe there are better ways to incentives people to do the shitty jobs that some’s gotta do, like have popular culture glorify such jobs the way we do for soldiers or doctors or firefighters but yeah

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
5 months ago

I am not convinced that cleaning sewer is inherently degrading. It don’t seem worse than being a farmer or a construction worker.

I don’t think that all sex work forms are degrading, but what is usually thought as prostitution in the west is. And, of course, quite a number of prostitutes are effectively slaves, which is degrading.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
5 months ago

@Naglfar

So, similar to IRL sex surrogate therapists?

The Beta Colony LPSTs also served an educational need. There’s one character who is specifically described as having hired an LPST while she was a virgin, taking a course, passing an exam, and thereafter buying the particular pair of earrings that in Betan society signal “yes, I’m sexually active and protected by contraceptive implant, but I’m in a monogamous relationship, so don’t ask me for sex.”

Pie
Pie
5 months ago

@Ohlmann

I am not convinced that cleaning sewer is inherently degrading. It don’t seem worse than being a farmer or a construction worker.

I remember reading an article a while ago about a guy who did maintenance on sewage reprocessing plants in Australia which involved diving down into poop tanks to repair valves and stirring things. Pitch black, had to do everything by feel. He was all wrapped up in an industrial dry suit and a fully enclosed helmet so he stayed clean on the inside, and was thoroughly hosed down afterwards before getting dressed.

He described sewage as “brown gold”, because so few people want anything to do with it that the money was pretty good.

Even in the post-scarcity jam-tomorrow future, until robotics and AI get a lot better, there will be unpleasant jobs that need humans to do them. Its just that the nasty jobs will have to offer a lot more to persuade anyone to do them. Wiping asses down at the old folk’s home should be a lot more lucrative than boldly going to alien worlds on a starship… I guess Star Trek et al just forgot to mention that particular detail.

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