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By David Futrelle
So over on 4Chan’s /pol/ board, the anons are talking about ways to save blondes with blue eyes from what anons think will be their eventual genetic demise. Never mind that the notion of the “disappearing blonde gene” is scientific nonsense; these guys love to get worked up about things that aren’t true.
In any case, one anon proposes what he sees as a solution to this imaginary problem, According to him, those with blonde hair and blie eyes
should only breed with alike phenotype. There should be serious incentives from the government if they have 7 children or more. There should also be a blonde hair blue eye ethnostate.
I would say I did Nazi that coming but I sort of did.
But as bad as this is, another anon manages to outdo it with a proposal that combines racism and misogyny, and even a bit of antisemitism, into one giant casserole of terrible:
I don’t even know where to start with this one; in addition to being utterly repugnant, I’m not sure it contains even a single sentence that’s true. Fertility (or the lack thereof) is tied most to birth control and abortions than it is to rape or promiscuity; there are plenty of traditionalist married couples with tons of kids. Black men aren’t out there raping white women en masse, nor are they “savages.” While “forced seduction” is a thing in some romance novels, women in real life don’t generally fall in love with their rapists. Consent — or “concent” — doesn’t make sex bad; it’s what distinguishes sex from rape. Jews are not sending financial aid to people of color. Black people aren’t churning out countless babies in their “gettos,” and, in fact, birthrates of people of color are declining rapidly. And while China is growing in worldwide influence, there’s no reason to think that Jews will soon be sharing the throne with Asians as kings of the world. (I mean, they make up 0.2 percent of the world’s population.)
Is that it? I may have missed an incorrect fact or two; it’s hard to keep track with something so densely wrong as this.
@Snowberry
Same. Mine are variable and somewhat indeterminate – anything from fairly clear green to muddy blue to dull grey. Got grey written on my ID card and passport, as that’s the most common colour people see. (18 year olds DO NOT argue with induction officers. Not if they want to survive!)
Missus swears my eyes are mood rings and change colour depending on me being happy or irritated. 😛
@Naglfar:
Axial tilt, actually, helping stabilize the climate. Somewhat.
@Karalora:
https://babylon5.fandom.com/wiki/Ikarran
I didn’t hear the term of Kurgan hypothesis before, and as far as I know, it was something more specific since it’s something specific to Ireland, Turkey and the Iberian peninsula, and not to the whole of Europa. I didn’t find an internet link for that, the closer I found was that :
https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/new-study-claims-that-irishmen-descended-from-turkish-farmers-83217437-237788351
However, I distincly remember something about finding traces of the Tuatha Dé Danann in Turkey and/or Spain and can’t find more on the topic. Which is a bit frustrating to me.
@Surplus
Kind of an interesting coincidence that “Ikarran” sounds similar to the term the OP used, “Ikean.”
Ohlmann – it may have been about mainland Celtic expansion from Central Europe, which did indeed reach Iberia and northwestern Turkey a few centuries before common era. Ireland was another remote corner of the Celtic world; now it’s one of the few places where Celtic culture still survives. Someone may have just compared old Celtic cultural artifacts from three specific areas?
This was much later than the initial Indo-European expansion from Ukraine/southern Russia, or (before that) the introduction of agriculture from Turkey to southern and western Europe. The agricultural expansion is apparently referred in the story you linked to, and in Alan’s mention that Britain’s original hunter-gatherer population was 90% replaced.
AVN from the other thread is suuuuuuuuper concerned about white people dying out; I’m surprised there’s been no appearance in this thread. It ought to be relevant to AVN’s interests, so to speak.
Hair, skin and eye color don’t follow Mendelian genetics. There is a much more complicated interaction between alleles than dominant/recessive on a single locus to determine what a human looks like. Blond hair is not as simple as GoT would have one believe.
Paireon said:
“Then again it’s not like people like that are big on self-reflection.”
I assume you meant Don Feder, not me! I was quoting his column, after all.
