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By David Futrelle

In 2010, men’s rights lawyer Roy Dean Hollander wrote an inflammatory piece for the men’s rights hate site A Voice for Men declaring that men might be forced to take up arms to defeat what he saw as the tyranny of feminism.

Several weeks ago, Den Hollander took his own advice, gunning down the son and husband of a female judge he had tangled with in the past; the son died of his wounds. Several days earlier he killed rival men’s rights attorney Marc Angelucci.

If you thought Den Hollander’s murders would have occasioned some soul searching on the part of the folks at AVFM, you would be dead wrong. Site foinder Paul Elam and others associated with the site offered no apoligies for publishing Den Hollander’s screed (or for a later post by Elam effusively praising him as a “real man”); instead they insisted to anyone who would listen that Den Hollander wasn’t a real men’s rights activist at all and had nothing to do with them.

On Tuesday, AVFM published a post by Gary Costanza referring to Den Hollander’s murder of Angelucci which somehow managed to avoid mentioning both his name and his previous connection to the site, referring to him only as a “demented person.”

Down the memory hole he goes.

Den Hollander – who killed himself shortly after his assault on the judge’s family – was not the only “demented person” in AVFM’s past.

You may be familiar with the name Chris Cantwell – he’s perhaps better known as “the Crying Nazi,” infamous for a teary video he put out after hearing that there was a warrant out for his arrest for several counts of assault at the notorious Unite the Right rally in 2017. Before going full Nazi, you see, Cantwell wrote a number of pieces for AVFM on such topics as IQ, the evils of gun control, and feminists “who demonize men and white people.” When, at the time he was writing for AVFM, I criticized his online harassment of some of his many enemies, Elam wrote a post defending Cantwell and advising me to kill myself.

Cantwell, not only a political activist but quite the gun enthusiast, has been a busy boy in the last several years; his rap sheet is too long and complicated to easily summarize here, but he’s served time for assault and currently sits in jail awaiting trial on charges of threats and extortion against a fellow neo-Nazi. Given his love of guns and his utter lack of impulse control, I think it’s kind of a miracle he hasn’t shot anyone yet.

Over the years, Elam has befriended and published several other men’s rights activists who frankly seem as unhinged as Den Hollander and Cantwell; thankfully none of them have acted out in the same way.

In Constanza’s post today, he urges fellow MRAs to “redouble our efforts” in the wake of Angelucci’s murder.

I would suggest that fans of the site do some serious self-reflection first. Is there a reason their side – and their site — attracts so many “demented” individuals? Perhaps this is not simply bad luck? Perhaps it’s because, to paraphrase a famous comedy routine by Mitchell and Webb, they are the baddies?

H/T — to Twitter’s @TakedownMRAs, who inspired this post.

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Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 month ago
StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
1 month ago

@Jenora Feuer

So much of what you say is valid x100 in my in person ongoing partnerships with my guys.

First, you have to know which buttons to push on the person you’re playing with.

It’s always a bit of a balancing act, and getting to know people involves getting to know where on the balance bar they’re standing, because everybody’s a little bit different.

Yes, yes, yes. In my art and partnerships we rely on lots of very empathetic communication long before we do anything at all in person. There are people involved besides just me and my man that I’m accepting as partner, people that we both trust so that there is a kind of neutral go-between. Like my mentor and another person who is one of my assistants. They spend as much time as needed and talking as openly as needed for him to feel comfortable expressing what is going to work and what’s ok for our interaction, learning about the physical environment we’ll be in so we all feel safe and so on. They communicate with him and with me back and forth so that by time my guy is with me he knows and I know how we will interact.

It’s like curation. All art collections need curators. People don’t always think of curatorship applying to performance art but it can. It’s people curating their own energy that they share.

Most of what I’m saying is that it just takes communication with a lot of sensitivity and patience.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Viscaria
I didn’t notice that comment of his. Yikes.

@Avn

BUT with the exception of black women, and black males not getting what they desire…and muslims going back to their nations.

Remember intersectionality? Attacking other oppressed groups isn’t helping women, especially when there are women in all those groups.

And what do you mean “going back to their nations?” Many Muslims are born and live in the US or other non-majority Muslim places. Are you suggesting they be sent to other countries just because of their religion?

