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Warren Farrell: Sexual harassment lawsuits are just the latest version of the female mate selection process

By David Futrelle

I‘ve been rereading Warren Farrell’s Myth of Male Power — basically the MRA bible — and boy does my brain hurt.

If you haven’t had the distinct unpleasure of reading any of Farrell’s books, it’s hard to convey just how frustrating and infuriating his writing style is; it’s rambling and convoluted and weirdly evasive. It’s as if he faintly knows that what he’s saying makes no goddamn sense and is trying to do his best to cover up his leaps of illogic with sheer bafflegab.

Let me present you with some of his finest work in this vein, found in his discussion of sexual harassment.

As you might expect, Farrell is not a big fan of sexual harassment legislation, which he feels is discriminatory against men because how are they supposed to know when they’re sexually harassing someone? And also isn’t it unfair that women still get to dress all sexy at work, I mean, it’s like they want you to sexually harass them or something.

That is, as best as I can discern it, his basic argument. But the more closely you read his writing on the subject the weirder it gets. Let’s take this extended disquisition on the evils of miniskirts.

Many women ask, “What’s the big deal with a miniskirt, perfume, and a little flirting in the workplace?” It would not be a big deal for most men if no one were making a big deal of the man’s response.

In other words, it wouldn’t be a big deal if no one cared about men ogling women in the office and saying sexually suggestive things to them about said miniskirts.

But, he thinks, it sends out the wrong sort of signals to men, who see a woman in a miniskirt and think “there’s a woman who wants to get married and quit work.”

It is a big deal, though, for the woman—if her goal is to be treated seriously at work. Here’s why. Her indirect initiatives signal to the man her tendency to avoid direct responsibility. Indirect initiatives signal to him that he is dealing with a woman who is traditional. And traditionally, indirect initiatives were designed to lead to marriage and the end of her involvement in the workplace.

Yeah, maybe if you live inisde a sitcom from the 1960s

So the miniskirt, perfume, and flirting unconsciously tell the man that this woman wants an end to her involvement in the workplace—or, at least, an end to her involvement by obligation.

Because it’s so common for women to marry and quit their jobs. So common that in fact women make up the majority of those in the workforce.

If you were a boss who had to choose between promoting someone who had the option to work versus someone with the obligation to work (e.g., to support a spouse and three children), whom would you take more seriously?

Most women, miniskirted or not, don’t have the option to not work. Only about a quarter of mothers are stay-at-home housewives these days.

Oh, but he’s not done. If you thought wearing miniskirts was bad, consider lipstick. And/or flowers in the hair.

In almost all cultures throughout human history, women’s indirect initiatives were their way of signaling their desire for men to take direct initiatives.

If she smiles at you, it means she wants your dick pics.

A flirtation was an invitation. In some cultures, lipstick was a woman’s way of signaling her willingness to perform fellatio. In the South Sea islands, a fresh flower in a woman’s hair signaled availability. The purpose of the flower, lipstick, or the miniskirt is to put the signal out strongly enough to stimulate every man’s interest. It is only when she has every man’s interest that she has real choice—the choice of the “best” men.

What is it with these guys and lipstick? No, dude, women wearing lipstick aren’t “signaling” anything other than the fact that they think they look good in lipstick.

Also, I want to know exactly which cultures think lipstick means “she wants to give blowjobs.” Farrell has no footnote for that fun factoid; I’m guessing it was pulled directly from his ass.

Farrell then concludes that when women say “no” to the men attracted to them by miniskirts and lipstick and hair-flowers they really mean “keep going.”

What has been the historical importance of her barriers—her “no, noes”? It was her way of selecting a man who could handle life’s rejections and survive, who cared enough for her to take risks, and who would assume total responsibility should anything go awry.

Apparently the ladies are really into guys who do and say things that would get them accused of sexual harassment if they did or said them to someone else?

In a sense, sexual harassment lawsuits are just the latest version of the female selection process—allowing her to select for men who care enough for her to put their career at risk; who have enough finesse to initiate without becoming a jerk and enough guts to initiate despite a potential lawsuit. During this process, she gets a sense of his trustworthiness, his commitment, his ability to overcome barriers, the way he handles rejection.

I’m pretty sure that most women are far more appreciative of men who handle rejection by not hitting on them any more than they are of those who respond to “no” by escalating their “courtship” behavior.

Sexual initiatives by men toward women below them at work is the most frequent definition of sexual harassment. When it works, it’s called courtship. When it doesn’t work, it’s called harassment.

Huh. Maybe men shouldn’t be hitting on women they supervise in the first place. (Or vice versa)

Anyway, enough of that. Does anyone want to hear his defense of dirty jokes at work?

Although both sexes have their own styles of humor, we often heard during the Thomas-Hill confrontation that dirty jokes were the way male bosses exert their power over women. Hardly. Men share dirty jokes with peers, buddies, and with anyone with whom they feel comfortableA dirty joke is often a male boss’s unconscious way of getting his staff to not take him so seriously and therefore not be intimidated; his way of creating an atmosphere of easier feedback, of getting his staff to bond. Men get confused when women say they feel left out when they’re not included, then sue when they are included!

