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By David Futrelle

In 2010, men’s rights lawyer Roy Dean Hollander wrote an inflammatory piece for the men’s rights hate site A Voice for Men declaring that men might be forced to take up arms to defeat what he saw as the tyranny of feminism.

Several weeks ago, Den Hollander took his own advice, gunning down the son and husband of a female judge he had tangled with in the past; the son died of his wounds. Several days earlier he killed rival men’s rights attorney Marc Angelucci.

If you thought Den Hollander’s murders would have occasioned some soul searching on the part of the folks at AVFM, you would be dead wrong. Site foinder Paul Elam and others associated with the site offered no apoligies for publishing Den Hollander’s screed (or for a later post by Elam effusively praising him as a “real man”); instead they insisted to anyone who would listen that Den Hollander wasn’t a real men’s rights activist at all and had nothing to do with them.

On Tuesday, AVFM published a post by Gary Costanza referring to Den Hollander’s murder of Angelucci which somehow managed to avoid mentioning both his name and his previous connection to the site, referring to him only as a “demented person.”

Down the memory hole he goes.

Den Hollander – who killed himself shortly after his assault on the judge’s family – was not the only “demented person” in AVFM’s past.

You may be familiar with the name Chris Cantwell – he’s perhaps better known as “the Crying Nazi,” infamous for a teary video he put out after hearing that there was a warrant out for his arrest for several counts of assault at the notorious Unite the Right rally in 2017. Before going full Nazi, you see, Cantwell wrote a number of pieces for AVFM on such topics as IQ, the evils of gun control, and feminists “who demonize men and white people.” When, at the time he was writing for AVFM, I criticized his online harassment of some of his many enemies, Elam wrote a post defending Cantwell and advising me to kill myself.

Cantwell, not only a political activist but quite the gun enthusiast, has been a busy boy in the last several years; his rap sheet is too long and complicated to easily summarize here, but he’s served time for assault and currently sits in jail awaiting trial on charges of threats and extortion against a fellow neo-Nazi. Given his love of guns and his utter lack of impulse control, I think it’s kind of a miracle he hasn’t shot anyone yet.

Over the years, Elam has befriended and published several other men’s rights activists who frankly seem as unhinged as Den Hollander and Cantwell; thankfully none of them have acted out in the same way.

In Constanza’s post today, he urges fellow MRAs to “redouble our efforts” in the wake of Angelucci’s murder.

I would suggest that fans of the site do some serious self-reflection first. Is there a reason their side – and their site — attracts so many “demented” individuals? Perhaps this is not simply bad luck? Perhaps it’s because, to paraphrase a famous comedy routine by Mitchell and Webb, they are the baddies?

H/T — to Twitter’s @TakedownMRAs, who inspired this post.

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Avn
Avn
1 month ago

– All right, I have created an e-mail just now, for the sole purpose of being able to post here.

– If women wish to continue attacking me, it is fine. I will respect their wish. Especially miss Stacey.

– If males attack me, I will try and avoid reading their post. If however, I do happen to read one, and realize that it is coming from a male, then I will unfortunately, have no choice but to confront.

– I will now commence, a very, very long, series of comments, which would cover the ENTIRETY of all critical and relevant issues.

– I will start here, but move on to other, newer articles of this website, as time progresses.

– I sincerely hope, that now that I will be using a fixed e-mail, the comments appear without much delay. This is critical for maintaining the ‘flow’ so to speak.

– When I post a comment and it does not appear for 10 hours, the motivation simply dies out. So let us hope it works this time.

– Cheers

Dalillama
Dalillama
1 month ago

@Naglfar

I don’t know much about Islam, is Zakat similar to the Jewish concept of Tzedakah? The names are similar, so I’d imagine so.

Pretty much exactly the same, although I don’t know of any modern Jewish communities that formally levy it as a tax, while Muslim governments quite often do. Tithing is the Christian form of the practice, though it often ends up as “money/goods to support the church” rather than “money/goods to support the poor”.

Brony, Social Justice Cenobite

If no one has any objections I would like to pull from avn what they think “criminal DNA” and “non-criminal” DNA is. I’m familiar with the science behind inheritance and behavior. Genetic, epigenetic, developmental… I like to interrogate awful claims and it could be instructive.