Btw, in 1999, he wrote a column about the new comedy “Blast from the Past,” starring Brendan Fraser. From the IMDb:
“A naive man comes out into the world after spending 35 years in a nuclear fallout shelter.”
That is, ever since the 1962 Cuban missile crisis.
As I remember, since Fraser’s character, born in the shelter and taught only by his parents, has supposedly flawless, old-fashioned manners and can box as well as dance, Don Feder seized that as an excuse to rant about how, in his opinion, we would all be better off if most of the social changes of the 1960s and later decades had never happened at all. (In one scene, another young male character says “I thought a gentleman was someone who kept horses!”)
Apparently, Feder failed to notice the scene where one of the first things Fraser’s character does as an adult is to greet a black woman in a pseudo-polite manner that was clearly meant to make the audience cringe.
I once had a Someone (not the current Someone) who informed me that my eyes were “I don’t know, eye-coloured?” They’re a watery not-brown, but other than “pale” they don’t really have a colour.
I don’t think they need to be concerned because white people and those with European features are still considered more attractive than other races and those without European features worldwide. They’re panicking about nothing.
Unfortunately in my experience, I’ve felt like only white people are more socially liberal on average (i.e. more accepting of those who are gender non-conforming, irreligious etc.). Living in a white majority country for most of my life and in a rather white area too has skewed my biases with regards to race.
My local immigrant community has maintained their language and culture in this part of the UK I live in, which is great considering that when I visited the States, some of my distant relatives there could only speak English, but some of the values that my immigrant community retain on both sides of the Atlantic I don’t really agree with now.
@rv97
Uh, WHAT.
That’s a pretty general statement, asserted without evidence. “Considered more attractive” by who? It’s not like there’s an official attractiveness panel set up for all humanity.
@VP
I can say that skin lightening creams are sought after highly in regions such as South and Southeast Asia as an example of the perception that lighter skin is more attractive.
I thought that the fact that many people around the world don’t see themselves as beautiful and attractive because they’re not white, or that others perceive them as unattractive because they’re not white would be clear enough in demonstrating the racist beauty standards we have in this world.
Vicky P said
This old, white lady agrees! I find that, as a whole, white folks are rather boring. When we’re not being terrifying, that is.
Back when I was coloring my hair, I found that I could change my (perceived) eye color as well. My default ash brown shade, close to my natural color and used to cover grays made my eyes look blue. Whenever I decided to go auburn for a change of pace, my eyes looked decidedly green.
The only shade I’ve experimented with on my natural gray-to-dark brown ombre hair has been purple, which doesn’t change my blue eye color at all. Maybe teal?
@rv97
I don’t know how it is in other countries, but in the US the vast majority of vocal conservatives are white. There are minority conservatives, but they are few in number.
That’s still Mendelian genetics, it’s just not the sort of thing you can predict via a simple 2 x 2 Punnett Square.
Mendel was actually incredibly lucky that all of the traits he decided to study in his pea plants were D/r on a single locus.
Just realized Avn’s comment showed up on the previous page:
No it isn’t. Who should decide who reproduces? You don’t see the flaw in your logic?
Well that was full mask off.
What makes “criminal DNA” criminal? I get the feeling this is a dogwhistle about race. The majority of toxic masculinity I’ve witnessed has been from white men. Not Muslims, not Black men, but white men.
Go elsewhere with your racism, we don’t want it here.
@Naglfar
It did take me a while to realize this likely because my beliefs in the past more reflected theirs.
I’d say most of those who live in Europe east and south of Austria are the same too.
In my experience, I’ve not really seen as many persons of color who are vocal in their support with the LGBT+ community here in the UK, primarily because other issues may affect them but also some may have anti-LGBT attitudes too – my parents are likely against homosexuality (it could be different and I could be misinterpreting, but they have been raised from a Catholic background and I don’t expect those of that and certain other backgrounds in many other cases to be any different with their disapproval towards the LGBT+ community and/or homosexuality).