Ah women, those mysterious creatures who for some strange reason don’t want to “bond” with their boss over some joke about a man from Nantucket.

Farrell, for better or worse, is the intellectual godfather of the Men’s Rights movement; his ideas have basically defined the ideology of the movement for nearly three decades. No wonder the Men’s Rights movement is so fucked up.

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Naglfar
Naglfar
4 years ago

Also O/T: JK Rowling has literally declared that the lurkers support her in email:
https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1287015244745920513

Bastethotep
Bastethotep
4 years ago

So women in miniskirts are good girls longing to be swept up by Prince Charming and become good little traditional housewives and mothers now? But I thought they were nasty feminazi slutty whores who need no man and only want to ride the Cock Carousel? Can’t these sexist idiots at least keep their stupid stereotypes consisten-
Er, I mean, silly females, they’re totally crazy and irrational, their pretty little heads don’t know what they want!

Let us, for the sake of argument, assume that miniskirts and make-up do indeed signal availability. Clearly, this is a general, non-specific, non-committal signal. It should go without saying that rejecting your advances overrules this signaling, being more specific and definitive. Especially when that’s the response you’ve been getting consistently all the previous times you tried.

Prith kDar
Prith kDar
4 years ago

Jordass Peterboy made the same “point” about lipstick and makeup and heels. It didn’t sound any more rational coming out of his mouth. Did he get the idea from Farrell or did Farrell get it from him?

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 years ago

@Prith kDar
I’d guess Peteyboy got it from Farrell, as Lobsterboy published his first book in 1999, 6 years after the first edition of Farrell’s The Myth of Male Power.

Snowberry
Snowberry
4 years ago

The “hanky code” was never entirely consistent. It was worse before the internet. You had to learn the local variant. And then you had to deal with the risk of the occasional people who wear or leave a hanky sticking out but have no idea it means anything. Or the risk that the people who gave you the local variant weren’t mistaken or trolling.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
4 years ago

[S]exual harassment lawsuits are just the latest version of the female selection process—allowing her to select for men who care enough for her to put their career at risk; who have enough finesse to initiate without becoming a jerk and enough guts to initiate despite a potential lawsuit. During this process, she gets a sense of his trustworthiness, his commitment, his ability to overcome barriers, the way he handles rejection.

So true. If I really, really like a guy, I file a sexual harassment lawsuit against him. If he still sends me flowers, I know he still likes me. A guy who isn’t strong enough to laugh off a sexual harassment lawsuit just isn’t enough of a man for me.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 years ago

@Snowberry
It also requires some very specific colors of handkerchiefs, with minor variations in color meaning totally different things. I imagine this makes life difficult for colorblind BDSM enthusiasts.

Amtep
Amtep
4 years ago

@Naglfar
On the other hand, “Excuse me, I’m colorblind, what color is your handkerchief?” makes a great icebreaker.

Lukas Xavier
Lukas Xavier
4 years ago

But, he thinks, it sends out the wrong sort of signals to men, who see a woman in a miniskirt and think “there’s a woman who wants to get married and quit work.”

Sounds like a problem with the men, to me. If you conclude anything other than “nice legs”, you’re speculating beyond the data.

Drungarios
Drungarios
4 years ago

Does anyone even still wear miniskirts in the office? I don’t think I’ve ever seen one in my professional life.

Moon Custafer
Moon Custafer
4 years ago

@Snowberry, @Naglfar:

I once read a late-‘50s/early-‘60s “expose of homosexual life” novel in which the local code involves specific drink orders, and the narrator discovers after the fact that that handsome guy didn’t approach him at random, he’d inadvertently propositioned him first. Fortunately the narrator enjoyed the encounter; and also the guy he’d slept with was the owner of the bar and locally powerful, so having pleased him, narrator was under his protection and no one would dare mug or blackmail him.

Masse_Mysteria
Masse_Mysteria
4 years ago

@Amtep

@Naglfar
On the other hand, “Excuse me, I’m colorblind, what color is your handkerchief?” makes a great icebreaker.

Mention of colourblindness may be optional. I once had a colourblind classmate, and since that didn’t come up very often, we sometimes enjoyed some absurdity when he pointed at something and asked “What colour is that?”

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 years ago

@Masse_mysteria
I am not colorblind, but my grandfather is, so when I would play Trivial Pursuit with my family growing up he always had to ask what color the cards were.

The discussion of hanky codes is reminding me of an episode (TW discussion of sex) of The Violet Wanderers where they played a game about it and discussed the possible pitfalls of colorblindness with regards to it.

Beyond Ocean
Beyond Ocean
4 years ago

[S]exual harassment lawsuits are just the latest version of the female selection process—allowing her to select for men who care enough for her to put their career at risk; who have enough finesse to initiate without becoming a jerk and enough guts to initiate despite a potential lawsuit. During this process, she gets a sense of his trustworthiness, his commitment, his ability to overcome barriers, the way he handles rejection.

