By David Futrelle
Incels will jump through hoops to prove that whatever it is about them that turns women off, it’s something they can’t control. It’s not their personality; it’s not their noxious ideas about women. Rather, it’s the exact shape of their chin, or the slant of their eyes; it’s their height, or weight, or the the size of their penis.
But this leads to problems. What happens when incels realize that their dicks — while far from porn-sized — are pretty much the same size as most other men? They’ll convince themselves through mathematical principles understood only by other incels that their dicks are still at least two inches shorter than the dicks an average woman will encounter first-hand in her lifetime, thus making their average sized dicks decidedly below average. (Never mind that there’s zero evidence that the dicks women encounter are usually above average in size; they just made that up.)
And when it comes to height, well, Incels do pretty much the same thing. In the shortcells subreddit — the replacement for the banned shortcels subreddit — the regulars are convinced it is their short stature rather than their distinct lack of charm that is the key element in their failures with women. But what counts as short? With 5′ 9″ the average height for American men, more than a few incels who consider themselves short are in reality of average height. (Average heights around the world range from roughly 5′ 5″ for Indian men and nearly 6 feet for Dutch men.)
But one incel Redditor called Bad_Parking thinks that his colleagues in the subreddit are too willing to accept the actual facts about average height, convincing themselves that “5’7″ is an okay height and that 5’9″-5’10” constitutes as a tall fag.” (Which, if you strip out the homophobic language, is in fact true.)
No, according to Mr. Parking, the “the average height for the new generation … white male is at least 5’11”-6’0″.”
This isn’t true, by the way. While average heights around the world gained several inches over the course of the twentieth century, this pattern of gain seems to have come to an end; the average height of a American male born today is expected to be 5′ 9″, same as it is now.
But Mr. Parking is only getting started.
[C]onsidering that the high height standards are only a thing because women like to compare you to other MEN not to women. Therefore this makes the heights below 6’2″ as mediocre to acceptable at best. Having the average height of 6’0″ does not automatically make you a fakecel because as we all know no average is enough to give you any boost in the dating market.
Ok, but 6 feet is not the average height for men outside the Netherlands. And the idea that women will only reluctantly date any man under 6′ 2″ is just straight up ludicrous.
No, if the so-called shortcels of Reddit want to know what it is that makes women cringe in their presence, they need only take a look at some of the other posts in their subreddit.
Here’s one from today — with 93 upvotes:
Here’s a screenshot that got 113 upvotes for the allegedly “based” retort from Ragesh.
Here’s a comment on this screenshot:
Here are several posts mocking the allegedly loose and smelly vaginas of alleged sluts over the age of, say, 30. There are so many of these posted on a regular basis there that even some incels have gotten sick of them
And here is but one of many posts referring to the so-called “dogpill” — that is, the notion, widespread among incels, that white women routinely have sex with male dogs.
Yeah, dudes, I’m sure it’s your HEIGHT that repulses the women.
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I just read this post from TakedownMRAs: https://twitter.com/TakedownMRAs/status/1275218668264345606?s=20
This guy sat behind a girl on a train, peered over her shoulder at her phone, got mad because she was looking at pics of cute guys, and then had a lengthy fantasy of mass murder while also thinking about living the simple life in a log cabin in the woods.
Oh, and when she got up to leave, she didn’t smile at him, which apparently is extreme entitlement.
But it’s all the fault of their height, or their facial structure, right?
Jesus, these guys. I am a 5’2″ woman who loves short guys and for whom guys taller than me last maybe 5″ are actually far less attractive! Tom Cruise, for example, was more attractive to me when I found out hemisphere near as tall as his movies try to make him seem! Michael J Fox is a huge crush of mine! Hell, even little person men are more attractive than 6′ plus guys to me!
And I am so not alone in this!
The ideal height always starts a few inches above whatever is the incel’s own height. So whenever they get together the 5’7″ incel guarantees no man shorter than 5’9″ could ever score with the girls, then the 5’9″ incel says the cutoff height is 6 feet, the 6′ incel interjects that 6’3″ has to be the minimum and so on.