Dalillama
Dalillama
1 month ago

Don’t bother. He hasn’t got enough grasp of any of those subjects to give meaningful answers. “Criminal DNA” is the DNA of people who’ve interacted with the carceral system, or are related to such people, or know such people socially. “Non-criminal” DNA is the DNA of upper-class white Protestants.

Penny Psmith
Penny Psmith
1 month ago

@Naglfar: No need to apologise! You couldn’t be sure ehat pronouns I use, so have picked the most reasonable option. And now you know them. If you happen to forget, “they” would be the reasonable option again.

As for Zakat, the word literally means “charity”. So yeah, like Tzedakah, except it’s one of the five tenets of Islam so in places with Islamic rule it’s enforced rather than voluntary (so a bit more like, say, welfare). Could go to a whole lot of causes; I suppose in places ruled by extremists it could go to objectionable causes, but the basic concept of it is for helping the needy.

(Edit: forgot to check for a new comment page, Dalillama already said this. Sorry!)

Snowberry
Snowberry
1 month ago

Well, that exploded while I was away.

I would like to point out that AVN is short for “Adult Video News” (it’s an American porn organization), which suggests our latest troll is a huge porn fan. Not that there’s anything wrong with that per se, but I tend to be suspicious of anyone who uses a porn-related name in a non-porn-related environment because there’s at least 90% chance that they have unhealthy views about women (if not outright misogynist). That’s including women who use such names.

Or, unlikely, it might be AVascular Necrosis and there’s a weird medical thing going on here, or it might even be their initials, but the probably-porn thing really stands out.

Avn
Avn
1 month ago

– Regarding the name issue – Folks keep bringing it up again and again.

– So I will change it. You can choose the name and let me know, or I will use AV, or anything else. No more Avn

– Also, this time I am posting with my personal email, and yet, it has been 9 hours, and none of my 4 comments have appeared.

– Had they appeared immediately, I would have, by now, posted at least 20 comments. Never have I faced such difficulty in commenting. Sigh.

Avn
Avn
1 month ago

– It appears to me that the moderator of this website does not want to approve my posts.

– Even after using the same, original email, one would think that after 12 hours of being posted, the posts would have appeared by now.

– But apparently, either 12 hours is too little of a time for the moderator to approve the posts, or I am not welcome here.

– I believe it is the latter.

– I had so much to post, you would not believe.

Therefore, if this post does not appear as well, then it will be my last.

Cheers.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
1 month ago

or I am not welcome here

That’s not the reason, but you’re actually not welcome here, so don’t let the logoff screen hit you on the ass on your way out.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Avn

If women wish to continue attacking me, it is fine. I will respect their wish. Especially miss Stacey.

This is a fetish, isn’t it? I knew it.

I will now commence, a very, very long, series of comments, which would cover the ENTIRETY of all critical and relevant issues.

Or don’t.

Cheers.

Does anyone else find that this guy sounds a lot like SRLO?

kupo
kupo
1 month ago

@Avn
Seems like he’s still got you in moderation. Probably because you’re acting trollish, so he can catch the really awful stuff before it goes out.

Also, why the difference between how you plan to treat, in your words, “women” and “males”? How can you tell? What about people who fit neither of those categories, can you tell with them, too, or will you just mentally shove them into one of the two categories you mentioned?

Finally, am I a woman or a male?

StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
1 month ago

@Naglfar

This is a fetish, isn’t it? I knew it.

Probably. I don’t know what’s going on inside him but what he’s said to me here makes pretty clear he has no idea of what my version of femdom means to me, my partners our art and our beliefs. And no idea of how acting on some fetishes safely when it’s consensual and with communication in a connected beautiful relationship can be so deep and intimate. It’s sad but it only makes me more committed to my own sex-positive feminism because I refuse to let creeps’ attitudes prevent me from enjoying something that’s beautiful, artistic and utterly hot with my guys

@AVN

Respect my wish that you not be racist and Islamophobic. How about that?

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
1 month ago

@AVN – I don’t know where you are in the world, but you know that David has to *sleep* at some point, right? Your comments often appear in the morning for me, so I would assume you’re making them at a point where people in David’s time zone are usually asleep.