As well, feminism isn’t about putting women above men. It’s about being equal to men. Feminists do not want to oppress men, we just want to be equal to them.

Dalillama
Dalillama
1 month ago

Yeah, I missed that one too.
@AVN
Just fuck off, you nazi garbage.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
1 month ago

So AVN is racist. I won’t say I’m surprised but I am disappointed. 😒

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@PoM
I had my suspicions when he showed up with a name that also happens to be the initials for a trade magazine in the porn industry:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVN_(magazine)

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
1 month ago

@AVN

What the hell are you talking about?

– If there were a way to get women, especially white women at the top, white males below them, and homosexuality completely and entirely accepted, and ingrained in the society, and abortions becoming 100% free and legal –

– BUT with the exception of black women, and black males not getting what they desire…and muslims going back to their nations.

– Would women, in particular white women, who are feminists, be willing to at least give it a try and see how it goes?

I’m a pretty generous person, with a terrible trolldar. But this is tripping even MY warnings.

I don’t think you’re ready for this place, if you’re actually here to learn. You need to sit and have a think about what the hell you just said. Because it sounds an awful lot like some creepy race-based porn.

And if you’re just here to get your jollies off…. Jeeeeez, my dude. Jeeez. You’re creepy AF. This is some very very bad behaviour. No one is going to want to be around you, if you keep bringing your boner notes into a discussion.

You also seem to have changed your email again, or it wouldn’t have got caught in moderation. You can choose a fake email, no one cares, but just use the same one so your posts will show up.

Or, if you’re here just for creepy purposes, don’t. We don’t want you.

Catalpa
Catalpa
1 month ago

– If there were a way to get women, especially white women at the top, white males below them, and homosexuality completely and entirely accepted, and ingrained in the society, and abortions becoming 100% free and legal –

– BUT with the exception of black women, and black males not getting what they desire…and muslims going back to their nations.

Oh for fuck’s sake. Didn’t take too long for the mask to slip.

Hey, dude. Remember how you talked about realizing that your previous misogynistic behavior was awful and dehumanizing and something you were ashamed of? Please apply the same thought process to these racist garbage sentiments. Black people and Muslims are people and they deserve the same rights, respect, dignity, and consideration as everyone else.

– Would women, in particular white women, who are feminists, be willing to at least give it a try and see how it goes?

– Out of pity, at least?

Any intersectional feminist would find your proposed idea absolutely abhorrent. Stop trying to recruit white women to your white supremacist cause by paying lip service to feminist ideals, it’s vile.

Also, out of pity for whom exactly?

StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
1 month ago

Yeah, I thought AVN sounded like a troll when he said the

“Since I am always at the risk of mansplaining” thing.

Like he thought we would just agree that anything he said was automatically mansplaining, so he could go back and say “oh, evil feminists, see they showed their true colors.” As we think there is no difference between any person of any gender talking about what they know and a man telling a woman he knows more about her body than she does.

Same thing with the putting women above men comment he made. Like we were supposed to say “oh yeah of course glad you understand feminism now” and he could maybe do another told you so to his creepy misogynists friends.

I don’t think he read anything actually we suggested.

I believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt first so I put my suspicion aside because he was polite and I know it didn’t feel good the time here when somebody thought I was a troll and other people told that person hold on a minute let Stacey talk. So I put my suspicions aside and that was right but, yeah, here we are with another gross creep and a Nazi too.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Stacey

I believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt first so I put my suspicion aside because he was polite and I know it didn’t feel good the time here when somebody thought I was a troll and other people told that person hold on a minute let Stacey talk. So I put my suspicions aside and that was right but, yeah, here we are.

This is how I feel as well. Since I know people can change, I tried to give him a chance. Even when he started asking questions about porn that had seemingly little to do with feminism, I tried to answer in good faith. But then when I noticed the racism part, that’s when his chance was up completely.

And of course I maybe should have realized sooner when I noticed what AVN usually stands for (see above).

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 month ago

@ avn

I don’t know if you’ll try to post again, or even if you’re still around, but just in case you see this I’d like to chip in as to why what you did was especially despicable.

Other people here have addressed the main points of your deceit with their customary eloquence. So I just want to add this.

You came here under a false pretence of good faith and asked for help.