Let’s see…I’m 5’7″, a little taller than the average American woman at 5’5″. I dated plenty of guys when I was younger who were my height or less (the shortest was 5′ even and he was amazing); all of them were sweet, considerate, generous, smart, helpful, and kind, because their height wasn’t the thing I was looking at when I met them.
Even my two ex-husbands, who were taller, weren’t over 6’2″; one was 5’10 1/2″ and the other was 5’11″…and they were both a******s. One was a beater, the other a cheater.
So yeah…give me a sweet, shorter guy any day. Correlation is not causation, of course, but in my personal experience, the tall guys are shallower, crueler, less smart, and less interesting every time.
Interesting that we were discussing height in another thread today.
Anyway, I’m a 5’6” woman who prefers men shorter than me (women and NB folx I don’t really care about height, but I prefer short men). I also lived as a man for years and AFAICT my height had no impact on my dating life then.
I also recall reading somewhere that the rumored correlation between height and penis size is extremely weak. I’m sure incels wouldn’t believe me though.
I can count on both hands the number of men over 6’2” I’ve met. Maybe there’s some sort of selection bias at play, but I just don’t know many men that tall. And I know many men shorter than that who are happily married.
Not to mention that Brad Pitt, whom they often cite as an archetypal Chad, is 5’11”, missing the cutoff by 3 inches.
I think I might know why this fellow isn’t having much luck with the ladies.
Some men can “make babies”. And most can look after them.
The fluffy dog in the last screenshot is cute, it’s too bad the incels had to chime in their thoughts.
…I mean, I feel like the odds are very good that “Daisy” is the name for a female dog, not a male one.
Dear Incel,
Since I’m planning to turn you down for that date LONG before I have any idea how big or small your peen is, how are you considering _it_ your problem?
Best,
Brassica
It’s interesting that – even according to incels’ own stories & screenshots – women are often turned off by incels just through chat, without ever knowing what these guys look like or how their voices sound.
But it couldn’t possibly be their personalities or sociopathic tendencies, no. It MUST be their height, or their cheekbones being .7 millimetres too low, or something else that isn’t under their control! Because otherwise they’d have to actually take responsibility for their actions, like adults! And they certainly can’t have that.
David, remember Anthony “Dream” Johnson from back in the day, and his 21 Convention? Well now he’s holding a 22 Convention for women with the theme being Make Women Great Again. The speakers will be all men, one of them being Stephan Molyneaux. Its hella expensive but a friend of mine plans to crowd source for a ticket so she can go under cover and write an exposé. She’s trans, and only “natural born women” are allowed (according to the site). You should see the line up of speakers. All men, at least half of them unmarried, planning to lecture women about marriage and motherhood, including Johnson himself, and some old guy coined “Texas Dom” who will be lecturing women on dom/sub ish. Johnson now calls himself President Johnson. He says he’s the President of the Manosphere. He also has another site outlining his political aspirations and calling himself a “declarationist”.
Okay, on top of that +93 post being generally disgusting, I don’t think they’re in any position to call that a bad decision. Here’s how they’re framing it:
* Option 1: “abusive Chad”
* Option 2: an incel, i.e. an ultra-misogynist feedback loop of self loathing who thinks the world owes him a sex slave and thinks not having one is the reason he’s miserable. May idolize terrorists and/or be an aspiring serial killer. Knowing all that, almost guaranteed to be abusive.
Yeah, being short as no link with women relationship (outside individual preferences). With being bullied, however… Being short (and not full white, which may count too), i know that too well.
As I live in the Netherlands I know plenty (we need our giant size because a big part of our landmass is below sea-level, you see. :p).
I’d feel it would fall on deaf ears to point out to these incels that being taller often leads to a plethora of physical complaints, especially injuries of the ankle, back, hip, knee, neck, shoulder and wrists. Also, generally, slower reflexes.
I’m tall and I’m pretty sure it’s gotten me more health issues than sex. In fact, it also makes sex more difficult.
Probably because sex isn’t basketball.
Wait, is sex basketball ? Because I never really got into that, learned how to play in PE but that’s about it. Can I still be selected based on my height or do I need to go back and practice ? Should I get a professional agent to handle the public relationships side while I dedicate my time and energy to getting better ? Do I need to learn to play in a team ?
