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Incels agree: Lesbians and asexual women don’t exist — because all women are Chadsexuals

Women only turn to other women for sex if there are no Chads around, allegedly

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By David Futrelle

Attention asexual ladies and lesbians! It looks like the incels have figured out your dirty little sex secret, which is that you don’t exist. No matter how you define your sexuality you are actually Chadsexual — able, willing, and eager to have sex with any Chad that comes your way, even if you pretend to like only women or to not like sex at all.

That, at least, is the consensus over on the Incels.co forums, where the regulars like to discuss this topic endlessly, and then some. “The only female sexuality is Chadsexual,” declares a fellow called Simp, speaking for many. “Every single woman would fuck Chad. Even ‘lesbians.'”

A commenter called Reprobus is very angry at all these phony lesbians who won’t fuck less-than-perfect specimens of manhood like himself. “I hate foids in general,” he begins,

but lesbians are the greediest of the bunch. Lesbians, it doesn’t matter what they look like can get a girlfriend and the odds are never against them. …

And they don’t even need these girlfriends, because there are men out there waiting to have sex with them.

Women in general don’t need to be lesbian, SO MANY MEN on Earth will fuck them any day of the week. NOTHING about being lesbian is difficult they are a waste of resources and the ultimate sign of greed.

And why do they resort to buying dildos when real penises are available for nothing?

There is NO reason a foid need to use some plastic dildo when 1000 other men in their phone will do it for free. ALL lesbian sex emulates how a man fucks a woman for the most part.

To borrow a line from Marge Gunderson: I’m not sure I agree with you a hundred percent on your police work there, Lou.

I believe there is a sound reason for any man to be frustrated with these foids, they will date land tank foids that you mog from hell and back and ACT like you don’t exist. BUT as soon as Chad comes walking in he’s the prize.

OverForRedditcels manages to work the dogpill (eugghh!) into his, er, analysis.

All foids are hard-wired to be chadsexual. They might fuck a girl or a dog once in a while if Chad is not currently available, but it’s impossible for them to overwrite their natural attraction to Chad.

Ionlycopenow thinks it has something to do with makeup. After all, women are

repulsed by all things ugly. And since the average woman, while ugly and often uglier than the average man, can put on makeup and reach 7/10 (something very rare for men who can’t fraud), they would rather just go with women instead if Chad isn’t available.

A-virgin-n*gger, meanwhile, is similarly convinced of the non-existence of asexual women.

If a femoid is in an environment full of subhumans, she will claim to be asexual but once that Chad/Tyrone comes along, she will become the degenerate slut all other femoids are. They are all Chadsexuals. I’ve encountered my fair share of self proclaimed asexual femshits, each turned out to be worthless whores who go to clubs and suck off every Chad and Tyrone they can.

Commander-zoidberg adds:

Its just an excuse not to have sex with their looksmatch because they only want chad. You see it all the time.

Well, despite all the wrongness on display here, these guys are right about one thing: No women regardless of sexual orientation wants to have sex with them.

Could their utterly terrible ideas and feelings about women have anything to do with it?

H/T — EXPELincels who inspired me to look into incels’ ideas about “chadsexuality.”

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Crip Dyke
1 month ago

Well, I’d say this is a special kind of gross, but it honestly fits right in with all the other incel grossness.

Aron
Aron
1 month ago

That was all so stupid I think it took a week and a half off my life.

Brassica
Brassica
1 month ago

To be fair, I’m a _very_ queer dyke, and nearly all of the sex I have is with women, but I haven’t ALWAYS turned down a persuasive and attractive Chad…
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…as long as what he is begging for is to be tied up and pegged. As a beloved ex used to affectionately say, in reference to my strap on, “Brassica’s cock is downright ecumenical. It’s got catholic tastes and a Protestant work ethic…”

(I think I’m the average incel’s nightmare, though!)

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

There is NO reason a foid need to use some plastic dildo when 1000 other men in their phone will do it for free.

Counterpoint: There is no reason to take the risks of sex with men when you can buy a toy and use it again and again.

Someone should let the men in the phone out though, it must be awfully cramped.