If you keep the same email, you’ll probably be let through. BUT you have to a) not change your name (as I’ve said) and b) NOT CHANGE YOUR EMAIL. Just because you made a new one, specifically for this, does NOT mean that it would automatically go through, the first time! It still needs to be okay-d. Now you’ll probably go through.

Until we get tired of your overt racism and sexism, and ask David to ban you.

Also, just so I know for the future if you’ll accept what I say or fight me, where do I fit? Man or woman?

You can also type very, very long comments here. This isn’t twitter. If you have too many links, the spam-catcher might snag it, but otherwise you can write so much. I have definitely written WAY TOO LONG comments before, lol.

Brevity is not a talent I have, unfortunately.

… Dammit, now I want some spam.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLih-WQwBSc

lol!

Avn
Avn
1 month ago

Testing to see whether the post appears promptly.

Avn
Avn
1 month ago

@ Alan Robertshaw

– If your simplistic brain lacks the fundamental understanding of biology, anthropology, history, culture, and a whole host of other disciplines..

– It is not my concern.

– The day when you are able to actually dispute any of my claims, without resorting to underhanded tactics of circumlocution and obfuscation…

– Only then disturb me.

– Now run along, boy.

– Shoo.

Avn
Avn
1 month ago

— Connecting the dots —

– Why are non-muslims losing and muslims winning?

– What is the reason behind islam’s success?

– Why have non-muslims still not managed to connect the dots?

– All such questions and many more, are answered below.

– This post is meant to help connect the dots regarding the war against islam, which is essential if we wish to succeed.

– So let us begin –

– All nations that are muslim today, were non-muslim yesterday.

– Whereas, not a single non-muslim nation today, was a muslim nation yesterday.

– When islam started 1400 years ago, muslims had no country. Today muslims have 50 countries. What does this mean?

– This means that on average, muslims take over 1 non-muslim country every 28 years.

– Even as you are reading this, muslims are trying to take over non-muslim lands, all over the world –

– Muslims are trying to take over philippines’s mindanao right now
– Muslims are trying to take over india’s kashmir right now
– Muslims are trying to take over china’s xinjiang right now
– Muslims are trying to take over myanmar’s rakhine state right now
– Muslims are trying to take over israel’s palestine right now
– Muslims are trying to take over lebanon’s north and beirut right now
– Muslims are trying to take over russia’s chechnya and ingushetia right now
– Muslims are trying to take over thailand’s south thailand right now

– And many more, particularly in africa.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

– If women wish to continue attacking me, it is fine. I will respect their wish. Especially miss Stacey.

– If males attack me, I will try and avoid reading their post. If however, I do happen to read one, and realize that it is coming from a male, then I will unfortunately, have no choice but to confront.

Not everyone identifies as women or males. Also, how can you tell who is what gender unless they explicitly state it?

Anyway, I can’t speak for how anyone else would like to be treated by you, but can tell that I am a woman and do not need or want to be treated differently than “a male.” I’m not too delicate to be confronted and I don’t want condescending faux respect.

StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
1 month ago

@AVN

Alan is one of the most intelligent people here. Your insults to him are really unjustified and awful and mean anyway but overall very unjustified. You should apologize to him.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

LOL. I forgot about SRLO.

Avn
Avn
1 month ago

(Continued)

– Muslims are in development mode across europe as well – Muslims do not assimilate, which is a fancy word for – ‘Do not change their behavior in accordance with non-muslims, but do prefer to change non-muslim behavior in accordance with theirs’.

– As a result, partially segregated muslim zones and muslim societies have started forming and growing inside european nations, that prefer to live according to the islamic way.

– When the muslim population rises to 30-35 % in these nations, one can easily calculate what will happen.

– Disputes would start growing, which would be termed as ‘internal conflict’, and eventually, as time goes on, and conditions worsen, non-muslim governments will tire of the fighting and let go.

– When soviet union collapsed, that is, when the soviet government let go, multiple muslim nations were created – which was – muslims effectively taking over russian lands.

– Lest we forget – The entire middle east was non-muslim. Today it is muslim.

– Except israel.

Avn
Avn
1 month ago

– How can non-muslims connect the dots? Here’s how –

– The subconscious section of the human brain is the key of humankind. It decides everything that humans do.

