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Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
1 year ago

@Moggie:

If the Biden people don’t start using that video absolutely everywhere, they’re not doing their job right.

And yeah, he’s probably going to lash out. The question is if it’s just going to be words or something more dangerous, and if it’s words, how badly it might backfire.

And then there’s his niece’s book coming up. That’s a shitstorm I’m stocking up on popcorn for. She’s an intelligent leftwing woman, so he’s already going to be terrified of her, and she’s family, so it’s the worst sort of betrayal, while also making it harder to attack her. This should be fun.

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

@Redsilkphoenix:

By the way, the family of the late Tom Petty have issued a ‘cease and desist’ order to Trump’s campaign over his use of the song ‘Won’t Back Down’ at that rally.

Strange how this keeps happening to conservative campaigns, isn’t it? It seems like at every election there are stories about this or that conservative politician using an artist’s music without obtaining the rights. It’s almost as if conservatives think the law should only apply to other people.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
1 year ago

And almost as if they don’t check whether their favorite artists actually agree with them or not.

I admit that last night’s rally is about the only time I’ve ever approved of Trump’s use of “You can’t always get what you want” as closing music.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

My favorite Trump music selection was when he played “It’s the End of the World as We Know It” by REM. IIRC they weren’t too pleased either.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

@ moggie

using an artist’s music without obtaining the rights.

Chances are the use of the song was technically legal. Publishing companies do all sorts of licensing deals that allow the use of music from artists on their books; usually under some sort of general non exclusive licence.

Venues often have their own licences that they pay a fee for, then that money is distributed amongst copyright holders. It’s how you can listen to records in discos.

Artists do though have moral rights. One of those is the right not to have their work used for something that disparages the work or they find offensive.

Unfortunately, whilst the US is a signatory to the Berne Convention that deals with this art of thing, the US never fully incorporated the moral rights clauses. The Visual Artists Rights Act does provide for moral rights; but as the name suggests it’s only applicable to art you can see; not music.

So in the US it is very hard for musicians to enforce moral rights.

ETA: more here for anyone interested:

http://futureofmusic.org/blog/2016/05/10/moral-rights-musicians-primer

Nanny Oggs Bosom
Nanny Oggs Bosom
1 year ago

I’m not entirely sure why Trump’s ability to drink water one handed or walk down ramps is relevant. He’s a racist, misogynist arsehole whether he can do those things or not. I don’t get why people focused on that sort of thing and made jokes about it; lots of disabled people struggle with those things and the collateral damage from the jokes must have been painful. Hell, I struggle to hold a glass if I’m stressed/tired/overstimulated. I poured half a mug of tea down myself last night, twice. I regularly fall up stairs, struggle with escalators and slip on ramps. My balance is terrible. It’s not nice knowing that people will poke fun at something I, and many other disabled people, can’t help, when it’s demonstrated by someone they dislike. Trump need criticising for his inane self-aggrandisement, ignorance, selfishness, racism, misogyny, his sex crimes and criminal behaviour, and any other terrible personality trait and choice he makes, but not the signs of age or disability. Why did Stephen Colbert (?) think that was a good idea in the first place? Being disabled isn’t a personality flaw or a choice. Being a racist twit is.

On the other hand, if the tango tyrant wants to waste time showing off how easily he drinks from a glass and yell about walking up/down ramps, he can. That way he’s got less time for spewing racist nonsense and issuing threats. He just makes himself ridiculous. Point and laugh at his fragile ego.

Not saying that any of you are pointing and laughing at his possible disabilities, just slightly miffed that it comes up as a thing that is acceptable to laugh at, like his weight and possible micro penis. Not being a US-ian I don’t really have a clear idea of what the atmosphere re disability is like, but I get some more definition to my ‘cloud’ of understanding from the way people have behaved w.r.t. Trump and from the way some of the disabled people I follow on Twitter have been treat when they’ve brought up ‘hey, can we not use disability as a punchline’. The US is not (currently) on my list of places to visit in the world. I get the feeling I would be very uncomfortable.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Nanny Oggs Bosom
I agree re: the splash damage on disabled people. The situation on disability is not very good in the US, a lot of ableism (mostly from the right, but a lot on the left as well).

