Men Going Their Own Way are as obsessed with female virginity as any fundamentalist preacher, and positively furious about all those women out there “giving” their virginity to men other than them.
In a recent MGTOW subreddit discussion of the terrible danger posed to men by non-virgin women one fellow called BetelgeuseDeux offered up these thoughts on the topic:
I laugh at guys who marry a girl who lost her virginity to another guy. It’s hard to think of a more cucked and pathetic thing to do, but it’s been so normalized now that literally every guy ends up doing this.
These guys think that any time a woman has sex she’s “cucking” everyone every other sexual partner she’s ever had or will have. And possibly everyone who’s ever wanted to fuck her. The only guy who isn’t getting cucked is, by this logic, the Chad who took her virginity in the first place.
Imagine paying full price, decades of financial and emotional support, to a woman who never gave you her virginity. She gave it to some other guy.
Women aren’t cars that lose value once they’re driven off the lot.
Her virginity, her innocence, is the most important and valuable thing she can give you as a man.
Only if you’re a creep who doesn’t think women are really human beings.
The first sexual experience for a woman is deeply, deeply significant and memorable, both emotionally and psychologically (the transition to womanhood), but also physically as it requires the breaking of the hymen.
First-time sex isn’t magical; it’s often awkward and even painful for many women, especially if the hyman is still intact at that point.
Most guys understand this at a visceral level, but laugh it off or dismiss it at as “patriarchal” or something. The facts and research also bear this out: non-virgin women and sluts are not reliable partners, and generally cannot pair bond.
[Citation fucking needed]
She will never forget the memory of Chad banging her brains out and giving her multiple orgasms.
And here’s the real source of all this anxiety: Women who’ve had sex with other people can compare their assorted lovers and perhaps find their current partners wanting. Only a guy who’s bad in bed (or who worries that he’s bad in bed) is so afraid of this possibility that he goes on the internet and writes little manifestos on the evils of non-virginal women.
I’m not going to call this guy a cuck — out of respect for actual cucks — but this really is rather pathetic.
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I feel like olive oil wouldn’t be a very good lubricant. It clogs your pores and makes skin feel weird, so I wouldn’t recommend it.
At least an actual cuck presumably has a partner.
Fun fact: by that guy’s definition, my father was cucked. Even though he’s had many more sexual partners than my mother, who has had two.
“… but also physically as it requires the breaking of the hymen.”
As someone with a Biology degree and extensive anatomy coursework… That’s not how that works. Having sex for the first time does not *require* the tearing of the hymen. Plenty of women never tear theirs during sex, or tear it doing other things. Like working out. Horseback riding. Tripping and falling in very particular ways. And plenty of men seem to assume this tearing and bleeding so goddamn ubiquitous that they ignore the fact that *bleeding is generally a bad thing and should be mitigated*. Seriously. So much discomfort, pain, bad yes blood can be avoided by communication and the right application of foreplay and lube.
@ naglfar
Olive oil was very popular as a sort of Graeco-Roman shower gel back in the day.
Mind you, so was using a sponge on a stick as bog roll; so maybe ancient bathroom habits aren’t something to emulate.
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rstb.1976.0080
This is one of those reminders that incels are not that different than any other men. They just take garden variety misogyny to its logical extreme.
@Miri
By this definition, so are the vast majority of men, my own father included as well.
@Alan Robertshaw
Nor were their thoughts on lubricant and sex, they advised mixing rotten olive oil with lead to place in the vagina as a contraceptive.
@ naglfar
Thank goodness that, nowadays, medical advice as bad as that is confined to places like Presidential press briefings.
Hey, at least these dudes (if they can be assumed to follow a consistent worldview, which is admittedly a bit of a crapshoot), are easy to avoid. You just need to mention or imply previously having sex before, and these bozos will fuck right off
@Alan Robertshaw
Indeed, with today’s science, only the best science, we know to use huge amounts of great American products like bleach.