– Everything that you see around you is information being presented to your brain, whether intentionally or unintentionally, which will ultimately influence your behavior at a later stage.

– Think of the subconscious brain as the heavy-duty machine that is controlling the low-weight conscious brain.

– When an individual comes across an opportunity, his conscious brain does not realize it – But his subconscious brain does. So if the subconscious brain was previously influenced in a particular manner, and has accepted it as positive, when the opportunity arrives, it will immediately inform the conscious brain about it. And consequently, this individual would be able take advantage of the opportunity, which he would have lost, had the subconscious brain not been involved.

(Continued)

Avn
Avn
1 month ago

– So when something is fed to the subconscious brain, and it is received as ‘positive’, then the conscious brain is eventually, at a later stage, instructed by the subconscious brain to behave in accordance to the information that was fed to it, when it was to the fore, as positive.

– And consequently, the entirety of the brain now regards it as positive, including the conscious brain. And this conscious brain then instructs the individual how to behave. As a result, the individual starts behaving more and more in that particular manner.

(Continued)

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
1 month ago

OMG just staaaaaaaahp. No one cur for your racism. And Islam isn’t any better or worse than Christianity, which has not treated me particularly well so going on and on about Islam isn’t winning you any friends in me. I don’t suspect any other regular here is going to be receptive either.

the subconscious brain

is not a thing.

Avn
Avn
1 month ago

– And this is why subconscious brain is the key. It controls humans. It controls everything that humans do. And humans control society. So that which controls subconscious brain of humans, decides how the society behaves.

– Such is the power of the subconscious part of the brain.

(Continued)

StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
1 month ago

@AVN

If women wish to continue attacking me, it is fine. I will respect their wish. Especially miss Stacey.

Is your continued interest in me, which you kind of show by your continuing to mention me by name and calling me “Miss” when you don’t mention others you think are women related to some fetish of yours, like Naglfar suggests that it is?

I am a dominant woman, consider myself a sex-positive feminist and do sometimes talk openly here about my life, my relationships and my art projects, including how I dress and what I enjoy with my partners, especially when it’s related to the subject of the blog but sometimes too when it’s not as closely related to a post and I’m just venting or whatever.

I have often made very clear (and it’s obvious to any regular commenters who even just skims my posts) that those parts of me are ONLY for men I know, trust, like and am very physically attracted to.

You don’t seem to acknowledge that or care that it’s true even though you do seem to keep trying to do things like call me Miss Stacey.

Avn
Avn
1 month ago

– Subconscious brain is also the reason why the terms – ‘Racist, sexist, misogynist and islamophobic’ work so effectively at silencing anyone who dares condemn women, blacks and muslims, for anything. How does it happen?

– When, after seeing opposition to women, blacks and muslims, one individual attacks another individual through the ‘Racist, sexist, misogynist and islamophobic’ cards, and when more and more individuals start doing so, with stigma attached to it – An ‘information cascade’ is created. To the subconscious brain of the receiver of these attacks, the message sent is –

– ‘Racist, sexist, misogynist and islamophobic’ = Bad

– However, his conscious brain might not realize this.

(Continued)

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
1 month ago

Subconscious brain is also the reason why the terms – ‘Racist, sexist, misogynist and islamophobic’ work so effectively at silencing anyone who dares condemn women, blacks and muslims, for anything. How does it happen?

Not actually very effective at silencing anyone. Because “subconscious brain” is not a thing and your entire manifesto here is a bunch of crapola. You’re just pulling all of this out of your ass to justify your own racism.

Avn
Avn
1 month ago

– Consequently, without this individual realizing it, the next time he tries to condemn women, blacks and muslims for anything – His subconscious brain instructs his conscious brain – ‘No – We have established that, that is bad. So back off mister’

– And the individual backs off. And this is how they win. I will not dwell on this particular issue further, for reasons that are obvious.

Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
Rhuu - apparently an illiterati
1 month ago

okay I am throwing in the towel. The Islamophobia was super obvious before, but this troll is no fun*. I’m going to email David.

*Also so very Islamophobic. And racist. And sexist. *sigh*

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
1 month ago

I will not dwell on this particular issue further, for reasons that are obvious.