That’s what is known as perfidy.

It’s a particularly contemptible form of duplicity. So bad in fact that, when committed in wartime, not only does international law permit summary execution of offenders, it encourages it.

The reason for that is that it makes decent people suspicious of future appeals to their good nature; and thus less likely to offer help, or even the benefit of the doubt, ever again.

Thus caution takes precedence over charity; and genuine supplicants are denied assistance that previously would have been freely given.

You are like the boy who cried wolf; but leaving other people to be eaten.

And that sir is why your actions are so superlatively contemptible.

I don’t know your motives and it’s irrelevant whether it was an attempt at trolling, trying for a ‘gotcha’, or some weird compulsion for sexual gratification.

But the net result is that you have abused the generosity of compassionate people and in doing so you have hurt them, and any future honest seekers of advice; and that makes you beneath contempt.

StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
1 month ago

@AVN

What is YOUR ideal feminists world like? In regard to the status of men and women?

Equality.

I already said that.

Also, your racism is repulsive.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
1 month ago

Given the sexual bent of later “questions,” I’d guess AVN’s motives were always a sex thing. A lot of porn is racist, under the flag of “don’t kink-shame me.” I will kink-shame the hell out of people whose kink is harmful, and racist kinks are pretty harmful.

StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
1 month ago

@Alan

I don’t know your motives and it’s irrelevant whether it was an attempt at trolling, trying for a ‘gotcha’, or some weird compulsion for sexual gratification.

It could be any of those or all. It’s probably the first, trolling. If it’s the last it’s probably because he’s read enough of who I am to get all obsessed but not enough to see who I really am and why my connection with my men is part of my art, and what my art really means to be deeply. And the creepy obsession is something he’s just showing here because it’s not in person. He’s probably the kind that in person would be fortunately too scared to bother me which is good because I’m glad to have one less such creep.

It still pisses me off.

StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
1 month ago

@PolicyofMadness

Yeah he evidently read enough of what I share here to know that I’m not romantically or sexually conventional but so TYPICAL misses or ignores no matter how obvious it is that I’m talking about something that I only do with men that I desire and have chosen and the fact itself that I’m with only men I’m really physically attracted to and no others is itself like an essential part of what I talk about. I mean anybody who even cares enough to skim what I write here would know that about me.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 month ago

One minor caveat on the equality thing. Forgive me a tortuous analogy.

Imagine if in Formula One racing there was one team who, regardless of how well they did in qualifying, were always made to start from the back of the grid. Half way through the season people realise that isn’t fair. So how do you address that?

You could say that from now on the same rules apply to everyone; but then the previous disadvantage would still carry over because the other teams would have had the opportunity to accumulate more points.

So a fairer remedy might be to allow the previously disadvantaged team pole position for a while, just until they have a chance to catch up.

Then you can apply the same rules to everyone.

So the ultimate goal is equality; but the best way to achieve that might be to allow some temporary favouritism to the previously disadvantaged team.

That make any sense?

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
1 month ago

@Alan

RBG was once asked how many female justices on the Supreme Court would be enough. She said, “Nine.”

@Stacey

I don’t know that he was specifically targeting you. I didn’t notice that anyway.

StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
1 month ago

You have a good way of explaining things Alan

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Can a feminist be 100% against lesbianism?

Wut.

Anyway. I was side eyeing this guy from the start but didn’t say anything because I’m always the mean one. I figured I’d hold off for more evidence. Looks like my instincts were correct!

It was something about all the questions about the feminist position on things. As if there’s one singular feminist perspective on most things.

StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
1 month ago

@Policy of Madness

Maybe he wasn’t. I thought he was addressing me all those questions because he headed my nym at the beginning and those were some of the questions he had wanted to target in to me. But it’s hard to tell so maybe you are right.

StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
1 month ago

I’m going to go work on sewing now. 🙂

I need some positivity.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@WWTH

It was something about all the questions about the feminist position on things. As if there’s one singular feminist perspective on most things.

It was also suspicious which things he was asking for perspective on, like Islam.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
1 month ago

@Stacey

Maybe he wasn’t. I thought he was addressing me all those questions because he headed my nym at the beginning and those were some of the questions he had wanted to target in to me. But it’s hard to tell so maybe you are right.

