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Should I change the name of the blog to “We Invented Your Fucking Tampoons, for Fucks Sake?”

By David Futrelle

Maybe it’s time to change the name of this blog.

As many of you know, the current name is an ironic reference to a rant by one MRA type who was angry that women weren’t showing the proper gratitude for all that men had allegedly done for them over the centuries, and who at one point in his rant blurted out “we hunted the mammoth to feed you,” as if he himself were some sort of manly mammoth slayer instead of just some dude ranting on the internet. (Never mind that our ancient ancestors mostly ate plants and smaller game as opposed to these giant monsters with sharp tusks who could easily kill them.)

“We Hunted the Mammoth” has served ably as the name of this blog for years. But now I’m wondering if I should rename it “We Invented Your Fucking Tampoons [sic], for Fucks Sake,” in homage to this exceedingly angry rant from the Incels.co forums.

[RageFuel] How dare women disrespect men when we gave them everything they have now?

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Bitch, we built the fucking society you're benefiting from so much. We allow you to work, vote, we gave you rights, we created the medicines and technology you use every day. We gave you education to learn to bitch about how misogynistic (ugly) men are. We invented your fucking tampoons, for fucks sake. You're so stupid that you wouldn't be able to survive a week without being a whore on OnlyFans. And you dare to tell me on my face I'm too ugly to date you're used up ass? Fuck you whore, I hope you get raped on a empty alley

Who’s this “we,” dude? You haven’t built or invented anything. You can’t claim credit for all the achievements of men throughout the centuries any more than a woman can claim credit for everything women have done to keep civilization running. Wishing rape on someone — real or imaginary, I can’t tell — who turned you down for a date is not an accomplishment. Nor, it goes without saying, are attitudes like this particularly conducive to getting dates in the future.

On the Incels.co forums, of course, almost all the commenters agreed with Uglyme. “Amen. A fucking men,” wrote a commenter called TheLastSorrow, declaring women to be “[t]he most ungrateful gender hands down. They deserve to get abused.”

VinventVanCock agreed, praising Uglyme’s rant as “[p]oetry, hoes should be beaten and enslaved to learn manners.”

Meanwhile, someone called Copexodius_Maximus suggested that Chads were as lazy and ungrateful as women.

Males have to do all that stuff cause we are inferior and have to make up for our ugliness in order to attract women. Chads don’t need to innovate or build, women throw themselves at them, and even take care of them like Jeremy Meeks. Women don’t need to build shit even if they could because they can mostly all attract mates without money or status.

Women love beta males for building society for them, so they can be safe and comfortable enough to fuck Chad more.

Mainlander complained that women aren’t giving out gratitude sex to men for allegedly building the world:

Women are not very good at gratitude and they are utterly incapable of even thinking about doing something sexual or romantic out of gratitude.

“Gratitude sex” is not a thing. It’s especially not a thing when the men demanding it 1) haven’t done anything worthy of gratitude and 2) are so steeped in misogynistic hate that it seeps out their pores.

PS: I’m not going to change the name of the blog.

H/T — ExpelIncels

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LindsayIrene
LindsayIrene
4 months ago

Women invented tampons thousands of years ago. Then some man patented them so he could profit and now he gets all the credit. Fucking typical.

Aron
Aron
4 months ago

@LindsayIrene Yeah, but what about TAMPOONS?

LindsayIrene
LindsayIrene
4 months ago

Is that a cross between a harpoon and a tampon?

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 months ago

I say keep the Mammoth name. It’s easier to type into a browser than http://www.weinventedyourfuckingtampoonsforfuckssake.com. And it’s less of a mouthful.

Though the domain is available if anyone wants to buy it.

Males have to do all that stuff cause we are inferior

Wait, if men are inferior why should they be in charge? At least white supremacists are consistent when they say white people are the “master race” and should be in charge, unlike incels who think they’re inferior but still deserve to be in charge.

