Incels offer touching Mother’s Day tributes to all the “whores who opened their legs”

At this point, they can only be satirising themselves? Surely?

@Moon Custafer
That may be true to a degree, but I think incels also genuinely do hate themselves. Though it is hard to tell what they actually believe because they are so overly dramatic and Poe’s law comes into play.

Regardless, I wonder if it would help incels if they had a healthy hobby to distract themselves. When I’ve been depressed or otherwise feeling down, hobbies have sometimes helped.

A general question, responding to “think of the mothers who had a son turn into one of these dudes.” One of the stereotypes is “living in mother’s basement.”

If I had a son that turned out like this, I would straight kick him out when he reached his age of majority. He would indeed be homeless or have to wage slave to fund his own internet and lodgings to post this shit, no free rides off his mum for that. Am I inhuman for this? I don’t think that a mother should have to suffer abuse at the hands of the sons that post this kind of shit.*

*Which I’ve seen, I know a friend’s younger brother turned into one and he’s disgusting towards his mother. So far he’s not hit her, but he screams at her and is verbally horrible in a way that no guest–and he is a guest now that she is not required by law to support him–should be towards their host, let alone a son towards his mother. Along with other problems he creates for her, trashing her house, getting the cops called, etc.

@Policy of Madness: One can be both angry and depressed; in fact, constant anger about unfulfilled entitlements (among other things) can result in depression. Giving up that anger is the first step in recovery, but as it’s usually the only thing which still feels real it can be the hardest thing one can do in that situation, perhaps even harder than suicide sometimes.

@Policy of Madness:
I’m not sure we’re on the same page here. I had the impression you were saying that chronic anger and depression are unrelated, and was meaning to correct that as “where both exist in the same person, they nearly always *are* related”… but you seem to have responded as if I were excusing the anger somehow, but I’m not 100% sure of that.

On the subject in general:
Even if some incels are trolling with the self-hate (or even if some of them are fake incels trolling real incels) that kind of thing can become a “your mind makes it real” situation if you do it too much.

O/T, but could be for a future post:
Even other TERFs are starting to turn on Graham Linehan (link cw transphobia). Admittedly it’s mainly because they think he’s making them look bad, not because they have an issue with his transphobia (though a few did actually criticize his actions), but I’m curious if this is building up to some sort of “gender critical” civil war between pro-Glinner and anti-Glinner factions. A TERF war, if you will.

@PoM

it always does bother me when feminists put some dude up on a pedestal just because he’s saying that women are humans. It’s giving a man extra kudos for meeting basic standards.

I know, and Graham is gross to cis women as well as trans* people, so I’m not condoning him in any way. And to their credit a couple of the TERFs did actually point out that issue and give actual criticism of him. I just think it’s telling that it took until something like the last week to get them to stop worshiping him.

@PoM

You’d think radical feminists would be less susceptible to this, but I guess not.

I feel like at this point that any radical feminist views TERFs may have they are willing to put aside when convenient, like when allying with conservative anti-LGBT and antifeminist groups or sharing a platform with white nationalists. Similarly, they were able to put aside such views to embrace Graham’s harassment of cis women who didn’t agree with them.

@Allandrel

they object to those views being expressed out loud where others can see them.

What’s funny about that is that in general TERFs and the alt right both seem to think their communications on public forums are super secret and will never be seen by others. As a result, they are confused about why their false flag operations rarely fool anyone other than each other. Pretty much all their subreddits and forums like Mumsnet are out in the open to see, and even their federated social media sites like Glindr and Spinster can be accessed by non-members with Fediverse viewing links (like this, cw transphobia).

O/T: further Graham update:
He posted a self-pitying screed to his website saying he won’t take the offending tweets down and will try to use this time to “raise awareness” of other TERFs who have been “silenced.” In other words, he won’t be back on Twitter any time soon because of his own ego, so that’s good news.