By David Futrelle
Like a lot of his fellow Nazis, The Daily Stormer’s Andrew Anglin is worried about the declining white birth rate — and the prospect of being “outbred” by people of darker hues. As he sees it, the main bottleneck has been what he sees as the “unregulated” white woman, unwilling to have babies in sufficient quantities and also not particularly interested in dating Nazis like him.
But Anglin is now convinced that both of these problems have been solved by SCIENCE — the sex problem by sexbots and the white baby problem by artificial wombs.
He seems most excited by the former. In a recent post on the Stormer, Anglin hails the development of sexbots that can hold a converstation with their owners — if by “conversation” you mean that these robots can respond with prefab comments to certain questions, like an AI-enhanced Chatty Cathy doll.
But this is more than enough for Anglin, who sees these rudimentary conversation skills as being more advanced than the conversational skills of actual human women. “[H]uman females cannot have conversations,” he asserts, before dropping a bit of copypasta: “All they know is McDonald’s, charge their phone, twerk, be bisexual, eat hot chip & lie.”
With sex and conversation taken care of, all that’s left to worry about is the baby making, and Anglin is convinced that recent experiments with sheep prove that artificial human wombs are not only possible but could soon be widely available.
“We will have sex with the robots, and we will grow our children in plastic bags,” he writes.
They’ve already done this with a sheep, you see.
A sheep is a mammal, so all of the dynamics for doing it with a human are already there.
The sex robots will also be better mothers than any human female could ever hope to be.
Basically, we’ve solved our white reproduction problem. Now we just need to implement the program.
Yeah, good luck with that.
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Did…did he just quote a joke meme as if it were profound wisdom?
Also, re: sexbot wombs. Not this tired old shit again. Give it a rest, Nazis.
Forget implementing the program, try actually getting the tech to work. Those experiments he’s babbling about happened three years ago, and since then they haven’t made any progress.
Especially since it was never made to replace a human womb outright- it was designed to act as a sort of incubator for babies born extremely prematurely. Even in that case, I get the feeling that it would just mean an extremely premature baby that would have otherwise died would instead survive at the expense of being wracked with all the debilitating conditions that can be caused by premature birth and likely needing to be institutionalized for life. Not much of an improvement, if you ask me.
So, the plan to raise these artificial womb children is to leave them near a sexbot? Seems legit.
You called?
@Anonymous
Ah, but when has reality ever mattered to these people?
@WWTH
Presumably the children are also going to die in the race war with Mexico that he wants.
I highly, highly doubt that any of these Nazi dudes would be willing to put in the requisite amount of effort required to raise these children they produce via artificial wombs.
Do they just plan on leaving the kids in the artificial wombs for 18 years?
So, the plan to raise these artificial womb children is to leave them near a sexbot? Seems legit
Well, Anglin’s not going to watch his brats.
That’s for women, or woman-shaped plastic objects to do.
Hey, don’t mock him. Let him have his sexbots and artificial wombs*. As long as he stays away from actual women, it’s a winner.
Well, not really because IF they get the wombs up and running the result will be actual babies. And Anglin and his buddies will either have to get good at changing diapers or toss those pure white babies into the system. So I don’t approve.
And then there is the question of where they are going to get all the ova they will need. That could get nasty. So, yeah. Not a good idea.
I’m very okay with the sex bots though. Go for it, Andy.
I remember the sheep experiment. It didn’t bring the sheep from embryo to term, and wasn’t intended to do that. It wasn’t, in other words, a Brave New World style incubation bottle quite yet. Lil Andy is getting ahead of himself again, but I definitely encourage him to jack off into a bag and see if a child pops out nine months later.
@Otrame
I recall a while ago his post about how fathers shouldn’t be involved in raising babies. He specifically was opposed to the idea of fathers changing diapers. A lot of the time Andy acts like he needs a diaper change, so it fits.
@PoM
During those nine months, he should stay off the internet and watch the bag very closely. If nothing else, it keeps him away from being a Nazi online.
What is… hot chip?
@freneticferret
It means french fries, as far as I know.
@freneticferret, Catalpa
I’m not sure, but I thought it would mean spicy potato chips like the Takis brand. Spicy chips are tasty IMO, so if Nazis hate them that’s all the more reason to eat chips if you enjoy them.