Re: tampoons, all I can think about is that MGTOW Sandman who made the video about how women’s butts cause war and there will be World War Tampon, but now we should call it World War Tampoon.

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
4 months ago

Tampoon reminds me of Typhoon. Kind of like a heavy cycle, you know what I mean? Red Tampoon.

Whenever these incel types complain about women not dishing out sex to them in sufficient quantities, I can’t help but think they need to step up their performance at least a little bit, maybe learn about women’s erogenous zones, take regular showers, wipe their butts on a regular basis, you get the picture.

Nequam
Nequam
4 months ago

The “woe I am ugly” stuff always makes me think of this:

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 months ago

@Dormousing_it

I can’t help but think they need to step up their performance at least a little bit, maybe learn about women’s erogenous zones, take regular showers, wipe their butts on a regular basis, you get the picture.

Maybe while they’re at it they can acquire a decent personality, too. Being an entitled asshat is generally a turnoff.

O/T: In the realm of really weird racist incel takes, we have this new account that has declared that being attracted to Asian women makes a man gay.

Dormousing_it
Dormousing_it
4 months ago

@Naglfar:

That is weird. So, if a man is attracted to slimmer women, he’s either gay, or socially engineered to be gay? I was a little surprised when the man I eventually married said he found Audrey Hepburn, in her prime, to be very attractive. I was naive, and brainwashed to think men were solely attracted to voluptuous women.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 months ago

@Dormousing_it
I thought it was trying to say men attracted to Asian women are gay. The thing that sticks out to me is how it seems to fly in the face of the alt-right’s usual fetishization of Asian women, in favor of a woman who has slightly darker skin. The account had some other weird takes on women, but this one was one I’d never seen before.

Re: Audrey Hepburn
I’m not a man, but I would agree that Audrey Hepburn was good looking. I think a lot of men are into women of her type but don’t express it because toxic masculinity forces them to act as if they are only attracted to the type of women they are expected to be attracted to. The same probably goes for other women with different shapes or features, such as trans* women, fat women, tall women, etc.

Lenona
Lenona
4 months ago

Believe me, I TRIED to use use block quotes, but they only worked two out of three times. The edit function wouldn’t work properly either.

Lenona
Lenona
4 months ago

Ok, let’s try this again:

And, in some parts of the world at least, when the mammoth became extinct, it was due to…gasp…OVERHUNTING. Wow, what a smart move.

In the meantime, that part about men supposedly inventing all of technology reminds me of the 2010 article The Misandry Bubble, by the American-born Imran Khan, who is of Indian background and considered moving to India, but now apparently lives in a Middle Eastern country instead. In the second third, which starts with “Population Displacement,” he complained about childfree feminists in particular.

“Now, let me be clear; I believe a woman should get to decide how many children she bears, or even whether or not to have any children at all. However, a childless old woman should not then be able to extract resources from the children of other women. Fair is fair, and the obligation of working-age people to support the elderly should not be socialized in order to subsidize women who chose not to reproduce.”

Of course, he said nothing about whether childfree MEN should be left to starve too. Not to mention that childless people have always existed, plus those who lost their adult children, and they were generally smart enough to plan for their old ages, one way or another.

It’s a very long article. Anyway, here’s what Yurble said in response (not directly to him):

“I would like him to explain how women without children are ‘heavily dependent on taxes paid mostly by men.’ I have a professional career, and although it won’t make me rich, my salary is above average. Does he think that unmarried women are sitting at home like well-off spinsters in the 1800s, only supported by taxpayers instead of their families?
It does appear that he’s living in an alternate time zone if he thinks that only men maintain infrastructure and safety in society.
On the subject of inventions I do not see how you can look at several hundred years of history where women were not given access to higher education, capital, or the means to promote their inventions and conclude that most things were invented by men. One could equally well say that most inventions were made by white people, ignoring the social factors which limited the opportunities for non-whites for hundreds of years. By his logic, India is leeching off British inventions and has been for two hundred years. :crz Without a level playing field it is impossible to see what category of people is most inventive…and then you still have to answer the question of whether inventions are the only important contributions one can make to society, and if people who share characteristics with the group in question share the glory.”

omnishambles: “Do the childless get a pass in his utopia? Do you have to prove you at least TRIED and failed to get knocked up, or are you just left to rot with the rest of we harridans? What if you had a child that died? Or never paid taxes?
So many questions.”

