Men Going Their Own Way are as obsessed with female virginity as any fundamentalist preacher, and positively furious about all those women out there “giving” their virginity to men other than them.
In a recent MGTOW subreddit discussion of the terrible danger posed to men by non-virgin women one fellow called BetelgeuseDeux offered up these thoughts on the topic:
I laugh at guys who marry a girl who lost her virginity to another guy. It’s hard to think of a more cucked and pathetic thing to do, but it’s been so normalized now that literally every guy ends up doing this.
These guys think that any time a woman has sex she’s “cucking” everyone every other sexual partner she’s ever had or will have. And possibly everyone who’s ever wanted to fuck her. The only guy who isn’t getting cucked is, by this logic, the Chad who took her virginity in the first place.
Imagine paying full price, decades of financial and emotional support, to a woman who never gave you her virginity. She gave it to some other guy.
Women aren’t cars that lose value once they’re driven off the lot.
Her virginity, her innocence, is the most important and valuable thing she can give you as a man.
Only if you’re a creep who doesn’t think women are really human beings.
The first sexual experience for a woman is deeply, deeply significant and memorable, both emotionally and psychologically (the transition to womanhood), but also physically as it requires the breaking of the hymen.
First-time sex isn’t magical; it’s often awkward and even painful for many women, especially if the hyman is still intact at that point.
Most guys understand this at a visceral level, but laugh it off or dismiss it at as “patriarchal” or something. The facts and research also bear this out: non-virgin women and sluts are not reliable partners, and generally cannot pair bond.
[Citation fucking needed]
She will never forget the memory of Chad banging her brains out and giving her multiple orgasms.
And here’s the real source of all this anxiety: Women who’ve had sex with other people can compare their assorted lovers and perhaps find their current partners wanting. Only a guy who’s bad in bed (or who worries that he’s bad in bed) is so afraid of this possibility that he goes on the internet and writes little manifestos on the evils of non-virginal women.
I’m not going to call this guy a cuck — out of respect for actual cucks — but this really is rather pathetic.
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OT – but since I just this minute reluctantly closed and put down Network Effect …
Just wanted to drop in a thank you post for all the reading recommendations people kindly gave on the “Incels agree” thread back on August 1st. I’ve enjoyed nearly all of them (still need to read The Company of Death – there’s apparently a waiting list for it at the library).
Thank you all. Not only was the reading very pleasurable and the tales themselves absorbing (enough so that many, many times I found myself NOT speed reading – that is a rare treasure in and of itself!), but I do think it’s helped some with my understanding on being ace.
And … Holy hell, how did I not know about The Murderbot Diaries before! 🙂
@Monday Middlemarch
Plus, a lot of vagina-havers can’t orgasm or have a hard time orgasming from penetration alone.
@Monday Middlemarch : that remind me of something peculiar and common among misogynists : they act like it’s a bad thing for women to enjoy sex.
I am not sure they think men should enjoy sex either. It feel more that it’s a social obligation and a status marker than something they enjoy.
@Ohlmann
I think it’s far more about status than pleasure for them. This mindset is very destructive to the men who hold it as well, as it leads them to pursue mediocre sex and unsatisfying relationships. MGTOW sex isn’t fun for any participant.
I guess that’s why in Quebec we often don’t marry.
O/T: TERFs are now giving each other tips on how to groom children. No, really (link tw emotional abuse, child grooming, transphobia). It looks like all the times they called trans* people “groomers” were projection.
@Naglfar
Ugh, made the mistake of reading that twitter thread. So fucking vile.
It’s like they wrote their own fanfic version of how they think sex works and then got mad at their own characters.
@Some Chick in Texas
It seems like that describes a lot of right wing discourse, especially online: make up a bizarre straw man, then get angry at the straw man.
David, this IS a citation… the OP didn’t say “facts… bear this out…”
He said “THE facts… bear this out”
How much more citationistic can you GET?!?!??
Not all women have hymens to break the first time anyways
This is the biggest self-own these guys have ever posted!
The problem with women wanting Chads isn’t that Chads have more looks, or status, or money than the incels/MRAs.
It’s that the Chads are better lovers than them.
Which is a skill these losers could acquire if they weren’t woman hating losers.