ALL lesbian sex emulates how a man fucks a woman for the most part.

For some reason I feel like this guy’s “research” may have comprised watching a lot of “lesbian” porn for the male gaze.

the average woman, while ugly and often uglier than the average man

Then why do incels put so much effort into seeking them? Couldn’t they have sex with the more attractive men?

Commander-zoidberg

How dare he sully the good name of Dr. John A Zoidberg?comment image

@Brassica

I think I’m the average incel’s nightmare, though!

Incels joke about femdom all the time, but on some level I think their belief that women control the world is some sort of repression of a desire to be dominated. So, possibly a nightmare, but I’m not sure.

Snowberry
Snowberry
1 month ago

The amusing thing is, on the occasions I’ve been with a woman, no penetrative toys have been used. So far anyway, it’s not like I don’t have any.

Catalpa
Catalpa
1 month ago

Hey, the incels have heard of asexuals! They’re just as wrong about us as they are about everything else, but it’s a very weird sort of nice that asexuality is well-known enough that even dudes with their heads jammed firmly up their asses are aware of other people identifying as asexuals.

I wonder if they believe in the existence of asexual men, or if they think that men identifying as such are just incels who are trying to cope using lies. (Actually no, I don’t wonder that, I’m 95% sure I know the answer already.)

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Its just an excuse not to have sex with their looksmatch because they only want chad. You see it all the time.

Women do sometimes pretend to have a boyfriend or a girlfriend when rejecting men, so I guess it’s conceivable that a woman might pretend to be asexual, but this isn’t because all women are chadsexuals. It’s because a whole damn lot of men won’t take no for an answer without either becoming unhinged or trying to talk them into a yes. Pretending to be totally off the market is the quickest and easiest way to get a no accepted.

I’ve encountered my fair share of self proclaimed asexual femshits, each turned out to be worthless whores who go to clubs and suck off every Chad and Tyrone they can.

Given that apparently these dudes stalk the women who turn them down and monitor them when they go out to clubs, it’s not entirely unreasonable that a woman will say anything to get away from a man that’s setting off alarms.

Mabret the Virile Maiden
Mabret the Virile Maiden
1 month ago

I find all men viscerally unattractive, Chad especially. Once again, incels are wrong about everything.

Crip Dyke
1 month ago

tied up and pegged. As a beloved ex used to affectionately say, in reference to my strap on, “Brassica’s cock is downright ecumenical. It’s got catholic tastes and a Protestant work ethic…”

Oh my!

Catalpa
Catalpa
1 month ago

Pretending to be totally off the market is the quickest and easiest way to get a no accepted.

In my experience at least, assholes like this are somewhat likely to accept “no, I have a boyfriend”, because they recognize that the woman is an object that has already been claimed. (There’s a fair number that will say “well, he doesn’t need to know”, still.)

Claiming to not be attracted to men at all (in my experience as an asexual, and from what I’ve heard from lesbians), only seems to invite the assholes to try harder, because clearly HE is special enough that he can “change your mind”. It’s exceedingly unpleasant and I generally go with the imaginary boyfriend route over dealing with that aggression.

Of course, it’s possible that there are women for whom the “I’m asexual, I’m not interested” answer works. Maybe it’s easier for the hypothetical people only pretending to be asexual because if/when the dudes act like assholes, it’s not a deeply personal part of their identity that’s being attacked. If it works to ward off the creeps, then more power to them.

Trying
Trying
1 month ago

Even when I thought I was straight and trying to be straight I found “chads” repulsive. The kind of dude incels say I should like seem like Gaston types.

Toys can find the clit. How many dudes can?

Kevin
Kevin
1 month ago

Hmm, I might go with the Doctor Zoidberg riff – canonically an offworlder who has probably skimped on conversion courses, shown by the doctor’s amusingly hazy and inaccurate ideas about human anatomy and physiology. Why not behaviour patterns too?

Miri
Miri
1 month ago

@Catalpa- a fellow ace! Hi!

Also, I’m not a “woman”, so am I allowed to exist as an aroace?