Btw, I found an update from Khan. Interesting segment:

b) “As predicted exactly 10 years ago : There is still no organized Men’s Rights movement, in terms of protests, lawsuits, petitions, etc. In fact, there are individuals who pretend to be Men’s Rights Activists just to get donations from mistreated men desperate to fight back, but who have no intention of doing any activism. Any activism that actually damages the misandric apparatus is quickly reversed. Don’t give them any of your money or any other form of endorsement.”

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 months ago

@Lenona

In fact, there are individuals who pretend to be Men’s Rights Activists just to get donations from mistreated men desperate to fight back, but who have no intention of doing any activism.

Well, a stopped clock is right twice a day…surprised MRAs are developing any self awareness of their movement at all.

Valentin
Valentin
4 months ago

what men are desperate to fight back against? Themself?

Full Metal Ox
4 months ago

There used to be tampons mounted on a stick, so that they could be tamped in like guncotton into a musket; the term “ tampoon”—as a portmanteau of “tampon” and “harpoon”—could arguably be applied:

http://www.mum.org/kotstikt.htm

Penny Psmith
Penny Psmith
4 months ago

Language nerdery alert:

There are some historical examples in English where words that came in from French had the -on ending change to -oon. The two main ones that spring to mind are balon -> baloon and macaron -> macaroon (actually I think that maybe salon -> saloon can be included as well, even though here there was also some change in meaning).
So in theory the form *tampoon could have been a legitimate formation from an original (presumably French) “tampon”.
Except, of course, that linguistic change didn’t happen and the guy is just a dingus. Still, in some alternate reality English speakers all talk about tampoons.

IAmMarauder
IAmMarauder
4 months ago

Urg. If men are responsible for the education of the ranter in the OP then they have failed – miserably.

Three names off the top of my head that were instrumental to technology that the OP would use every day – Ava Lovelace, Hedy Lamarr, and Bertha Benz. All of them revolutionised their fields of study, and lead to advancements that made the world today. Not to mention those that are forgotten to history because they weren’t as famous, or had their ideas stolen outright, or were simply workers in the background while the man credited with the achievement was the boss…

Also; Here’s an interesting thought experiment – what would happen if a majority of the women in the workforce suddenly disappeared for some reason. Would men step in to take over their roles in the numbers needed so that businesses could continue functioning? A few would certainly, but would enough step up to the task?

We know from history that women would do the same if men disappeared. World War Two showed us that. Heck, even Queen Elizabeth II rolled up her sleeves and got her hands dirty as a mechanic. But would men do the same?

I wonder what the Incel types would say if posed with this question. Hell, I wonder if they realise how many women are in the workforce.

Tabby Lavalamp
Tabby Lavalamp
4 months ago

Naglfar, I read some of the replies to that tweet, and the fact that word “overweight” was applied to the woman on the right…

*head to bloody, splintered desk*

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
4 months ago

Bitch,

Right off the bat, I have to tell you to watch your language.

we built the fucking society you’re benefiting from so much.

Nah. You sat on your ass and yelled at women online. Also, you (or was it another incel?) stole Pepe. Even if you personally didn’t steal Pepe, you respect neither women nor artists.

We allow you to work,

Hey, thanks a million.

vote,

In the USA women campaigned for the right to vote for 75 years. Women won that right.

we gave you rights,

Every right women have, women fought for.

we created the medicines and technology you use every day.

Yes, some men did. Also, some women did. Not you though. You did none of that.

We gave you education to learn to bitch about how misogynistic (ugly) men are.

Some men educated me but you weren’t among them. And the women who educated me outnumbered the men who educated me.