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Totally agree that needing one hand or two to drink water is irrelevant. And that people mocking him over his ability to walk on a ramp or drink water easily is ableist.

I do find it fascinating how his fan base is fawning all over him today for drinking a glass of water with one hand though. Fascism is very intertwined with toxic masculinity and fascists really value machoness. However, Trump, being older, not fit, and not physically strong doesn’t fit the fash macho ideal. So now, they MAGAts have to pretend like drinking a glass of water with one hand is some incredible feat of badassary.

It’s just so bizarre to see.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
1 year ago

I think the reasoning behind a lot of the mockery (insofar as anyone has reasoned about it) is that he’s brought it on himself by all his macho posturing — basically, what WWTH is talking about. It’s like the classic “Haha, have you ever noticed how almost none of the top Nazis were the Aryan ideal???” There’s also the awareness that Trump is really, really thin-skinned, and so it’s easy to set him off. It may not have been classy for Colbert to bring it up, but how can you not be gleeful at seeing how far it got under his skin? A humorist makes a bit of fun of him, and he spends ages having a tantrum about it to his supporters? I honestly kind of hope Colbert makes a list of all Trump rallies when more are announced and tries to see how often he can set him off.

More broadly, there is a certain amount of public interest in the question of whether a political leader is up to the job, health-wise — hence the yearly medical checkups presidents have to have, and how here in Canada people were a bit dismayed when Jack Layton died just a few months after the 2011 election, having campaigned without revealing just how serious his cancer was. Obviously, that can quickly turn into ableism, but the issue of Trump’s health isn’t completely off-topic. Though of course, it’s hardly the major reason to get rid of him, it would just be a useful excuse.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
1 year ago

It’ll be really spooky if his deteriorating health results in his stepping down (or being 25th Amendmented) on July 3. Not only is that the day before Independence Day, it’s also exactly 1260 days after his inauguration …

Allandrel
Allandrel
1 year ago

As a disabled American, yeah, I agree it’s problematic as hell. Yes, the idea is to mock Trump’s vanity and machismo by pointing out the gulf between his claims and his demonstrated ability. But as with pointing out the blatant lies about his height and weight, it is VERY easy to cross over from mocking Trump lying about his physical flaws to mocking the flaws themselves.

Moogue
Moogue
1 year ago

I think people make fun of Trump showing signs of dementia more because of his “strongman” persona, and because of his attacks on Biden and Clinton, than because they want to make fun of disability. I can appreciate that jokes have splash damage, but I think it is also fair to worry whether the person at the head of the US military is suffering from a progressive neurological disease that can affect thinking.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Allandrel
I also notice that frequently it becomes less about Trump and more about generally mocking disability. There are so many legitimate ways to criticize Trump, even legitimate ways to mock his machismo (his hyper fragile ego, anyone?), but instead of going for those people take cheap shots that have splash damage.

@Moogue

I can appreciate that jokes have splash damage, but I think it is also fair to worry whether the person at the head of the US military is suffering from a progressive neurological disease that can affect thinking.

He’s not dangerous because of a mental illness, he’s dangerous because he’s a misogynistic homophobic racist piece of shit. Too many people try to pin this on mental illness, but being an asshole is not a mental illness.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
1 year ago

He’s not dangerous because of a mental illness, he’s dangerous because he’s a misogynistic homophobic racist piece of shit. Too many people try to pin this on mental illness, but being an asshole is not a mental illness.

True, but thus far he’s been dissuaded from, for instance, using nuclear weapons against the Middle East, and if he has dementia his advisors may find it more and more difficult to continue to dissuade him. People with dementia sometimes experience severe personality shifts for the worse, and his personality was already pretty much shit. It’s relevant to the national interest to know.

epitome of incomprehensibility

A lockdown baby boom wouldn’t surprise me. Apparently there was one during the Quebec/Ontario Ice Storm of 1998 (when ice caused a lot of power outages and dangerous road conditions, so many schools/businesses were closed for a week or two). What else can you do when the power’s out and you can’t go anywhere?

…Well, I was 9, so I mostly played Monopoly and whined about how tired I was of Monopoly. 🙂

Moogue
Moogue
1 year ago

@Naglfar

Who’s talking about mental illness? Dementia is a progressive neurological disorder that destroys the brain and directly results in death, not a mental illness. The prognosis is quite different.