The concept of replacing women with robots and artificial wombs for reproduction is also supported by some progressive feminists, as I found out when I came across this wiki page: when I was trying to find information about the concept of gender abolition.
@Thewreckoning
The thing about gender abolition is that, as RationalWiki notes, while it is a good idea and very feminist to reduce the forced gender stereotypes and roles and allow people to express themselves as they choose, it is also a phrase co-opted by transphobes to describe forcing trans* people to conform to their assigned at birth sex rather than allowing transition and expression of their gender identities. So I’m somewhat cynical of that phrase.
Anglin doesn’t seem to consider that non white men who don’t want to have relationships with women will also make use of sexbots and artificial wombs, counteracting any increase in white children those technologies cause. I also suspect he’d get very upset at his sexbot telling him no, they can’t have sex with him, because they’re currently involved in child rearing activities. Like feeding and changing the baby, giving them needed social interaction etc.
@Tim Gueguen
Maybe he thinks they’d only be available to white men? A high price might make them limited to wealthy people, but I doubt Anglin is all that wealthy and there will then also be many white people who can’t afford one.
So you have a plan and a timeline?
Could I get one of these child rearing sexbots when they become available? I sure could use a break from our 6mo and 2yr old, especially if an appliance that isn’t even made for the purpose can do it better.
Science is a lot closer to making men obsolete, than women.
In his little dream full of sexbots and artificial wombs, a woman is still needed…to provide her eggs. No eggs = no babies. And I don’t know any women that would be willing to donate their eggs to a Nazi baby factory.
But human cloning would probably become an easier reality, far sooner than his little dream. And for that, you only need eggs, from a woman, and grow them in real wombs, eliminating the need for men. Yes, the children would all be female.
Yes, the major issue with having children is definitely the pregnancy part (not that it can’t be a huge burden, it definitely can!) and not the fact that new humans are essentially completely helpless for many years and require a metric shit ton of labor just to keep alive.
The prospect of throwing up my toenails for months until I can’t see them anymore isn’t why I didn’t have children, MRAs. It’s the decades afterwards where they’d need physical, emotional, and financial resources I don’t have. And you don’t either.
For the life of me, I can’t understand why people think software engineering is HARDER than raising a well adjusted person.
This is a very “draw the rest of the fucking owl” statement.
@Talonknife : I thought the same. While it’s probably on the same ballpark of complexity, it’s still pretty stupid to believe the small and not to small differences won’t cause troubles when trying to adapt to human.
Also, it’s one of the inventions whose ethical problems are huge. Realistically, the bigger use fot in-vat grown humans would be organ transplants, and that’s already at best a divisive and difficult ethical question.
Meanwhile, while people who want to reproduce but can’t because they don’t have access to a working womb or to adoption for seem reasonably rare.
@Vespertine
Things that women are supposed to do are trivial and have no value; that’s why they’re women’s work. Probably pretty easy to automate. We’ll implement that in phase two, once we’ve closed a nice big funding round.
This can only go well for Anglin’s ideological brethren.
They: There you go, women, a working artificial womb! What do you say to that?!
Women: Oh, this technology will help those in need to avoid the hurdles and dangers of a pregnancy. This is very handy.
They: Wait, what?
I know this subject is vastly more complicated (as has been pointed out in previous comments), but it always baffles me how many men seem to think that the only reason there might be a need for artificial wombs is to replace women and not, you know, make stuff easier for them.
Um, what? How does this follow? I’m not sure what you meant to say with this, is it one of these options?
1) Vat-grown humans would be somehow less human than people produced by regular reproduction or by artificial insemination, and thus it would be ethically acceptable to kill them in order to harvest their organs. (Yikes)
2) Vat-grown humans would somehow be designed to develop without any higher-order brain functions, thus it would be ethically acceptable to kill them in order to harvest their organs. (Less yikes, but this has got some worrying ableist implications.)
3) Vat-grown humans would not have automatic family ties to raise any fuss if they are murdered, and therefore unscrupulous bastards would produce these people in secret in order to kill them and harvest their organs for profit. (Horrifying, but I’m sure there are people out there who would do that if they had the opportunity.)