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an autistic giraffe
an autistic giraffe
1 year ago

Is Trump trying to lose the election by killing off his supports? Or does he think that virus can vote or something

gijoel
gijoel
1 year ago

@ giraffe. A better question would be does he care if his supporters die from covid19.

gijoel
gijoel
1 year ago

Katie Hopkins has been banned from Twitter. Insert Ha-Ha caption.

Snowberry
Snowberry
1 year ago

Trump is a malignant narcissist. The past does not truly exist and is remembered only as what paints him in the best light. The present and future exist only to feed the tiny, constantly starving hole where his ego should be. Truth exists only in service of that.

He is not killing off his followers. The coronavirus vaccine ended the threat, remember? He is reaching out to the people, the ones who might vote for traitor Biden, because they are weak. But once they see his mighty figure, they will become strong again, and truly know that their purpose is to feed the hole inside him. And he will exist forever as the ruler of the greatest nation, and it will be glorious.

This, or something similar, is the absolute truth – because he needs it to be true, and for no other reason. All else is lies, vile lies created by lying monsters for the sole purpose of hurting him. There are others behind the scenes trying to be more strategic about things, but either they’re bad at this, or their efforts are largely futile in the face of the Trump whirlwind. Likely both, given how he surrounds himself almost entirely with incompetent bootlickers.

Don’t look for reason when he does anything. Reason is usually off in the corner whimpering in agony when the likes of him is involved. 😢

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
1 year ago

@ Snowberry

What vaccine now? Did I miss something?

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 year ago

@BTD : I guess Snowberry point is that Trump is too narcissistic to remember that it’s a lie he spun halfway. (he did try to get an exclusivity on future vaccine research)

Amtep
Amtep
1 year ago

I think as far as there’s any strategy, it’s to deny the virus so thoroughly that his voters are unafraid of going to the polls. He doesn’t mind if they die after they’ve voted.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
1 year ago

@Snowberry:

But once they see his mighty figure, they will become strong again, and truly know that their purpose is to feed the hole inside him. And he will exist forever as the ruler of the greatest nation, and it will be glorious.

Somehow that reminds me of things I was hearing about Kim Jong-Un back in like 2013 or something.

North Korea: the nation that had a Trump-esque leader before it was cool. 😛

Snowberry
Snowberry
1 year ago

(I went a bit overboard with that last post on purpose, but to be clear if anyone’s confused: there’s no vaccine yet, and there probably won’t be one for awhile. The entire second paragraph is delusional, and that’s the point.)

kupo
kupo
1 year ago

There’s reports of a shooting, possibly two separate shooting incidents, at the Capital Hill Occupied Protest (CHOP/previously known as CHAZ) in Seattle. Reports of at least two victims, one DOA, and people on the scene are reporting a black man was shot by a white man.

Apparently a Facebook livestream is getting a bunch of laughing emotes in response. I saw some MAGAs laughing about it on Twitter, too. Just disgusting.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

I am hoping that any potential protestors have the good sense to stay away from this event. Trump wants there to be protestors so he can use them to fearmonger towards his base. He wants there to be footage he can misrepresent so he can justify going full dictator. He wants a protest, we shouldn’t give him what he wants. Protest in other locations, but do not protest his rally, as that is exactly what he wants to happen.

I feel sorry for any liberal/left media that has to cover this event. Reporters are going to be forced to stay in close quarters and I’m sure Trump supporters will performatively cough on them to be obnoxious.

Shadowplay
1 year ago

He wants there to be footage he can misrepresent so he can justify going full dictator.

He just tried to have Barr fire the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York.

You know, the one who’s investigating Parnas, Guilliani, etc and CAN’T be shut down by the Federal justice system, since he’s a state attorney.

(apparently he can be replaced by a Senate approved replacement – the courts appointed him in an acting capacity, since the Administration didn’t bother to do so. this means the only person who can fire him directly is Trump – in person.
There is no such Senate approved replacement – nor is there likely to be)

Shadowplay
1 year ago

Just missed the edit window to add this to above:

In more Mammoth type news: The Proud Boys have launched a dating site to “repopulate the West.”

Big Titty Demon
Big Titty Demon
1 year ago

@Naglfar

Reporters are going to be forced to stay in close quarters and I’m sure Trump supporters will performatively cough on them to be obnoxious.

I admit that I cannot watch Trump rally coverage, for my own sanity. Thus my question: do they do this sort of thing to Fox News as well, or OAN? Will the desire to spare favored networks harm outweigh the desire to harm unfavored networks if not, since all the networks will be crowded together?