Am I saying that someone with dementia can’t be a good president? No, as long as a base level of functioning is present, someone with dementia could be a great president. Am I saying that dementia has something to do with whether or not someone is a good person? No, dementia actually often brings out what kind of person someone is, rather than turning a kind person into an asshole. (Depending on the kind of dementia).

But considering that there’s no way to tell how fast or how slow someone with dementia will deteriorate, I think it is a fair worry that a president with dementia could become either a danger or a puppet due to confusion before they leave or are removed from office.

Does this mean that people should arm chair diagnose and make jokes with splash damage? No. Does this mean that we should actually start requiring a comprehensive neurological exam of all would be presidents rather than relying on a brief physical exam and conjecture? Yeah.

epitome of incomprehensibility

…Sorry if my last post came out of context! I thought the comment just before was about a lockdown baby boom, but I guess I was reading the 2nd page, not the 3rd.

About mocking Trump, I also don’t like people going after his physical weaknesses or making fun of him for possibly having dementia. If he does have some kind of dementia, that could be a concern, but not a reason for mockery, IMO.

@Cyborgette re The Origins of Totalitarianism: I’ve forgotten a lot in the 8 years since I read it, but Arendt’s understated style gave me chills at times. I remember at one point she was speculating if the U.S.’s racism against Black Americans would make it turn into something like Nazi Germany – and this was said in a restrained way, in a footnote. Luckily that didn’t happen – if you can put a “luckily” after 200+ years of chattel slavery and continued lynchings and other violence.

…On an unrelated and lighter note, I turned 32 yesterday! And not 256. (I told my mother “Hey, I’m 2 to the power of 8” and then realized I’d gotten my exponents wrong.) 🙂

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
1 year ago

@ DaliLlama;

YES!

ALL OF THAT!

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Moogue
I am aware of what dementia is, but I also think it’s possible to both recognize that it could be a public concern without simultaneously armchair diagnosing him. I’m sorry if I was unclear in my prior comments.

@Epitome

About mocking Trump, I also don’t like people going after his physical weaknesses or making fun of him for possibly having dementia. If he does have some kind of dementia, that could be a concern, but not a reason for mockery, IMO.

This.

And happy birthday!

Dalillama
Dalillama
1 year ago

@Alan

Chances are the use of the song was technically legal. Publishing companies do all sorts of licensing deals that allow the use of music from artists on their books; usually under some sort of general non exclusive licence.

Nah, there’s special licensing rules for use of music in political campaigns; the venue license explicitly exclude campaign events, the campaign needs to license it separately.

@Weird Eddie
Thanks

Moogue
Moogue
1 year ago

@Naglfar

“…I also think it’s possible to both recognize that it could be a public concern without simultaneously armchair diagnosing him.

Right.

To be clear myself, I don’t support arm-chair diagnosing anyone either, or for making fun of people’s disabilities. People speculate when they see signs because Trump has never received a test that would catch early neurological disease that we know of. It’s maybe not the greatest thing to do, but I understand it. Same actually goes for Biden.

Sharl
Sharl
1 year ago

Don’t make fun of him because he’s fat or old, make fun of him because he’s a soulless, vicious, stupid, arrogant man-child… and because MagaCon turned out about as well as DashCon did 🤣

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 year ago

What I take from the video of Trump struggling with basic tasks is that he may be hiding not being able to govern. Since I don’t trust the official health report, him looking senile is problematic because senility problem really don’t stop at needing help for daily tasks.

And while technically ageist, I would say it should be important to stop using 70+ year men for the highest positions (valable in a lot of country mind you). Age can impair judgement, and it’s hard to check if they do the effort of staying in touch with younger society. That’s true for Biden and Bernie too, even if Bernie don’t quite give the same vibe of being too old for the job.

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
1 year ago

As a voter, I don’t feel entitled to my candidate’s private health record. I also don’t generally support specific armchair diagnoses.

However, if a candidate is very elderly, I’d consider their five year “survival” prospect differently than for a relatively young person. Same if they have apparent symptoms of some degenerative disease, or if their public record shows an apparent lack of physical stamina.