MexicanHotChocolate
MexicanHotChocolate
1 month ago

Wow! Someone could write a book about what Incels don’t understand about human sexuality. First of all, there’s a word for women who are sexually attracted to both men and women and it isn’t”lesbian”. Second, my friend the lesbian martial artist would like a word with these creeps. It begins with ki and ends yaah!.

Kestrel
Kestrel
1 month ago

No incels, I am not interested in sex with ANYONE, regardless of how attractive they are. I find sex repulsive. This may be TMI but I have not had sex in a decade by choice and I haven’t missed it once. I do not understand the desire to swap bodily fluids. I am not looking for Chad in any way, shape, or form. It took me years to figure out I am Ace, and you don’t get to deny my existence because it feeds into your entitled fantasies.

Go step on some legos barefoot.

katster
katster
1 month ago

I’m ace, too, and frankly I’m a bit oblivious as to who counts as a Chad…I mean, I couldn’t care less. I’m attracted to minds, not bodies.

Battering Lamb
Battering Lamb
1 month ago

Y’know, I’ve had a lot of stupid biases but I’ve never had trouble believing people who said they weren’t attracted to men.

Misogyny and homophobia are particularly toxic manure milkshake.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 month ago

While the usual saying is that it must be tiring to be that angry all the time, it’s pretty clear here that their anger here come from intellectual laziness. Even outside of the dubious claim that asexuality don’t exist or that all lesbians are bi, a lot of people are alone because of lack of opportunity or time ; how come this don’t even come to their mind ?

“catholical taste” for dick hopefully don’t mean the same for english speaker than in french :p

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
1 month ago

Its just an excuse not to have sex with their looksmatch because they only want chad. You see it all the time.

Women are not obliged to play by the rules you’ve made up. We don’t need an excuse to not have sex with a so-called looksmatch. We are free to do as we please.

Brassica
Brassica
1 month ago

@Crip Dyke, I’m glad you like it. 😉

@Ohlmann, while I’m not sure what the implication is in French, the idiom “catholic tastes” (note the little “c”) in English means those tastes are extremely inclusive, or cover a very broad range.

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
1 month ago

The notion of having 1000 different men “in your phone” sounds like some some porn fantasy crossover of “genie in a lamp” and “I have an app for that”.

Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent, Bard of the New Movement
Troubelle: Moonbeam Malcontent, Bard of the New Movement
1 month ago

It’s at times like this I’m glad I’m not conventionally attractive.

I haven’t been hit on in brickspace as far as I’ve been aware since grade six. It seems that when I go places–which has been understandably rare, as of late–I’m practically invisible.

Of course, I’m genderqueer, not a girl, but it’s not like I wear that on my sleeve. Misplaced my flag, you see.

I sort of can’t wait to be able to go to a convention again. As convenient as it is not to be noticed, it is nice to get attention sometimes–and I find that cosplaying as male characters tends to get the right type, thus far.

That said, I’ve only gone as Hifumi Yamada of Danganronpa and Teruteru Hanamura of Super Danganronpa 2 thus far, which has limited the amount I get seeing as both are rather tubby lads which would frankly be a probable subject of this blog if they were to exist. They hence have…few fans; but I cosplay them well, and try to give them more credit than the writers.

I’m tempted to go out of my element and give Nagito Komaeda of Super Danganronpa 2 a shot…but that might attract the wrong crowds, and anyone who knows him knows why!

Getting back to the topic: Also, why the hell are they complaining about this right now? I know we’ve been over this, but there’s a plague! Stay the fuck home, lads!

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 month ago

@Brassica : in french, “catholic tastes” would be liking choir boys. Thanks for the english sense, it’s alway good to know more idioms !

Amtep
Amtep
1 month ago

And here I assumed that “catholic tastes” in this context meant anal 🙂

TacticalProgressive
TacticalProgressive
1 month ago

The deluded, self aggrandizing, toxic male chauvinism on these incels and their sexist, homophobic ilk: is denser than Boron.

Unlike Incels and MGTOW’s: at least Boron has an actual use that humanity benefits positively from.

