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By David Futrelle
Attention asexual ladies and lesbians! It looks like the incels have figured out your dirty little sex secret, which is that you don’t exist. No matter how you define your sexuality you are actually Chadsexual — able, willing, and eager to have sex with any Chad that comes your way, even if you pretend to like only women or to not like sex at all.
That, at least, is the consensus over on the Incels.co forums, where the regulars like to discuss this topic endlessly, and then some. “The only female sexuality is Chadsexual,” declares a fellow called Simp, speaking for many. “Every single woman would fuck Chad. Even ‘lesbians.'”
A commenter called Reprobus is very angry at all these phony lesbians who won’t fuck less-than-perfect specimens of manhood like himself. “I hate foids in general,” he begins,
but lesbians are the greediest of the bunch. Lesbians, it doesn’t matter what they look like can get a girlfriend and the odds are never against them. …
And they don’t even need these girlfriends, because there are men out there waiting to have sex with them.
Women in general don’t need to be lesbian, SO MANY MEN on Earth will fuck them any day of the week. NOTHING about being lesbian is difficult they are a waste of resources and the ultimate sign of greed.
And why do they resort to buying dildos when real penises are available for nothing?
There is NO reason a foid need to use some plastic dildo when 1000 other men in their phone will do it for free. ALL lesbian sex emulates how a man fucks a woman for the most part.
To borrow a line from Marge Gunderson: I’m not sure I agree with you a hundred percent on your police work there, Lou.
I believe there is a sound reason for any man to be frustrated with these foids, they will date land tank foids that you mog from hell and back and ACT like you don’t exist. BUT as soon as Chad comes walking in he’s the prize.
OverForRedditcels manages to work the dogpill (eugghh!) into his, er, analysis.
All foids are hard-wired to be chadsexual. They might fuck a girl or a dog once in a while if Chad is not currently available, but it’s impossible for them to overwrite their natural attraction to Chad.
Ionlycopenow thinks it has something to do with makeup. After all, women are
repulsed by all things ugly. And since the average woman, while ugly and often uglier than the average man, can put on makeup and reach 7/10 (something very rare for men who can’t fraud), they would rather just go with women instead if Chad isn’t available.
A-virgin-n*gger, meanwhile, is similarly convinced of the non-existence of asexual women.
If a femoid is in an environment full of subhumans, she will claim to be asexual but once that Chad/Tyrone comes along, she will become the degenerate slut all other femoids are. They are all Chadsexuals. I’ve encountered my fair share of self proclaimed asexual femshits, each turned out to be worthless whores who go to clubs and suck off every Chad and Tyrone they can.
Commander-zoidberg adds:
Its just an excuse not to have sex with their looksmatch because they only want chad. You see it all the time.
Well, despite all the wrongness on display here, these guys are right about one thing: No women regardless of sexual orientation wants to have sex with them.
Could their utterly terrible ideas and feelings about women have anything to do with it?
H/T — EXPELincels who inspired me to look into incels’ ideas about “chadsexuality.”
That would have been my interpretation as well, but figuring the kind of space we like to keep here that seemed unlikely.
I wonder if the male counterpart theory exist : does all the men – including gays and aces – are Stacysexuals ?
@Kevin
But Dr. Zoidberg is fundamentally good; he’s very dedicated to Professor Farnsworth and even though he misunderstands human behavior and anatomy he wants to do the right thing. It just seems unfair to compare him to incels.
Plus, given incels’ typical biases, I get the feeling this particular incel chose the name for antisemitic reasons, as Zoidberg is a somewhat Jewish-sounding name and the show’s creator was Jewish.
@Ohlmann
That probably doesn’t occur to incels because it would contradict their belief that women and Chads have a very easy time getting sex and can get it instantly. Therefore, they wouldn’t think there is an opportunity or time cost associated. This is also probably why they don’t spend more time trying to have sex, because they think it should be effortless.
@Battering Lamb
That’s what I would have originally read it as, but given the context I assumed it wasn’t that.
@occasional reader
Although I haven’t heard them explicitly state that, it seems like the manosphere often assumes that all men are attracted to the same kinds of women they are, so it seems to be implied. Incels have previously also stated that gay men are horny straight men who couldn’t find a woman to date and decided to date other men.
