By David Futrelle
Canadian authorities have charged a 17-year-old who allegedly went on a stabbing rampage in a Toronto massage parlor with terrorism, saying that the suspect “was inspired by the Ideologically Motivated Violent Extremist (IMVE) movement commonly known as INCEL”
Globalnews.ca reports:
Charges against the suspect accused of carrying out the Feb. 24 stabbing attack, which killed a woman and injured another, were updated in court on Tuesday to “murder — terrorist activity.” …
In a joint statement, the RCMP and Toronto Police Service said their investigation had determined the attack “was inspired by the Ideologically Motivated Violent Extremist (IMVE) movement commonly known as INCEL.”
“As a result, federal and provincial Attorney Generals have consented to commence terrorism proceedings, alleging that the murder was terrorist activity … and the attempted murder was terrorist activity.”
Experts said it was the first time a terrorism charge had been laid over violence tied to incels … .
It’s good to see authorities treating incel-motivated violence for what it is — terrorism — though it still boggles the mind that the alleged perpetrator of the 2018 Toronto van attacks, which killed ten, was never charged with terrorism.
The police didn’t reveal specifically what evidence there is linking the alleged massage parlor murderer with the incel “movement,” but a source told the Toronto Sun that he was carrying a note in his pocket that made his motivation clear.
Over on Incels..co. the most active online forum for incels, the regulars are reacting much as they do any time an incel “goes ER” and murders someone, or a whole bunch of someones: Some are cheering it on, while others are complaining that their movement, which they deny is a movement, is being linked to a crime that it does indeed seem to be linked to — and wondering why they’re not being treated as the real victims in all this.
“[L]ife fuel tbh,” wrote one commenter in a thread on the subject. “Good news,” added another. “[Toronto van attacker Alek] Minassian got out I see,” still another commenter joked.
One self-described “Anarcho nihilist” wondered about the slain woman’s looks:
What did the victim look like, is there any photos of her, I’m assuming she may be a stacy since she works in a spa
Others agreed that because the victim was a sex worker “nothing of value was lost.”
A commenter called ChinaCurry wondered why no one was focusing on the real victims — them.
[W]e are the only group of massively socially disadvantaged people (in first world countries) yet we are fucking victimised and treated as the criminals, rather than the victims!
That’s kind of what happens when you murder people, or cheer on others like you who murder.
We are the one group of disadvantaged, disenfranchised, unfortunate people, who are not deemed worthy of any help. Instead social engineering is designed to turn people MORE against us! Why is no one asking about the perpetrators life? What he had to endure, and compare that to the lives of the massage girls? They would have had the most amazing lives, being desired and validated and paid by cucks all day to jerk them off, and then gone to fuck chad on the side.
I’m sure it was a very glamorous job, and that this justifies her murder.
Whereas the kid, if he was an incel, which they haven’t even proven, spent his life being lied to by bluepill society and parents, and this is the shit u get.
Society literally abandons us from the age of 5 to fend for ourselves, and then is weirded out when we do fend for ourselves??¿
Going on a stabbing rampage is the strangest example of “fending for oneself” I’ve ever seen..
An incel called koruga worried about the future:
It is only a matter of time before a large-scale false flag attack is carried out and the persecution of ugly men becomes something real and normalized.
There’s no need for “false flags.” Incels’ own words and actions condemn them. The incel ideology inspires terrorism, and incels by and large seem fine with that. It’s good that Canada is taking this terrorism seriously — and straight-up calling it what it is. I hope authorities elsewhere will do the same.
H/T — everyone who linked me to this story on Twitter
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@Moon Custafer
That’s so cool, was the short fiction an sketch or a short story? My mentor introduced me to old SNL and I love it.
Are you glad to be back at work?
I have no idea when we will get back. I love hostessing but having been home all this time and planning has been making me want to find ways to make a living that more directly come from doing performance art as performance art and just saying openly that’s what I do. And I’ve been strategizing on how to view my life wholistically when I think about all that.
@Stacy:
It was based on the 2000 Census sketch, in which Tim Meadows comes to the door of a man (Christopher Walken) who gives really weird answers to his questions (i.e. statings that his wife is a bobcat, or that he has dual US/Florida citizenship). My fic was a very short follow-up in which the census worker finds Mr. Leonard at his door.
Things are a bit slow here (I think they called me back mainly because my supervisor was sick of dealing with the desktop label printer, which is a grumpy machine).