@Bakunin – Yeah. First, they’re just thinking of cis women, second they think cis women’s bodies are pretty much all the same.
As if women are machines that only work a certain way. “Cannot pair bond” if not a virgin, it’s in the instruction manual. ?
@numerobis – Because of all the sex? 🙂 I didn’t know that was a Quebec stereotype, but we do have the webcomic Ménage à 3…
Sigh…
“Virginity” is not a thing you “lose”. It is simply a lack of experience vis a vis sex.
The framing is steeped in chattel based systems. It’s one of my pet peeves:
I never LOST anything starting sexual activity. And technically the only person losing anything tangible is the guy.
It doesn’t help, until modern times, being a virgin/losing virginity was almost exclusively thought of as a female thing. I still remember an otherwise progressive health teacher in highschool taking marriage customs of checking virginity that were still active in some places way too seriously.
Wait. Don’t MGTOWs think that women are heartless and soulless? Isn’t that your complaint about women?
Yeah, a guy is always involved in the transition to womanhood. He is required. Even if his partner is 40, 60, or 80. A girl has to have sex with a guy to transition into womanhood. That’s science.
Sadly, some women have sacrificed that ultimate gift, an intact hymen, to a horse ride. Or a bicycle ride. Or gymnastics. Cucked by gymnastics — that’s gotta hurt a guy.
@Nobody
I feel like that’s rather irresponsible seeing as if anything, that would cause children to place a heavier significance upon it.
@Epitome
If that was all it took to transition, my life would be a lot easier. Though I guess lesbians and ace women are out of luck then.
It’s also disturbing (though not surprising with from these folks) is that apparently the best and most meaningful form of sex needs to specifically involve a girl, not a woman.
@Threp
I have just discovered The Murderbot Diaries too. I love Murderbot!
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On topic:
As I understand it, the hymen is a thin piece of tissue left over from the formation of the vagina from a solid tube of tissue that hollows out from the cervix inwards and may be anything from narrow fringe around the edge of the upper end of the vagina to a solid piece of tissue across the entire opening to the uterus.
I believe Jen Gunter hypothesised in her book that the purpose of the hymen was to prevent the intrusion of dirt or infection into the uterus while the vagina possessor is young and therefore the entrance is close to the ground, and before they develop other protective structures like pubic hair, and certainly isn’t anything to do with having
PiV sexual activity, or not having it.
I’m pretty certain regular readers know this stuff, but any lurking MGTOWs and Incels (and any other misogynist) might like to learn something.
Also, as a uterus owner who hasn’t had sex, I have legally been an adult for 19 years. No mystical, ‘woman-hood’ inducing penises were involved. I just had to be on the earth for 18 years. Also, not a woman, but as far as I know the UK government doesn’t recognise non-binary genders.
@North Sea Sparkly Dragon
I will add that not all AFAB people have a hymen either, some are born without it.
The latter situation you describe, where it blocks the whole opening, can be a serious medical issue because when menarche occurs, there is no way for the tissue to exit.
My first time is seared upon my memory only because of its sheer horribleness.
It took a few decades and a lot of reading in feminist spaces to be able to think of it as rape, though, because I was participating willingly at first. It would still never pass muster as rape in a court of law, I’m sure.
And all because I was determined not to enter military service as a virgin.
Fuck these guys and their antiquated views; they cause real harm.
There’s a persistent memeplex among some men in this culture that ‘sex’ is something women/girls have, that men/boys take *from* them. Among other deficiencies, this has the effect of reducing the agency of women in sexual matters.
I’m sure that this is a feature, not a bug.
@Naglfar
Irresponsible and creepy as fuck. One involved having sex on a pillow so there would be “proof”…that was more often than not chicken blood.
All I was thinking was “Good luck getting me to go along with that!”
Imagine paying full price, decades of financial and emotional support, to a woman who never gave you her virginity.
Financial support? I’m pretty sure a MGTOW wouldn’t do that.
Emotional support? A MGTOW has none to give.
Besides, aren’t those financial and emotional supports supposed to be a two-way street?
@Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Ha, ha, ha. The MGTOW laugh heartily at your naivete.
BTW, my boyfriend admires your nym, particularly “Enstupidation.”