By David Futrelle
Today’s morsel of raw hate from the Incels.co forums: A dude mad at couples eating sushi.
Incels, you really need to develop some hobbies, dudes; this is getting ridiculous.
On the lingo: MOG is short for AMOG or “Alpha Male of the Group,” a bit of PUA lingo the incels have enthusiastically adopted. If you get “mogged” by someone, it means they’ve shown themseles to be more alpha than you.
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That is so pathetic.
Listen, Buster, I eat sushi because I like sushi. I’m not virtue signaling or culture appropriating. I just like sushi.
I looked up what feseekh is. Apparently it’s a kind of preserved fish.
Rich of incels to claim other people are guilty of cultural appropriation seeing as every incel I’ve seen is flagrantly racist.
Oh, and what’s a “Chaddam”? Is it like a Chad? If so, why is he friends with an incel?
“[N]ew cool hip phenomenon”? Sushi? Does 1980 qualify as “new”?
“[M]adly overpriced”? I’m not a fan, but the price isn’t the issue – I just can’t stand sushi. There a lot more expensive things to eat, though.
“[E]xotic and nonwhite foods”? Okay, not exactly classic American food, but about as exotic as fish and chips.
Has this idiot ever been out in public before?
It’s possible that the term “virtue signalling” may once have had a kernel of usefulness to it. But when it’s misused to refer to activity which has nothing to do with virtue, that time is gone.
Also, how whitebread must you be to think that sushi is exotic?
I get sushi from my supermarket.
It’s about as expensive as a decent sandwich, and as exotic as two minute noodles.
If this is all it takes to be an alpha….the only excuse you have for not being an alpha is yourself
Is feseekh really ‘non white’?
I know that’s the Egyptian name for the dish but isn’t it really popular in Scandinavian countries under various names?
Eating sushi is not a hip new phenomenon at all. On dates or otherwise. It was seen as a weird food in the US back in the 80’s. Remember in The Breakfast Club when Claire (Molly Ringwald) brought sushi for lunch in detention and everyone was flabbergasted? But, by the early 2000’s or maybe even before that, it was mainstream. I mean, there’s more then one sushi place at the Mall of America for fuck’s sake. What a strange thing to be mad about.
@ moggie
My understanding is that when used in sociology the virtue in virtue signalling just has its original meaning akin to characteristic or preference. It’s a neutral term and doesn’t necessarily imply positive connotations.
So a club tie or lapel badge or even band t-shirt is virtue signalling in the technical sense. It’s just a way of publicly indicating beliefs or values.
Heck, a swastika armband is virtue signalling in the original sociological use of the term.
@Alan Robertshaw
It’s similar to a few European preserved fish types. Lutefisk, for example, but I don’t think it’s directly analogous to any of them I think (disclaimer: I’m not an expert and could be 100% wrong)
PS: no matter what a Minnesotan/midwesterner tells you, don’t try lutefisk. It’s every but as bad as rumors make it out to be and then some. Signed, a Minnesotan.
Lutefisk is known as a Minnesota dish because we have such a big Scandinavian-American population here, but despite being a quarter Norwegian and also part Swedish, I have never tried it and probably never will. I’ll celebrate my Scandinavian roots with Aquavit instead, thanks.
@Ryan, correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think lutefisk is fermented. I think Surströmming would be a closer relative of fesikh.
@Moggie
The main place I’ve heard “virtue signaling” bandied about is the alt right. They accuse all kinds of left leaning people of virtue signaling and not actually believing the ideology. Of course, this is projection as the far right is based around nonstop virtue signaling to maintain favor with each other.
And I believe I’ve heard the Dirtbag left use the term as well.
@Alan Robertshaw
Surströmming is similar IIRC but I don’t know if it’s the same.
ETA: ninja’ed by Moggie
@Alan, ok, sounds like I was wrong. Though I’ll note that the sort of people who use the term now (outside academic circles) never apply it to their own badges of belonging. The incel OP would never refer to the use of incel jargon as virtue signalling.
This whole sushi thing is just more proof that the nastiness of the self-absorption of incels is limitless.
@ moggie
Oh I wasn’t trying to correct you or anything; just my usual rambling.
@ WWTH
About the only downside of lockdown so far was not being able to attend our usual Norway Day party (for historical reasons there’s a bit of a Nordic diaspora here). Aquavit features quite heavily in that. So does fermented fish for that matter. Isn’t there some thing that aquavit has to cross the equator twice to count?
Here’s the Mogg I thought this clown meant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Mogg
BTW, it’s official. There’s nothing that’s too trivial for an incel to complain about, accompanied by a lengthy screed about all the ways it makes him feel inadequate. But will he ever try to improve himself, or accept himself as he is? No, he’ll just keep on whining.
Fermented fish products exist everywhere there’s fish. Tinned anchovies are very similar to fehseek or surströmming or n’gari or tepik. None of which you’ll see me eating, but that’s a whole other thing. Lutefisk takes it to another level and is treated with lye as part of the fermentation process. And the less said about hákarl the better.
Mogg is also IIRC a type of goblin in Magic: The Gathering.
https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Goblin#Moggs
Given the high levels of nerdery/geekery many incels seem to possess (all the more reason for me to loathe them as I’m a huge nerd/geek myself), I wouldn’t be surprised if the term was also influenced by that.
@Naglfar: I could be wrong, but given that “Chaddam” kinda sounds like “Saddam” he could be referring to a Chad who looks to be of Middle-Eastern origins. Would fit their racism, even (or especially) if used to describe a “friend”. At least that’s my hypothesis of dubious value.
@Dalillama
The most I’ve heard about hákarl is that Anthony Bordain said it was the worst thing he ever tasted. I don’t need to try it to find out.
@ dali and naglfar
I can’t attest to the taste obviously, but they have something at Norway Day that looks like the Loch Ness Monster didn’t look away when they opened the Ark of the Covenant.
Leaving aside the majority of that lingo (chaddam friends? Qt girlfriend?), I looked up what a feseehk was.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fesikh
I suspect the odds of this guy eating an Egyptian fish dish that honestly might kill you if the preparation isn’t just right is rather slim. Slimmer than the odds of him entering the kind of specialty food store that actually sells those fish to folks outside of Egypt.
ETA: and ninja’d by several people on that point. What I get for trying to type out a post between customers on a busy holiday weekend on register. :/
Alan,
That’s what I thought, but if Wikipedia is right, it’s just the case for Norwegian linje aquavits, which is what my family drinks.
@ WWTH
Now I really fancy some aquavit; regardless of what journey it took.
@ redsilkphoenix
Would you believe you can get vegan fugu. Seriously. They use oleander as the toxin. Apparently, like the real thing, it’s not supposed to be about the danger. Rather the toxin in low doses has a sort of narcotic effect. I think I’ll stick to fishless fingers.
Bold of him to assume people on dates are laughing at incels. They’re not thinking about incels at all.
@Naglfar & Alan
It is reputed to taste like extreme bleu cheese with a cat urine aftertaste. That’s from people who like the stuff, mind.
I wonder if the Emperor would be allowed to have some? Apparently there’s a specific rule prohibiting him from having the real thing.