We invented your fucking tampoons, for fucks sake.

You invented tampons and you’re also an educator — but you can’t spell the word. One “o,” not two. Use both hands when you’re typing.

Wikpedia (“Tampon”) says that many women in many cultures have used tampons since ancient times. Did you invent all these varieties of tampons? Just checking.

Women have used tampons during menstruation for thousands of years. In her book Everything You Must Know About Tampons (1981), Nancy Friedman writes, “There is evidence of tampon use throughout history in a multitude of cultures. The oldest printed medical document, Papyrus Ebers, refers to the use of soft papyrus tampons by Egyptian women in the 15th century BCE. Roman women used wool tampons. Women in ancient Japan fashioned tampons out of paper, held them in place with a bandage, and changed them 10 to 12 times a day. Traditional Hawaiian women used the furry part of a native fern called hapu’u; and grasses, mosses and other plants are still used by women in parts of Asia.”

You’re so stupid that you wouldn’t be able to survive a week without being a whore on OnlyFans.

Not a whore. And what’s OnlyFans?

And you dare to tell me on my face I’m too ugly to date you’re used up ass?

Have we met? And I called you ugly? And, paradoxically, you wanted to date me even though my ass is used up? I don’t recall any of this. (By the way, it’s “your,” not “you’re.”)

Fuck you whore,

Again, not a whore.

I hope you get raped on a empty alley one night by the ugliest motherfucker of your worst nightmare.

So first you educate me and give me medicine and tampons — and then you wish rape on me? You’re just proving my point: None of your claims is true. You don’t educate. You don’t create. You just talk trash on the Internet, trying to scare women. Also, you act as though you’re unaware that a boy or man can be raped by another boy or man.

Skydroid
Skydroid
4 months ago

That is such a good name. “We invented the tampoons” would fit quite nicely in the same vein as “We hunted the mammoth”

Look forward to the new art!

Malitia
Malitia
4 months ago

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile wrote on
August 30, 2020 at 3:27 am:

And what’s OnlyFans?

Content subscription service that allows creators to be directly paid by their watchers. Popular in the adult entertainment industry.

Seems to have especially earned the scorn of manospherian types when a woman managed to earn 2 million dollars (I think) on it in 24 hours once. I only saw the headline though, because it got reposted a lot for some strange reason.

Masse_Mysteria
Masse_Mysteria
4 months ago

@Naglfar
Not that I’m very familiar with the racist femininity ladder, but I thought that “billowing bossoms, curvy hips, brimming with femininity” were things that would stereotypically be associated with black women instead of white. Though I guess people like to spout racist stuff because you can just make up whatever you want and people who already share your beliefs will not care about consistency.

LollyPop
LollyPop
4 months ago

I don’t get why in the incel mindset, if you are attractive and confident, it’s “stupid” to use OnlyFans to make money. I mean, it seems to keep it’s content creators out of the trafficking, abusive, misogynistic hellscape that is the traditional porn industry, and it is a creative way to earn extra cash.

Set that against the “noble”, unChad men who are slaving away to build society in order to get laid (according to incels) and you have the perfect example of “work smarter, not harder”.

Lukas Xavier
Lukas Xavier
4 months ago

And you dare to tell me on my face I’m too ugly to date

She wasn’t talking about your looks, dude. She just predicted what was coming next.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 months ago

We gave you education to learn to bitch about how misogynistic (ugly) men are.

I don’t know about anyone else, but I don’t remember that class.

@Malitia

Seems to have especially earned the scorn of manospherian types when a woman managed to earn 2 million dollars (I think) on it in 24 hours once. I only saw the headline though, because it got reposted a lot for some strange reason.

It’s also earned the scorn of many of the sex workers who use it after that incident. Bella Thorne scammed some people on it, there were mass complaints and now it doesn’t pay out as often and prices are limited, so the smaller creators can’t make as much money.

@Masse_mysteria

I thought that “billowing bossoms, curvy hips, brimming with femininity” were things that would stereotypically be associated with black women instead of white.

