‘Cause now I’ve got the pill
By David Futrelle
So I’ve been poking around the BlackPillScience subreddit, where the regulars discuss the latest scientific research that proves ugly dudes have it harder than non-ugly dudes in life and love. And they do, to some extent, but then again there are plenty of ugly dudes who have great lives and get laid on a regular basis, “black pill” be damned.
Anyway, actual scientists do research on this shit and these guys discuss it. But let’s just say that the discussions are a little less scientific than the papers under discussion.
Take this little comment-cum-manifesto posted in a topic discussing arranged marriages among current-day hunter-gatherers.
Listen carefully, women were never meant to control their own reproduction. It’s entirely unnatural and has adverse consequences on culture and the foundations of civilization.
But of course birth control is a-OK if men want to use it.
If a man does not wish to impregnate a woman then all he has to do is wear a condom or pull out at the appropriate time (or both). But at all times it should remain his choice, not hers.
What’s not good for the goose is good for the gander.
People in ancient civilizations used to watch the calendar and only had sex when appropriate. This system successfully facilitated humanity’s rise for literally thousands of years. When a woman has control over her own biology it opens up far too many options that adversely affect us all in immeasurable ways.
If you want to reject all medical technology invented since the ancient Egyptians, feel free to go right ahead, dude.
When women control their own reproduction it facilitates promiscuity, hypergamy, feminism, labor market disruptions, housing inflation, and beta male exclusion.
“Beta male exclusion?” Dude, birth control makes it less risky to have heterosexual sex. This benefits everyone who likes to have heterosexual sex, including so-called beta males.
Beta males are not inferior, they are in essence what builds civilizations and enables the privileges that both men and women currently take for granted.
It would be rather difficult to maintain civilization without the work of women. But yes, the majority of men do the majority of the work that men do.
It is only by forcing an equitable distribution of women among men than this thing we call civilization is maintained in the long run.
Well this is just a tiny bit chilling, huh — even though it’s only a smidgen blunter than Jordan Peterson’s “enforced monogamy.” How exactly would one go about “forcing an equitable distribution of women among men?” You can’t treat women like they’re government cheese.
Here’s Loretta Lynn offering a rebuttal on behalf of married women tired of having no control over their reproductive lives. I’ll take the Loretta pill over the black pill any day.
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Somehow I bet these men would freak out if they were offered some experimental form of male birth control. Most men seem to think contraception is the woman’s responsibility.
One of the many paradoxes of the manosphere is, if men built civilization, why is it supposedly so anti-male? Wouldn’t that imply that men are really bad at building and maintaining civilization?
IIRC our visitor Friendly Neighborhood Incel was saying something about this. He seemed to think we should use social coercion then claimed it wasn’t really coercion. I wonder if he’ll swing by this thread to make more assertions then never respond to people’s responses to him.
They’re essential workers. Heroes.
(My apologies to the actual essential workers, as well as my gratitude.)
Wouldn’t it be more accurate to say that men do the work that men do?
Why is female birth control considered unnatural, but condoms aren’t? Does the guy think we get condoms off of a condom tree?
Yeah, modern-day condoms do precede modern-day birth control pills by a bit, but people have been using less exact forms of birth control for centuries- penis-havers used condoms made of animal intestine, and vagina-havers used an assortment of herbal mixtures.
@Kat
I would think so, and Iron Maiden would like to remind us that men also do the evil that men do.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=M6JpxDebokM
@Catalpa
In addition, rhythm methods have been around for a long time. And although it’s probably not considered birth control by modern definition, sex workers in Ancient Rome (and possibly elsewhere) used anal sex to avoid pregnancy.
It’s strange to look at ourselves in 2020, at the very height of human civilisation and development, and say “yeah, civilisation can only work when it was structured when it worked poorly”.
There used to be some kind of plant around northern Africa that was so heavily used that it went extinct. It was called silphium and it was frequently prescribed medicinally to “bring on menstruation,” in other words it was an abortificant. Abortion in the ancient world was not a big deal morally speaking, and was a common way to avoid having scads of children in an environment where contraception was difficult.
The ancient Mediterranean civs also made heavy use of Silphium as a supposedly reliable contraceptive and/or abortifacient, eventually overharvesting it into extinction in the first century.
