By David Futrelle
Here’s a new one from the incel cesspit known as Incels.co: Women shouldn’t have the right to vote because they can already get whatever they want by using the hypnotic power of their sexy bodies on men.
In a post titled “Females Should NOT Vote,” an incel called COPE GmgH writes
Why should a female that only needs a passable body to succeed in life … care about freedom.
They don’t need to create something to have a good such [??] and for that reason they don’t care about freedom to own private property, freedom of speech.
Think about what kind of policies females push, the only thing they care about is undermining ugly men to eliminate them from the dating market and fuck the chads.
The states have become stronger because females have “been given” more political rights and female nature is submission, just like females don’t really negotiate for higher wages, they also don’t negotiate to have more rights.
Let’s throw some slightly veiled antisemitism into the mix:
And my fellowcels already know which elite wants females to have rights. Strong state is the enemy of mankind.
And there you have it.
As ludicrous as this argument is, it’s not that far off from an argument made by Warren Farrell, the intellectual godfather of the Men’s Rights Movement, who thinks that men are basically rendered powerless (or at least feel powerless) whenever they catch sight of a shapely female ass.
Incels’ terrible ideas about women don’t just appear out of nowhere; they take much of their inspiration from Men’s Rights and “Red Pill” ideology. Incels and MRAs aren’t exactly the same thing, but their ideas largely come from the same garbage dump.
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As Lumipuna has noted, if you sink you weren’t a witch (eh, too bad you drowned) and if you float you’re obviously a witch. That’s some catch, that catch 22. It’s the best there is …
I was going to try and say something about how Sanna Marin became the Finnish PM last autumn and did not start a war on ugly men, but then I realised she took over from Antti Rinne, so if you were dead set on proving something like this, you could say she supplanted an ugly man, so there goes my theory…
@opposablethumbs
I was wondering about women who do not look like women, but then I realised that if you were one and appeared in front of the panel to enquire about your suffrage, you’d probably be in for some sort of trouble.
@Masse_mysteria : also, if you’re a woman not looking like a woman in a society where women are at best minors, there’s some incentives to make you pass of for a man.
“Democracy would be so much better if only people who agree with me got to vote” is such a freshman take on politics.
@Battering Lamb
Seeing how much incels hate Chad, they could probably get behind this.
@Rabid Rabbit
I think part of it is that men like their own dicks, and they like to project themselves as the actors in the films, so they can conceptualize the penises as their own or an extension of themselves.
I think this also partially explains the popularity of trans* porn, as them they can look at dicks that are attached to women. As a woman who happens to have a dick, I don’t really like the fetishization of a part of my anatomy that I don’t really care for, but I do understand to a degree why men watch this type of pornography.
The male obsession with penises is also present outside porn, anyone who’s met or been a teenage boy knows how much they love drawing dicks on things, while very few draw vaginas on random objects.
I remember this penis-drawing thing from observing* other boys in school. However at least traditionally, a crude cartoon depiction of vulva is also a popular teen boy “joke” here in Finland. There are some slang names** for these vulva pictograms, distinct from slang names for the actual vulva.
* One time at about age 15, I was doodling a generalized live orthoceratoid in my school notebook, like a true nerd, and a classmate honestly thought at first I was drawing a penis. I wasn’t even trolling him, I was just bored and oblivious.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthoceratoidea
** For example “church travel boat”, in reference to the several pairs of “oars” or schematically drawn pubic hairs projecting from the sides.
@Lumipuna
I did not know that. In America, vulva drawings are not as common among teen boys, or at least they weren’t where I went to high school.
Cultural differences, and perhaps also generational differences.
We don’t really have “men’s magazines”* or bodybuilding magazines either, though I’ve heard the latter were more popular back when gay porn was illegal. Bodybuilding magazines were the original publishing channel of the erotic artist Touko Laaksonen aka Tom of Finland.
* Except as in traditional Finnish euphemism for porn magazines.
@Lumipuna
That might also have to do with differing expectations of masculinity in Finland. In America most men’s magazines have “Men” or “Gentlemen” in the title and have a man on the cover to reassure the masculinity of the man reading it. I’ve never read a men’s magazine cover to cover, as I’ve never had the interest, so I don’t know what’s inside.
50% adverts, 50% metrosexual bullshit.
You’re welcome. 😛
My female nature is to tell these guys to go suck on a cactus. But that’s really unfair to the cactus.
@Lainy
Sticking with the southwest theme, maybe they could suck on some cowboy spurs instead?