I thought he was replying to you because you were replying back, not because he knows anything about you and was specifically targeting you. But! I’m not in his head (thank the heavens) and can’t really know. Hopefully he will not return with his racist femdom porn ideas and clutter up the thread any more.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@PoM

Hopefully he will not return with his racist femdom porn ideas and clutter up the thread any more.

Since he keeps changing his email, presumably at some point David will just stop letting him through.

I’m just now looking back at some of his posts I missed originally due to the delay and YIKES. Real creep energy. Like Alan mentioned, in abusing our compassion Mr. AVN really just made things worse all around.

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
1 month ago

Maybe that’s why AVN kept changing their email, so that they wouldn’t all show up at once. It would look like we’d seen all of AVN’s posts (i think i’ve missed a few, based on the quotes people are using) and were replying to them, as if they weren’t… creepy, i guess.

For anyone reading the thread later, AVN’s comments keep showing up, way late, because they keep getting stuck in moderation. :/ on purpose…?

Avn
Avn
1 month ago

I apologize.

– As I mentioned earlier – I am not white. I am from asia.

– Since I can not answer to everyone, I will type every thing here, in one go, and in multiple comments.

– It would clear at least some of the dissapointments, I believe and hope – (continued)

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Rhuu

Maybe that’s why AVN kept changing their email, so that they wouldn’t all show up at once. It would look like we’d seen all of AVN’s posts (i think i’ve missed a few, based on the quotes people are using) and were replying to them, as if they weren’t… creepy, i guess.

That could be it. Since I was giving him the benefit of the doubt at first and assumed good faith, I assumed it was a mistake the first few times but got more and more suspicious after multiple people explained it to him with no change in his behavior. Another theory I had was that maybe he was planning to make sockpuppets but screwed up his own plan (given the kinds of trolls we get around here, not beyond the realm of possibility).

Avn
Avn
1 month ago

(continued)

– I dislike hitler. I dislike nazism’s hatred toward jews.

– Israel must win. Jews must not be allowed to perish.

– So great is the importance of the palestine war, that it might actually decide, in part, the fate of the civilized world in the future. It represents muslims against non-muslims on the most basic level.

– Jews, particularly ashkenazi jews, are a tremendous asset for the human gene pool, due to their intellectual traits. If they perish, their DNA will be lost – Which would be a great loss for humankind.

– Therefore, it is unity that is required, and not disunity, between jews and the white race.

– This was removed 3 times after being posted, on white-operated, anti-islam websites –

– Whites are the greatest enemy of whites.

– Let us press ‘R’ for paying respects. Not F

– So I believe I must be a nazi then, eh?

StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
1 month ago

@PoM

I thought he was replying to you because you were replying back, not because he knows anything about you and was specifically targeting you.

He kept calling me Miss and kept asking several times whether he should say Ma’am or Ms. and unless I misunderstood I didn’t see him doing that to others and he was directing those questions to me.
I took that as a tip-off that he had read just enough of me to see that yes I sure do love my femdom (my own version of it that’s original to me) but of course still misses the point that would be massively obvious to anyone who even skimmed what I put on comments here that my femdom interests are part of my art and spirituality and totally and exclusively for guys I’m physically attracted to and choose in my real life and that talking about them on a feminist blog isn’t an invitation to random trolls online.

But! I’m not in his head (thank the heavens) and can’t really know.

Same. Especially the “thank heavens”

Hopefully he will not return with his racist femdom porn ideas and clutter up the thread any more.

He has no idea about femdom, certainly not mine. Ugh.

Avn
Avn
1 month ago

I mentioned JOI pornography because, I read that hardcore pornography is disrespectful toward women, and should be avoided, and since JOI pornography is –

– Not hardcore
– Has little to no men
– It is mostly just the woman herself making the video her own self.
She is being pro-choice which is a positive outcome.

– And this is why I mentioned it.

Avn
Avn
1 month ago

The problem with individuals like @ Alan Robertshaw is that they have, in their own minds, convinced themselves, that they are wise.

– It is done through the self-conditioning of the subconscious brain.

– The reason why I say is that, individuals like these, are the ones sabotaging from within, the white race, which includes white women.

– If white men were to die out tomorrow – So will white women.

