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“Getting raped is a product of sexual privilege,” declares Blackpilled Twitterer

Rape is a kind of robbery, according to @CCide

By David Futrelle

Twitter’s @CCide is a “blackpilled” incel-sympathizer who describes himself in his Twitter bio as someone “Enforcing Monogamy, Unhorsing Sodomy, Endorsing Patriarchy.” He’s got close to 4500 Twitter followers, among them Rollo Tomassi, an internet-famous Red Piller responsible for the “Rational Male” books and website. He clearly sees himself as a philosopher of the so-called Black Pill.

He’s also got perhaps the worst take on rape I’ve ever seen:

CC isn’t the first to portray rape as a form of property theft; indeed, that was once the standard take on the subject. But he’s the first I can recall seeing who describes being raped as a sign of sexual privilege — implying that if you’re sexually desirable enough to be raped you’re inherently more privileged than sexually frustrated incels, whom no one desires and, presumably, no one rapes.

Meanwhile, he sees “friendzoning” as a crime against men as serious as rape.

Somehow CC also seems to believe that all sex is rape because women are not developed enough to legally consent:

Suffice it to say his views on sex generally are pretty fucked-up.

For more on this last bit, and why it’s a bunch of hooey, see here and here.

He’s serious about that “enforcing monogamy” thing, and thinks arranged marriages are great.

Keeping true to his reactionary self, he rails against welfare as a form of “economic cuckoldry” and worse.

I guess we’d do better just to let children of poor sinlge mothers starve.

CC is convinced that gay men and trans women are really incels in disguise, driven to change their sexualities and gender identification because they’ve been rejected by women.

It should probably go without saying that he’s also racist as fuck.

Also, he thinks the only reason women care about George Floyd is that he was tall.

CC may be many things, but one thing he is clearly not is modest. He thinks that what he’s tweeting will go down in history, and not just as the sometimes amusing, sometimes infuriating tweets of a delusional nobody.

Sorry, dude, but from where I sit you’re just another shitty dude with shitty ideas, and there’s no shortage of them these days.

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Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
10 months ago

Unhorsing Sodomy

???

Will I regret asking?

Lizard People Operative
Lizard People Operative
10 months ago

Man rapes woman, exploiting her sexual resources as she hopes it stops.

Woman friendzones man, exploiting his emotional resources as he hopes for more.

Both are equally harmful. Both should be equally punished.

The problem with this little fantasy of yours is that the “friendzone” has no legal definition, and therefore, unless the law is carefully drafted, you’d end up with a law that would allow heavy penalties to be placed on a woman if she doesn’t offer a man anything he wants, whenever he wants…

…But then again, that’s probably a feature, not a bug.

Naglfar
Naglfar
10 months ago

Wow, so many bad takes. I’ve seen this fellow before and he is still as scummy as he was then.

Smart rich people don’t flaunt their wealth.

What world does live in? Rich people flaunt their wealth all the time.

exploiting his emotional resources

“We need three more units of emotional wheat to feed the armies but she took it!”

they can’t really make consensual choices of their own.

Correction: no women will consensually choose to sleep with you.

Biologically speaking, heterosexuality is per se pedophilic considering neoteny is a core secondary sexual characteristic.

Umm…I don’t see many babies with secondary sex characteristics. He must be watching too much lolicon.

That is why she calls you Daddy, but she will dry out when called Mommy.

Am I the only person who finds it creepy when men insist on being called Daddy? I mean, if that’s your thing to call men Daddy, you do you, but I confess it’s a little creepy IMO.

Jizzing in a woman someone’s already jizzed in is like writing in someone else’s diary

And? I’ve written in other people’s diaries (with their permission) and it was NBD. Now, if you’re doing it without permission I can see an issue, but that’s a different issue.

They are physiological adaptations to male inceldom.

I’ve heard this theory many times, from TERFs and incels alike. Doesn’t change how it’s totally wrong.

30% of men who are incels

80% of men are left without wives

Which one is it? There’s a big difference between 30% and 80%. Oh, and [citation needed].

@Alan Robertshaw
I haven’t a clue. Maybe he wants to ban horse dildos? Or he really didn’t like the Big Book of Lesbian Horse Stories (2003 winner of the Bookseller/Diagram Prize for Oddest Title of the Year)?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
10 months ago

@ naglfar

the Big Book of Lesbian Horse Stories

I like that lady horses what love other lady horses can find themselves represented in literature.

