By David Futrelle
Incels are truly dedicated to plumbing the depths of misogyny. Here’s an impressive rant from an incel who thinks it’s wrong to treat women as objects — because, in his mind, they’re worse than objects.
“[W]omen are less than objects,” wrote GameDevCel in a post on Incels.co last year.
“[A]n object can hurt nobody, a object is neutral,” he explained.
a foids is not, a foid is a natural traitor, they will betray their country and race without thinking twice about it, they will literally fuck the men who killed her father and brothers, foids have no loyalty and their brains are literally geared to gather pleasure only, they do not feel guilty or empathy towards a non chad male.
He’s off to a running start here.
just look at normie foids, they will get enrage by what we say around here, meanwhile men are being destroyed on the divorce court, losing the guard of the children, being made to pay stupid amounts of taxes, alimony, and child support to their ex wifes that will be transferred to her through welfare, and having the houses they own being transferred to her and forced to still pay mortgage, and he will be arrested if he don’t pay, he is literally slave for the foid, and normies think this shit is normal.
Men who want full custody more often than not can get it, and then their ex-wives have to pay child support.
they think it’s normal children being raised by single muns dependent on welfare, [despite] children of single muns being much more likely to commit crimes, uses drugs and be fat,
Being fat is somehow a crime against men?
and foids would kill their own unborn children because they don’t want to be 9 months without chad cocks, and normies will support all this crap.
Er, dude, it’s possible to have sex with someone who’s pregnant. And I’m pretty sure women who get abortions aren’t doing it for sex but because they know they’re not ready for a child (or another child) in their life. Thus avoiding that whole single mother thing you were yelling about not two minutes ago.
if given the power foids will literally destroy society ins less than a couple hundred of years, just look at europe and japan with dogshity fertility rates, and the first is being over by immigrants, population aging, THEY ARE DYING, ALL BECAUSE ROASTIES DON’T GIVE A SHIT.
Amping up the racism, I see.
they keep voting democrat, despise their poliecies not being sustainable, and wasting money we don’t have, they only want man’s money NOW, don’t care about long term consequences that the future generations will be debt slaves.
Er, the Republicans are the ones giving trillion dollar tax cuts to people who don’t need them.
foids want complete freedom from all their societal obligations of having and taking care of children, meanwhile men are going to be arrested for not paying alimony/child support/taxes, that all goes to foids, men are literally slaves while foids have unlimited freedom.
Women aren’t obligated to have children. And supporting your children is not slavery.
the only reason this near useless shits are still around is because men have hormones in their head, that force them to love these despicable creatures, despise their heinous nature,
Those devious but oh-so-sexy monsters!
aside of giving birth 99% of them are useless, as soon you say that they will start citing a list of female inventors or some bullshit, but in the moment you start saying male inventors you will hear “oh, you are just a loser inkel, you can’t take credit for what other men invented”, the hypocrisy is staggering they know it, but they don’t care.
It must be such a joy to have discussions with this fascinating fellow.
a object, children or animal isn’t capable of any of these, they are mostly neutral, but foids seems to choose the path that will cause most damage to their country just for the sake of a dopamine rush.
To be fair, some animals seem to get a dopamine rush from doing damage. Cats, for example.
i feel like we are a bunch of people on the titanic screaming about a gigantic iceberg, meanwhile all normies don’t care and just want to drink and party all night, all this societal self destruction is scary.
Nah. What’s scary is a subculture of young men cultivating their own bitterness and hatred towards women and society at large and sometimes actually going out and shooting a bunch of people, like one of you fuckers did just last week.
An Incel.co regular called FrameCell responded to GaveDevCel’s rant with a hearty “AMEN.” And then added some shit about dogs, and demons.
They’d rather fuck dogs than to talk to us, date us, or get to know us.
It’s just so weird that this has become a consensus belief amongst incels
I’m convinced demon entities have control over all foids.
I mean COME ON, if these entities existed.. they’d go for the weakest link in the human race aka dumb “foids”.
They’ve been weaponized against us to make us feel depressed, anxiety, lifeless, worthless, valueless, suicidal, left out, uglier than we really are… and the list goes on.
FOIDS are literally the SOURCE of 90% of why depression ensues..
Other incels are literally the SOURCE of why you believe crap like this. Women are lower than objects? They fuck dogs and are possessed by demons? This is kind of thinking you get in a cult, or a folie a deux.
The only way to stop this kind of thinking is to get out of the poisonous ideological circlejerk that is the incel community online — and to start taking in input from the real world once again. Until then, you’re the ones who will look to the rest of us like men possessed — not by demons, but by delusions.
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@ kindasortaharmless
That was very much the situation in the working class North when I grew up. It was almost a cliche; and a major feature in comedy and drama. Everything from Les Dawson to Alan Bennett.