Ah, but then they wouldn’t get to claim that white people are the master race with the hottest women (assuming those characteristics are used to define hotness).

@LollyPop
On some level, I think the incel hatred of OnlyFans is because it does keep women out of abuse. Incels want women to be abused, so they’re angry when there’s a way around that.

LollyPop
LollyPop
4 months ago

@Naglfar

I think you are right, they don’t want to stop consuming porn but also absolutely don’t want the women involved in that process to go unpunished for taking part in it. It makes sense to lash out at OnlyFans because it gives women more control and autonomy, and also has financial advantages.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 months ago

@LollyPop
I’d bet there’s also a more personal side: how many incels have sent dick pics to random women on OF and got blocked? They’re probably angry that the women on the site aren’t completely subservient to them.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 months ago

@Lenona

I literally don’t read your long quotes of other people. If you can’t make an argument in your own words, but have to borrow the words of others, you’re not worth my time.

Alan Robertshaw
4 months ago

@ penny

You could probably add dragoon, as in the mounted troops, to that list.

They were named from the shortened blunderbusses they initially carried; which were called dragons.

Some even had dragon representations on them. (Less than accurate) replica here:
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Naglfar
Naglfar
4 months ago

Something that sort-of counts is the doubloon, the name of which comes from the Spanish doblón.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 months ago

@lollypop : for them, onlyFan == prostitution, and making money off prostitution is immoral and being a leech. Women clearly should give that for free. I mean, to their husbands that they didn’t choose who barely bring a third of the income of the house.

Valentin
Valentin
4 months ago

I literally don’t read your long quotes of other people. If you can’t make an argument in your own words, but have to borrow the words of others, you’re not worth my time.

I dont want to defend lenora becuase their quots never make any sense but there are many times when actually, other peoples words are very useful. There is so many times when someone else said it better that to quote them is more clear or can give good evidence for something.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 months ago

I dont want to defend lenora becuase their quots never make any sense but there are many times when actually, other peoples words are very useful. There is so many times when someone else said it better that to quote them is more clear or can give good evidence for something.

If Lenona were quoting for that reason, the quotes would be shorter and there would be like 1 or 2 of them total in all her comments, instead of frequent as fuck and taking up 3/4ths of her wordcount.

Quoting someone for truth and quoting someone because you’re borrowing their authority has a fine line between them, one that Lenona has crossed every single time. But even quoting for truth is a delicate game, because you didn’t sign up to debate my textbook. Quoting my textbook in response to everything you say is lazy af.

Moogue
Moogue
4 months ago

Ah yes men, inventors of both tampoons and the idea that women can hold the blood in if they just weren’t so fucking lazy.

What? If all men get credit for inventing tampoons, all men get credit for being completely ignorant about how menstruation works as well.

@Lenona

Believe me, I TRIED to use use block quotes, but they only worked two out of three times. The edit function wouldn’t work properly either.

This thread too?

Ok, I have trouble with the buttons as well. So I just bracket the “code” of whatever I want in, (blockquote, italics, whatever), as if I was using html. (Don’t worry, it’ll make more sense with an example. Also, there’s plenty about using html on the web).

The bits of “code” that you are using to blockquote, italicize, whatever, are called tags. You have an opening tag, which will be just the command inside of 2 brackets, and a closing tag, which will be the same but with a slash in front of the command. The opening tag says, hey browser, do *command* to whatever I write after you. The closing tag says “hey browser, stop doing *command* to whatever I write after you.

ETA, nevermind, no examples, don’t have time to get them to work. Just go look it up.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 months ago

@PoM
Another thing is that she never links the source, and they’re all quotes from obscure material I’ve never seen with nothing to show whether the source is a peer-reviewed paper or a diary entry.

@Valentin
Haven’t seen you in a while. How are you?

kupo
kupo
4 months ago

I don’t know about anyone else, but I don’t remember that class.