Naglfar
Naglfar
10 months ago

@Alan Robertshaw
I haven’t read it ($120 for a paperback is a bit steep), but it appears from the description that it’s about human lesbians, with horses playing a side role. So I guess sapphic mares will have to find their fix elsewhere.

Snowberry
Snowberry
10 months ago

@Naglfar:

What world does live in? Rich people flaunt their wealth all the time.

Eh, he kinda sorta has a bit of truth there. Smart wealthy people generally don’t flaunt their wealth to anyone other than other wealthy people at private events, if at all. I mean, people like Bill Gates may be famous for being extremely wealthy, and it’s hard to hide fame which is based purely on raw numbers, but they don’t do ostentatious displays.

Open flaunting of wealth is mostly a phenomenon of noveau riche (particularly but not exclusively among pop star musicians/singers/dancers who grew up poor), emotionally insecure idiots, or narcissists.

That being said, people who have experienced both the trauma of rape and the trauma of theft mostly consider them fundamentally different, and the former being much worse. It’s not a great analogy even when you ignore the inherent dehumanization of comparing people’s bodies to personal property.

Shadowplay
10 months ago

Am I the only person who finds it creepy when men insist on being called Daddy? I mean, if that’s your thing to call men Daddy, you do you, but I confess it’s a little creepy IMO.

Not the only one. It’s wilt city to me.

Naglfar
Naglfar
10 months ago

@Snowberry
Fair enough. I still think this whole body:money thing is a bad analogy, but that’s a separate issue.

EyeHeartSpiders
EyeHeartSpiders
10 months ago

80% of men?? I’m gonna need a citation. Pew says 50% or so of men in the USA are married, although the mean age at first marriage is higher now (30). Once again the incel hatred of all joy in the world remains untainted by fact.

Naglfar
Naglfar
10 months ago

@EyeHeartSpiders
Plus, all the data I can find suggests that the percent of men who are virgins past 50 is less than 1%. Not that there’s any shame in being a virgin at any age, of course, but that statistic blows away many an incel myth.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Even leaving aside the gross wrongness of rape being a sign of privilege, how the hell is being stolen from a sign of economic privilege?

Poor people get stolen from plenty. Not just in the classical robbery sense, but wage theft too.

Statements like that are one of the many reasons that I believe that incels and other manospherians are typically well off. Nobody poor/working class would ever believe that only the wealthy worry about theft.

Savanah
Savanah
10 months ago

Why do so many hierarchical patriarchs think their words, tweets or anything will go down in history? It’s sooo embarrassing. Can they not see it? They’re so worried about being “cukholded by society” and it’s OTHER MEN in history that did that to them. Not women. Not every guy was Hobbes. You think there weren’t 10,000 other Hobbesian idealists trying to get their proverbial tweets to go down in history at the same time? Even Hobbes walked onto the scene with a “I’ve got the solution to all problems” attitude and he done fucked up too. Guys….someone help the patriarch guys. They’re falling apart!!

Catalpa
Catalpa
10 months ago

GENOCIDE as your alleles are diluted by your very resources that could have gone into your progeny.

I don’t believe that this man knows what the words ‘genocide’ or ‘alleles’ actually mean.

Money can’t dilute alleles, that’s not how DNA works at all.

Naglfar
Naglfar
10 months ago

@Savanah

Why do so many hierarchical patriarchs think their words, tweets or anything will go down in history?

Probably because they’ve been raised and experienced the world in such a way to believe that they, as cishet white men, are the center of the universe and their word is divine. It is almost laughable how significant they think they are, I recall Mike Cernovich was recently tweeting about how he is one of the most important people ever to live, when I think most people don’t know he exists other than his fans and enemies.

someone help the patriarch guys. They’re falling apart!!

Or don’t, we could just let them fall.

@Catalpa
Bigots don’t really understand DNA much in general, so I’m not surprised they think this. See also: TERFs, “scientific” racists, etc.

LindsayIrene
LindsayIrene
10 months ago

Given that the dollar amount of wage theft in the US is higher than that of burglaries and robberies combined, and that it’s corporations like WalMart that engage in it, I’m going to go out on a limb and say that low-wage workers probably experience a higher amount of theft in proportion to their assets than anyone else.

Katherine the Adequate
Katherine the Adequate
10 months ago

It’s always striking to me how these repulsive dudes have absolutely no clue why they have no wives or girlfriends. Almost as striking as how they consider themselves to be “nice guys,” even after they express their garbage opinions about women.

tim gueguen
10 months ago

Someone should tell CCide the age of consent isn’t 18 everywhere in the US either. Or maybe they shouldn’t, since he’s probably another asshole who likes his women too young.

