By David Futrelle
Here’s an interesting little exchange on Tumblr between a woman discussing how common it is for creepy older dudes to catcall girls in their early teens and another woman who thinks it’s no big deal. Because it doesn’t involve alligators.
No, really.
Hey, men’s rights lady, sorry you got chased by an alligator. That would indeed suck. You’d think that the experience might have made you more sympathetic to teen girls having to deal with large predators, but I guess not.
Having conversations with you must be a treat.
“Oh, fuck, I just got robbed at gunpoint.”
“YEAH WELL LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT THE TIME I GOT CHASED BY AN ALLIGATOR.”
“A guy just stuck a gun in my face and took my wallet and phone!”
“WAS HE BY ANY CHANCE AN ALLIGATOR?”
As logical fallacies go, this is one of the more inventive ones I’ve seen of late. “What about the time I got chased by an alligator” is a form of whataboutism, I guess, but it really needs a name of its own. Argumentum Ad Alligator, perhaps.
Here’s the most effective rebuttal:
H/T — r/TheBluePill
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@trollvoice
Yes Because some thing that shows how sexual harassment is downplayed and dismissed isn’t worth talking about.
So, I was also literally chased by an alligator as a child. It is now, years later, a funny story. Catcalling and street harassment never turned into a funny story somehow.
@Mansvoice
So, if it isn’t worthy of reading, why are you here? Just stop reading things you think aren’t worth your time. There, I solved your problem.
@Lainy
He says he’s an actuary and claims we’re all unemployed because we post here regularly. Now that he posts regularly, I have even more doubt of his actuary story.
@MansVoice
I see you’ve reached the “argumentum ad fattum” stage of trolling.
@Fabe
of course it is, he doesn’t think any woman. Even if their not a woman, but a girl, deserves respect at all. Because sometimes they find people attractive based on looks and he thinks that makes them worst then hitler so of course if a girl is getting sexually harassed they deserves it because they don’t go for boys that are their looksmatch or something.
@naglfar
He’s half right about that for right now. My dance studio is closed down because of Covid-19 so I’m not teaching ballet right now, But I am working as a waitress for the second job I normally do in the summer when I take less classes. I still work 35 hours right now since it’s only part time and probably twice as hard as the troll has ever worked in his life, if we believe he actually has a job right now and it’s a 15 year old edge lord.
I hit puberty smack dab in the 70s, a time when creeping on children was seen as just good fun. This was a popular ad:
Jokes about jailbait were popular. Nude photos of 10-year-old Brook Shields were published in Playboy, and she also was featured as a prostitute (with nudity) in a major motion picture when she was twelve. Kids were forced into suggestive banter on TV. In the community I grew up in, sexual abuse was rampant. The goddamn sheriff was doing it, even.
There was a whole lot more going on than catcalling. The catcalling was still bad. Having grown men yell at you while you’re walking alone is terrifying–especially when you already know from experience that it won’t necessarily stop at yelling.
@MansVoice
You should consider shutting the fuck up until you have something to actually say. I’m a dumbass, frankly, and I can tell you’re no smarter than I am.
I’ve never had to run from a gator, but I was attacked bloody by my pet bantam rooster when I was 6, to the point that I asked my father to kill it. We ate that murderous micro-dino.
Yes, I admit, things are slow at the office. (Or rather, the living room, since I’m working from home.)
But here’s an interesting thing. @Naglfar and Lainy – why would you doubt my claim to be an actuary? It’s not some extraordinarily high-status profession, you know. It’s just a white-collar job, though I flatter myself that I’m pretty good at it.
Could it be that even just the idea of having a normal, average, professional job seems superhuman to you? Like I’m bragging about… going to work? Frankly, I think that says more about you than me.
Grar how long does it take for an edit to show up
Nevermind, it’s there.
Anhoo, MansVoice, you’re the one who seems to think you’re special for having a job just like everyone else.
I think you waaaaay overestimate how much any of us think about you at all. Unless you’re actively shitting on yourself in a thread, I doubt you cross anyone’s mind.
@Lainy
To be clear, I don’t mean to shame anyone who is unemployed or underemployed because of COVID, I was just noting his prior argument and how it relates to his behavior. Sorry if what I said was offensive.
@LindsayIrene
The worst 1970s example of eroticization of prepubescent girls that I can think of is the original cover of the 1976 Scorpions album Virgin Killer (which I will not link, also TW for the rest of the paragraph), which was removed from reissues and banned as child porn in some countries because it has a nude 10-year-old with a shattered glass effect on her genitals.
