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“Everyone who called the cops ‘murderers’ has blood on their hands,” and other bon mots from Stefan Molyneux, MA

Mr Molyneux, saying something racist, probably

By David Futrelle

The protests over the police murder of George Floyd have gotten YouTube “philsopher” Stefan Molyneux all excited, in part because they have given him a fresh excuse to indulge in one of his favorite hobbies, racism.

Actually, that’s a little unfair to Mr Molyneux; racism is a huge part of the “philosophy” he spews on YouTube and Twitter, and thus his racism is something more than a hobby; it’s his bread and butter, part of how he makes his living.

In any case, let’s get on to the protests, which Molyneux sees as fundamentally illegitimate. First off, he’s not convinced that there even was a murder at the hands of the police, but rather a death due to preexsisting conditions that just happened to coincide with a police officer pressing his knee down hard on Floyd’s neck for eight minutes.

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1266485841293193217

As Molyneux sees it, the protests are all Soros-funded communist plots first hatched long before Soros was even born:

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1266377452009295872

Oh, and also they’re the fault of barbaric Somali immigrants.

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1266207245857062913

And possibly some college professors as well:

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1266731692691197953

Public schools are also somehow to blame:

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1267077274224013312

And welfare, let’s not forget the insidious evil behind programs designed to keep poor children from starving to death:

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1266753633531703302
https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1267099043701968897

He also tsk-tsks black protesters for allegedly playing into stereotypes by burning down a Wendy’s. (I’m not exactly sure what stereotypes he’s talking about — the stereotype of there being Wendy’s franchises in black neighborhoods?)

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1266029177158991872

But don’t worry! Despite all of his posting about the protests, Mr Molyneux has managed to find time to post about the most important subject of all — that is, of course, Stefan Molyneux, MA.

https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1266841416447205376
https://twitter.com/StefanMolyneux/status/1266890639356112897

It’s good to know that even in the midst of a dramatic crisis that Mr Molyneux can keep his eyes on the prize, himself.

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Specialffrog
Specialffrog
3 months ago

Not that any of Molyneux’s arguments relate to actual evidence but this is worth a read: https://www.vox.com/2015/6/21/8820537/black-fathers-day

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 months ago

I’ve seen a lot of photos and video of law enforcement handling the protests well in some places, and in other places they dress in riot gear and basically incite the riot. In my hometown the cops are mostly armed with pepper balls which they fire at news crews, and with which they were firing into moving and stopped vehicles last night. Some people trying to get home from work were shot with pepper balls in the temple for no reason at all. The police are completely out of control here and the mayor’s office is sitting on its hands.

If you prep for a riot and treat all protesters and innocent bystanders as though they are rioting, then don’t be all surprised-pikachu when a riot happens.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 months ago

@Alan Robertshaw : that’s evil. That’s also scoobidoo-level of evil.

The Trump administration make me wonder. Most evil men and women I had since until now thought they were good, and they rarely if ever paraded how evil they were. For example, WWII collaborators I have talked with justified themselves by painting the jews they ratted out as bad men and themselves as in a pinch and/or with need of favors from the germans.

But the trump administration seem to have as a byline “we will put showing off how evil we are before everything”. To the point their will to show off get in the way of actually acting evil.

Anonymous
Anonymous
3 months ago

@Leliel

Pardon my cynicism, but his record hardly says “New Deal President”. For all we know, it’s just more empty promises that will be forgotten if he gets elected. Yes, people’s political views do change but it’s awfully convenient that they change to whatever’s most likely to get the approval of the voters.

Meeting with the protestors is a good sign, of course. But it’s merely a first step if he wants to restore his reputation.

Leliel
Leliel
3 months ago

@Ohlmann

I still believe that they still think they’re good…but their idea of “good” is wrapped up in being “macho.” Which is to say, it’s Trump surrounding himself with people he understands, which is to say people who see things in terms of “winner” or “loser” and are scared shitless of losing.

