By David Futrelle
Today I present to you some thoughtful comments posted to this blog by critics. Well, they weren’t technically posted here in that I didn’t let any of them through moderation. But I think you’ll see why I felt they were worth sharing with you all.
First, there’s a dude called, somewhat ironically, RealitySpeaking who has a unique solution to the whole incel problem:
If you don’t do something to correct the gender imbalance there will be an uprising of men most likely sooner or later in the west as Black Pidgeon Speaks has warned in his analysis. There will be lots of violence and you are going to end up like the Middle East or any other countries with gender imbalances in partners for males.
At the very least you should make it mandatory for some of them to become women in order to correct this, at least the most feminine ones in the population
(I believe this commenter is the same dude who put forth a similar plan several weeks ago. )
Then there’s “God,” with a rather spectacularly antisemitic (and thoroughly wrongheaded) take on Stefan Molyneux:
Molyneux is Jewish and has always been controlled opposition working for the neocon Jews who led the fake Alt-Right movement, which is another BS movement run by Jews to make whites look bad. But you see, Molyneux finally began to cave in to expose the evil Jew only after being pressured by his uneducated Alt-Right followers to name the Jew. And he did so for the money. Like all Jews, money is the God of Molyneux.
For what it’s worth, while Molyneux does indeed seem to be a big fan of money, he’s not Jewish. (He did apparently have a Jewish grandmother, but he’s clearly not culturally or religiously Jewish. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.) Also, I’m pretty sure Jews aren’t secretly running their own fake version of the alt right.
Then there’s this guy, who has some thoughts on “international Chad markets” in Europe and East Asia.
[T]he reason why the fertility rate is dropping is that there simply aren’t enough chadlike men in some of the aforementioned nations/continents. When was the last time you saw an East Asian who qualified as an alpha male? The declining birthrate in Japan, I would say, is due to the existence of novel, international chad markets that native Japanese women are eager to take advantage of, leaving Japanese men to wear makeup and live like hermits amongst their comic books and talking foid simulators.
Next he moves on to, er, Brexit.
Likewise, the hostility towards such movements as Brexit and all the elite bashing of anyone who so much as criticizes the EU is no doubt the result of women looking to expand their available pool of +8 men.
Women’s unchecked sex drives are one of THE major causes of globalization in the modern world, and I can easily foresee a future in which attractive, mogmaxxing men are abducted from every corner of the world, and brought against their will to live in wealthier nations where they will be relegated to pleasing the every sexual whim of whichever woman it’s their turn to please.
Well, someone’s got a very vivid imagination, huh?
Sub 8 men will find themselves with even fewer of the rights they so presently enjoy.
Speaking as a sub-8 man I really have no fucking idea what he’s talking about here. I have as many rights as anyone else, and I’m really not afraid of being replaced by kidnapped international alphas.
Well, that’s enough of a male bag for one day.
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This is bizarre. There’s a gender imbalance, which will lead to violence, which will lead to a gender imbalance? What?
And then he thinks the way to defend men is to force some of them to undergo gender surgery?
This is weird, even by the usual MRA standards.
Ignoring his “interesting” ideas about causes, let’s just look at some numbers.
Out of the top 20 most populous countries, Japan is the only one with a shrinking population. China, India and Indonesia together account for 40% of the world’s population and they’re all on the rise.
I really don’t think a lack of babies is our biggest concern.
@ clever4agirl
We’re gonna need a bigger bed.
Is it just me, or does this sound a lot like the “mail order bride” business that, y’know, actually operates today?
Look, dudes, feminism does push for equality, but having women and men be commonly and equally dehumanized, objectified, and sexually assaulted is not one of its aims. Not having anyone be dehumanized, objectified, or sexually assaulted is the ideal goal.
@Masse_mysteria
My guess is that he’s referring to the racial stereotype of East Asian men as less manly, given how much they rely on stereotypes. I’m not sure about elsewhere, but this stereotype is fairly common in America today.