I find myself wondering if all of this elaborate “what she actually means when she wants nothing to do with you” code, that had been pretty much ingrained into modern culture since long ago, was simply created by and for proto-incels to protect their ego.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
4 years ago

@Beyond Ocean : sort of ? It originate in privilege, like male nobles being able to coerce sex from any commoner under their charges, and incels are basically people that think they are privilegied but actually aren’t.

But then, until recent time it wasn’t to protect the ego of the males. It was more a consequence of impunity.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
4 years ago

A Republican called AOC a “f-ing b-word” on the Capitol steps and later delivered a notpology on the house floor. AOC was having none of it.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
4 years ago

In many Western cultures, peeing on the boss’ desk signals a desire to be unemployed….

Also, this is good

https://www.thecut.com/2020/07/aoc-speech-ted-yoho-new-york-times.html?fbclid=IwAR1mGzotP_HpY8z__BjGkz0ij3n2WExTXNyktCgeqbhFOWUn1F9yeT3BnLo

Moggie
Moggie
4 years ago

@Drungarios:

Does anyone even still wear miniskirts in the office? I don’t think I’ve ever seen one in my professional life.

I guess it might vary by business sector, but I can think of only two, maybe three co-workers who wore them, and that’s going back to the 80s.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
4 years ago

An interesting take on bigotry. Don’t know how much water it holds. My guess would be “it’s a contributing factor, but not the only one” just because so many things are that way.

https://eand.co/why-america-is-so-hateful-4ef03915e156?source=your_stories_page—————————&gi=84e5ee3352b3

(Note: that site likes to try to impose silly restrictions on articles read per month and such. It’s easy to circumvent this nonsense by right clicking and opening links to it in an incognito window.)

Snowberry
Snowberry
4 years ago

@Surplus to Requirements: I wasn’t aware you could do things like that. I’ve been circumventing that “nonsense” on other sites with “select all / copy / paste”. It doesn’t copy the pictures (or the ads), but otherwise that works too.

Naglfar
Naglfar
4 years ago

@Surplus
It also often works to check the Internet Archive. For older articles it’s often already there without the paywall, and for newer ones it’s easy to archive them.

As for the article, I do think projection is a major part of the conservative world view. In addition to bigotry, I also think it leads to a lot of their attack strategies. For instance, how they call people on the left “snowflakes” but then melt down about having to wear a mask or having their ideas challenged.

And the article is right that conservatives generally have no sense of humor, hence their singular joke and their inability to make memes.

Katherine the Adequate
Katherine the Adequate
4 years ago

WTF is “flirting unconsciously”? Sounds like a delusion that creepos have that has no bearing on reality. They use it to justify their behavior. Sounds like a place where I worked in the midwest a few years ago where an alcoholic pos kept hitting on me. He was charming and good buddies with the boss, so it was my word against his. I found another job.

P.S., we all wore uniforms, so there were no chances to wear “miniskirts” for anyone. And the guy had BO that would knock out an elephant. I wore no perfume, but I often had to hold my breath if I was within a few feet of him. Fun times.

Podkayne Lives
Podkayne Lives
4 years ago

The lipstick thing has been around for a while–I keep finding people claiming that Sumerian sex workers, or Roman sex workers, or Victorian sex workers (it moves around) painted their lips specifically to indicate the availability of fellatio.

I have NEVER seen a source to back this up, and I find it improbable for various reasons. (Not least being that Roman brothels, at least, told you exactly what was available, and what you’d pay for it, and painted all the options and prices on the wall for easy reference.)

Robert
Robert
4 years ago

I remember a hanky code moment from the 1980s. I was meeting some college friends for the San Francisco Pride Parade, and a mutual acquaintance stopped by to say hello. As he departed, I noticed the purple bandana in his right rear jeans pocket.

Not recognizing the code, I asked one of my friends for illumination. ‘It matches his polo shirt, ‘ he replied acerbically.

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
4 years ago

The lipstick thing has been around for a while–I keep finding people claiming that Sumerian sex workers, or Roman sex workers, or Victorian sex workers (it moves around) painted their lips specifically to indicate the availability of fellatio.

Sex worker at least sounds plausible, as opposed to generic “women”. I mean, how often do women usually need to specifically advertise blowjobs?

Warrell seems to be scraping up alleged evidence for the notion that sexual “hanky codes” have been a common thing for women across various cultures, therefore… something.

How is this relevant for people whose culture treats women’s lipstick and flower hairpieces as simple decoration? Warrell asserts:

In almost all cultures throughout human history, women’s indirect initiatives were their way of signaling their desire for men to take direct initiatives.

The purpose of the flower, lipstick, or the miniskirt is to put the signal out strongly enough to stimulate every man’s interest. It is only when she has every man’s interest that she has real choice—the choice of the “best” men.

Sounds somewhat plausible again. But then again, our common desire to “look good” isn’t remotely limited to partner seeking situations, or people who are open to dating. It’s not limited to just women either.

AFAIK in “almost all cultures” when men approach women, they’re expected to be courteous to some standard and to take no for an answer (and maybe only propose her through her parents, or somesuch). This isn’t just a modern feminist invention. And even if it was, why would be bad just because it’s historically unusual?