Persona 5 did something very smart with the main antagonist, Masayoshi Shido (a Trumpian parody of conservative Prime Minister and notorious nationalist Shinzo Abe). His Shadow (essentially his dark side) looks almost exactly like him until he gets his battle armor on (most Shadows generally dress in crazier outfits), because to him, all of his vices are really virtues, and he simultaneously believes that he is saving Japan while letting the vast majority of it rot. Trump is not at all dissimilar.

@ Anonymous

For all we know, your cynicism is scientifically counter to reality.

I’m not joking. Political science has proven that once in office, the average politician tries to implement 70% of their promises (or something like that; I forget the exact numbers, but it’s big) and the rest can be chalked up to opposition a lot of the time.

“Politicians make up their positions” is, like most nuggets of popular wisdom, bunk.

Elizabeth
Elizabeth
3 months ago

I only remember who Molyneux is when I see a post here. I then think, “Oh, it’s one of the guys we talk about on this site”. Because knowledge of his existence literally evaporates out of my head the moment I leave this website.
Ass.

Naglfar
Naglfar
3 months ago

@Alan Robertshaw
The solicitor general’s claim is factually wrong and goes against every declaration the Nazis made, such as the removal of German citizenship of Jews prior to that year. But somehow I’m not surprised that the Trump administration favors Nazis. I’m almost surprised Trump hasn’t said that there were “fine people on both sides” of WWII.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 months ago

@ naglfar

The solicitor general’s claim is factually wrong and goes against every declaration the Nazis made, such as the removal of German citizenship of Jews prior to that year

Indeed. That is mentioned in the article. Apart from the moral aspects of the case; the Solicitor-General is trying to throw 70 years of precedent out of the window.

even though, of course, the U.S. government has acknowledged in every relevant context since the early 1940s that Jews ceased to be full members of German society on the day Hitler assumed power: January 30, 1933.

Lukas Xavier
Lukas Xavier
3 months ago

If there’s any confusion about where the black fathers have gone, you could always ask George Floyd’s six year old daughter. Maybe she has some ideas?

rick
rick
3 months ago

For all their small government bluster those ancaps sure do a lot of pro cop preaching. Not incoherent at all (or an argument for that matter).

Moggie
Moggie
3 months ago

@rick, those boots won’t lick themselves, you know.

moregeekthan
moregeekthan
3 months ago

@Ohlmann

The term I have heard used is “performative cruelty.” Probably here, though I have seen it elsewhere, too. Trump is to incompetent to actually accomplish anything, but he can at least please his followers by being pubically cruel to folks they don’t like. He assumes (likely accurately) that many of his supporters don’t like Jews, so he makes an effort to be seen hurting them. It doesn’t even have to be effective, he just needs to signal intent.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 months ago

Meanwhile, Trump is busy telling governors that they have to “dominate” protesters, revealing … not much of anything because we already knew he was like this.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/unhinged-trump-demands-mass-arrests-flag-burning-laws

Also featured: his weird obsession with flag burning.

Naglfar
Naglfar
3 months ago

@moregeekthan
Oddly, he’s also done a lot of the inverse and pretended to like Jews by doing things most Jews don’t want but that evangelicals do (and that evangelicals think Jews will like). He frames this as being pro-Jewish, but less than 20% of Jews support him, so it seems to be only evangelicals that believe him. Most Jews see right through this because he is a very obvious antisemite.

@PoM
The flag burning obsession has been a thing for a while, when he was running in 2016 he declared that flag burning should cause loss of citizenship.

Moggie
Moggie
3 months ago

If burning the flag is seditious enough to be a crime, shouldn’t is also be a crime to display a Confederate flag? Or how about the Cincinnati police flying the “thin blue line” flag?