Battering Lamb
Battering Lamb
1 month ago

@Brassica : in french, “catholic tastes” would be liking choir boys. Thanks for the english sense, it’s alway good to know more idioms !

That would have been my interpretation as well, but figuring the kind of space we like to keep here that seemed unlikely.

occasional reader
occasional reader
1 month ago

I wonder if the male counterpart theory exist : does all the men – including gays and aces – are Stacysexuals ?

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Kevin

Hmm, I might go with the Doctor Zoidberg riff – canonically an offworlder who has probably skimped on conversion courses, shown by the doctor’s amusingly hazy and inaccurate ideas about human anatomy and physiology. Why not behaviour patterns too?

But Dr. Zoidberg is fundamentally good; he’s very dedicated to Professor Farnsworth and even though he misunderstands human behavior and anatomy he wants to do the right thing. It just seems unfair to compare him to incels.

Plus, given incels’ typical biases, I get the feeling this particular incel chose the name for antisemitic reasons, as Zoidberg is a somewhat Jewish-sounding name and the show’s creator was Jewish.

@Ohlmann

a lot of people are alone because of lack of opportunity or time ; how come this don’t even come to their mind ?

That probably doesn’t occur to incels because it would contradict their belief that women and Chads have a very easy time getting sex and can get it instantly. Therefore, they wouldn’t think there is an opportunity or time cost associated. This is also probably why they don’t spend more time trying to have sex, because they think it should be effortless.

@Battering Lamb
That’s what I would have originally read it as, but given the context I assumed it wasn’t that.

@occasional reader

I wonder if the male counterpart theory exist : does all the men – including gays and aces – are Stacysexuals ?

Although I haven’t heard them explicitly state that, it seems like the manosphere often assumes that all men are attracted to the same kinds of women they are, so it seems to be implied. Incels have previously also stated that gay men are horny straight men who couldn’t find a woman to date and decided to date other men.

Catalpa
Catalpa
1 month ago

@Catalpa- a fellow ace! Hi!

Also, I’m not a “woman”, so am I allowed to exist as an aroace?

Hello!!! Always good to meet fellow aces!

Ooh, aromantic, asexual, AND nonbinary? Congratulations, you get to not exist on three different axes! I’m pretty sure that means you get to turn invisible at will. I can only go translucent myself u.u

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
1 month ago

@Miri, Catalpa, Kestrel (or anyone else who has a suggestion!)

Kinda a nosy question, but are there any novels you can recommend with an ace MC? Not come across any, and it’s a concept I find a bit difficult to get my head around.

I dislike not understanding things that are important. 🙂

North Sea Sparkly Dragon (Formerly Nanny Oggs Busom)
North Sea Sparkly Dragon (Formerly Nanny Oggs Busom)
1 month ago

If they really think all women at ‘chadsexual’ and ‘chad’ness requires a certain body type why don’t the go to the gym, go on high protein diets, etc., to obtain a ‘chad-like’ body?

I know the answer; if they did something like that and they still couldn’t get laid they’d find something else to blame it on. The fact that they have repulsive personalities and beliefs wouldn’t occur to them.

@Catalpa

I’m sure I don’t exist either, what with being an evil, evil fatty as well as non-binary and aromantic. While I am pansexual, I don’t find the type of build that Incels consider ‘Chad’ to be attractive. Even Chris Hemsworth at his Thor finest was only a ‘he’s pretty, I suppose, I get why you’d find him attractive but doesn’t do anything for me’. I’ve found the men I come across in person with that ‘Chad’ body to be extremely insecure and misogynistic. The insecurity is usually about something else but they express it in misogyny and excessive use of the gym. I am always very reserved when a man with gym-muscles is in a social group, because of bad social experiences. Plus, I just don’t find it attractive. The tiny, tiny brains of the incels would just explode at the thought that such people as we exist.

Oh, hey, did anyone see the incel tosser on Twitter screaming that autistic women don’t exist? He got his arse handed to him by a large number of autistic women and non-binary AFAB people, but the fact that people were agreeing with him is worrying.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@North Sea Sparkly Dragon

I know the answer; if they did something like that and they still couldn’t get laid they’d find something else to blame it on. The fact that they have repulsive personalities and beliefs wouldn’t occur to them.