Good, because the obvious thing is that you’re so full of shit that you’re vomiting it up. There is no “subconsicous brain” and racists and misogynists are not actually silenced by it BECAUSE THEY SAY SHIT ALL THE TIME AS EVIDENCED AT HAND BY YOU.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

Wow there’s a lot here.
@AVN

Why are non-muslims losing and muslims winning?

Winning what?

Whereas, not a single non-muslim nation today, was a muslim nation yesterday.

Have you ever heard of Israel? South Sudan? Spain? Portugal?

Even as you are reading this, muslims are trying to take over non-muslim lands, all over the world

[citation needed]
Christians control far more countries. What do you think of that?

The entire middle east was non-muslim. Today it is muslim.

I take it you’ve never been to a history class. The Middle East has been majority Muslim for over 1000 years, far longer than the Americas have been Christian.

Muslims do not assimilate, which is a fancy word for – ‘Do not change their behavior in accordance with non-muslims, but do prefer to change non-muslim behavior in accordance with theirs’.

And now you’re not even trying to pretend not to be a white nationalist. Run along.

Everything that you see around you is information being presented to your brain, whether intentionally or unintentionally, which will ultimately influence your behavior at a later stage.

You being here is influencing me to write rebuttals to your garbage.

‘Racist, sexist, misogynist and islamophobic’ work so effectively at silencing anyone who dares condemn women, blacks and muslims, for anything. How does it happen?

Calling someone racist, sexist, misogynist, and islamophobic silences people? Darn, I wish it worked. We have bigots everywhere who claim they’re being silenced but aren’t and won’t shut up.

‘Racist, sexist, misogynist and islamophobic’ = Bad

Correct. Being racist, sexist, misogynist and islamophobic is bad.

Edit: ninja’ed on some of my points. But the points still stand.

StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
1 month ago

The Muslim people where I live are nice, including to me even though my lifestyle isn’t something they would want to do themselves because of their own beliefs. They act maybe kind of distant and not overly friendly because of their different beliefs which is fine AND they are still very kind and never ever nasty or mean in what they say or do to me! Or others! I know their religion doesn’t agree with my views on sex but yet that doesn’t stop them from being good neighbors and kind to me when I see some out somewhere! I see some because there is Islamic Community Center that is near a shopping center where sometimes I go. It has a food bank for everyone and offered help for people of all religions in the area who lost jobs because of COVID.

So @AVN your anti Muslim bullshit doesn’t impress me.

StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
1 month ago

@Rhuu

Yes his racism and Islamaphobia is over the top and it’s just nonsense garbage.

I would be ok keeping around a little longer just for some well-deserved creep-shaming though. But only that.

Because the level of bullshit is pretty damn high.

Avn
Avn
1 month ago

@ Naglfar

– For me to be able to make you understand what ‘today’ and ‘yesterday’ signify in the statement below –

– Whereas, not a single non-muslim nation today, was a muslim nation yesterday.

– Would require you to have the mental capacity that is most likely higher than you do now.

– ” Israel? South Sudan? Spain? Portugal” – They were ALL non-muslim nations, from the start – Until muslims took over them

– And then lost them

– If I come to your house tomorrow, kick you out of your house, and start living in it for say, 10 years, and then you return, and take it back – Would that mean that –

– MY house, in which I had been living for the past 10 years, was taken away from me, by you… or

– Your house was taken over by me, which you took back?

– When you are unable to understand what I wrote, you can simply ask the help of an adult, if there is one around you.

– Try reading it again and again, until the bulb finally switches on. All right?

– Now if you’ll excuse me….I have to get back to the series of posts.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
1 month ago

I have to get back to the series of posts.

“I want to learn about feminism” = “I need to spew out my manifesto before it burns me up inside LISTEN TO ME LISTEN TO ME LEARNING WAS NEVER MY OBJECTIVE”

Avn
Avn
1 month ago

To Miss Stacey

– You are too sweet. And I can not find it in my heart, to argue with you.

– All I can say to you is this – You are seeing muslims, in your nation, when they do NOT have the upper hand. They understand fully well that they are a tiny minority, in a nation of infidels.

– If a day arrives when they have the upper hand, something tells me, your opinion regarding them might start differing.

– However, I would most certainly like you to give me the opportunity to change your mind. I can assure you, if you read what I post, with an impartial stance, there is a real possibility that your outlook might change, as time goes by. Let us hope for the best.