– The reader should try and let this ‘sink in’ to his subconscious brain.

– All the feminism and effort toward ‘social justice’ in the world, put together, would not be able to compensate for the fact that you are not extant in the first place, anymore, to reap the benefits of it.

(Continued)

Avn
Avn
1 month ago

Therefore, individuals like alan, serve the purpose of a kind of subtle ‘fifth column’ that does not necessarily seem as such, but indeed, has the tantamount effect.

– And with the exception of the current hazy period, fifth column individuals were shot dead.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Stacey
He also had some really creepy race fetish stuff going on.

The grossest part to me was when he was asking all the questions about porn. I naïvely answered them because I was still giving just a tiny bit of benefit of the doubt (at that point I hadn’t yet read his racist part), trying to answer honestly. In retrospect, he probably got off on me answering those questions, which in my book is really gross and exploitative because I didn’t consent to my writing being used for sexual gratification.

Avn
Avn
1 month ago

– Think of the human existence as a tree –

– The foundation of this tree, the root, is survival – Everything else is merely an ‘addition’ upon this foundation. All the scientific progress, technological achievements, cures for diseases – These are all branches of this tree, with survival being the root of the tree.

– Without the root, there can be no tree. Which means, without ensuring survival, there can be no human existence.

– And ensuring survival can not be achieved without self-preservation.

—>No preservation of self —> No preservation of one’s own kind —> No preservation of one’s own society —> No survival.

– And no survival = The end.

Game over.

StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
1 month ago

And just to be really clear I would never want to kink shame anyone and should be the very last person ever to do that. If the questions were just like neutral and respectful about like “how do you see what you do with your men as part of your art and why is that attacking patriarchy” I mean I am definitely open and comfortable answering.

But that wasn’t AVN. The whole thing of “first we must define feminism and then you will truly see I am on your side because racist Nazi racist racist.” and all the “Well I know now like all feminists think that bullshit bullshit.” plus the other stuff I said before piss me off by being obviously racist creep trolling.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Well, if someone wants to be mad about Muslims, immigrants and people of color, Ilhan Omar defeated her primary candidate tonight, despite big money pushing another guy.

StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
1 month ago

@Naglfar

Yeah I was about thinking the same and was about to write something thoughtful in response to the porn questions too but his racist stuff came through right then.

I mean I think if it’s not creepy like he was, I do think talking about various specific things as more or less aligned with sex-positive feminism than other specific things is ok as long as it doesn’t make others uncomfortable. And I know I did that once and kupo pointed it out to me nicely without kink-shaming and I have tried to be more respectful of the community and will keep trying to because the regulars here are wonderful.

But AVN was not like that and had his gross agenda.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Stacey

And just to be really clear I would never want to kink shame anyone and should be the very last person ever to do that.

I’m not trying to kink shame either, I just think consent of all involved parties is needed. He didn’t have any of our consent when he posted his sexual stuff here, and that was a problem.

StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
1 month ago

@Naglfar

You weren’t kink-shaming. And you also sum things up well.

Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meanie
Redsilkphoenix: Jetpack Vixen, Intergalactic Meanie
1 month ago

@ StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved,

I’m going to go work on sewing now. 🙂

I need some positivity.

I don’t know if this would cheer you up any, but I was recently listening to this 1980’s Bannanarama song (Venus) and thinking about how parts of the official video kinda reminded me of how you describe what you do with your guys.

https://youtu.be/d4-1ASpdT1Y

The two characters in particular that most reminded me of what you describe are the black-haired witch (?) with the huuuuuge cape, and the she-devil in red vinyl.

Hopefully you will enjoy the 1980’s remake of this 1960’s (?) song.

ETA: Wiki says it was first done by Dutch band Shocking Blue.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_(Shocking_Blue_song)

Ariblester
1 month ago

Re: AVN

That was a rather, er, interesting read. I wonder what it means to be “Asian, White-ish”? North Indian? Central Asian? Chinese?

His argument circles back to the patriarchal canard of “women are the key to the continued existence of the species”, which is A) putting women on a pedestal, so not feminist in the least B) homophobic and C) transphobic. Pick up The Handmaid’s Tale to see where that attitude leads, why don’t ya. Women don’t deserve rights because they are useful; women deserve rights because they are people!