I took a gender studies class where we learned about misogyny. But it didn’t limit the curriculum to just the misogynistic men, it included misogyny from all genders!

Re: blockquote here are the instructions again.

If you have javascript enabled
Method 1:
1. Copy the text that you want to quote.
2. Paste it into the reply field.
3. Highlight the text.
4. Click the ‘quote’ button.

Method 2:
1. Copy the text that you want to quote.
2. Click the ‘quote’ button; it will insert the opening tag.
3. Paste the text after the tag that was inserted.
4. Click the ‘quote’ button again; it will insert the closing tag.

If you have javascript disabled
1. Copy the text that you want to quote.
2. Type <blockquote>
3. Paste the text after the tag.
4. Type </blockquote>

Valentin
Valentin
4 months ago

@POM

I think, very simply, it should be that you make the arguement and then supply evidence. The quote can be like evidence. I understand that lenora is using it in a bad way, but I dont generally think using quotes is a bad thing.

@naglfar

Thanks I’m fine))) on board a ship.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 months ago

@Valentin

I think, very simply, it should be that you make the arguement and then supply evidence. The quote can be like evidence.

It’s also good when someone can interpret the evidence and explain why it supports their argument. Lenona doesn’t do this, she just gives quotes and expects us to know exactly what she means (as evidenced by regular statements like “you know very well what I mean” and the like).

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 months ago

@Valentin

The quote can be like evidence.

It’s only evidence that someone said that. It provides no evidence for the truth value of the statement inside the quote. If you want to claim something is true because X famous and reputable person said it is true, then you’re borrowing that person’s authority and that’s, like, the most basic logical fallacy.

Life is too short for me to engage with that.

Valentin
Valentin
4 months ago

I think maybe I’m not being clear- using quotes is not always about the authority of who wrote the quote. Essay is a good example, if you are writing about a poem you may use another poem, and quoted, to help show something about the one you are analysing. You will use the quote to support your point like evidence. To say, poet uses imagery here in this way, then contrast it with another poem, which makes your point more clear. So if in an argument, you may make a point about communism for example, you can use quotes from Lenin and Marx about the same topic, and then compare, to see differences and similarities. Then use this to support your argument. Or use a quote from some author on the topic you discuss, and compare what they say to what you argue about the topic, to make your argument more clear.

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
4 months ago

If you want to claim something is true because X famous and reputable person said it is true, then you’re borrowing that person’s authority and that’s, like, the most basic logical fallacy.

Word.

Figure there is space for it when you’re using the quote as a stepping off point for your own argument/interpretation, but certainly not using it instead of your own arguments!

Of course, there’s the whole “famous and reputable” bit in this case too – there hasn’t been a single quote she’s used (that I’ve noticed, anyways, I tend to skim walls o’ text) that hasn’t made me go “Who dat?”

Edit: And ninja’d by Valentin 🙂

Lenona
Lenona
4 months ago

Naglfar, somehow, I didn’t think some of the more hotheaded members here would WANT a link to a very long, smug, MRA article.

But here it is (note the link, at the top, to the 2020 update):

https://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html

(For the record, Khan is not from Pakistan, despite their having the same name!)

No, I never bothered to read all of it, despite the author’s claim that in the last ten years, it’s been read by a million people, many of whom have thanked him. However, “Population Displacement,” the part I quoted from, is about 1/3 down the page, just a few paragraphs above the small gray map of the world, so it’s easy enough to spot. (That’s actually in the second half of the article, since the comments make up about half of the page.)

And the reactions came from the Bratfree site. Yes, it’s a heavily profane and flawed site; I’d say at least one or two members think that MOST parents are an inferior race who aren’t even entitled to common courtesy. But at least it’s a healthful, refreshing dose of online antisentimentality and a demand for more self-discipline and civilized behavior, whether the members really care about overpopulation and environmentalism or not. In that sense, it reminds me of the classic collection: The Portable Curmudgeon, by Jon Winokur, which includes interviews, such as one titled “A Liberal’s Conservative and Vice Versa.”