– And I am sorry, but I have to post, what I have to post 🙁 The need of the hour, requires it.

– Really sorry and I hope you will forgive me. 🙁

Dalillama
Dalillama
1 month ago

@Avn
The Andalusian Caliphate is dead history, get the fuck over it already! You don’t hear me whining incessantly about the land my family lost to France, do you? Do you know why? Because it was a thousand fucking years ago and has zero significance to anyone alive today. Also, you are aware, are you not (of course you aren’t) that Islam, like Christianity, spreads by conversion? Sudan has, over the millennia, been dominated by numerous religious majorities, but the actual people, their language, food, stories, and all the things that make up a culture, have remained as similar as any other nation over such a span of time.

Also, fuck off out of here with your Falangist bullshit.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Stacey

The Muslim people where I live are nice, including to me even though my lifestyle isn’t something they would want to do themselves because of their own beliefs.

This is similar to my own experience. I have several close friends who are Muslim and have been invited to their mosque on multiple occasions. All the Muslims I’ve met have treated me well.

” Israel? South Sudan? Spain? Portugal” – They were ALL non-muslim nations, from the start – Until muslims took over them

All countries were non Muslim at one point. Some still are, others are now Muslim, and some, like Spain, were in the Islamic world for a few years but now are not. You said that:

not a single non-muslim nation today, was a muslim nation yesterday.

I showed you examples of countries that were a Muslim nation in the past but aren’t now. That disproves your claim. Did you put your back out moving those goalposts?

Your house was taken over by me, which you took back?

I’m assuming this is apologia for the crusades, but your analogy doesn’t apply to this situation. You made a claim. I gave counterexamples. Therefore your claim is false.

If this is confrontation, you’re really bad at it. And this is coming from a woman.

Hey Pavlovs House, you’re a historian, right? If you are reading this, could you explain to Avn the history of the Iberian Peninsula?

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
1 month ago

– And I am sorry, but I have to post, what I have to post 🙁

– Really sorry. 🙁

You’re really not.

Avn
Avn
1 month ago

(Continued)

– This is why it is absolutely imperative that humans take absolute control of what enters their subconscious brain.

– When the news tells an individual something that he does not agree with – He might simply not pay it too much mind.

– But when ALL news media keeps telling ALL individuals something that they do not agree with, and continue repeating it over and over and over again – A few individuals now start agreeing with it.

– Seeing these few, more folks start agreeing with it, with time. Again, an ‘information cascade’ is created, which self-inflates, and self-reinforces, as more and more individuals now keep agreeing with it, because they see more and more individuals doing so.

– They think subconsciously – ‘Well, everyone seems to be doing it. So it must be right. Might as well, join them’ And seeing them, even more join in.

– The ‘bandwagon effect’ takes place. And what was yesterday not agreeable even for a minority of the population – Will now be agreeable to the majority of the population.

– This is how trump almost lost in 2016. He may probably lose in 2020 in the same way, unless white folks realize that their concept of ‘Free speech’ is in reality being used as a piggyback for conditioning of the society, by the news media, as well as other forms of media, particularly american.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Avn
I know you’re banned now and can’t respond.

When the news tells an individual something that he does not agree with – He might simply not pay it too much mind.

If the individual in question is conservative, they call it “fake news” and run away to Fox.

He may probably lose in 2020 in the same way

I am certainly hoping that the worst US president ever loses re-election. He never should have been elected in the first place. Abolish the EC.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

I live in a Christian dominated country (US) but in a city with a large Muslim population (Minneapolis) and every time any one has ever tried to proselytize to me, it was a Christian. Except for when I was handed a Scientology pamphlet on the street one time.

I worry a lot about theocracy, but I worry more about the groups that are actually trying to take over the government. Which would be dominianist Christians and to a lesser extent Scientologists.

Muslims are trying to take over china’s xinjiang right now

It really takes a special brand of assholery to complain about Muslims trying to take over in a country where the government is very literally committing genocide against Uyghur Muslims.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
1 month ago

I think we’ve had enough AVN, I’m re-banning him.

No more manifesto spam? Thank you, David.