And then he had to bring race and religion into it, with implied approval for ethno-states.

Does he honestly think that “if white women received more rights than white men, but at the expense of the rights of PoC, would you accept it (also Muslims go home)” is a useful thought experiment? A strategic “gotcha” meant to spur oneself to interrogate some hidden parochialism?

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 month ago

I never bothered to answer to AVN because every single of his post looked like a troll. I am still sad to have been right.

I have discussed the aforementioned canard about females being necessary for specie survival, and it have been pointed to me that it’s pretty much wrong. The thing is, each children require 10 to 20 years of care, of which only 9 months is woman-exclusive ; and a woman can sire 10 to 15 children reasonably with modern care. So actually, what is important is genetic diversity, much much more than men or women. If you have 9 women for each men, you’re probably in just the same jam as the opposite, because the minority sex will need to be carefully monitored to keep the same population, to avoid inbreeding.

In the past that might have been *slightly* more true because worse healthcare mean women had a real chance of dying at each pregnancy. That being said, it was never in the proportion needed for that canard. You alway could have something like 1 women for 2 men ratio and not have more problem than the opposite.

And, to boot, it’s not like they *ever* was such an imbalance. 60%/40% is the biggest I have heard of, and of course the main problem is societal much more than anything biological.

Saying that women are more needed for specie survival is generally speaking a big biology fail in addition to being humanly horrible. And yes, I find it important to point out that the far right isn’t just inhuman, they are also *wrong*. They often try to hide being the excuse of their ideas being ugly but necessary, or ugly but realistic. They almost never are.

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
1 month ago

@AVN your vile racist fantasies will get no traction here (and you must be pretty stupid to think that they would. From the instant you show your hand and start talking about race, you go from just-possibly-in-good-faith to yet-another-creep).

Piss off.

Avn
Avn
1 month ago

(CONTINUED)

– There is always a race going on between those groups that can reproduce enough and those that can not – Because the entire game of humankind depends on – Survival.

– More than 99% of all species, amounting to over 5 billion species, that have ever lived on earth, are estimated to have gone extinct. 99 percent. The reader should try and let this ‘sink in’ to his subconscious brain.

– So great is the question of survival.

– When malicious DNA such as this, multiplies, it corrupts the entire human gene pool. Therefore, those individuals that believe, for example, that prisoners should be shown mercy, should realize this –

– Those individuals who pass on their genes the most, survive the most, and in the end, it is all about survival. Survival of the fittest.

– This is why letting criminals reproduce is a grave error. When you give the criminal DNA as much of an opportunity to multiply as the non-criminal DNA, then you have basically given the malicious part of the human gene pool a fighting chance at survival. And from evolution’s point of view, that is anti-survival. Because, as mentioned before, survival is what it is all about.

Avn
Avn
1 month ago

– By being ‘racist’ and ‘intolerant’ toward muslims, and being an ‘islamophobe’, one is being –

– Anti-homosexuality-phobe

– Stoning-women-to-death-for-sexual-practices-phobe

– Throwing-homosexual-males-from-buildings-phobe

– Anti-lesbianism-phobe

– Second-class-citizen-status-for-women-phobe

– Human-slavery-phobe

– Rape-legal-against-women-phobe

– Female-child-marriage-phobe

– Sharia-phobe

– Death-for-apostasy-phobe

– Terrorism-against-non-muslims-phobe

– Inequality-for women-phobe

– Female-genital-mutilation-phobe

– Male-genital-mutilation-phobe

– Man-beating-his-wife-phobe

– Pro-alcohol-prohibition-phobe

– Pro-marijuana-prohibition-phobe

– Pro-anti-porn-phobe.

– Anti-all-kinds-of-sex-except-for-heterosexual-patriarchal-sex-between-man-and-woman-after-marriage-phobe

– Jihad-phobe

– Chastity-phobe

– Submission-phobe

– Why must one be this phobic?

One more phobia, that deserves much more attention –

– Zakat-phobe – Zakat is a sort of tax on muslims, for the sake of islam, one of the uses of which, is to fund the murders of non-muslims, in order to spread islam.

– The reader is free to google – Jihad fi sabillilah and verify the veracity of the claim

(To be continued, because it takes hours for my comments to appear)

Avn
Avn
1 month ago

– If someone has any doubt regarding my stance –

– I am an atheist.