Can reporters be forced to sign the waiver as attendees, or, as free press, are they exempt? Can murder charges be pressed if they get covid from purposeful coughing and die?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

@ Big Titty Demon

Can murder charges be pressed if they get covid from purposeful coughing and die?

A law student did a pretty good article on how the law might apply here.

https://www.legalcheek.com/lc-journal-posts/could-covid-19-spit-attacks-amount-to-constructive-manslaughter/

Allandrel
Allandrel
1 year ago

I have come to the conclusion that Trump is deliberately trying to maximize the coronavirus death toll, because it makes him feel powerful.

He needs that rush of power and domination. It is the only thing that matters. But it is fleeting, so the hunger always remains. In fact, as he feeds it, the hunger grows. Nothing will ever fill the void.

Trump is a wendigo.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Shadowplay
Somehow, I doubt that many “Antifa women” will be applying for dates with Proud Boys.

@Big Titty Demon

Do they do this sort of thing to Fox News as well, or OAN?

I can’t say for sure, but I’d guess they see them as collateral damage, seeing as Trump has repeatedly called the media “the enemy of the people.”

@Allandrel
The whole point of this specific event really seems to be to boost his mood, as evidenced by Jeremy Diamond. Unlike the emperor from Warhammer 40K, though, Trump is totally open about how he wants to sacrifice people for his own benefit.

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

Anyone have any thoughts about the current Matt Gaetz weirdness?

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

@Naglfar:

The whole point of this specific event really seems to be to boost his mood

Can’t they just buy him a Happy Meal or a colouring book? Or just medicate him? Much cheaper.

rv97
rv97
1 year ago

@kupo

Those MAGgots only want fascism.

Back to the topic:

Why don’t we try and ban capitalism? Sure, it’s difficult in this environment but a lot of issues can be traced to it.

Allandrel
Allandrel
1 year ago

@Naglfar

I expect that if Trump learned of the Golden Throne, he would insist that “scientists” build one for him immediately.

The trend for alt-right types to depict Trump as the (pre-Golden Throne) God-Emperor of Mankind is scary. Apart from the scary cult aspects of it, their depiction of Trump as the GEoM at the apex of his glory seems blissfully unaware of what happens after that.

The Emperor’s abject failure, and the corruption of everything he tried to build into a fascist theocratic hellscape, is not exactly obscure 40k lore. It’s the basic premise.

For more than a hundred centuries the Emperor has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Earth. He is the Master of Mankind by the will of the gods and master of a million worlds by the might of his inexhaustible armies. He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Technology. He is the Carrion Lord of the Imperium, for whom a thousand souls die every day, for whom blood is drunk and flesh eaten. Human blood and human flesh – the stuff of which the Imperium is made. To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. This is the tale of those times.

Forget the power of technology, science and common humanity. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for there is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter and the laughter of thirsting gods.

It’s a great setting for a wargame, but who the hell wants that as their future?

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
1 year ago

@ Moggie

My First Thought (to get all Tiffany Aching here) was “If Gaetz was so proud of Nester being his son, why didn’t he brag about the kid earlier and more often?” Admittedly I’ve never been in a foster/unofficial adoption situation, but I have trouble wrapping my brain around a parent who declares they’re proud of a child and yet never identifies themself publicly as a parent. One of my former bosses is a white man who adopted two Black children, and he never wasted an opportunity to show them off. I don’t know him well enough to say if he was just being a proud parent or if he was trying to score points in his fundie circle. I admit my personal dislike of his leadership style makes it hard to be objective.

My Second Thought was “Gaetz still is wrong; he doesn’t know what it’s like to be the parent of a Black child. That’s what Rep. Richmond said. Why did Gaetz pick this way to deflect attention away from Rep. Richmond’s remarks?”

My Third Thought was “Are we SURE that the Lady G label belongs to Lindsay Graham?”

In other news, TIL I learned that other white people don’t understand that 14 and 88 are neo-Nazi references, and I had to try to figure out a way to explain it without spreading Nazi propaganda. I kept asking myself, “WWCAD* do?” And also tried to use my German professor as a guide; he was a USAF translator who helped free the camps and dedicated his scholarship to elevating the truth about the Holocaust, because that was how he saw his role in “never again.”

*What would Captain America do?

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Moggie

Can’t they just buy him a Happy Meal or a colouring book? Or just medicate him? Much cheaper.