That, and that they think they shouldn’t have to, that they’re entitled to women. They don’t want to do any extra work.

I don’t find the type of build that Incels consider ‘Chad’ to be attractive. Even Chris Hemsworth at his Thor finest was only a ‘he’s pretty, I suppose, I get why you’d find him attractive but doesn’t do anything for me’. I’ve found the men I come across in person with that ‘Chad’ body to be extremely insecure and misogynistic.

Same here. When it comes to men, I prefer more androgynous or feminine men, and most of the more muscular men just aren’t attractive to me. And I’ve seen the same issues re: misogyny and insecurity.

Oh, hey, did anyone see the incel tosser on Twitter screaming that autistic women don’t exist?

I didn’t see it, but what? I’m pretty sure I exist. They might say I don’t count because I’m a trans* woman, but even then I know a lot of autistic cis women and other AFAB people. The intersection of misogyny and ableism that autistic women face (not sure if there’s a special term for that intersection) is very widespread, in no small part due to horrible organizations like Autism $peaks, and there are all kinds of myths about how autism is 4x more common in boys, but outright denial is usually a bridge too far even for them.

Cyborgette
Cyborgette
1 month ago

And why do they resort to buying dildos when real penises are available for nothing?

For starters, dildos can be washed manually as needed, instead of having to be convinced to take a shower (and then neglecting to use soap).

Catalpa
Catalpa
1 month ago

@ Threp

Ah, I’ve been neglecting my novel-reading for quite a while now.

Dreams of Shreds and Tatters has an asexual protagonist, though I haven’t finished the book yet so I can’t talk about it extensively.

The Protector of the Small quartet by Tamora Pierce has a protagonist who is aroace by Word-of-God, though it’s not really explicitly discussed in the books.

This page has a list of books which I have not read but really should get on: http://queerbooksforteens.com/best-of-lists/books-with-asexual-characters/

I mostly listen to podcasts nowadays, and I managed to stumble upon not one, not two, but three podcasts with asexual protagonists without explicitly seeking them out (which may explain why my preferred media is now podcasts). These are: The Magnus Archives, Ars Paradoxica, and The Alexandria Archives. (Honorable mention goes to The Penumbra Podcast and The Bright Sessions, which are podcasts with asexual supporting characters, though they are not the protagonists.)

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
1 month ago

@Catalpa

Thank you, you are kind.

Been meaning to read the Protector of the Small series – Pierce keeps getting mentioned here and elsewhere as a really great writer that I’ve not read yet, far as I recall.

Can’t really get into podcasts for learning things, so I’ll stick to the book list! Thank you! 🙂

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
1 month ago

Naglfar:

Dr. Zoidberg is fundamentally good; he’s very dedicated to Professor Farnsworth and even though he misunderstands human behavior and anatomy he wants to do the right thing.

Ah, the dilemma of practicing medicine on humans. You can’t understand their sexual anatomy without killing and dissecting them all; and if you did that, it’d defeat the purpose of acquiring that knowledge.

Miri
Miri
1 month ago

@Catalpa- I’m agender!

And @Threp and Catalpa- PotS is my favorite book series ever, so I highly recommend that. Also, Tamora Pierce has a lot of queer characters- there’s a black lesbian and a lesbian and a bisexual woman in a semi-open relationship, all in the same universe. In that same universe, there’s another character that fully reads as aroace, although Tammy has said that she’s straight. Also Daine is demi and you can pry that hc from my cold dead hands.

Tammy has been writing since the early 80s, so some of the attitudes in her books are outdated or less nuanced than modern books, but they still hold up today. The PotS books were written in the late 90s/early 2000s, so asexuality was probably not as well known as it is today, which is probably why the aroace thing is WoG rather than explicitly in the text.

Unfortunately, I can’t think of other ace rep. There’s plenty of characters that I read as aspec but it’s not mentioned in the text.