– I am not conservative. Nor liberal.

– What I am after, is not women relegated to household and men returning to being the bread-winners, under a patriarchal system.

– What I will propose, is something entirely different.

– If implemented, it may very well transform the very idea of how the society views human reproduction, and make way for returning the white birth rate back to the replacement level.

– What is the strength of whites that they can use against muslims, to defeat islam?

– Intellect

– If muslims have as their strength, unrelenting fanaticism for islam, then whites have their higher intelligence that they can count on.

– What if whites applied their intellect, and –

– Discovered a way to make BOTH left-wing and the right-wing win, at the same time?

– Discovered a way to both legalize homosexuality and STILL keep the birth rate high enough so that the problem of white DNA dying out is resolved?

– Discovered a way to keep both white women and white men united, instead of going their own separate ways?

– I am dead serious. There IS a way.

– Regarding which, I will post later, since as I mentioned before – the comments would take a quite some time to become visible.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@AVN

It represents muslims against non-muslims on the most basic level.

– Jews, particularly ashkenazi jews, are a tremendous asset for the human gene pool, due to their intellectual traits. If they perish, their DNA will be lost – Which would be a great loss for humankind.

Your Islamophobia and fetishism around Jews won’t get you traction either. I don’t know when you decided feminism was all about strange theories about race, but that was when you revealed your true colors. Just stop.

Catalpa
Catalpa
1 month ago

Oh great, AVN is back. And his avatar is still changing. I wonder if he’s constantly changing his email in order to aggravate David, who has to keep reading and letting through this dreck.

– As I mentioned earlier – I am not white. I am from asia.

– Since I can not answer to everyone, I will type every thing here, in one go, and in multiple comments.

Don’t care where you’re from; you keep spouting racist and white supremacist garbage, therefore you are being a racist and a white supremacist.

You are aware that you can post more than five paragraphs in a single comment, right? You don’t need to split your rant into 15 different parts.

– Israel must win. Jews must not be allowed to perish.

– So great is the importance of the palestine war, that it might actually decide, in part, the fate of the civilized world in the future. It represents muslims against non-muslims on the most basic level.

One, Israel =/= Jewish people. Two, Muslims are not a threat to the civilized world, and Palestinians wanting to be able to live in the location that they have been in for generations is not a threat to Jewish people.

Not being anti-semetic doesn’t make you not racist.

– The reason why I say is that, individuals like these, are the ones sabotaging from within, the white race, which includes white women.

– If white men were to die out tomorrow – So will white women.

The white race is not being sabotaged. White people are doing just fine. Having a reduced ability to oppress everyone else is not a threat to survival.

No one’s goal is to wipe out white men, so your hypothetical point is completely irrelevant. Additionally, a culture is not a skin color, and ‘white’ is not a culture. If all white men were to somehow magically vanish, the next generation might look a little different, but there’s still nothing stopping white American women or white British women or white French women from passing down American, British, or French traditions and culture to their kids.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Catalpa

Not being anti-semetic doesn’t make you not racist.

Even aside from his thoughts on Israel and Palestine, his strange views on Jewish people are creepy IMO. I find that his kind of rhetoric about Jews is very common among Evangelical Christians, who pretend to like Jews because they believe that Jews going to Israel fulfills a prophecy to bring about the Rapture, at which point they believe we will all either have to convert to Christianity or go to hell. It’s a deeply dehumanizing and antisemitic view.

And his statements on the “intellectual capabilities” of Jews harken back to antisemitic stereotypes as well. Pretty much every conspiracy theory about Jews is based around some idea that we are intelligent but evil.

Edit:

And with the exception of the current hazy period, fifth column individuals were shot dead.

And he’s now also sending thinly veiled threats at people. Charming.

Catalpa
Catalpa
1 month ago

@Naglfar

Good point, thanks for pointing out those gross and common tropes.

I expect that AVN figures he’s “not antisemitic” in a similar way in which he figures he’s “not misogynistic”.

i.e. “oh, no, I don’t hate [x], I actually love them because they are super useful and we need to make efforts to make sure they are put and kept in their Rightful Place”

It’s still dehumanizing and prejudiced, dude.