It’s not that women are objects, it’s that incels are antimatter. Just look at the way they’re constantly exploding whenever they come into contact with anything.
@Buttercup, are you suggesting that incels are created by high-energy interactions between Chadons and Stacyons?
I’m going to say this is relevant because it’s all about treatment of things just because they’re ‘objects’. Something like that. Who cares; I’m just so angry right now.
We have some FDOTM fans here. Like the Onion sometimes it’s the only place to get real news these days.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/27/a-sacred-site-showing-46000-years-of-continual-occupation-and-its-completely-legal-to-blow-it-up
Executive summary: the Australian Government has given final approval for the destruction of one of the world’s most important cultural (and archeological) sites. Because a mining company needs to expand their site or something.
You know, when the Taliban or ISIS do this it’s a war crime.
I expect that it’s the same place they expect women to get money to meet their basic needs, when they consider women to be unqualified to participate in the workforce, but also that women who meet their monetary needs by being supported by a husband or welfare are worthless leeches.
I expect that the answer is “women (and children) should be constantly at the financial mercy of a man, and not have any kind of safety net available to them in the form of a career, child support, alimony, divorce asset division, or welfare”. The man should have the power of literal life and death, and the ability to cut them off with no consequences at the slightest whim.
@sunnysombrera
I remember one troll we had who was asked these exact questions, and he said something along the lines of, “Sure, I love* my kids, but why would I pay to feed and clothe them if I’m not seeing them all the time? What do I get out of it?” The continued health and happiness of his children evidently did not qualify.
*I can’t remember if he claimed to have kids or if he was speaking hypothetically
Warning: this gets a little personal, and long.
Ah this. This one I know, and many others with me are familiar with this as well, for many different reasons.
Me and Mr Gatecrasher have been trying to have a child for almost three years now. But it doesn’t look like it will happen. So not only have I felt many times like described above (the entire list actually), I am also one of those non-birthing women referred to by Mr GameDevCel. I wonder whether infertility is an excuse? When I try to talk to my friends and family, who are otherwise sensible people, it doesn’t seem to be. All the stories of infertile couples in newspapers, TV etc always ends with a baby, so people think that if you can’t have a baby, there are loads of easy ways to fix it. They also think that you should fix it.
I want my friends and family to say that they love me, care about me and appreciate me as a friend regardless of whether I produce a child or not. But they start to tell me about miracle babies and push me to do invasive treatments. Most of this is well-meant; they think my sadness is because of a lack of a child, and if I get the child, all will be well. But it is not that easy.
You see, this is not about the baby. At this point it is about my value as a human being.
I inhabit the body that doesn’t get pregnant. Each month my period comes. Before, each time it was like life itself was bleeding out of me. I was bleeding to death. As this went on, month after month, bleeding and bleeding, my longing for a child waned away. I guess it just hurt to much. The dream was too costly to maintain.
But also, I discovered that I didn’t have to have a baby. I am sad of course because of the loss of a future I had been looking forward to, but what’s most important to me will still be there in a future without children.
And when I took a closer look at my emotions, I got so angry. Because most of them are not sorrow. They are feelings of guilt (how can I prioritize my own and Mr Gatecrasher’s well-being over the production of children?), shame (have you heard about Gatecrasher? She’s sterile you know!) and loss of self (Am I even a woman if I can’t birth children?). And this is just… haha…
It’s misogyny.
I am the angriest feminist on the street and I feel worthless because I can’t birth a child to my family and society! Can you imagine.
With better understanding of my emotions, I have started to reclaim my self-worth and my life. People say many mean things to people who don’t have children, and these types of comments are easier to handle if you are stronger in yourself. I am not there yet, but I think I will.
I am also very afraid that I will grow to be bitter and resentful against people who are able to have children. I don’t want to become that kind of person, not if I can help it. My best friend had a baby a few months ago and I was so scared that I would lose my friend. But when I have been there visiting her and her baby, this far, it feels ok! When I hold her baby, I don’t feel like my loss is slapped in my face. I feel like I have gotten a new friend! Me and my friend are very close and have known each other for a long time. She said I that could be Aunt Gatecrasher. I’d love that.
TL,DR: hate cults provide no healing or solace when your life goes to shit. There are better ways, and there is hope even if your life took a turn in the wrong direction. The marvelous thing about hope is that it can be redirected.
@Alan: So glad I’m not the only one who noticed that fact. I never thought I’d find myself thinking “You know, at least when the Taliban destroyed the Buddha statues, they had a genuine, thought-out ideological motive for doing so.”
As for
I suspect this “lovely” person is working from a Conan-the-Barbarian worldview, where savage hordes descend to slaughter all the men and rape all the women, except of course the women actually like it because there’s no such thing as rape and the sheer manliness of murderous barbarians really turns them on.