Moogue
Moogue
10 months ago

Man, that comic that compares women judging men on a dating app by looks to a man sorting out other men by race is just wild. I mean, sure discrimination based on looks is a real thing, and I think dating apps in general are just unhealthy, but to compare those problems to systematic RACISM?!!!

I bet all those comic foids also think that dying of cancer is worse than a vicious hangover, those hypocrites! /s

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
10 months ago

The idea that being stolen from is a sign of privilege is exactly the same playbook as “Only sexy women get raped,” just as the idea that only people who flaunt their wealth get stolen from is the same as “Women get raped due to flaunting their sexiness in how they dress.” Both assume that crime is entirely a matter of stranger-from-the-bushes. (And given how the word “mugging” is kind of a bit racialized in North America, it’s racist as fuck.)

Basically, the existence of Batman is all down to that dumb b*tch Martha Wayne wearing her pearls, because if she’s had the sense not to flaunt her wealth by doing so, she and her husband would never have been mugged and shot. (Though admittedly, that thought is sort of at the basis of my favorite version of that origin story, where the reason she’s wearing her pearls is because Bruce asked her to, leading to a massive sense of guilt over what happens which goes a long way towards justifying his somewhat extravagant reaction to his trauma.)

tessarion
tessarion
10 months ago

Anyone who believes that no woman would get off to being called “Mommy” clearly hasn’t spent any time around lesbians.

(of course, this chucklehead probably thinks lesbians aren’t real, either)

Callum
Callum
10 months ago

Aside from the analogy being disgusting, it’s not only pretty women that get raped, in fact the most likely variable is vulnerability. As such disabled and the elderly are particularly at risk of sexual assault.

But honestly this guys barely even worth commenting on, he’s living in more of a fantasy land

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
10 months ago

Same thread, different poster:

Rational Male Quotes
@Rational_Quotes
” All women are sexual, you just need to be the right guy at the right time.” – Rational Male
9:36 PM · Jun 12, 2020·RedPillBookQuotes

Damn. That is some deeply rational thinking.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
10 months ago

@Nagfljar : he said “smart” rich people. I can also say that pink unicorns only eat panda meat, it will be just as right.

(ok, ok. Some rich people are smart, but flaunting one wealth seriously isn’t a sign of smartness in my book)

For me the worse part is the idea only pretty women get raped. Everything that was quoted is horrible, but that part take the cake because of the implications.

LollyPop
LollyPop
10 months ago

By suggesting “friendzoning” is as bad as rape, that would mean women were legally required to only ever speak to men they find sexually attractive, and once they’d engaged in any lengthy conversion, be unable to change her mind. Kinda robs the whole getting to know someone thing of fun and romance doesn’t it?

Also experience and anecdotal evidence suggests that the sort of guys who get angry about friendzoning are also the sort of guys who get very angry if you are straight up with them. Like “URGH, I only wanted to talk to you, I don’t even fancy you, you stuck up *****”

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
10 months ago

I thought “unhorsing sodomy” is a mildly clever way of saying “My political agenda involves ranting about the perceived glorification of gays and whatever I find ‘degenerate’ sexuality”.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
10 months ago

@Lollypop : what he actually suggest is that each women is assigned a husband somehow (auction ? lottery ? big government choosing ?), and then that women is definitely forbidden to interact with any other adult for the rest of her life.

You’re giving him too much credit by implying he would found the concept of courtship or romance not abbhorent.

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
10 months ago

Catalpa wrote:

Money can’t dilute alleles, that’s not how DNA works at all.

Well, if you take a bunch of $20 bills and some gametes and put them all in a blender, it might work in the literal sense….

Naglfar
Naglfar
10 months ago

@Kat

All women are sexual, you just need to be the right guy at the right time

Wait, so are women sexual or not? I hear red pill men claim that women are and aren’t sexual at the same time. Does each woman have Schrödinger’s sex drive? Or can the red pill men get their story straight?

@Gaebolga
And that’s how you make the world’s worst smoothie.

Victorious Parasol
Victorious Parasol
10 months ago

Guys like this could read The Handmaid’s Tale and come away thinking that the Republic of Gilead fell because its leaders were too soft on the female population.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
10 months ago

So women are “genetically programmed” to go after Chad -> which makes them passive robots incapable of agency or consent.