I would not necessarily consider a (publicly known) mental illness or a weird personality or a physical disability to be a problem. One key question is, is it a relatively permanent trait of this person? Or is it something that wasn’t present in recent past, and thus implicitly might get worse in the near future? Is the candidate acting secretive about some health issue that’s apparently difficult to hide?

Then there’s the question, does it really matter? Is this office literally in charge of everything? Who would be the candidate’s designated survivor? How is the succession expected to work out in practice? If the office holder does turn into a vegetable but doesn’t actually die, would they be likely used as a puppet?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

@ dali

Cheers for that.

Ascap do a ‘political campaign’ license. That gives access to all songs in their catalogue unless the artist has specifically withdrawn it.

https://www.ascap.com/~/media/files/pdf/advocacy-legislation/political_campaign.pdf

Currently “I won’t back down” is in there; but presumably Tom Petty’s estate will be remedying that.

https://www.ascap.com/repertory#ace/work/390463828

numerobis
numerobis
1 year ago

epitome of incomprehensibility: happy birthday! The looming of the age of 32 was when I went “holy shit I’m about to need another bit” and decided on a career and country change. Next time I need a new bit I’ll be of age to consider retiring; we shall see…

About the baby boom: I had read, early on, of predictions of a baby boom based on couples going “well what else is there to do?” And I felt rather left out of that, being single. [Edit: actually, not that left out — more like dodging a bullet; me ex and I probably would have been one of those couples, and it would have been a bad idea.]

For new couples moving fast, my theory is that it’s because we live in apocalyptic times. We just locked ourselves up for months in fear of a death plague, which is still out there. The economy has been crushed. Mass protests are being met with heavy police violence. We can’t wait for tomorrow: if feels like there might not *be* a tomorrow.

Of course, for most of us there will be one, so living like there’s no tomorrow means a risk of making bad decisions that we have to live with. Thankfully pharmacies still sell condoms.

numerobis
numerobis
1 year ago

Moogue: I’m not sure why we should even care whether Trump is suffering from some kind of dementia. He was already evil, good at showmanship, but utterly incompetent at higher executive function, decades ago. Dementia doesn’t much change that equation.

If he does suffer from dementia, good for him. There’s very few people I’d wish that awful condition on; he makes the cut.

Shadowplay
1 year ago

I’m not sure why we should even care whether Trump is suffering from some kind of dementia.

He is in one of the three positions on the entire planet that can initiate a nuclear exchange with no other person’s input needed, from where ever he may be.

That’s a fairly good reason to care.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

@ shadowplay

He is in one of the three positions on the entire planet that can initiate a nuclear exchange with no other person’s input needed

Well theoretically the US uses the “two man rule”. The order for any strike must be verified by the Sec Def (and there’s an order of succession in case the president and/or Sec Def are incapacitated.)

Strictly speaking the Sec Def has no authority to veto a strike. Their role is merely to confirm the order is coming from the president. In practice though, withholding that verification could hold up a launch order.

And of course the President merely gives the order; it’s military commanders who have the actual capability to physically initiate a launch. Whether they would refuse to do so is of course something we can merely speculate about.

It’s ironic though that the procedure was put in place to stop the military going on a frolic of their own without regards to the National Command Authority; and now we can only hope that the military would be the ones stopping the President doing something stupid.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 year ago

@Shadowplay : I think the point of Numerobis is that Trump have proven unfit to have access to nuclear strikes even when he wasn’t senile, hence the focus on it is superfluous.

My personal take is that plenty of people think he is able but would not think so if he was proven senile, even if it don’t change his actual behavior.

Shadowplay
1 year ago

Well – the retaliatory options are written in a 75 page folder, and Trump doesn’t like to read … so there’s an extra (accidental) safeguard in this particular case.

Makes me feel sorry for whichever target is on the top of the first page though.

Edit: Oops, that were to Alan. Hadn’t seen your comment, Ohlmann.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

@ shadowplay

And like all racists he probably refuses to attempt ‘foreign’ sounding names. So he’ll probably just order a strike on New Jersey.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Alan Robertshaw
Or he’ll call for one on a fictional country he invented, like Nambia.

epitome of incomprehensibility

Ah, good old Nambia. 😛

Seems to me that the biggest problem with nukes was having them in the first place. 🙁

Also, thanks for the birthday wishes!