WELL, DUH! No sexual animal can control it’s own reproduction. Some plants are sexual/asexual under certain conditions, some change depending on their life stage, and some are all the time. But as far as I know animals are either sexual or asexual.
@ Naglfar:
Trust me… we are really bad
@PoM
Indeed, despite what many religious fundamentalists today would say, the Old Testament does not oppose abortion and prescribes it for a number of reasons, including suspected infidelity.
@Weird Eddie
What about the Lake Duck? The males have corkscrew penises and the females have corkscrew vaginas but they can flip the shape to prevent penetration. That sounds like controlling one’s own reproduction. And kangaroos and a few other animals can freeze the development of a fetus temporarily then resume later, such as in times of scarcity.
Female porcupines must cooperate with mating, for obvious reasons. They cannot be raped by the male and absolutely control when reproduction occurs.
I think that Weird Eddie was making a joke about no animals being able to control the type of their reproduction (i.e. sexual reproduction v.s. asexual reproduction via budding and whatnot.)
There are a wide variety of animals that have a high level of control over the actual reproductive process. In fact, I believe that humans are rare among mammals in that we do not have the inherent ability to reabsorb/abort the fetus at will.
@Catalpa
Sorry, I misinterpreted him as suggesting animals can’t control gestation and fertilization.
I recall a woman I knew a few years ago who was really into goddess worship and new age spiritual stuff who claimed she could feel her eggs moving and control her ovulation with meditation, but I would guess that was made up. Reminds me a bit of that troll SRLO and his (deeply inaccurate) thoughts on menstruation.
Lady whale sharks hold on to sperm and then fertilise eggs as and when seems to be convenient for them. So they can carry multiple foetuses all at various stages of development.
https://www.int-res.com/articles/esr2010/12/n012p117.pdf
I just finished reading a very interesting book called “Contraception and Abortion from the Ancient World to the Renaissance” (John Riddle is the author) which details the many actually quite effective methods people used to control reproduction. Incels/MRAs prove once again that their knowledge of history is utter garbage.
I should note that the book actually does a half-decent job not focusing solely on Western Europe.
Riddle’s good. Really good writer, and an amazing teacher. His “History of the Middle Ages” should be required reading.
The ancients DID use contraception and it was controlled by the women because they were the ones using it. I mean it’s in the historical records that an entire plant species went extinct from overharvesting due to it’s use solely as a contraceptive
Whereas all you ever think about is the future of civilization.
Listen carefully, women are the only ones who should control female reproduction. When that happens, women are healthier and happier and so are their children. And that’s what civilization is based on: healthy, happy women and their healthy, happy children.
@David Futrelle:
Thank you for that musical reminder of a time when country music (by, for example, actual coal miners’ daughters) was quite capable of railing against the power structure.
@Weird Eddie : I am not sure if your post was meant as satire, but of course that most living being actually control their reproduction to various extent. Typically female fertility is dependant on them having enough food for example. Not to mention time of the year, with humans being the exception as one of few species that don’t have a dedicated timing for babies.
It’s similar to say that no animal can control their breathing. Of course they can and they do.
Human require pills and whatnot mostly because thoses controls are not conscious, so a woman cannot consciously decide that she don’t want babies without condoms or whatnot. But not having conscious control isn’t the same as not having control at all, doubly so when talking of animal who are not all conscious, and the one who are don’t necessarily rely on that as much as humans.
@Naglfar:
Horses and, I believe, rats can actually reabsorb the fetus(es) under certain circumstances, e.g. the mother is under extreme stress or lacks adequate nutrition (which would certainly be stress inducing).
Sorry if someone already mentioned this: I haven’t read through all the comments.
@Bookworm in hijab: good to see you posting (I always liked the pic that accompanies your nym), and thanks for the book recommendation. I know what my next inter-library request will be.
@ObSidJag
Rabbits can do that, too, though sometimes they’ll just deliver some deceased kits with a subsequent litter.
I am almost too scared to ask but I genuinely wonder what “redistributing women” would look like…
And how a man like this would react if the woman “distributed” to him was not sufficiently attractive (in his opinion.)
They’re awful and show everyday why nobody wants them.
I am 99% sure that he would take out his anger and frustration on the woman he was “distributed”.
@Catalpa
It also seems fairly likely he’d take it out on other women in addition, like Elliot Rodger’s original plan to attack a sorority house.