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For me the weirdest part of the rally was that Trump spent 2 minutes talking about the pandemic and 15 minutes boasting about how he can drink water and walk down a ramp. When he tossed the glass aside angrily like a toddler in a high chair, I couldn’t help wondering which one of his aides got it in the face, and who had to clean up the broken glass afterwards.
@Naglfar, do you think the organisers would say “great, so few people have turned up that we can spread them out”? No, they would ensure that most TV shots would show no empty seats.
I wouldn’t want to be in Brad Parscale’s shoes today. Trump will be raving, particularly at the news of the overflow venue being dismantled because it wasn’t needed.
@Buttercup
The water thing was weird. It reminded me of how back before the election various right wingers used to dismiss comparisons of Trump to Hitler by claiming they both drink water and thinking that was a witty remark. To the best of my knowledge Hitler did not boast about his water drinking ability at rallies.
Was Trump close enough to the crowd to get COVID by any chance?
Re: 40k
I’m not speaking as a fan, I couldn’t give half a shit for the game itself, or.the various spinoffs. I’m speaking as a grognard who’s been embedded in wargame/ttrpg culture for 30-odd years and followed the meta-discussions of fandoms in that time. The problem is not and never was Warhammer 40k. The problem is that there’s always been a far-right current in gaming, and until recently the custom has been to let their shit slide out of geek solidarity. This is in turn a microcosm of Western (and I use this term advisedly) cultures, especially the Anglosphere, where fascist apologia by people who theoretically know better has been a way of life for generations. The problem isn’t Warhammer, it isn’t Starship Troopers, it’s that we refuse to acknowledge how deep the currents that produce this stuff are. The problem is that Law and Order gets votes from people who swear they aren’t racists. The problem is that nobody admits that there’s a direct line between “Support the Troops” and Imperial Space Marines destroying worlds and writing it off as collateral damage. The problem is that people who call themselves progressives will drop everything to cheer a new massacre of brown people (viz. the levels of support of the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan at the time they were proposed.) It’s nitpicking every effort by oppressed groups to get their voices heard, because if makes people uncomfortable to point out the crimes they’ve been complicit in (and yes, every single person who ever voted for a candidate who campaigned as “tough on crime” or “anti-drug” or any of that bullshit is actively complicit in the crimes of the police). I could go on, but my fundamental point is that we have met the enemy, and he is us. And that until we, meaning white people, especially those of us resident in colonial empires, need to seriously examine our own cultural assumptions, so we can make new ones that aren’t based in white supremacy. Going after the low-hanging fruit will never do that. The problem isn’t Starship Troopers, it’s Black Hawk Down.
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I guess if you’re a person that talks constant shit about how old and decrepit Biden is, it’s probably important to make sure that you’re able to lift a glass of water to your lips. I can understand that ramps can be slippery, but the difficulty he has with drinking is something that seems to happen regularly.
I hope this embed works; but this is a great picture from Trump’s
Nurnbergcampaign rally.Alan Robertshaw, I am seeing a blank white square, but that appears to fit your description.
Ok, let’s try this again. C’mon Al; pretend you’re tech savvy.
The face mask thing: maybe if the Trump campaign issued their own version of these, there would have been far less tossing the unused masks on the ground.
https://www.amazon.com/Reusable-Washable-Fashion-Balaclava-Breathable/dp/B087Q82G7C
Admittedly there’s a good chance that the rally goers still wouldn’t have worn them because reasons, but I doubt they’d just toss them on the ground out of spite either.
By the way, the family of the late Tom Petty have issued a ‘cease and desist’ order to Trump’s campaign over his use of the song ‘Won’t Back Down’ at that rally.
https://mobile.twitter.com/tompetty
Evidently Petty’s political leanings didn’t go in Trump’s general direction.
@Buttercup, Naglfar, Moogue:
I suspect this is because a short while back Stephen Colbert ran clips of Trump stumbling as he walked down a ramp, and also of him holding a glass of water in an awkward way as he drinks from it. Trump must have either watched or heard about it.
