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New MGTOW theory: “Women can’t respect you for dating them because they know they don’t deserve respect themselves”

“He must be a cuck if he’s dating me”

By David Futrelle

Fellas, is it gay to date a woman?

Signs point to “yes,” at least if the person reading the signs is a MGTOW Redditor called DannyTTT55.

In a recent post on the Men Going Their Own Way subreddit, he suggests to his fellow men that unless you’re a true alpha male who doesn’t give a shit about the women he has sex with, dating a woman makes you a cuck in her eyes.

Why? Because you’re dating her, and she known she’s just a worthless slut who deserves nothing better than blatant disrespect.

“At least on a subconscious level, these women know they are a dumpster fire of a human being,” Danny writes,

that’s why if you try to date them normally and treat them with respect, they can’t have any respect for you

It’s like the old Groucho Marx thing of not wanting to be in any club that would accept the likes of him as a member. Except that this version of the old joke isn’t funny, and it involves the word “cuck.”

How can they possibly treat you any more than a cuck while you’re sitting across at dinner from them, waiting at least three dates to hold their hand, while in the back of their mind they’re remembering the gang bang they had a couple years back when they were still “having fun”

Like a lot of manospherians, Danny has a vivid imagination when it comes to the sex lives of other people he knows nothing about.

That’s why the only guys they respect are bad boys who treat them like crap, because deep down inside they know they are crap. They need to constantly boost their ego somehow so they aren’t ashamed to be treated like a regular human being, because they know all they deserve anymore is to be pumped and dumped

Huh. No wonder women want guys like this to make good on their promise to Go Their Own Way, far away.

Commenter Chadrith_Thundavisht agreed with Danny, writing that women are

so desensitised to compliments and all that happy horseshit that it probably engenders frustration to the point they actually WANT a piece of shit to treat them like a piece of shit. Look how many douchbags they go out with and you think to yourself “wtf is going on here!? That guy?!”.

I am shocked — shocked! — that straight and bi women are sometimes shallow when it comes to picking out men to date, because clearly no man would ever make that mistake.

The only other explanation for this is the negative animus complex but I bet my left nut most women are sick of the blue-pilled grovelling and seek out fuckwits to date just to break up the monotony and go ‘southy’ for a bit. They know there’ll be plenty of blue fishies in the ocean when they’re about to walk down washout lane.

Speaking of shocks, it’s also quite stunning (not) to see one of these guys citing some half-digested bit of Jungian theory to explain why women are bitches and hos.

A commenter called Evergreen35, meanwhile, reported that his

biggest Red-Pill was realizing how turned off my last girlfriend was when I told her that I loved her.

Ok, but maybe that was because you’re the kind of guy who reads the fucking MGTOW subreddit for advice on women?

When I ignored her and showed less interest, she always came back to me looking for attention. The less you care, the more she wants you, and vice-versa.

Maybe because she knew you were a shitty dude and was glad to have a less-then-fully-committed relationship with you?

Just spitballing here.

A commenter called breakingthebarriers said he thought that the OP was overanalyzing the whole thing.

From what I’ve seen I don’t think it’s even this deep though.

When I look at the behavior of women, I see a simple creature controlled by an ever-changing volatile melting pot of unchecked emotions. A simple creature unable to comprehend the chaos it creates.

Ok, but how exactly does a melting pot control a creature? Does it have little arms it uses to manipulate the creature like a puppeteer would? I don’t think this guy is able to comprehend his own metaphors, much less the inner life of women.

But it wasn’t just breakingthebarriers who thought the OP was overestimating the cerebral powers of women. According to Zevren_LT,

You are implying, that a woman has even on the basic level the ability of self-reflection.

Which is, in my opinion, far too generous.

Reading too much into them – elevates them needlessly. So we should stop sugarcoating something – which is in truth far simpler and sadly also crueler.

Our minds like to read something more into it as a cope mechanism, when we cant believe the simple truth.

I think these guys have it all backwards. I don’t doubt that a good number of the unfortunate women they go on dates with treat them with disrespect. Not so much because the women in question hate themselves but because they hate you guys for believing the shit you do about women, which I don’t doubt you share with your dates.