@numerobis – Oh yeah, congrats on the new relationship!! About kids, I don’t plan to have children of my own, so I’m glad my partner and I are on the same page about that… perhaps as foster parents a few years from now if we’re living together and in a more stable $ position.

Moogue
Moogue
1 year ago

@Ohlmann

I think the point of Numerobis is that Trump have proven unfit to have access to nuclear strikes even when he wasn’t senile,

Not trying to pick on you as I don’t speak French so I don’t know if this is a false friend thing, but “senile” means something different than “dementia”. For one thing people can get dementia in their 30s, and also dementia is hardly a normal process of aging like stiff joints or normal forgetfulness. Also, it’s pretty shitty to assume that somebody is automatically incompetent because they’re aging, like calling them “senile” implies.

Numerobis, if Trump’s starting point is being evil and incompetent then there’s not any wiggle room for decreasing brain function or a possible side dose of paranoia. Pointing out that Trump is, in fact, already a gigantic asshole doesn’t make the point that you think.

Alan, why should we trust the military brass to do the right thing?

Shadowplay
1 year ago

Alan, why should we trust the military brass to do the right thing?

The thought that the president might order a strike while the balance of his mind is disturbed (to use a nice old phrase) isn’t new to the military – there was a Major (Heron? Herring?) who was dismissed from his post in ’73 for asking what guarantee he had that the president was sane if he gave the order.

It’s not a matter of trust them to do the right thing, although the brass are pretty fond of their own hides and retaliatory strikes invariably hit military targets first, meaning they and everyone they’ve worked with, trained, and made friends with will be a cloud of dust and gas within the hour of the order going through.

It’s hope they do the right thing in this specific circumstance, thanks to the multiple layers of paranoia and mistrust that developed the system in the first place. Sorry I can’t be more encouraging than that.

Edit to add: Hering were the guys name. He were a cautionary tale during OCSS. I’m crap with names

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

If you had a test for mental fitness to be POTUS, you’d need to be very careful to design it to be resistant to abuse. Say, for example, you have the candidate examined by three independent specialists. They could all be bribed, or threatened. You could slip each of them $100M, and probably still turn a profit within four to eight years.

Not that I’m against testing each candidate’s ability. It’s wild that someone applying to manage a McDonald’s franchise, say, probably faces a more rigorous test of their ability than either Trump or Biden do. One of the “revelations” in Bolton’s book is that Trump was unsure whether Finland is a country, and we see almost weekly evidence that his grasp of the mechanics of government would probably merit a failing grade in a civics class. Forget dementia: I’d like to see political candidates everywhere face a written test of their knowledge relevant to the job, and Gary “what is Aleppo” Johnson would fail this as much as someone with dementia. It’s just that this would inevitably be gamed.

Joe
Joe
1 year ago

Remember that Trump has spent his career mocking the disabled, and insinuating that his opponents had disabilities and were lesser people because of it. He imitated a reporter’s cerebral palsy, mocked Hilary’s cough, spread a doctored video of Pelosi around supposedly showing her tremor, mocked Biden’s stutter, and claimed Biden was showing signs of dementia. So, a lot of this is karma.

But, honestly, most people do not hate Trump because he cannot walk down a ramp. Nor do they care how he drinks water. I haven’t heard half as many of his enemies mock his walking as I heard his defenders say things like “He can, too, walk down a ramp, blindfolded even; that ramp was just slippery.” Now, he himself is doing it. He spent more time at his rally drinking water and talking about ramps than he did about covid-19 or civil rights.

Masse_Mysteria
Masse_Mysteria
1 year ago

@Moggie

Trump was unsure whether Finland is a country

It was not great to hear that Trump maybe thought he was in Russia when he was in Helsinki. I seem to remember some jokes about how Finland is apparently going to Putin in some sort of future Molotov–Ribbentrop thingie.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago
Shadowplay
1 year ago

That’s going to be a wall of redactions, if it ever does get released.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Joe

He spent more time at his rally drinking water and talking about ramps than he did about covid-19 or civil rights.

Another purpose of this is it distracts from his more obvious issues on other fronts. It fills time and news stories.