@Lukas Xavier
I’d guess he’s a chaser or has some force feminization fantasies. Or he just has the typical alt right hatred of effeminate/GNC men.
It’s also the logical, if ugly, conclusion of thinking that men should be superior and women inferior.
@Naglfar:
I’d be worried about them being organized from the outside. Picture Trump’s DHS incorporating a unit of Incel Shock Troops to send after antifa, with the promise of “comfort women” for those who rack up enough kills.
If he’s not ousted this fall, I wouldn’t be too surprised to see such an Incelsatzgruppen, or similar, terrorizing the countryside by next summer.
@Surplus
That would be a risk, but I don’t see it as particularly likely. There are way more people who aren’t incels but who are angry conservatives who already have guns, and it seems more likely Trump would call on those, as he somewhat already has in the form of stochastic terrorism.
Plus, they would need to have basic discipline to be of any actual use. As is, they really aren’t cut even to be terror fighter.
That’s not as much of a comfort as you might think.
Had the task of turning various groups into coherent and functional units several times in my career – it only takes a couple weeks (and a talented core of NCOs) to bang the basics needed for an irregular into people who’re reasonably motivated.
Hate’s a pretty powerful motivator. Lot stronger than patriotism and herd mentality, I’ve found.
Well, bloody Doug Ford seems to have lost control of the coronavirus again. It was trending steadily downward but the Ontario active case count has started climbing again, for the past four days.
Is there any way to cause some sort of a recall election?
As for East Asian dating market situation, this video seems vaguely relevant, if perhaps borderline NSFW. Watch first without subtitles, to better absorb the visuals.
@Threp
This right here is the part they’re lacking, and have no practical way to acquire. There’s undoubtedly some current and former military incels, but they weren’t exactly the cream of the crop, because, bluntly, people who are actually doing something they enjoy and are good at for a living don’t become incels.
True, thankfully. There’s not many incels in the army. MRAweenies, on the other hand … couple of the lads spouting that sort of bullshit is how I found this place years back. 🙁
Well his solution to the “gender imbalance” is much more creative then mine, which would just be to, you know, stop selective-abortions and killing of baby girls…
@Threp
I’d imagine some might try to join because they think it will make them a Chad, but a lot would probably either get kicked out for disciplinary reasons or would leave because they don’t like having to listen to their superiors.
The incel inability to organize in groups is probably why all the incel terrorists so far have been solo attacks, there is unlikely to ever be an IRL incel militia of any sort. Since they also hate any sort of authority and hate each other as well, an incel militia would probably encounter infighting and mutiny that would tear it apart before they did anything.
And that’s assuming they even qualify on the physical/mental qualifications.
I do think their entitlement is stronger than their hate. Which is why they can’t organize. For all the horrors they are able to do, incels and MRAs seem to be more whiny and entitled than hateful, with some exceptions.
If it reverse and they start to hate, I guess the more functional of them could lead and organize them indeed.
That do work for all the other Trump operation TBH. The post-capitalistic baron who are under him are very active and successful at making money off his reign, but the hateful parts are much less active and organized. (of course, it don’t mean “inoffensive” either)
O/T: An interesting thread about black incels and misogynoir.
“Well, someone’s got a very vivid imagination, huh?”
Oooh, yeah. Fanfic, please.
So, the guy who attempted to murder the judge in that Deutsche Bank/Epstein was an MRA
https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1285271653774221313
Not to go all conspiracy theorist here, but I’m not sure I buy that he committed suicide. Maybe he was manipulated into carrying out a hit and then disposed of. This isn’t even the first death of someone connected to the Deutsche Bank case.
I mean, his resume
http://www.roydenhollander.com/main/royresume.htm
“Who is Black Pidgeon Speaks?”
Delurking long enough to say…uhm…Black Elk’s far less well known relative?
I’ve been watching a lot of old school kung fu movies on Youtube the last couple of years, so I have a hard time thinking that there aren’t Chinese men who’d fit any sort of “alpha male” stereotype.
@ObSidJag
Good to see you back, it’s been a while.