He probably also remembers how well harping on about Hillary apparently stumbling worked for him, so he needs to preempt similar comments.
@Redsilkphoenix
I feel like they still wouldn’t wear them, but might carry them around or something like that.
@Moon Custafer
I saw those clips. The whole incident just goes to show how truly fragile he is after any perceived attack on him or his abilities. Makes me wonder if people started saying he isn’t good at flapping his arms like a bird and making bird calls whether he would demonstrate flapping and bird calling at rallies to prove he can.
Alan: The blank blue square with a little white question mark, and the empty blue seats with a little white attendee, are surprisingly similar.
Stormy Daniels has tweeted, “Told y’all he exaggerates about the size of things.”
I gotta admit, I’m curious as to what the Lincoln Project folks are going to do next with all this new political ad material Trump gave them this weekend.
He also mocked Rubio for his rather awkward way of drinking water during a debate back in the primaries, to some effect.
Though I’ll admit it’s giving him credit for both memory and forethought, armouring up against things he’s used against others in the past is part of his MO.
Open thread right? Not just politics.
I’ve discovered through empirical proof that love in the age of coronavirus is possible, and is not that different from the norm (aka I’ve fallen head over heels). The main change: instead of evaluating the other’s use of precautions before the first time you have sex, you do it before the first time you kiss.
Yay!
We are going much faster than either of us is used to. And I’m hearing of other new couples doing the same. I’m guessing there might be a bunch of babies and/or divorces in the near future.
@Victorious Parasol
Well, they’ve already issued a thank you/recruiting call to the KPop stans and Tik Tok teens who apparently registered en masse for the event to inflate predictions. And added this quip about Trump’s ramp encounter.
@numerobis
Congrats on finding love! And yes, I do expect a bit of a baby boom about 9 months after lockdowns started. Sex toy sales increased 130% in March, so evidently people are getting busy in quarantine (presumably both those in relationships and otherwise).
@Shadowplay:
I grant you the doubts about foresight, but I have no doubt that he remembers every mean thing he’s ever done, with great cackling glee and delight.
@ numerobis
Yeah! I’m going to pretend the initial post was intentional; to make a clever point about failure of expectation or something.
@Ledasmom, @Full Metal Ox
Yeah Naglfar got it, the “graphic” was the words; the dots were spacers.
Maybe I’m just weirdly sensitive, IDK, when I read the thing I’m referencing in The Origins of Totalitarianism I had to fight back waves of physical nausea. Fascism turns “ordinary men” into serial killers – like, literally, the kind of sex murderers that white USians only see on TV now.
Reading that book will change you. I rather highly recommend it if you haven’t.
@Dalillama
I mean okay, a grognard I am not. But I’m not saying “40K is the problem”. I’m saying it’s part of the problem. Which you seem to be saying too.
@Naglfar
The embarrassment re the attendee count may be the least of it. Check out this discussion of how the K-pop stans and TikTok teens have thrown a big ol’ monkey wrench in the GOP’s fundraising expectations.
https://twitter.com/aetherlev/status/1274726592481091587
Did you see the video of Trump’s walk of shame from da choppa after Tulsa? He looked so defeated, you’d need a heart of stone not to laugh. At the same time, though, his walk looked more normal than usual, so I wonder whether he wasn’t wearing his lifts.
I definitely think there will be post-lockdown baby boom. I know when I was reading up on UK political history in the twentieth century I was able to trace my conception to the 1974 “Three day week“. Which was emergency measures put in place to conserve fuel stocks after the miners went on strike and the oil crisis sparked by The Yom Kippur War.
@Victorious Parasol
I’m so proud of kids these days ?. It makes sense in a lot of ways: trolls played a major role in getting Trump elected, so to bring him down we need to fight in a similar way.
Here’s the worrying thing, though: Trump is always dangerous, but a wounded Trump is probably more dangerous than ever. He’s going to want to lash out because of this weekend’s events.