ETA: @Gatecrasher, much sympathy. I can only imagine what that’s like. As a straight cis male I mostly avoid that issue, but at least people will generally accept it when I tell them that I have no intention of fathering children because I’m aware I’d be a terrible father.
@ rabid rabbit
Totally get that. At the risk of trivialising I’m reminded of the line in Doctor Who where Doc9 says that a Dalek will kill everyone in a nearby city.
“But why?”
“Because it honestly believes they deserve to die.”
This is of course the good old fashion profit motive; but it’s infuriating. We’re not short of iron ore; but that site is irreplaceable.
It especially resonates right now because only yesterday I was discussing something related. About cultural property and the problems of restitution and recovery. My point was if you asked “Who owns Uluru?” the Australian government would answer “the local Pitjantjatjara Aborigines” but the aborigines themselves would say “Huh? No-one, stop being daft”.
And that’s the problem here. But of course that goes back all the way to Australia being deemed Terra Nulius as far as the invaders were concerned.
Argh, sorry, rambling. But I just can’t believe 46,000 years of human culture ends here, with a fucking bulldozer.
@Gatecrasher, I’m sorry people can be so clueless and cruel.
I don’t know if there will ever be a point in your life where thoughtless people stop asking you if you have children or why you don’t. For anyone who matters, though, your life will speak for itself — the good you do, the people you love, the fun you have.
And I don’t know if it is any help or consolation to know that those of us who have children (and love them!) also think about what might have been, and we’re not imagining a cold and depressing life when we do!
Finally, not that you would do it in a calculating way, but developing a relationship with your friend’s baby is definitely the way to keep your friendship with her in tact. Because her life is going to shift in ways she can’t predict or control, and it is very hard not to go into the baby cave and get cut off from old friends. I am so grateful to my friend (who happens to have no children of her own) who came with me into the cave and became a positive influence on my child. Their friendship is really special and a source of joy to both of them. And I really needed her support as a new mom. You’re a good friend and a good person, Gatecrasher.
Well fuck. Another “What the HELL is wrong with you!?” moment. Wouldn’t be surprised if those dudes had an aura that automatically repelled women. Also, nice to see they still don’t see any inherent contradiction between “we shouldn’t have to provide for our offspring if we don’t want to” and “low birthrates and abortion bad” and “but single moms’ kids get to be poor and fat and criminals!” (Gotta admit that I am fat…). Let’s hope that they either never, ever get to be with a woman (seriously if you consider someone lower than an OBJECT you probably won’t mind hitting them either) or get out of their horrid, horrid mindset before they do (unlikely but it happens).
@Gatecrasher: I have a cousin and his partner in a similar predicament. Best wishes for the future, whatever it may hold.
@Alan: Welp, that just made me lose yet another chunk of my faith in humanity. Don’t think I have many of these left. Seriously, 46 000 years of history!? Also, goes to show that Aussies still have a loooonng way to go on the road to eliminating racism*. Can anyone imagine somebody giving the go-ahead to bulldoze Lascaux? No you can’t, because Lascaux in France and therefore part of White/European heritage (nevermind that the ethnicity of the Lascaux painters is unknown to be in any way related to any modern ethnic group) and therefore Better(tm). (/S)
*No, they’re not alone in this. No, “see, others are racist too/worse than us!” is still not a valid excuse.
I’ve gone to movie theaters that did less projecting than your typical incel.
I’m honestly surprised Macron hasn’t done it already.
@alan: Yup, pretty good comparison. At least with the Daleks and the Taliban, you can sit back and go “OK, they genuinely believe this, we’re not going to be able to argue them out of it.” These people it SHOULD have been possible to argue with. Hell, in theory you could have paid them off. But noooo…
First Dog on the Moon is, as ever, quite a propos: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/27/a-sacred-site-showing-46000-years-of-continual-occupation-and-its-completely-legal-to-blow-it-up
@Paireon : while the racism angle is true, we almost destroyed Lascaux, and I think we destroyed at least one other grotto. I don’t think the european root would last all that long in front of profits.
Granny Weatherwax: And sin, young man, is when you treat people like things. Including yourself. That’s what sin is.
Mightily Oats: It’s a lot more complicated than that–
Granny: No. It ain’t. When people say things are a lot more complicated than that, they means they’re getting worried that they won’t like the truth. People as things, that’s where it starts.
Oats: Oh, I’m sure there are worse crimes–
Granny: But they starts with thinking about people as things.
@Viscaria
Yesterday a friend made an angry FB post about the anti-mask people and how much harm they are causing to vulnerable people. A conservative FB friend of hers (no idea if he was a relative, coworker, or what) asked that classic conservative question: “Why are you so angry at people whose actions do not affect you personally?”
I responded, resulting in the following exchange:
Me: I don’t know how to explain to you that you should care about other people.
Conservative: What does this hate-filled screed have to do with caring about people?