If you’re going ultra-nationalistic, do it right! In fact, do it like the DPRK: the leader personifies the nation, and every home must have an approved picture of the leader on the wall. Not displaying the picture, or allowing it to be damaged, is a crime.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 months ago

I’m thinking about going and buying a flag now and burning it, just out of general principles. Not because I have anything political to say at this moment by the act, but just to piss off the people who would be pissed off by it.

Anonymous
Anonymous
3 months ago

@Leliel

We will see, but at the end of the day as long as he’s not Trump it won’t be a complete disaster…I hope.

Also, where did you get that statistic from? I’ve never heard of it before.

Moggie
Moggie
3 months ago

How about making your pfp a burning flag?

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
3 months ago

@Moggie

I like my kitty as my pic, but maybe I’ll change it on Facebook just to annoy my racist uncle.

numerobis
numerobis
3 months ago

It’s clear that Trump’s years-long campaign to demonize the media is working.

The police are straight up shooting at camera rolling live. They want people to see that they’re not afraid of shooting at the media.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
3 months ago

The article of PoM illustrate the hypothesis of Leliel. It still baffle me, but Trump is directly saying to people to act like cartoon villains to prove a point.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 months ago

@ POM

Re: flag burning

You might find this amusing. Brexit demonstration tried to burn EU flag. Turns out they’re flameproof; because of EU regulations.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 months ago

And another example; with cool music!

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
3 months ago

@Alan Robertshaw, Naglfar:
With regards to the anti-reclamation pronouncement… what do you want to bet somebody whose power and money Trump would like on his side has a cache of stolen art that they’re annoyed they can’t show off and so helped push for this?

We already know the people running Hobby Lobby were trafficking in stolen antiquities.

Basically, Trump is cartoonishly evil, but that just makes him the perfect public face for the people behind the scenes who really do want to do the things they know won’t be approved of.

@Policy of Madness, Naglfar:
And, as others have previously pointed out, the law in the U.S. is that burning the flag is the proper way to dispose of a flag that is too damaged to use.

The people staging flag burnings are thus just dealing with the more metaphorical damage.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 months ago

@ jenora

burning the flag is the proper way to dispose of a flag that is too damaged to use.

Yeah, the group in the US that burns the most American flags is the Boy Scouts. They do is as a service for people.

Did you know you can get free flags from the US Govt? They replace the ones on govt buildings almost daily, so you can ask for the old ones.

Link in case you want one: https://www.aoc.gov/flags

Probably best if you don’t say it’s for burning.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
3 months ago

https://youtu.be/KqSlpPpledw?t=411

Trump trying to declare war on all antifa

Naglfar
Naglfar
3 months ago

@Alan Robertshaw
Can you get state flags that way?

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
3 months ago

@ naglfar

I’m afraid I don’t know. I had to read up a bit on flags when I was looking at doing the US Bar exams; but only the federal one You have to be sworn in under “a flag of the United States”. So I wanted to check the Grand Union Flag would count. It does.

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banned@4chan.org
banned@4chan.org
3 months ago

When Tucker Carlson writes an opinion piece about how the destruction of white property is more of an outrage than the destruction of black lives, isn’t it a logical conclusion to burn buildings?

tim gueguen
3 months ago

Of course it should be noted that Stevie Molyforbrains is posting from the comfort of Canada, which has yet to have mass riots this year. Meanwhile the death of Regis Korchinsk-Pacquet has increased tensions. She fell from her 24th story Toronto apartment after her mother asked for the police to check on her. I’m sure whatever it turns out happened to her Stevie will blame her for her death.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/protest-toronto-regis-korchinski-paquet-1.5591745

epitome of incomprehensibility

Apropos of what @tim gueguen said –

I was reading about Korchinski-Paquet today. I thought of the times (twice at least) my parents called the cops because I’d “run away” as a teenager (i.e. taken the bike or gone for a run at night when they thought it was dangerous – they were probably overreacting but I did have behaviour issues.) Anyway, replaying those interactions in my mind, I can’t imagine them ending up with me dead. One time the cop scolded me and called me “crazy” (not nice but not life-threatening either). The other time one of them talked nicely to me, asking me what my career goals were and such. But if I were black or Native…?