Or just let him take selfies in front of a church again? He seemed to like that a lot.

@Allandrel

It’s a great setting for a wargame, but who the hell wants that as their future?

I think they want it just to hurt others and they accept themselves as collateral damage. They care less about their own well-being than owning teh libs (see: the Tulsa rally, which thousands will attend for that reason).

@Victorious Parasol

My First Thought (to get all Tiffany Aching here) was “If Gaetz was so proud of Nester being his son, why didn’t he brag about the kid earlier and more often?”

Also, since conservatives love their minority tokens and shields, one would expect Nestor to make more of a showing to deflect allegations of racism.

“Are we SURE that the Lady G label belongs to Lindsay Graham?”

I could be wrong, but I thought it was stated that Lady G is a senator, meaning they couldn’t be Gaetz. Maybe I’m mixing up the details though.

TIL I learned that other white people don’t understand that 14 and 88 are neo-Nazi references, and I had to try to figure out a way to explain it without spreading Nazi propaganda.

I had to explain those to my mother on the phone the other day. She didn’t know what they meant either. I explained it by saying that the “14 Words” was a white supremacist equivalent of the Pledge of Allegiance (without saying the actual 14 words) and explained the 88 by asking her what the 8th letter of the alphabet was, then asked what that could stand for until she guessed it.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 year ago

@Allandrel : I hate how the emperor and the empire was initially a deconstruction of the fascism ideal, and is now the shining example of the mythified fascism ideal, thanks in no small part to their editors that seem to think that it help sell minis.

If you ask yourself why they want to be the Emperor of 40k, read recent fictions about it. They toned down the decaying a lot, but not the authoritarism, making it look that it’s the authoritarism that make things work. The space marine are still shown as the iron fist of the empire, but a justified iron fist. All problems are solved by the application of space marines to it, who go in and kill the problem. Current police forces act like space marines in 40k, so showing them in a good light is problematic.

I much prefered the older depiction, where the emperor seemed perfectly aware of his humanity and tried (and failed) to control the worse excess that came with a human having god-like power and the control of a vast empire, and where space marines were the bad solution to everything.

That being said, Warhammer 40k was alway problematic, because at its core, the force of chaos show freedom and knowledge as the bad guys, the force that is inherently corrupted and bring down mankind. While that make for a particulary bleak universe, it’s also really not the kind of dystopia for mass consumption.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
1 year ago

@Naglfar

Re explaining the 14 words as a perverted Pledge of Allegiance – that’s a good way to put it, and I wish I’d thought of it. I said it was a dominance move that translated to “you will not replace us!” I also made reference to Enigma for the 88 explanation, since the Allies were in part able to break the code because the Nazis just HAD to keep saluting their glorious leader.

And after all that hard work, I’m making a pizza crust for my lunch.

Catalpa
Catalpa
1 year ago

They care less about their own well-being than owning teh libs (see: the Tulsa rally, which thousands will attend for that reason).

I don’t think that they care less about their well-being than owning the libs, I think that they believe they are special and exempt from harm. They are the protagonist of the story after all, and that makes them special. Nothing bad will happen to them. The Leopards Eating People’s Faces party will only eat the right people’s faces.

Allandrel
Allandrel
1 year ago

@Ohlmann,

I think that 40k is as deliberately horrible as it has always been, the shift has been more in hiding the tongue-in-cheek nature behind heavy metal album covers. It’s a shift in presentation, not theme.

It’s still deliberately over-the-top awful, just less “openly laughing about it.” Consider the Orks, who remain the primary comic relief, but by exaggerating their brutality rather than their goofiness.

I don’t think any of the developers consider the Imperium a Good Thing. Canon material constantly throws around words like “nightmare dystopia” and the “what would look awesome painted on the side of a van” aesthetic does not conflict with that.

So I do think that the fans who take anything about the Imperium as desirable are reading what they want to read into it, not what the writers are trying to get across.

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

@VP:

My Third Thought was “Are we SURE that the Lady G label belongs to Lindsay Graham?”

I’m not buying it. He’s apparently had the kid in his care since the latter was 12-13 years old. So this would not be a Lady G situation, but something much worse. And, as dumb as Gaetz is, I don’t think he’s dumb enough to willingly start people digging if that’s the skeleton in his closet. I dunno: the whole thing smells, but I just don’t know what it smells of, unless the answer is just “Florida”.