Me: The anger is born from compassion for the victims of the anti-mask people.
Conservative: Virtue signalling SO HARD.
This is far, far from the first time that I have seen a conservative not only display no concern for anyone but themselves, but to insist that nobody else does either, and any acts of caring are just attempts to make themselves look good.
Over the last few years, I have abandoned any belief that conservatives are not straight-up evil. This was not the result of liberal propaganda. This was the result of trying to understand conservatives by talking with them.
@Allandrel
In addition, the question itself is framed incorrectly. It could very well affect me personally if someone walks around with no mask near me, seeing as the main efficacy of masks is containing particles from infected individuals, not protecting uninfected people.
Translation: Stop caring about other people! Why do you have a heart!?
@Naglfar
The scary thing is that it is not even that. It is “stop pretending that you care about other people, when we all know that nobody in the world gives a crap about anyone but themselves.”
A simple failure of empathy, which I think comes down to a belief in the just world. People who lack empathy typically seem to believe in it very hard. They seem to think that empathy is extending unnecessary sympathy to undeserving people, and they can’t even see a pragmatic motive to extending empathy, because they can’t visualize themselves as ever needing help.
@Policy of Madness
There is a profound moral and practical disconnect between people whose primary concern is “Who needs help?” and people whose primary concern is “Who deserves help?
The disconnect, both moral and practical, is that the first group want to help people, and are asking in order to know where their help can best be given.
The second group does not want to help people, and are asking in order to have an excuse for not giving help.
That these two questions map onto liberals vs. conservatives is not, I think, accidental or unimportant.
The thing about the anti-mask people (at least around here) is that many of them are Christians.
Now, far be it from me to tell people who calls themselves Christians or Muslims or atheists or whatever that they’re doing it wrong, BUT (as soon as anyone starts with “far be it from me” you know that BUT is on the way):
The basic premise of Christianity is 1) that Jesus died to redeem the world, and most Christians I know take that personally, as in, “Jesus died for me,” and 2) that as a Christian, the ideal is to be “Christ-like,” to emulate Christ in one’s life.
So you believe that Jesus literally died so that you could live, and that you should be like Christ, willing to sacrifice yourself for others. But wearing a piece of cloth over your mouth and nose so someone else doesn’t get sick and maybe die is too much for you? Or too “humiliating” for you? (Famous Christian Roosh V actually said that, not remembering, perhaps, that his savior’s passion was, in fact, a spectacle calculated to be humiliating in addition to painful and deadly and that Jesus took it on willingly for others, for him.)
The hypocrisy of this is just infuriating. (Is being angry at hypocrisy also “virtue signaling”?)
Sometimes I think that even though they’ve embraced a worldview that demands a lack of empathy, there’s some part of them somewhere that still does feel it. After all, it’s doubtful that every conservative was just born with the inability to feel empathy. So they have to convince themselves to push down any feeling for others and part of that is convincing themselves that lack of empathy is the norm, that anyone who does feel empathy is lying to serve an agenda.
I don’t say this to convince anyone to give conservatives the benefit of the doubt or try to get people to convert them with kindness or anything. They’re beyond any appeals to humanity at this point. Just speculating on why they’re constantly accusing us of ‘virtue signaling.’
@Allandrel
The divide between the “deserving poor” and the “undeserving poor” has always been between “that could be me” and “that could never be me because I’m too virtuous.” Widows and orphans were often thought of as deserving poor, because they ended up in their situation through a vagary of fate. People who were born poor and have not been able to dig themselves out of that hole are slandered as having bad generational habits that put them into that situation.
I remember a hilarious MSN Money article once that posited that if we all just acted like we were wealthy, then wealth would come to us. It advised that everyone give generously to charity, for instance, because for some reason giving to charity is a wealth-generating activity? And it advised heavy investment in the stock market and other passive income, blind to the idea that you might be in a situation of having to choose between eating and rent, let alone having free cash for the fucking stock market.
You don’t need a mask as god will protect you from the coronavirus; however for home security you need an AR-15. As deities go that’s pretty fickle.
@WWTH
This seems to also be what is behind their vehement opposition to anything they deem “feelings” (i.e. “facts don’t care about your feelings”). They have to ignore all feelings that aren’t anger or hate in order for the ideology to work.
@PoM
This is basically the idea behind prosperity gospel/seed faith: if you give money as if you were wealthy, God will reward you. It’s even worse, though, because instead of giving money to charity (which is a mixed bag because many charities aren’t good at all), seed faith is promoted by televangelists to give money to them, making them richer.
@ rabid rabbit & paireon
FWIW, I’ve shared the cave news with a forensic archeologist friend who works for the war crimes tribunal. She has some contacts in their cultural property team. I’ve also sent it to some art lawyer friends who do cultural property work. It’s too late really to do anything practical at this stage; but at least they can signal boost it a bit.