@MansVoice
I’m doubting you because when you first came here, you talked about how you wouldn’t come back because you were too busy. Now you’re back. Could it be either a) it’s possible to both post and have a job or b) you’re changing the facts a bit? Either way you’ve contradicted yourself.
@mansvoice
Because your super defensive about the job, kind of like when a guy screams “it’s not small!” when someone says his dick is tiny. You just don’t hide it well at all. You do brag like it’s some big accomplishment which leads me to believe you don’t actually do anything. You live a meaningless life so lonely that even negative attention is good for you because at least someone is talking to you. It’s really quite sad and its pathetic. But I get it, a really pretty 21 year old is talking down to you and you just can’t have that. You a manly man and you have to prove that it isn’t small.
Now Answer the question. Is my husband my looksmatch or not, I’ve asked you many time and you ignore me. I’m 5’1 I weigh 100 pounds, I have a dancers body, and some big tits. Red long hair, a few freckles and pale white skin. I wear glasses and my husband says that sometimes it’s like he made me in a lab because I’m so perfect for him and he’s so attracted to me. I’ve given you his description many times and I want to know if he’s my looksmatch and if so how am I possibly attracted to him?
@Lainy
Definitionally he’s not your looksmatch, since you are definitionally “hypergamous” in that stupid way that manosphereans use the term, and are attracted to men out of your league, therefore, by definition, he is out of your league.
QED! Mindkilled!
@MansChatter
It’s probably because you come off as a teenage edgelord. Lots of people have jobs (myself included.) They just don’t shoehorn that fact into every conversation. They’re doubting your story because it seems doubtful. Just FYI there, buddy.
I’m sure I have some citronella candles around here somewhere.
@naglfar
you did no such thing. you’re fine. I’m not unemployed. just working below my skill level right now but hey it happens. When this clears up classes will start again and I’ll get to see my students. I miss them so much. I actually did a zoom class for them one time because I missed them so much. One of my girls lost three teeth since this all started! and their here three front ones, it’s the cutest damn thing. She’s talking with a whisp now and kind sounds like daffy duck. it’s making my uterus go into hyper drive. I really want my husband to be home and for us to have a baby. And so many of them drew me pictures of us dancing together because they miss me too. It’s breaking my heart.
some of the older ones have missed out on auditions they worked really hard to prepare for. I know none of this is important for the grand scheme of keeping others safe but it really sucks. Seeing disappointed and heart broken children is the worst.
Stupid double post
@Lainy
You’re reminding me of my days as a young ballet student. I never was very good, but I loved my teacher as a second mother-figure.
@Lainy –
Interesting. I have to say I wasn’t intending to brag about my job so much as mock the rest of you for not having a job. I do see, however, how that could have been unclear.
I couldn’t possibly comment on your looks vis-a-vis your husband, because I’ve never seen either of you. But then, it’s transparently obvious this is just an excuse for you to brag about how hot (you think) you are, so with that accomplished I think we can just move on.
@Mansvoice
I didn’t say anything about mocking for not having a job. That was another poster. Are you so dim you can’t tell us apart.
I didn’t say anything about mocking for not having a job. That was another poster. Are you so dim you can’t tell us apart.
Read for comprehension, please. Also, it shouldn’t be too much to ask you to check your comments for dropped works and mangled syntax.
And also nice deflection. I know you don’t have any answers because your afraid to. It shouldn’t be that hard for you to say “no he isn’t” because you said no woman ever goes for their looksmatch. Oh well, your a lair what can I said. and yes I think I’m very hot. The many men and women who want to sleep with me gives me that tell and my husband almost animalistic attraction to me helps me with that as well. It helps a lot when hot people want to sleep with you and you sleep with hot people. My husband is definitely the hottest among them. Shouldn’t you be at important job oh so important manly man? or should I say 15 year old brat. Don’t worry, hopefully one day you’ll grow out of it but I don’t think we’re that lucky since you’ve join the cult of mras and all.
@Naglfar
I’ve long assumed that the Scorpions were the inspiration for the album cover bit in This Is Spinal Tap because they’ve had some weird damn covers, but somehow I didn’t know about the child porn example. Yikes.
Well I am dyslexics so you get what you get mr. smart man. And really I don’t owe you anything. I’ll comment the way I want to comment because this isn’t an academic paper. I’m sorry that a 21 year old being hot and having a lot sex is distressing to you. and that you can’t force me to be with anyone that I don’t think is worthy of me but that’s your beef buddy, not mine.
Lol.
Buuuuuuuut most of us have jobs so…