@Naglfar:

Or just let him take selfies in front of a church again? He seemed to like that a lot.

You know what? They should just equip a room in the White House with a green screen, and show him how he could use it to appear wherever he wants. Or get him a VR headset, and mock up a virtual rally.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Catalpa
That could also connect to evangelical beliefs: they think they are righteous and that God will protect them from harm and/or take them to heaven if they do die.

@Allandrel
For any dystopia in writing, one runs the risk of a sort of Poe’s Law: someone will think it’s a great idea and read the whole story wrong.

@Moggie
A virtual rally probably wouldn’t satisfy Trump because he wouldn’t get to hear crowds chanting his slogans. He wouldn’t get to show off how many people see him, which is what he wants.

By the way: do we have any estimates of how many people will go to the rally in Tulsa?

Titanium
Titanium
1 year ago

Donald Trump is finished. I daresay his chances of reelection are <50%. He has really shot himself in the foot and the butt by his incompetence at handling a major crisis. Some truths are just too big and obvious to obfuscate.

Snowberry
Snowberry
1 year ago

@Naglfar: The Tulsa Rally is going on right now. There’s no official estimate and won’t be until awhile after, but I’ve seen very rough estimates from 40,000 to 80,000. Trump said earlier he expects one million, because of course.

Catalpa
Catalpa
1 year ago

In other news, Gabriel Wortman, the man who committed Canada’s deadliest mass shooting in April, withdrew a significant amount of money from a bank in a way that civilians cannot, but that the RCMP (Canada’s Federal police) frequently uses to pay their undercover agents and informants.

Coincidentally, the killer also had access to a police car and a police uniform, which he used during the shooting. (Along with a big stash of guns and several domestic violence reports that the police did absolutely nothing about.)

Predictably, the RCMP are claiming that the killer definitely had nothing to do with them.

https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/the-nova-scotia-shooter-case-has-hallmarks-of-an-undercover-operation/

Dalillama
Dalillama
1 year ago

@Ohlmann
The thing abour the 40k universe that people taking it seriously always forget is that it is a wargame. The setting is premised on eternal warfare because it’s a game of simulated war. It’s absurd to apply moral values of any sort to any of the sides because morality is not relevant in the context of a wargame. There’s only factions, who fight each other, and there’s no greater meaning to any faction’s backstory than “this is why they’ll never make peace”.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Snowberry

The Tulsa Rally is going on right now.

My apologies, I thought it was later in the day.

I expect to see a significant spike in cases in Oklahoma within a week, because I doubt any attendees will be wearing masks.

Snowberry
Snowberry
1 year ago

…Also today is National No Mask Day, and businesses will ban the wearing of face coverings, unless they’re run by cowards or slaves to the forces of evil. So says the kind of people who are showing up at the Tulsa Rally. I don’t expect that most people will pay attention to that if they’re even aware of it, but if you live in an area where those types are prominent, be aware that there’s always a chance that some business you use will listen to them and do so.

Snowberry
Snowberry
1 year ago

…Whoops, I messed it up. I saw links to the live event but didn’t check them (who wants to watch Trump babbling? Not me), and misread the time for the Rally as AM and not PM, so I thought it was going on about now, but it’s actually not until tonight. But there are around 40,000 to 80,000 people already gathered in the area for the event, so it might eventually be higher (the city is supposedly prepared for 100,000 or more). Not to mention that the increased density of uncovered faces all day long isn’t going to help. This will be *bad*. 😰 I mean, it was already going to be bad, but this is worse than I thought.

Also, this isn’t just Oklahoma. People are also coming in from elsewhere. But Oklahoma will take the brunt of it.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Snowberry

Also today is National No Mask Day, and businesses will ban the wearing of face coverings, unless they’re run by cowards or slaves to the forces of evil.

Whose awful idea was that?

Also, this isn’t just Oklahoma. People are also coming in from elsewhere. But Oklahoma will take the brunt of it.

Seeing as Tulsa is less than 100 miles from the borders of Missouri, Arkansas, and Kansas, it seems likely people are coming from those states. I’m not sure if anyone is coming in from further, but it’s possible some superfans have driven or flown in.

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
1 year ago

Quote from the Guardian’s pre-rally report:

At the BOK Center on Saturday, Trump lawyer Pam Bondi, a former Florida attorney general, told the Guardian: “We hope that people are going to stay socially distanced, are going to wear a mask, [use] hand sanitiser and be respectful of each other.