Not to mention that Bratfree members are quick to go on the attack against any neglectful adults responsible for, say, a child’s injuries. Plus, they’re usually VERY kind and helpful whenever you ask for advice on anything. (Provided you don’t post as a parent or stepparent; that’s not allowed.)

On top of that, you can pretty much count on them to be anti-MRA, since MRAs will always be leery of women who truly don’t WANT children and are free to do whatever they please. (They’re also anti-stereotyping.)

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
4 months ago

@Valentin

If you’re trying to make the point that different poets use the same types of imagery, then quoting different poets using the same imagery is valid, because your argument is literally “other people said X” and then you quote them saying X. The same goes if your point is that different poets use contrasting imagery. Again, your point is that some people say X, other people say Y, and then you quote them saying X and Y and that’s fine.

So if in an argument, you may make a point about communism for example, you can use quotes from Lenin and Marx about the same topic, and then compare, to see differences and similarities. Then use this to support your argument.

This is different, because Lenin and/or Marx might be wrong! That’s the problem with using Famous Person Quotes to make your point for you. Lenin and Marx weren’t writing about controlled experiments that anyone can replicate; they, like many political philosophers, were just writing off the authority of their own intelligence, which means they can be wrong. If you want to quote an Important Point and then say, “This is interesting food for thought,” and then expand on what you actually think yourself about the Important Point, that’s a valid way to write an essay. If you just quote Important Point and punctuate it with, “That’s why X is true – Marx said it’s true,” then you’re making an argument from authority and that’s invalid.

But even if you’re using a quote correctly in an essay, that doesn’t really translate well to a living dialogue between people. Nobody here on WHTM wants to listen to/read a 500 word essay on What Marx Said And What I Think About It. And nobody wants to do that every time I write a response to someone else. One needs to know one’s audience, and the audience here is not made up of 9th Grade history teachers.

Aachen
Aachen
4 months ago

On the -on/-oon change, I’ll chime in with “poltroon” as another possible example of the phenomenon.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
4 months ago

David in OP:

You haven’t built or invented anything.

Now now, let’s be fair. We don’t know that this guy has never built or invented anything. I’m sure he put together some interesting Lego constructions once upon a time. (And then hopefully stepped on them, in an act of pre-emptive karma.) And he’s certainly invented an “interesting” new variation on an old rant.

Language-wise: bassoon, buffoon (though in French the word almost only ever means “court jester” these days), cocoon, doubloon, monsoon (though in French the first syllable is different too, it’s “mousson”), pontoon, typhoon, pantaloon, rigadoon. Not that I own a rhyming dictionary for some weird reason or anything.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 months ago

@Lenona

healthful, refreshing dose of online antisentimentality

Why is that a good thing again?

And anyway, we’d much rather you link articles than post giant chunks of text. If it’s linked, we can choose if we want to read it, rather than being forced to.

Re: bratfree
I’m not familiar with that particular site, but I am a bit suspicious of anyone who calls all children “brats.” I have no problem with people not wanting children of their own, but I feel like it’s a bridge too far when they start harassing other people for having children or even harassing children.

Valentin
Valentin
4 months ago

Pom- regarding Marx and Lenin, yes that’s what I mean, you can use their work critically and talk about how other people think on the topic you’re discussing and even say why you think think they are wrong.

Although, some people also argue that Marxism or Marxist-Leninism is a kind of science, social science, and supported by evidence and the theory of materialism, material conditions which can be shown/prove. But that is another discussion.

An Autistic Giraffe
An Autistic Giraffe
4 months ago

@Naglfar

O/T: In the realm of really weird racist incel takes, we have this new account that has declared that being attracted to Asian women makes a man gay.

Dang is Mabel possessed by Bill Cipher or something, because that seems really out of character for her.

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
4 months ago

@Naglfar

Re: bratfree
I’m not familiar with that particular site, …

I, unfortunately, am. And … there’s my benefit of the doubt tank suddenly and explosively emptied.