Pagan Reader - Nonexistent Misandrist Spinster
Pagan Reader - Nonexistent Misandrist Spinster
1 month ago

@Threp
Every Heart a Doorway by Seanan McGuire has a heteroromantic ace protagonist.
It’s a portal fantasy about kids who found doors to other worlds, got sent back to our world and want to go home.

Dalillama
Dalillama
1 month ago

@Threp
Using no other criteria, the protagonist of Elizabeth Moon’s Deed of Paksennarion series is canon aroace. One of the protagonists of Drake’s RCN/Leary and Mundy series likewise. IIRC also one of the protagonists of the Aubrey-Maturin books, but it’s been a long time. More as I think of them.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
1 month ago

The Company of Death by Elisa Hansen features an ace protagonist, and the author herself is ace.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Miri
So you’ve got the a-triad: aro, ace, and agender? I think we have one other commenter who is also all of those, as IIRC Knitting Cat Lady is.

O/T, but some might find this entertaining:
John Boyne, the author famous for his transphobic book that misgenders the main character in the title and for arguing with the Auschwitz Museum about the Holocaust, has now published a new historical fiction novel where he (supposedly accidentally) included a dye recipe from Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild. The mystery is why any publishing house still wants him.

Miri
Miri
1 month ago

@Naglfar- yep! I have the a-trifecta 😀 and hell yeah!

Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
Threp (formerly Shadowplay)
1 month ago

Wait. Paks is aroace? Damn. I misread that bit of motivation hard.

Not a criticism or a complaint – I read that series while on active, so my own background and expectations seeped in to her motivations. Duty, concentration on perfecting her art, and the couple of rapes making sex kinda unappealing for her (she’s a fair one for taking blame where none’s due at times) were my take. Plus the whole paladin thing.

Need to reread them now. Which isn’t exactly an unpleasant task. 🙂

Eliza Hansen is now on the reading list, thank you!

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
1 month ago

@Threp

Elizabeth once said that she’d TRIED to make Paks interested in other people romantically (I don’t know if this was editorial pressure or what), but that “the girl just wasn’t interested in sex.”

(Mr. Parasol and I have known Elizabeth and her family for years.)

Dalillama
Dalillama
1 month ago

@Threp
The protagonists of Leckie’s Imperial Radsch series and Wells’ Murderbot as well, but they’re not precisely human so it may not count.

Klaaraa
Klaaraa
1 month ago

How to be a Normal Person by TJ Klune

Masse_Mysteria
Masse_Mysteria
1 month ago

This almost seems like some superhero genre cliche thing. “I am so ugly that no woman wants to have sex with me — clearly my exact opposite, a man so handsome that every woman wants to have sex with him, must exist!” No it doesn’t. Your ugliness (which is in all likelihood debatable anyhow) is not the thing keeping you back.

@Miri

There’s plenty of characters that I read as aspec but it’s not mentioned in the text.

Years ago I hung out on an asexual forum where there was a discussion on asexual characters in fiction. I remember how almost everyone was unanimous on Spock from Star Trek being ace, but there was no consensus on whether he should be considered aromantic. This division seemed to show who shipped Spirk and who didin’t. (This was of course before the new movies.)

Miri
Miri
1 month ago

@Masse_Mysteria- I read Spock as demi, to be perfectly honest. (But I also ship Spirk, so…)

Dalillama
Dalillama
1 month ago

IIRC the protagonist of Tobias Buckell’s Arctic Rising is canon ace, and several main characters from his Xenowealth books appear to be, I can’t recall if it’s explicitly stated.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 month ago

@Masse_mysteria

I remember how almost everyone was unanimous on Spock from Star Trek being ace

I am not ace, so I am definitely not an authority at all, but how would Spock being asexual work with the pon farr? Would it be possible he’s some kind of grey ace and sometimes has a sex drive? Again please correct me if I’m misunderstanding anything.

As for ace characters, what about Todd Chavez from BoJack Horseman? He’s canonically ace and either heteroromantic or biromantic (it’s never made clear, but he has a romantic relationship with an asexual female character at one point). There’s even a subplot where another character creates an asexual dating app.