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
1 month ago

@AVN

To Miss Stacey

– You are too sweet. And I can not find it in my heart, to argue with you.

– Really sorry and I hope you will forgive me. 🙁

What the hell is wrong with you, you utter goddamn creep. You spouted racist bullshit, Stacey said repeatedly that you are full of bullshit, and now you’re hitting on her and pretending to be her friend? Are you just like this with women? Because if you are that’s fucked up. Your behavior is gross as hell and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Edit: oh N/M that got deleted. Yay. Fuck that dude. Thanks @David.

Catalpa
Catalpa
1 month ago

– All nations that are muslim today, were non-muslim yesterday.

– Whereas, not a single non-muslim nation today, was a muslim nation yesterday.

– When islam started 1400 years ago, muslims had no country. Today muslims have 50 countries. What does this mean?

– This means that on average, muslims take over 1 non-muslim country every 28 years.

All nations that are Christian today were non-Christian at some point in the past.

When Christianity started 2000 years ago, it had no country, now around 118 countries in the world have a population of >50% Christians (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_by_country). According to your logic, that means that Christians take over a new country approximately every 17 years, which is almost twice the rate of Muslims.

What makes Islam a huge threat that is somehow “winning”, but makes Christianity just 100% hunky dory?

(It’s because Christians are typically considered to be white, isn’t it?)

– Muslims are trying to take over myanmar’s rakhine state right now

Fuck you. Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you.

The Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar are facing a fucking genocide right now and fuck you for repeating rhetoric that’s used to justify their slaughter. I hope you get exactly what you put into the world.

EDIT- Oh, he’s banned. Thank you, David. I hope this shitbucket never darkens our door again.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 month ago

@ dali

The Andalusian Caliphate is dead history

They left some blooming nice buildings though.

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Sudan has, over the millennia, been dominated by numerous religious

Sudan has more pyramids than Egypt. That’s not especially pertinent to the discussion but it’s a fact I like quoting.

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Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

Good riddance re: AVN. Somehow, when I thought he couldn’t get much worse, he did.

@Cyborgette

Are you just like this with women? Because if you are that’s fucked up.

Unfortunately, he probably is like this IRL.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
1 month ago

Unfortunately, he probably is like this IRL.

I wonder if he pauses every sentence or three when he speaks, to sort of mentally insert that hyphen.

StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
StaceySmartyPantsTwiceRemoved
1 month ago

@AVN

I am not “sweet”. I am a living goddess with WRATH for despicable beings like you.

If you tried to approach me in real life you would be banished from my presence.

Your condescending to me is as galling as it is absurd.

You come on here making all kinds of unfounded presumptions about people you don’t know like misgendering people or assuming their gender which is offensive enough.

And now you have the impudence to assume that I am “sweet” and need your “protection”.

Listen gross creep in my real life I interact with people who from a very real neopagan spiritual belief system literally worship me as divine. I won’t pretend to hope someone like you could ever understand how that works and reconciles with our lives in the wider world but it does.

And as you think about your ridiculous offer of protection from supposed threats let’s go back to one of your early posts where you asked me about alpha and beta males. Like anybody around here believes in those bullshit categories but I have a good idea how you think an alpha male is supposed to be physically more or less and in my real life I know several who are not only dear trusted partners in creativity and wonderful loving men but who are as tall, physically strong and handsome as what you creeps imagine is an alpha.

I receive their worship as living goddess and sometimes literally do not even have to walk on my own feet because my status and relationships with them allows me to use their (beautiful gorgeous and amazing) bodies literally for transportation *at my bidding* and with their enthusiastic and dedicated consent.

So, yeah, like I am sweet and need of some supposedly smart (but actually ridiculous) man like you to warn me of dangers.

So unbelievable that this troll was talking about pedestals I know figuratively and now calls me too sweet to argue with but does not realize that in my real life art I am often literally on a physical pedestal where the sound and sight of my very real bullwhip and disdain of the look on my face as I command in wrath.

I see the gross troll is banned now but I hope he sees this and knows by utter contempt for him.

And for the record although I wouldn’t have much reason for it to come up here because it’s mostly relevant to my worshippers in my real life social group and community, among them I’m not Miss Stacey but Mistress Stacey and among them they know that the contempt of Mistress Stacey is a contempt unlike any other.