“It’s not a legal requirement, it’s people’s own free choice. But we hope everyone will be peaceful and happy and have a great rally and social distance”

I find it amusing that she’s carefully framing this whole thing as a “wish” rather than “recommendation”, going out of her way to emphasize the freedom of choice. Heaven forbid anyone gets the impression that they’re being *told* to wear a mask just because Trump campaign saw it necessary to hand them out.

I’d be rather surprised if the campaign has actually stocked 19,000 masks for this event. It’s not like they expect most people to accept the mask handout.

Also, lol at the wish for people “staying socially distanced”. If that actually happened, Trump would be hideously disappointed at the sparse attendance.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Lumipuna
I’m actually surprised they’re handing out masks at all. I’d think most Trump supporters would see it as offensive and emasculating that someone cares enough about their safety and others to try to prevent disease.

Snowberry
Snowberry
1 year ago

News articles on “National No-Mask Day” appear to be sparse, and none of them mention where the idea came from, so probably someone obscure, or an anonymous 4chan troll, or something similar. There are a few images associated with it which one can Google if one wants, as I’d rather not link them or display them in hopes it doesn’t get any unnecessary attention. Also it doesn’t seem like the idea is well known, at least. The earliest mention I can find is just 3 days old.

I have noticed that a lot of message board posts, news comments, and blog comments have recently had one or two people who insist that the CDC (or WHO in the case of non-US focused things) recommends *against* masks because because the fatality rate has proven lower than the flu, and also wearing face coverings promotes bacterial infections. They usually get dogpiled for it, but continue sowing doubt nonetheless. The backlash is growing, unfortunately. Let’s hope it doesn’t grow very much.

Prith kDar
Prith kDar
1 year ago

I’ve been wondering how the hell they’re going to protect Dumbo? Will he be in a glass cage or something? In that environment, social distancing is useless. People shouting, cheering, coughing, sneezing – all that sends droplets around that don’t stay in a nice 6′ radius. Look up some of the videos where they’ve tracked it in closed spaces. That whole arena is going to be teeming with virus, since there’s no doubt many attending are infected.

::sigh:: I keep waiting for cosmic karma to kick in, but it just laughs at me and keeps taking innocent people who were trying to help or stay safe, while the people inciting the lemmings to jump seem to remain safe, even when exposed, even when they test positive.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

@ moggie

“Fake flus!”

C.S.Strowbridge
C.S.Strowbridge
1 year ago

I bet if you asked 100 Trump supporters if they were planning on getting the vaccine Trump just announced, most would say yes and none would even ask any questions. Even if they never heard Trump say there was a vaccine, they would accept it without question. It’s a cult.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@CS Strowbridge
Yet the exact same people would reject the vaccine if it were announced by Bill Gates because something something New World Order something something trackers. 50% of Fox News viewers think a Gates vaccine is to track people.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

O/T, but this is an open thread and I have a question about British government:

Is there a way to remove a peer from the House of Lords? I know they are typically appointed for life, but racist, homophobic, and transphobic comments from a certain Baroness made me wonder if there was a way to remove her from her peerage.

tim gueguen
1 year ago

As is always the case with the Proud Boys it’s worth mentioning that the wife of founder Gavin McInnes is half Native America. They have 3 children. So he’s an actual race traitor, although I’m sure they don’t use that slur.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 year ago

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Well well well.

@Dalillama : but it’s not just a wargame setting. There’s also books, tabletop games, etc, about it. Also, plenty of universes who are custom made to have permanent wars and yet don’t make fascism look good.

It’s also somewhat insidious, because while a universe where freedom and knowledge are inherently bad is an interesting take, it’s also dangerous because it make freedom and knowledge look inherently bad in general. It’s similar to how universes where men and women are essentially different easily promote sexism to part of their readers.

And warhammer 40k clearly does not sell itself as a dystopia or a particulary bad future. Sure, it say grimdark and all, but it’s sold on the back of playing badass super soldiers, not on the back of playing brutal enforcers of a corrupt regim.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

@ naglfar

Just on phone so can’t expand on this (no doubt a relief for all) but here’s the relevant legislation:

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2014/24/enacted

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2015/14/enacted

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Catalpa,

I saw that, and it perhaps explains why the news about that shooting disappeared from the news in about a day.

Thread,

So, apparently the address to the overflow got cancelled because there isn’t an overflow crowd. Pretty hilarious. Although I’m sure that Trump will say there really were a million people there and his supporters will believe him.

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