Hello!!! Always good to meet fellow aces!
Ooh, aromantic, asexual, AND nonbinary? Congratulations, you get to not exist on three different axes! I’m pretty sure that means you get to turn invisible at will. I can only go translucent myself u.u
@Miri, Catalpa, Kestrel (or anyone else who has a suggestion!)
Kinda a nosy question, but are there any novels you can recommend with an ace MC? Not come across any, and it’s a concept I find a bit difficult to get my head around.
I dislike not understanding things that are important. 🙂
If they really think all women at ‘chadsexual’ and ‘chad’ness requires a certain body type why don’t the go to the gym, go on high protein diets, etc., to obtain a ‘chad-like’ body?
I know the answer; if they did something like that and they still couldn’t get laid they’d find something else to blame it on. The fact that they have repulsive personalities and beliefs wouldn’t occur to them.
@Catalpa
I’m sure I don’t exist either, what with being an evil, evil fatty as well as non-binary and aromantic. While I am pansexual, I don’t find the type of build that Incels consider ‘Chad’ to be attractive. Even Chris Hemsworth at his Thor finest was only a ‘he’s pretty, I suppose, I get why you’d find him attractive but doesn’t do anything for me’. I’ve found the men I come across in person with that ‘Chad’ body to be extremely insecure and misogynistic. The insecurity is usually about something else but they express it in misogyny and excessive use of the gym. I am always very reserved when a man with gym-muscles is in a social group, because of bad social experiences. Plus, I just don’t find it attractive. The tiny, tiny brains of the incels would just explode at the thought that such people as we exist.
Oh, hey, did anyone see the incel tosser on Twitter screaming that autistic women don’t exist? He got his arse handed to him by a large number of autistic women and non-binary AFAB people, but the fact that people were agreeing with him is worrying.
@North Sea Sparkly Dragon
That, and that they think they shouldn’t have to, that they’re entitled to women. They don’t want to do any extra work.
Same here. When it comes to men, I prefer more androgynous or feminine men, and most of the more muscular men just aren’t attractive to me. And I’ve seen the same issues re: misogyny and insecurity.
I didn’t see it, but what? I’m pretty sure I exist. They might say I don’t count because I’m a trans* woman, but even then I know a lot of autistic cis women and other AFAB people. The intersection of misogyny and ableism that autistic women face (not sure if there’s a special term for that intersection) is very widespread, in no small part due to horrible organizations like Autism $peaks, and there are all kinds of myths about how autism is 4x more common in boys, but outright denial is usually a bridge too far even for them.
For starters, dildos can be washed manually as needed, instead of having to be convinced to take a shower (and then neglecting to use soap).
@ Threp
Ah, I’ve been neglecting my novel-reading for quite a while now.
Dreams of Shreds and Tatters has an asexual protagonist, though I haven’t finished the book yet so I can’t talk about it extensively.
The Protector of the Small quartet by Tamora Pierce has a protagonist who is aroace by Word-of-God, though it’s not really explicitly discussed in the books.
This page has a list of books which I have not read but really should get on: http://queerbooksforteens.com/best-of-lists/books-with-asexual-characters/
I mostly listen to podcasts nowadays, and I managed to stumble upon not one, not two, but three podcasts with asexual protagonists without explicitly seeking them out (which may explain why my preferred media is now podcasts). These are: The Magnus Archives, Ars Paradoxica, and The Alexandria Archives. (Honorable mention goes to The Penumbra Podcast and The Bright Sessions, which are podcasts with asexual supporting characters, though they are not the protagonists.)
@Catalpa
Thank you, you are kind.
Been meaning to read the Protector of the Small series – Pierce keeps getting mentioned here and elsewhere as a really great writer that I’ve not read yet, far as I recall.
Can’t really get into podcasts for learning things, so I’ll stick to the book list! Thank you! 🙂
Naglfar:
Ah, the dilemma of practicing medicine on humans. You can’t understand their sexual anatomy without killing and dissecting them all; and if you did that, it’d defeat the purpose of acquiring that knowledge.
@Catalpa- I’m agender!