Anyway, it’s no (new) news that Canadian cops have a racism problem. There was Fredy Villanueva in Montreal back in ’08, shot and killed by police for apparently resisting arrest (and the cause for arrest was so stupid – they claimed they’d moved in on him and some friends for playing dice in a park, since this was considered gambling, which was against a bylaw).

They were also saying, oh well, but, we suspected his friends were gang members. Which is why you always hear about police shooting and killing white-collar white-skinned criminals…oh wait.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
3 months ago

And elsewhere in Canada… https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-anti-black-racism-1.5593395

Families, Children and Social Development Minister Ahmed Hussen, a Somali-Canadian, said in a tweet Sunday that he has “heard from people who have said that we should not worry about what is happening in the U.S. because that is not our problem.”

But he said racism is “a lived reality for black Canadians,” and he asked other Canadians to “step up” and “raise your voices and ensure that real inclusion accompanies the diversity of our country.”

He said black Canadians are disproportionately followed in stores by shop owners fearing theft, while black drivers have every reason to be anxious when they’re pulled over by a police officer.

“Check the unconscious bias around you and within you,” Hussen said.

That tweet received an angry response from Ed Ammar, a former chairperson of Alberta’s United Conservative Party, who tweeted at Hussen: “Don’t bring this to Canada you f—ing loser.”

Tweeting a video of the destruction in Montreal, Ammar, a Lebanese-Canadian immigrant, said: “Don’t bring what’s happening in the U.S. across the borders.”

Stay classy, Conservatives.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
3 months ago

@Rabid Rabbit:
Wow, Ammar’s response there is just such a pitch-perfect demonstration of exactly what Hussen is talking about, it makes you wonder how he didn’t notice that he basically walked straight to the bullseye and stomped over it a few times. Granted, ‘United Conservative Party’ means he probably has lots of practice in not noticing such things.

Didn’t we have a discussion before about whether or not there was a racism equivalent to Lewis’ Law? (Every discussion about feminism ends up demonstrating the need for feminism.)

Royson James, a (now mostly freelance) columnist for the Toronto Star, writes about the level of racial biases in Canada fairly often. Here’s a bit from his article on the review panel into racism charges for the Peel District School Board, because the entire school district is being investigated for human rights violations:

After hissing and spitting and groaning through the first few pages, it is page 12 that did me in. It reads:

“We met with parents of a biracial student who told us that when they attended a curriculum night at their child’s school, they were each, upon entry, given a pamphlet on school programs: the Black parent was handed a pamphlet on applied programs; the white parent received the pamphlet on academic programs. This situation is cogently illustrative of the institutionalized racism that manifests in the PDSB guidance system.”

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2020/03/22/peel-school-board-report-leaves-readers-devastated-now-its-up-to-the-education-minister-to-fix.html

Pretty much the entire school district has been sidelining black students from the start. Literally, a straight ‘A’ black student was ignored by a guidance counsellor who then finally suggested he take non-academic courses (which wouldn’t get him into University).

While they’re not cops, this both demonstrates exactly how things get set up to make sure the students will run into trouble later by preventing them from getting ahead at the start, and is an example of exactly the same sort of ‘bad apples and their enablers drive out the good ones’ that happens with cops as well.

Naglfar
Naglfar
3 months ago

Well, today the music industry did a blackout and record labels and sites stopped working for a day.

Maybe I should have posted this in the other thread. Oops.

Rabid Rabbit
Rabid Rabbit
3 months ago

There’s a good interview here with Desmond Cole about racism in Canada. I’ll have to track down a copy of his book once the libraries reopen. https://thewalrus.ca/in-conversation-desmond-cole-and-tea-mutonji/