Meanwhile, men are compelled to seek out neoteny -> which makes them fully fledged adults, according to evolution.

Truly this guy is one of the biggest brained thinky-thought thinkers of our age.

genetic GENOCIDE as your alleles are diluted by your very resources that could have gone into your progeny

But isn’t that true of any tax program that directly or indirectly benefits other people’s children? Which is to say, practically all of them. I bet he’d like to defund the schools, too.

All that concern about allocating their resources to their progeny sure dries up quickly when it comes to child support payments, though.

If you don’t get what you like, like what you get.

Which in his case is a few sockpuppet tradwife followers, and his right hand.

He doesn’t seem to be taking his own advice, though.

Naglfar
Naglfar
10 months ago

@Victorious Parasol
Don’t give them any ideas, I feel like they’d assume it’s a manual.

@Buttercup

I bet he’d like to defund the schools, too.

I’m sure he would. Just because he didn’t learn anything doesn’t mean that other people should suffer.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
10 months ago

It’s pretty telling that his infographic shows younger ages of consent in green and the highest one in red, as though to say, Don’t go here, guys, you’ll get arrested for statutory rape if you do!

LollyPop
LollyPop
10 months ago

@Ohlmann Ah yes, I forgot about that. Of course, the only logical way to do relationships in the incel mind is to pair off 14 years old girls through a government program to their 35 year old male looksmatch. What a beautiful picture they paint of the incel utopia.

Mind you, going by the redpill sexual market place scoring system I saw the other day – where people like Sarah Michelle Gellar and Liv Tyler came in at a generous 5/10 – every middle aged schlub is entitled to at least a catalogue model in this system, so maybe that’s what appeals to them.

Naglfar
Naglfar
10 months ago

@PoM
The chart also in fine print explains various exceptions which seem to be warnings for potential sex tourists. It’s also rather problematic IMO that in Hungary it is legal for 17 year olds to have sex with 12 year olds, or that in so many countries the age of consent is 14.

Horrifyingly, there are countries where the age of consent is less than any in Europe. For example, in Yemen the age of consent for girls is 9
(there is no minimum age for marriage but supposedly sex is banned until age 9). In the Maldives the age for girls is also 9 while that for boys is 18. However, it seems few manospherians will be going on sex tourism there because in both of those countries sex outside of marriage is banned.

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
10 months ago

The infographic mentions “close in age” exceptions for a few European countries, but I’d think they’re much more common than that. Finland certainly does have one.

Then again, the matter at hand is clearly about adult men pining after teen girls.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
10 months ago

@ lumipuna

“close in age” exceptions

Those are often referred to as “Romeo and Juliet” laws.

And we all know how well that relationship turned out.

Dalillama
Dalillama
10 months ago

@LindsayIrene

Given that the dollar amount of wage theft in the US is higher than that of burglaries and robberies combined, and that it’s corporations like WalMart that engage in it, I’m going to go out on a limb and say that low-wage workers probably experience a higher amount of theft in proportion to their assets than anyone else.

Theft by the police (“civil forfeiture”) also exceeds illegal theft every year.

Masse_Mysteria
Masse_Mysteria
10 months ago

Ah yes, evolution, in it’s infinite wisdom, has decreed that women will go after men who are fittest, physically speaking, in order to have their offspring also be fit, while men will go after children, who are either too young to have children or not mentally ready to be parents, so that their offspring can, you know… wait, how was this supposed to work? It wasn’t? Ok, cool.

@Naglfar

Wait, so are women sexual or not?

I think you’ll find women’s sexuality to be proportionate to their proximity to Brad Pitt, actually.

Naglfar
Naglfar
10 months ago

@Masse_mysteria

evolution, in it’s infinite wisdom, has decreed that women will go after men who are fittest, physically speaking

One moment while I tell the incels that it’s just natural selection and that it’s natural for them to be incels because their genes are selected against. I’m sure with their rational understanding of science they will be very understanding.

All joking aside, I do find it interesting how incels are simultaneously convinced that they are subhuman but also deserve a teen supermodel virgin girlfriend to procreate with. It’s sort of an inversion of the fascist propaganda tactic of depicting that your enemy is both all powerful and weak at once.

I think you’ll find women’s sexuality to be proportionate to their proximity to Brad Pitt, actually.