So many questions, I don’t really know how sports work.
I’m a short guy at 5 ft 2 inches and I’m thankful such online communities like Incels didn’t exist when I was younger. I probably would have fallen down the rabbit hole as I suffered from bullying and a strong sense of low self-worth as a result of my height and having a lazy eyelid on my left eye. Even nowadays whenever I’m around taller guys I’m not too familiar with I sometimes keep a bit of distance between them due to what I experienced in school.
Factors beyond my control really fed into my downward spiral at the time, and it took a lot of willpower and the compassion of others to get me to accept my body, but even in my adulthood I still sometimes get shit from people and rejections in online dating when I mention my height (But of course, it probably says more about the other person than myself. Still stings.).
But one thing I have learned is that personality matters most, and if you do not gel well with anyone the problem may well be with you.
And if they’re trying to please other women sexually and don’t have the ‘stature’ they think they should have, try using your tongue or seeing what she likes. It’s all part of the fun damn it!
I wonder if this guy still thinks it’s his cheek bones that make women dislike him.
Correct. Many women are interested in exploring their sexuality with partners of their own choosing. Also, many women value education and pursue degrees.
Joke’s on you. No one is asking you to be the father of her children.
Hello, Temascos.
I think you’ve incarnated here before. It’s been a while.
Hey, it’s been a while since we’ve had a dude come here to tell us all that, if he’d had the chance, he’d almost definitely have joined a group that was so hateful towards women that they regularly produce and actively celebrate mass murderers and terrorists.
Can’t say that I’ve missed it.
@ColeYote
I’d say those are pretty much a given. Every incel wants to be a killer.
@occasional reader
Can relate. When I was in school, I was often one of the youngest people in the class and that was an age when a few months made a lot of difference for height and physical development, so I was often one of the shortest people. I also had a bit of a reputation for being teacher’s pet, so I got bullied a lot for those reasons. My height isn’t an issue now, but back then I did get bullied for it.
@Temascos
I get the feeling incels would not like giving cunnilingus very much since it’s something their partner could enjoy.
Yay, I make the cut! Just barely.
From tall women I’ve heard that many men dislike being shorter than their partner. I’ve not heard that women much prefer tall men.
Being much taller than your partner has some disadvantages in bed, but you can always find a way.
@numerobis
I would imagine this is mainly due to toxic masculinity and ideas about height and dominance (like how Trump inflated his height on medical forms and wears shoe lifts).
I’m married to a very tall man. Mr. Parasol is 6 feet 5 inches. His height is one of the things I love about him, but I’d love him if he suddenly became a double amputee.
Since he was born a nerd and stayed a nerd, his height didn’t really save him from being bullied. Luckily he is a sweet, kind, gentle man who tries very hard not to intimidate people with his height. (Unless someone’s bothering me. Then he gets very good at looming.)
His height has brought its own problems. CLOTHES, my god, clothes. When we have shopped for a car, we don’t even take it out for a test drive until he’s “tried it on.” Towels – the regular size bath towels aren’t enough. Thank goodness for “bath sheets.”
@Catalpa : to be frank, I dislike your disdains for people who have realized they almost jumped in the void, and I think people like you are in the end more likely to jump in that kind of ideology.
The height thing is something I have some sympathy for. Not the “I can’t get laid cause I’m short” BS, but the unconscious flinching it causes. When I were 12 I were short, slim, smart, shy and – theres’s no other word for it – pretty. The bullying at school were pretty intense.
Uncle broke his leg that summer, so I spent three months basically working as his muscles on the farm. There’s a mile and a half of drystone wall up near Whitby that I built that year – still standing, too!
Got in a near 6 inch growth spurt (Those hurt, BTW. A lot.), too, which upset Mom – replacing my clothes twice in a short time weren’t easy.
Funnily enough, the bullying stopped when I went back to school. Still remember the look on the kid’s face when he walked over and started giving it some and I stood up. 😛
Well, Tom Cruise is deeply unattractive to me, but it’s because of his involvement in a psychotic cult that virtually enslaves some adherents and covers up rapes committed by high level members. His height has nothing to do with it.