I’ve once encountered a gay Lebanese Muslim online who was struggling with his sexuality and how some of the local LGBT+ organizations he was interacting with he didn’t agree with because some wanted him to leave Islam against his will. Many of his relatives all seem to oppose LGBT+ rights too.
I’m quite frustrated because being LGBT+, irreligious and/or similar shouldn’t be viewed as a white thing but I guess as a result of racism in part, it continues to be viewed as a white thing.
I’ve occasionally wanted to be white because I could be more “anonymous” – I don’t have to be so tied down to a culture, religion or gender expression, because I wouldn’t be seen as betraying my kin and peers as badly (from both within and without) or something in this regard if I abandoned the culture and religion I’ve been brought up in and experimented with gender.
LOL and right after I posted about how this catnip of a post wasn’t luring AVN in.
Way to prove me a liar! Hah!
How about no? How about a person’s right to have children NOT be subjected to state regulation?
There is no such thing as “criminal DNA.” One is not a criminal because of one’s DNA. I could go into detail about the forces that cause non-sociopaths to go the criminal route, but that would be a waste of words on you.
There’s no misandrist like a misogynist. Yes, society must bemoan when men are violent. A lot of violence is socially conditioned, and that can be addressed. Sociopathic violence can also be addressed, and must be. Violence is not like a hurricane, where you either batten down or evacuate because you certainly can’t stop it. Violence in society absolutely can be stopped.
Let’s say, for the sake of the argument, that you are correct about this. Note: you’re not. But I’m going to give your argument its most charitable reading anyway, because even doing so doesn’t make your conclusion valid.
Your argument is that permitting criminal men to breed in past years has led to, at least, a large portion of men becoming genetically criminal and therefore women can’t complain about toxic masculinity. But it wasn’t women who had the power in the past to prevent the “criminal gene” to perpetuate. Women in most societies had no right to choose their own husbands until quite recently in history, and in some societies they are still treated as chattel and traded around by men. So your argument is that women can’t complain about something that was totally outside their control. That’s a bullshit victim-blaming position to take. Every post you make betrays your lack of good faith here.
Just go away. Go. The fuck. Away. You’re not wanted here.
@PoM
This is true, but I should add that not all sociopaths are violent or criminal.
Is that possibly part of why he pretended to be interested in feminism in the last thread? Because he thinks it’s women’s responsibility to choose men to reproduce with who don’t have “criminal DNA”?
His ideas don’t seem to have any internal consistency aside from the racism bit.
Test – my comments don’t seem to be coming through.
What the hell is criminal DNA? I hear this from the manosphere a lot. That women are to blame for male violence because women have sex with violent men. They never show evidence that “criminal DNA” exists though. And never mind that if criminal DNA were a thing, a big reason for it continuing in the gene may just be rape.
I’m also wondering, is criminal DNA on the Y chromosome or something? Why would criminal DNA mean men are still violent? Why don’t daughters commit crimes too if they have criminal DNA from their male ancestors?
Yes, this post was way ciscentric, but manosphere biotruths always are.
@Naglfar
I’m not sure it’s accurate to say criminals have been allowed to reproduce freely over the centuries. Yes, some have. Others were executed, exiled/shunned by society, castrated, or just weren’t “lucky” enough to reproduce before they died.
ETA: Also, what PoM said.’
ETA2: Sorry, folks – checking this site over my lunch break and I’m a bit disjointed.
@WWTH
TERFs probably believe this, seeing as they think Y chromosome = male = violent (except for TERF men + husbands who are the “good ones”). Not sure what they make of AFAB people who have CAIS and have Y chromosomes, or AMAB people with De La Chapelle syndrome who have XX chromosomes.
@VP
I didn’t say that. Or at least, if I did inadvertently that’s not what I meant to say.
@Naglfar
You didn’t. Please just chalk that up to me being discombobulated today (having to fight with the help desk at New Job) and being on my lunch break.
@VP
No big deal, just wanted to make sure I wasn’t inadvertently saying anything I didn’t mean to say.