How would these guys react if they meet a woman saying things like this:
Ironically, by this definition, my father wasn’t cucked…until my mom cheated on him. While he was cheating on her.
So…yeah.
MGTOWs really just don’t have a fucking clue.
I have pretty vague memories of my first time but Multipe Orgasams With Chad was really, really not it.
It was more like
https://youtu.be/LCRZZC-DH7M
Hey, the former prime minister of my country (Australia) and current UK trade envoy Tony Abbott once said that her virginity is the greatest gift a woman could give a man. Are you saying that he is some kind of weird insecure creep? because that would explain a lot.
So, is this guy a MGTOW trying to convince himself that his decision to “go his own way” (of constantly obsessing over the sex lives of strangers) is the right one, or is he actually an incel using this rant as “cope”?
(The actual answer is “who fucking cares”, but trying to guess the rationalizations that lie behind these outbursts is mildly stimulating.)
What an exceptionally long-winded way of stating he’s scared of sex.
Dude’s weird even by Reddit standards.
But yeah. He’s terrified of
And … now I need to watch that again. It’s a fun flick.
@Nagflar : that being said, rotten olive oil + lead do seem like something that would prevent pregnancy.
Along with everything else.
Olive oil shower gel? Not without a strigil, though.
Would be so great if biochemists could study silphium and it hadn’t been wiped out!
… funny how all misogynists sound the same. With the language just barely tweaked, this could be a fundamentalist of any number of religions (well, any number of offshoots of the monotheistic big three, at least, but probably a lot of others too over the last 12k years or so :-\ Holland’s Misogyny: The World‟s Oldest Prejudice is maybe mostly European/European-origin misogyny, but still covers a hell of a lot 🙁 ). And of course people are perfectly capable of being misoygynists without, as well.
Pity people like this guy can’t be given a nice alternative planet to go and live on :-s
Hmmm. Literally having difficulty recalling mine.
@Ariblester
Although MGTOWs and incels were never that different to begin with, it seems like recently they’ve converged even more and become harder to distinguish.
Second daughter’s comment was “That’s it? That’s what the fuss is about?” She were rather indignant about it. Made me snort, that. 🙂
(She and the youngest have always preferred to talk with me about the personal things. The other three girls and our boy preferred to talk to their mother about them. It would have been more convenient if they’d split three to each, but nope – let’s bug Mom!)
I keep zooming in on this:
Um. No. Just, no. You don’t turn a girl into a woman with your magical penis.
The idea of a human being needing to be ripped open like a package of crackers in order to be initiated into some form of completeness–and then basically being finished–creeps me out bigtime. It’s way past time the whole virginity …concept went into the trash.
Real change comes from within, etc.
Keep up the good work.
Memorable? Um… I sort of remember my first time. Kinda. I know who it was, I know where it was, I know we were both drunk, I know that I was okay with it. But actually remember the sex? Nope. Nuthin’.
Oh, and he was definitely not a “Chad,” and I did not have even one orgasm.
So many thoughts!!
1. It really is like these guys don’t live in the actual real world and have never met a woman. Have they ever had a conversation with their own mothers?
2. The first time doesn’t necessarily break the hymen, it can break with tampon usage or other reasons too numerous to list. A broken hymen doesn’t mean you’ve had sex.
3. Multiple orgasms? Uh… probably not. You generally have to practice and do it a few times when a woman with a vagina first starts having P in V sex to have a single orgasm let alone multiple.
4. The first time never ends up being as the special, magical, transcendent event you think it will be. This guy is just subliminally admitting that he’s never had sex, with a woman.
5. A woman is a person, not a Limited Edition ‘New in Box’ Barbie Doll. Being the first person to ‘open her package’ doesn’t make her imprint on you for life. He obviously thinks that if a man takes a woman’s virginity, he essentially owns her for life.
6. This guy needs to grow up and join the adults in the adult world – offline.