@Moggie
That’s the issue with testing elected officials. Someone would find a way to make it no longer fair and accurate.

An Impish Pepper
An Impish Pepper
1 year ago

It really doesn’t matter if it’s “karma” for Trump doing the same thing to other people. When it becomes a meme, it becomes difficult to tell what the ultimate intent behind it is. The same thing happened to the Drumpf meme; John Oliver used it as a parody of Trump asking why Jon Stewart changed his name from John Leibowitz, but outside that context it just sounds racist as hell. And ultimately it’s a distraction from the actually bad things about Trump.

There was a whole thing earlier in this very thread about whether Warhammer 40k is glorifying fascism. Not everybody pays attention to the lore as much as the cool fascist troopers. Though, I also agree that it’s not specifically a problem with Warhammer 40k, because if we’re going to talk about depicting authoritarians as cool even when the story says they’re evil, that’s a running theme in the vast majority of sci-fi and fantasy.

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

Ah yes, the Russia report which was ready for publication before the general election, until suddenly it wasn’t. And, several months later, the government still hasn’t reconstituted the responsible committee, because Cummings (sorry, I mean Johnson) wants it to be controlled by the most serially incompetent numpty of recent history. Business as usual.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 year ago

@Moogue : it’s more that age can mess with your abilities in a lot of way who aren’t dementia, so I am unwilling to call it dementia. My grandmother had a lot of trouble concentrating or making mentally taxing tasks for several year before her death, and clearly wasn’t under dementia. She was still well enough to deal with herself and somewhat important responsabilities like upkeeping a house, but I would not have agreed with her being a president.

That being said, what I wrote was with the intent that senility isn’t regular aging, but the term for when someone have particulary salient aging problems. If there is a better term for that, I am open.

@AIP : that’s in no small part true, but I believe W40K to be worse than the other in that regard, and I also believe it’s important to keep gradations here. Dune certainly glorify a kind of fascist-like leader, but do so while still insisting heavily that the Empire of Arrakis isn’t efficient at all and that their Glorious Leader was more or less winging it even despite having an almost perfect vision of the future.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@An Impish Pepper

And ultimately it’s a distraction from the actually bad things about Trump.

This is the big one for me. When people are taking cheap shots about ramps and water, they ignore the real issues of his presidency. There are so many other things to call him out for about his character and actions rather than his ramp walking ability.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
1 year ago

@Naglfar:

Which is probably why he and his supporters are spending so much time on it, while his critics have mostly moved on to mocking his walk of shame after the rally. In the same way that Boris Johnson & co spent ages ranting about the threat to statues of Churchill when basically nobody was proposing to take them down, it helps distract from the real problems.

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

I’ve just had to measure my wrist circumference for the first time, for a splint. Turns out I need a size XL! I was a Chad all along, without realising!

Joe
Joe
1 year ago

You say it distracts from the real issues, but you forget two salient facts.

1) If Trump did focus on the real issues, he might get himself elected to a second term. Even just hammering the racism in a more careful, dog whistling manner might be enough to pick up more voters, while allowing the people who just care about tax cuts and business subsidies just enough cover to convince themselves they aren’t racists electing a monster. But even his diehard supporters have a hard time convincing themselves to get riled up over a guy who rants “I can too drink water.”
2) Trump is currently in power now, and he may always be a scatterbrained idiot, but he has smart, insidious people in his cabinet. This throws them off their game, and that is very important. Because in several crucial Supreme Court decisions, civil rights were saved, not because the entire court agreed to protect them, but because someone in the Justice department or EPA or Department of Education did not cross their ts and dot their is correctly.

In any case, it is immaterial. Because his opponents are not making a big deal that he can’t drink or walk. Not mostly, at any rate. They are talking about people dying in the streets. He is the one obsessed with proving he isn’t old. Maybe it’s because he can’t prove he actually cares about Black people, or because he can’t keep focused about Covid-19 long enough to do anything. It doesn’t matter. Saying “I can too drink” while people are dying is a losing argument. Let him make it.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Joe

If Trump did focus on the real issues, he might get himself elected to a second term.

In the context of my comment I meant that him talking about his ability to drink water distracts viewers from how poorly he has handled the pandemic and other things he’s screwed up. Apologies if I was unclear.