Dating while MGTOW must be an ordeal, but that ordeal is nothing compared to what dating one of you — even for the length of a dinner — must be like. And on some level these guys (or at least that portion of them capable of self-reflection) know that they’re the problem — that they themselves are the ones who deserve the disrespect.

Put that in your melting pot and smoke it, guys.

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Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
6 months ago

@Alan:
Well, taken from a purely Special/General relativity standpoint, part of the point of those is that any location could be viewed as the centre of the universe and everything derived from there. It’s pretty common in math and physics to pick a co-ordinate system that makes your calculations easier and then translate it back to whatever system you need afterward. I seem to recall somebody actually took the math for General Relativity, assumed a stationary bucket of water with the rest of the universe rotating around it, and proved that it still generated centrifugal force. (And in that reference frame, it absolutely would have been centrifugal.)

And, honestly, that’s a sensible rule in general, but I’m not sure it strictly qualifies as ‘investment’ in that case. At least, not in the modern way that’s used.

Granted, the modern method is already a bit detached from the entire concept of being ‘invested’ in something, meaning you actually care what happens to it.

(When commissioning, I also have a tendency to go to artists and say, ‘here’s a theme and a basic outline of an idea, have fun’. Makes things more interesting, and despite old stereotypes, artists having fun often produce better art.)

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
6 months ago

@ jenora

Oh gawd, that bucket thing. I was a lost cause on that too.

“You know how when you spin a bucket the water forms a meniscus”

“No.”

“Right, so…oh”

Moggie
Moggie
6 months ago

@Jenora:

Well, taken from a purely Special/General relativity standpoint, part of the point of those is that any location could be viewed as the centre of the universe and everything derived from there. It’s pretty common in math and physics to pick a co-ordinate system that makes your calculations easier and then translate it back to whatever system you need afterward. I seem to recall somebody actually took the math for General Relativity, assumed a stationary bucket of water with the rest of the universe rotating around it, and proved that it still generated centrifugal force. (And in that reference frame, it absolutely would have been centrifugal.)

Here’s what I don’t get. Most of the universe rotating around that bucket would be moving faster than the speed of light. In fact, if you take a non-rotating Earth as the reference frame, by my rough calculation even the closest stars (other than Sol) would exceed light speed.

Allandrel
Allandrel
6 months ago

@Alan Robertshaw

. Apart from anything else, some of them suggest Earth is at the centre of the universe.

Please. Everyone know that Oa is at the center of the universe. That’s why the Guardians picked it for the Green Lantern Headquarters.

Victorious Parasol
6 months ago

@Allandrel

In brightest day, in darkest night….

Naglfar
Naglfar
6 months ago

@Allandrel
I’m pretty sure Eternium is at the center, because the Nibblonians are from there and existed before our universe.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
6 months ago

@Moggie:
So, talking mostly out of my ass here because while I tried to do a physics minor in university I never got as far as general relativity (because they changed the course requirements halfway through and I couldn’t get the courses at the right times anymore for my co-op work term sequence)…

I suspect the difference here lies in the concept of ‘frame dragging’. Massive objects moving pull space along with them as they move. While this has mostly been studied in terms of the rotation of massive objects twisting things around them, the math applies to linear momentum as well (it’s just a lot harder to test, and rotational frame dragging is hard enough).

If the entire rest of the universe is rotating around this one object, they’re going to pull all of space-time around with them, aside from the resistance from the central object which is then pretty much identical to the way that object would twist space if it were rotating.

Now, combine that with the fact that the speed of light is only the limit relative to the local space-time (which is why the Alcubierre ‘warp drive’ is a valid solution to the equations of General Relativity) and that space itself can move faster than light relative to other objects that aren’t interacting with that local patch of space-time (which is demonstrated by the expansion of the universe), and there’s no issue anymore: the stars appear to be moving faster than the speed of light only because the entire spatial metric they’re embedded in is moving that way.

What this all boils down to is that the ‘universe rotating around the bucket’ ends up just becoming an exceedingly complicated method of calculating what happens when the bucket rotates.

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