Every picture I’ve ever seen of an incel was an average-looking guy, like about 80 percent of males I’ve ever seen.
The biggest crush I ever had was for a guy who was objectively ugly. He looked a lot like the human suit “Mikey”, the illegal alien was wearing in Men in Black. He was warm and funny and smart as hell and treated everyone around him with basic respect. Unfortunately for me, he was also very married. To a magazine cover-level beautiful women. So I pined a bit and enjoyed working with him for years.
That right there is the difference. That is what matters. A person like that is beautiful. And I say that as a woman who is only attracted physically and sexually to traditionally gorgeous, tall handsome guys with ripped bodies. That is essential for me (and I like having the power and ability to demand it unashamedly) but alone it’s not enough. He has to have and show that genuine caring and respect.
My main partners do and that’s why I chose them. Before the pandemic shut down I was in the process of forming a (part literal) stable of guys.
A person like that is beautiful. And I say that as a woman who is only attracted physically and sexually to traditionally gorgeous, tall handsome guys with ripped bodies. That is essential for me (and I like having the power and ability to demand it unashamedly) but alone it’s not enough.
So… kindness is not sufficient to be beautiful? I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying here. You seem to be contradicting yourself.
You can and should be attracted to whomever you want. (Though if you’re going to have such high standards, you’d be well-advised to consider what you bring to table.) But in fact, kind people are not necessarily beautiful; cruel people are not necessarily ugly. You are reluctant to say that because it’s awkward to admit that good and kind people can lead miserable lives through no fault of their own. But it’s true: life isn’t fair.
Incels sure like to pretend that they’re merely representatives of real and imagined marginalized people.
Not long ago in another online space I saw a long screed where one was whining that mocking “incel tears” is actually horrible bigotry against asexual people.
@Mnasvoice
You’re right, you clearly didn’t understand that simple paragraph, and it’s kind of hilarious in the context of your “usual” postings. 😉
I understood it perfectly and didn’t think it was worth a comment because it pretty much stands on its own.
I also like how the dipshit completely blew past the post ahead of that one, by Otrame, and is pretending it doesn’t exist. Maybe because Otrame’s thesis completely contradicts his agenda-driven, baseless assumptions.
Don’t tell me what I’m reluctant to say. You have NO idea.
That, and you, are SO disrespectful.
You have no idea.
The hot, ripped guy who happily wears the body-harness I tell him to wear for me has every idea though what I “bring to the table” and my only regret is that I’m typing this instead of being able to say it out loudly sharply with a crack of my favorite bullwhip just for emphasis, rude jerk.
@SSPTR – Jesus Christ. Forget it.
@Policy of Madness – Since SSPTR quoted Otrame’s thesis in the comment to which I responded, I’m not sure why you think I “blew past” it. It seems to me that I’m engaging in the same conversational thread in which Otrame is participating.
So again, you’ve made a half-baked, stupid comment. Be grateful I bothered to respond; that won’t always be the case.
It’s almost like “beautiful” is actually not objective, as you claim and different people have different standards about what beautiful means.
For Otrame the physical beauty wasn’t necessary, for Stacey, it was. That’s what happens when humans do human things like having their own minds and opinions. It’s not a contradiction for two separate people to have two separate sets of criteria for beauty.
Because Otrame’s thesis is that you’re full of absolute shit, and Stacey agreed with that, yet you don’t seem to grasp that at all. You blew right past it. You ignored it. I think you read it and understood it, but because it didn’t agree with your own preconceptions you skipped it. Otrame’s experience proves you wrong, but you don’t want to acknowledge that.
Didn’t anyone ever teach you not to threaten people with a good time?
@MansVoice
You have not apologized yet.
You should do so respectfully, and right away.
Well, I guess people will have to deign to look for other sources of comedy.
I make the trolls angry by existing anyway but actually being named Stacey probably doubles it. 🙂
I’ll put a score on him coming back and saying something along the lines of “You’re all upset at my perfectly reasonable statement.”
Anyone want to counter? A source for bets on his foolishness is about all the long-winded tosser’s good for.
I personally find it somewhat disgusting that the dipshit has decided to crash a story about an incel murdering and attempting to murder women, and use that as a vehicle to press his theory that women are shallow jerks who won’t give nice guys a chance. It strikes me as victim-blamey, and my opinion of him would have gone lower if it were capable of being lower than it already is.