There have been occasional attempts to launch a Finnish “magazine for men”, as in lifestyle magazine revolving around some stereotypical notions of “male interests”. I think this sort of identity marketing works much better with women, because men are set as the default people while women end up feeling like they’re truly a special interest group. It doesn’t help that the Finnish language community is only five million people.
Naturally, advertisers would be eager to establish expensive clothes/accessories/cars/toys as “male interests”. Not so much metrosexual, I think, but alternate fashionable bourgeois/virile playboy/high-tech outdoorsman aspersions.
Had a response to the ‘Horse’s ass’ query.
Aye, they’re pretty much like that, with an overlarge dose of frat boy immaturity thrown in – the metrosexual reference is an old joke/lament about the content being both mixed (instead of sensibly confining one type of subject to one magazine) and the sudden emphasis on personal grooming pushed by the advertisers when these sorts of mags really started to get going.
Wouldn’t so much call them aspirational, mind. To me they seem more like targets or scorecards for the readers who are unsure of their place in the pecking order of manhood. /sarc.
@Naglfar & Lumipuna
Some time ago I saw a lot of those vulva pictures on belts, wallets and stuff, but not so much anymore. I used to wonder if it was some sort of reclamation thing, since the rudest Finnish swear word is slang for a vulva/vagina, which to me has always seemed kind of unfair.
… to say nothing of the fact that one of the euphemisms for the vulva picture is something like “spider wrong way around” and even as a child I was like, that’s not the correct amount of legs or body segments.
@Threp
Well, if it motivates men to have better hygiene I would consider that a good thing.
I do wish some of the material on personal grooming, both in magazines and elsewhere, was less gendered in how it is presented, there are of course women and non-binary people who have facial hair and may want to groom it a certain way or otherwise present more masculine (or men who may want to wear makeup, etc). Same with grooming/hygiene products like razors or antiperspirants, the same products are often marketed in different versions for men and women, with the women’s versions often costing more (the pink tax).
@Masse_mysteria
The same is true in English, as the c-word (not “crap”, the other one) is widely considered, at least in American English*, to be among the most offensive words. Although it originally was a neutral anatomical term, it is now considered very offensive.
*To the best of my knowledge, this word and it’s rhyming slang equivalent are considered less offensive elsewhere.
@Naglfar
I’m pretty sure I never heard of that word before I was of age, and I was immediately fascinated by it, since the Finnish equivalent (to my knowledge) is never used to refer to a person. You can add “-head”, obviously, the same way you can make it into an adjective or a verb, but still.
The Finnish word Masse Mysteria alluded to is a very popular generic expletive (not usually a personal insult), functionally equivalent to English usage of “fuck” rather than any anatomical term. I think people only rarely recall its literal meaning, or its gendered association, but inasmuch as that happens, it’s certainly problematic. Sort of like the rape associations that sometimes come up with “fuck you” etc.
I think it alludes to some idea of dirtiness or black magic that was traditionally associated with the vulva/vagina. Hence, you get expressions of aggression like “go crawl into the *****!” Some of this language apparently goes back to Proto-Finno-Ugric. I know some sex educators and feminists are currently trying to reclaim the word for casual literal use.
In dutch the c-word isn’t that big of a deal either. Like saying c***-weather is pretty common here. Same goes for a more vulgar word for testicles. Both words start with a strong K-sound which is very satisfying in swearing for some reason.
We also swear a lot with diseases (cholera, typhus and cancer among other things). I’ve not found another country that does this, and it is one of the things that likely contributes to the dutch generally being considered rude. For what it’s worth, it always made more sense to me to swear with something negative like a disease than with genitalia or sexual preferences.
@Naglfar: Agreed. I kind of figured ‘getting rid of Chad voting’ would be the next step for incels. Aside from that guy who wanted to sell his semen to Chads (crap, now I remember that bit. Ew) there’s no love lost there.
Similarly, the most common swear word in french litteraly mean “cunt”, but have been so thoroughly watered down that most people aren’t even aware of its origine. Nowaday it mostly mean “stupid”.
Berk is a very innocuous and mild insult here; quite affectionate really. Schoolteachers can say it to kids.
Even though it derives from Berkeley Hunt; which is Cockney rhyming slang for that particular word.
@Alan Robertshaw
Yes, that’s the word I was referring to by “its rhyming slang equivalent.”
@ naglfar
Ah gotcha.
Oh btw, the horse’s arse discussion is getting very interesting on LinkedIn. Seems it’s quite a specialist topic in the art world!
Off topic, but an MRA was murdered
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mens-rights-activist-marc-angelucci-shot-dead-at-his-california-home/?via=twitter_page
So, expect some interesting conspiracy theories from the manosphere in the coming weeks and months.