Anyone who favours Bratfree, or uses them as “evidence,” can fuck right off.

Lenona
Lenona
4 months ago

Naglfar, WHERE did I or anyone say “all children”? Talk about jumping to conclusions…

As I said, the members are in favor of civilized behavior. Plus parental accountability. The latter results in the former, for both parents and children, when done right.

In fact, the members there have special terms – and praise – for parents who actually make their children behave, and some will extend that praise to well-behaved kids as well.

But when parents INCREASINGLY try to justify their kids’ bad behavior, to the point where more and more of the better restaurants and cafes have to start posting signs insisting on “indoor voices” and such, and parents take offense at that, even though such signs are hardly any different from those insisting on shirts and shoes, is it any surprise that complaints about neglectful parents – and demands for adults’ rights – are on the rise as well?

(Many parents actually sympathize; I’ve seen plenty of parents complaining online about how they paid for a babysitter and went to an expensive restaurant only to have the evening ruined by a parent who didn’t get a sitter.)

When you think about it, kids shouldn’t be allowed to run and scream even at McDonald’s, despite the lack of waiters carrying hot coffee or soup. Why? Because you never know when some elderly customer might get knocked over and break a hip, and anyone might be having the beginning of a migraine, including the parent. If kids can sit quietly at home but not at a restaurant, then they can’t go there, for everyone’s safety.

And I find it incredible that anyone would ask why antisentimentality is a good thing. Since when is it NOT a good thing, as a rule? (I certainly have never heard anyone refer to it as a bad thing.) If all of Shakespeare’s plays were like Romeo and Juliet, wouldn’t most patrons and critics feel pretty ill after a while? Sentimentality is like sugar; yes, it tastes good, but you can’t live on it, despite the howls of protest from the addicts and the sellers. Or, as Jon Winokur, whom I mentioned above, said, in effect, sentimentality devalues genuine sentiment. Plus, curmudgeons “don’t hate mankind, just mankind’s excesses.”

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 months ago

@An Autistic Giraffe

Dang is Mabel possessed by Bill Cipher or something, because that seems really out of character for her.

You’re familiar with that person? The account seems to have only started a few days ago.

@Lenona

WHERE did I or anyone say “all children”?

You literally cited a site called “Bratfree” that’s about not having children. The wording implies children = brats.

the members are in favor of civilized behavior.

You said above they don’t think parents deserve respect. Those two stances are incompatible.

In fact, the members there have special terms – and praise – for parents who actually make their children behave, and some will extend that praise to well-behaved kids as well.

Ah, so as long as children fall into societally defined boundaries of what’s acceptable you’re fine with them? Ableist and cisheteronormative much?

Many parents actually sympathize; I’ve seen plenty of parents complaining online about how they paid for a babysitter and went to an expensive restaurant only to have the evening ruined by a parent who didn’t get a sitter.

There’s a difference between being annoyed that some parents act entitled or some children behave poorly and calling all children brats. There’s a hell of a lot of ableism inherent to this.

When you think about it, kids shouldn’t be allowed to run and scream even at McDonald’s, despite the lack of waiters carrying hot coffee or soup. Why? Because you never know when some elderly customer might get knocked over and break a hip, and anyone might be having the beginning of a migraine, including the parent. If kids can sit quietly at home but not at a restaurant, then they can’t go there, for everyone’s safety.

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said.

Since when is it NOT a good thing, as a rule?

Are you one of those alt-right trolls who goes around telling people “facts don’t care about your feelings”? Emotions exist for a reason and are often quite useful. Antisentimentality also often has strong undertones of misogyny (i.e. calling women “hysterical”) and ableism.

despite the howls of protest from the addicts and the sellers

Pray tell, who are these “addicts” and “sellers”?

Plus, curmudgeons “don’t hate mankind, just mankind’s excesses.”

Do you also talk about how “Western culture” is “too decadent”? That’s basically what you seem to be saying.

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