Is there an app or something that will tell me where he is? I need to know if I should feel sexual now. /s

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
10 months ago

@Alan Robertshaw : that being said, Romeo and Juliet is a love story that have gone bad because of the interventions of older, intolerant people. It might have gone bad too without the house rivalry, but probably not “mutual suicide” bad.

I dislike the focus in law on age of consent, because what matter is if it is consensual, and age of consent is more a guideline to help judge and to make people realize they are being a manipulative asshole. While it’s pretty rare for a legitimate relation to trigger age of consent law, it *is* common for problematic relations to not trigger it. More than “the law authorize a 17-12 relation”, what I want to know is if judges will regulary condemn manipulative bastards taking advantage of people of any age and if they will spare people whose age is like 1 month above the threshold but aren’t abusive.

It’s one of thoses areas where people focus on numbers because it’s easy, but where numbers aren’t that important.

Talonknife
Talonknife
10 months ago

@Naglfar

Umm…I don’t see many babies with secondary sex characteristics.

Now I’m just imagining a newborn baby but with like a full-size biker beard. Kind of a Benjamin Button situation.

Dalillama
Dalillama
10 months ago

@Talonknife
“Well, it’s many a day I’ve traveled, a hundred miles or more
But a baby boy with his whiskers on, sure, I never saw before”

Shadowplay
10 months ago

Lanugo, it’s called.

All our kids were born with it, instead of it shedding at birth like normal – that runs in my family.

The boy had a particularly fine crop of chest hair, and a fair mustache on him for the first 6 weeks. 🙂

QuantumInc
QuantumInc
10 months ago

This guy has examples of almost every of the most absurd incel beliefs. While I prefer to try to understand why people believe what they believe, with Incels and other groups seen on this blog the better explanation is Virtue Signalling. We could hold a debate around age of consent laws and whether copying the standards found in Europe is a good idea; however at some point he realized that a non-incel could make a similar argument. Thus he came out with a completely different argument that almost no one besides an Incel (or MGTOW or alt-right) would make. They resent women, so any appeal to misogyny works for them.

There was a study by social scientists where they showed Trump supporters pictures of the crowds from Obama’s and Trump’s inaugurations, and a lot of Trump supporters said Trump’s was larger even though it clearly wasn’t. It is tempting to say that they are dumb or crazy but really it is about priorities. Expressing their loyalty is more important than expressing the truth. If anything the alt-right takes that to an even further extreme.

While it is fun to look at the ridiculous things they say, it comes with the feeling of losing faith in humanity. Though it retrospect maybe I shouldn’t be surprised at that. Might need to take a break from the Mammoth.

Note, I believe that “Virtue Signalling” is a universal human tendency, and I think the phrase originally came from sociologists. Of course the anti-SJW crowd picked it up as another way to de-legitimize SJWs. I don’t think they have any actual counterarguments against what SJWs/progressives actually say, so things that allow them to claim SJWs are somehow really believe their own words becomes the center of their rhetoric. If you think about it most accusations of Virtue Signalling are themselves examples of virtue signalling.

Naglfar
Naglfar
10 months ago

@QuantumInc

with Incels and other groups seen on this blog the better explanation is Virtue Signalling

Indeed, whenever conservatives accuse anyone of anything, they are usually telling on themselves. They accuse us of virtue signaling because that is what they do nonstop.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
10 months ago

@ Olhmann

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Ohlmann
Ohlmann
10 months ago

@Alan Robertshaw : isn’t Romeo and Juliet a realistic vision of teenagers in love ? :p

Moggie
Moggie
10 months ago

@Ohlmann, yes, and teenagers in general. I remember being a teenager, and having to draw my sword every time someone bit his thumb at me.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
10 months ago

@ Moggie

Heh, I was just about to do a “sword fights were the bane of our school discos” post! 😀

Snowberry
Snowberry
10 months ago

Juliet is explicitly stated in the play to be *almost* 13… unless that’s supposed to be a metaphor for her maturity level or something, which is not an interpretation I’ve ever heard. That’s not quite a teenager. Romeo’s age is not stated; given that he carries a sword and is proficient in its use, he’s probably older, but how much older is open to debate, as it’s not clear what Shakespeare intended. Likely anywhere from 14 to early twenties. Regardless, both of them have about the same maturity level and are ill-suited for an actual relationship, regardless of the adults around them making things worse.

The whole “Romeo and Juliet laws” phrase is based around the idea that the two of them were something like 15-17. Which is probably in part because we often see teenagers about that age playing the roles. But that’s not entirely true to the source material.