@SSPTR – I don’t think so. I advise you to let it go.
@Policy of Madness:
Because Otrame’s thesis is that you’re full of absolute shit, and Stacey agreed with that, yet you don’t seem to grasp that at all. You blew right past it. You ignored it. I think you read it and understood it, but because it didn’t agree with your own preconceptions you skipped it. Otrame’s experience proves you wrong, but you don’t want to acknowledge that.
So many questions. What are my preconceptions? How exactly does Otrame’s thesis relate to those preconceptions? Why is the self-described “scientist” who completely dismissed an interesting, informal survey for its small sample size suddenly taking unverified anecdata as “proof”?
I expect that the answers, should you choose to provide them, will be illuminating.
@Stacey
Don’t hold your breath, that troll’s been buzzing around here for weeks now and never knows when to concede anything.
Didn’t he say he has a manly man-job to do now anyways?
You … you didn’t even comprehend my post, did you? That’s why you have nothing to say about it. You didn’t grasp it at all!
I never mentioned sample size. I never mentioned sample size. Sample size was never the issue with that “study.” You just aren’t equipped to understand what I was saying, are you? My god. I never realized you were as idiotic as you are. You claim to be an actuary, yet you don’t grasp the fundamentals of statistics? I mean, the absolute baseline fundamentals?
Wow. Wow.
@Naglfar
It’s funny, now the troll is “advising” me.
Years, I suspect.
It’s especially ironic that this rude disrespectful troll talks about what I might bring to the table.
I don’t bring things to the table. I bring them to the throne room and altar.
Before the pandemic shut everything down my mentor in my BDSM social group and I were working on a project that kind of turns performance art into spiritual expression in a personalized brand of neo-pagan non-traditional religion. We were looking into building me a real temple where I would be worshipped as a real living goddess by willing participants (all who get this kind of stuff)* with a space that could be used as a yoga studio and another room set aside as an even more sacred space that could be used as a throne room/altar room. When the pandemic hit we were in the process of raising support from sponsors for the real estate and construction. It was definitely not inexpensive so it was going to be a long process anyway so while isolated I’ve still been able to plan and build the relationships that will be part of it. Some friendships I have with guys now are going to change profoundly into another kind of relationship if this happens and so this has been good to give me time to start exploring all that.
*I know not everybody gets this kind of stuff so I respect people whose spiritual beliefs might differ. Just to be clear we are talking about informed and consensual mutual spiritual exploration although those who are in the project with me and I do take it very seriously.
@Policy of Madness – Ah, my mistake. It was someone else who objected to the small sample size. I get you folks mixed up; you all kind of write in the same tryhard “snarky” style.
And not your only mistake. Let me explain to you what the actual problem is.
One does not perform statistics on populations. The fundamental concept of doing statistics is that you have a representative sample of the entire population, you extrapolate what you find in that sample to the population, and you analyze the probability of that extrapolation being meaningful. In order for the extrapolation to have any chance whatsoever of being meaningful, the sample must be random. Every member of the population must have an equal opportunity to be included in the sample. If this is not the case, you’re not performing statistics. You’re just dicking around and wasting everyone’s time.
Your “study’s” protocol was to gather information on women who are attracted to a pretty male picture. That’s not a random sample. That excludes huge sectors of the population. It excludes gay women, women for whom looks are not a significant factor, women who were turned off by something else in the profile, women with a non-standard idea of what is attractive, and so on. Huge sectors of the population were not included in the sample. And then the finding was that the sampled women – who were restricted to women attracted to a pretty male picture – were SURPRISE attracted to pretty male pictures! Your conclusion is the same as your premise, which is common when the protocol is fucked sideways.
Having your conclusion as your premise, by the way, is a logical fallacy called begging the question.
So no actual statistics were performed here, and extrapolating from the sample to the population is absolutely invalid. It doesn’t matter if there are 8 people sampled, 26 people sampled, or 1000 people sampled. When your sampling method is stupid, stupid, stupid, you get stupid, stupid, stupid results. GIGO.
Then there is the ethical problem, which I outlined earlier in detail, so I won’t go over it again. Suffice to say that anyone who performs human research on unknowing subjects is someone who has shit for brains, and it doesn’t look good on you that you think this is not a problem whatsoever.
@Stacey
That sounds really cool. Maybe you should start a blog or something to document it in one place.