And @Threp and Catalpa- PotS is my favorite book series ever, so I highly recommend that. Also, Tamora Pierce has a lot of queer characters- there’s a black lesbian and a lesbian and a bisexual woman in a semi-open relationship, all in the same universe. In that same universe, there’s another character that fully reads as aroace, although Tammy has said that she’s straight. Also Daine is demi and you can pry that hc from my cold dead hands.
Tammy has been writing since the early 80s, so some of the attitudes in her books are outdated or less nuanced than modern books, but they still hold up today. The PotS books were written in the late 90s/early 2000s, so asexuality was probably not as well known as it is today, which is probably why the aroace thing is WoG rather than explicitly in the text.
Unfortunately, I can’t think of other ace rep. There’s plenty of characters that I read as aspec but it’s not mentioned in the text.
@Threp
Every Heart a Doorway by Seanan McGuire has a heteroromantic ace protagonist.
It’s a portal fantasy about kids who found doors to other worlds, got sent back to our world and want to go home.
@Threp
Using no other criteria, the protagonist of Elizabeth Moon’s Deed of Paksennarion series is canon aroace. One of the protagonists of Drake’s RCN/Leary and Mundy series likewise. IIRC also one of the protagonists of the Aubrey-Maturin books, but it’s been a long time. More as I think of them.
The Company of Death by Elisa Hansen features an ace protagonist, and the author herself is ace.
@Miri
So you’ve got the a-triad: aro, ace, and agender? I think we have one other commenter who is also all of those, as IIRC Knitting Cat Lady is.
O/T, but some might find this entertaining:
John Boyne, the author famous for his transphobic book that misgenders the main character in the title and for arguing with the Auschwitz Museum about the Holocaust, has now published a new historical fiction novel where he (supposedly accidentally) included a dye recipe from Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild. The mystery is why any publishing house still wants him.
@Naglfar- yep! I have the a-trifecta 😀 and hell yeah!
Wait. Paks is aroace? Damn. I misread that bit of motivation hard.
Not a criticism or a complaint – I read that series while on active, so my own background and expectations seeped in to her motivations. Duty, concentration on perfecting her art, and the couple of rapes making sex kinda unappealing for her (she’s a fair one for taking blame where none’s due at times) were my take. Plus the whole paladin thing.
Need to reread them now. Which isn’t exactly an unpleasant task. 🙂
Eliza Hansen is now on the reading list, thank you!
@Threp
Elizabeth once said that she’d TRIED to make Paks interested in other people romantically (I don’t know if this was editorial pressure or what), but that “the girl just wasn’t interested in sex.”
(Mr. Parasol and I have known Elizabeth and her family for years.)
@Threp
The protagonists of Leckie’s Imperial Radsch series and Wells’ Murderbot as well, but they’re not precisely human so it may not count.
How to be a Normal Person by TJ Klune
This almost seems like some superhero genre cliche thing. “I am so ugly that no woman wants to have sex with me — clearly my exact opposite, a man so handsome that every woman wants to have sex with him, must exist!” No it doesn’t. Your ugliness (which is in all likelihood debatable anyhow) is not the thing keeping you back.
@Miri
Years ago I hung out on an asexual forum where there was a discussion on asexual characters in fiction. I remember how almost everyone was unanimous on Spock from Star Trek being ace, but there was no consensus on whether he should be considered aromantic. This division seemed to show who shipped Spirk and who didin’t. (This was of course before the new movies.)
@Masse_Mysteria- I read Spock as demi, to be perfectly honest. (But I also ship Spirk, so…)
IIRC the protagonist of Tobias Buckell’s Arctic Rising is canon ace, and several main characters from his Xenowealth books appear to be, I can’t recall if it’s explicitly stated.
@Masse_mysteria
I am not ace, so I am definitely not an authority at all, but how would Spock being asexual work with the pon farr? Would it be possible he’s some kind of grey ace and sometimes has a sex drive? Again please correct me if I’m misunderstanding anything.
As for ace characters, what about Todd Chavez from BoJack Horseman? He’s canonically ace and either heteroromantic or biromantic (it’s never made clear, but he has a romantic relationship with an asexual female character at one point). There’s even a subplot where another character creates an asexual dating app.