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Trans women are ruining The Last of Us 2 by shrinking all the boobies, irrationally angry gamers cry

By David Futrelle

Fans of the well-loved postapocalyptic video game The Last of Us are reeling over a massive leak of information about the game’s upcoming sequel that suggests the story will be taking an exceedingly dark turn that highlights the futility of a cycle of revenge and retribution.

You’ll have to look up the spoilers yourself; I don’t want to give any more plot details.

While many fans are upset with the new direction, an angry minority has decided to blame the game’s apparently much darker plot — and everything else they think is wrong with the still-unreleased sequel — on evil SJWs for “shoving as much diversity and woke agenda at the player as possible,” as the One Angry Gamer site awkwardly put it

In particular, they’re targeting unnamed and possibly imaginary trans activists at Naughty Dog, the developer of the game, for making it (allegedly) too trans-friendly for the true fans.

Much of the ire centers around a new character named Abby, whom 4channers and others have decided is trans — or at least “trans-gendered-looking,” as One Angry Gamer has described her — because she’s small-breasted and a bit butch.

A writer at the right-wing culture war site Sausage Roll takes this argument further, arguing that the allegedly less-feminine character design in The Last of Us 2 is part of a devious plan to make the game “trans-friendly.”

“It seems … that the inclusion of gay and lesbian characters in the last three Naughty Dog games was not enough to appease the activists who are reportedly working at Naughty Dog,” wrote Sausage Roll’s Dianne Anders.

The Last of Us Part II gameplay footage leak confirms that the plot has some extreme trans rights ideologies, too. ….

Abby is the leader of [a] little gang; and, according to 4chan leaks, she is also a trans woman.

Has there ever been a less-credible source than “4chan leaks?”

The characters in The Last of Us Part II are designed in such a way to not make trans people feel uncomfortable. Every single new character introduced in the sequel does not have definitive feminine or masculine qualities.

Ellie and Dina, specifically, have been remodelled to look less feminine … .

According to an unnamed video game artist interviewed by Anders, it’s all the fault of trans women that the game’s characters don’t have massive, male-pleasing boobs. (Because what’s an apocalypse without boobs?)

“A trans woman can’t naturally grow large breasts, and not all trans people can afford implants,” the anonymous artist told Anders.

If you see a game where the women are a little less curvy, it’s not … because the game designers are worried about receiving backlash for sexualising women, it’s because they are worried about offending the trans community. …

That’s why you will see a lot of designers ‘nerfing the female form’ so to speak so that the difference between trans women and cis women is a little less noticeable.

Anders herself continues:

That might explain exactly what happened to the cis female characters in TheLast of Us Part II.

We can practically hear the gutteral cries from offended gamer dudes from around the world: TRANS WOMEN TOOK MUH BOOBIES!

This would ring true especially if one of the new protagonists is a trans woman because it would blur the line between cis and trans so people would perceive Abby simply as a female hero.

Given that she’s already seen as trans despite no evidence that she is actually trans, that seems a tad unlikely.

It’s striking how easy it is for people like Anders — and her 4chan “sources” — to conjure up a trans demon out of nothing. Because transphobia runs deep.

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Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
1 year ago

That’s a big reach from them.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

Much of the ire centers around a new character named Abby, whom 4channers and others have decided is trans — or at least “trans-gendered-looking,” as One Angry Gamer has described her — because she’s small-breasted and a bit butch.

Because no cis women have ever presented as butch or had breasts smaller than DD. /s

Transphobia rots the brain

Has there ever been a less-credible source than “4chan leaks?”

Donald Trump?

the difference between trans women and cis women is a little less noticeable.

But #WeCanAlwaysTell, amirite? /s
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it would blur the line between cis and trans so people would perceive Abby simply as a female hero.

Remind me why that’s a bad thing.

I’m actually surprised the author used the word “cis” here, usually transphobes claim it’s a slur.

Dalillama
Dalillama
1 year ago

Some trans gals grow big breasts, depending on their genetics etc. Possible TMI, mine are the largest in my family by a noticable margin.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Dalillama
If you don’t mind me asking, are there any things I can do to try to maximize my own growth? I haven’t gotten on HRT yet but am hoping to in the future (my plans were somewhat interrupted by pandemic and other obligations).

banned@4chan.org
banned@4chan.org
1 year ago

…okay, but what if there was a post-apocalyptic story, or even post-post-apoc, where one of the characters non-het or non-cis or whatever, and they’re trying to hunt down artifacts of the pre-apocalypse LGBT community? Like imagine a gay guy who hasn’t even seen another human in six weeks, and he’s confronted with an old magazine or something and his mind suddenly reels with the realization, “there used to be so many human beings even rarities like me could fill an entire building.”

Dalillama
Dalillama
1 year ago

@Naglfar
Progesterone helps. Other than that it’s mostly down to luck.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

It’s weird to me that people would assume that someone might not want to see all the female characters having cartoonishly sized boobs in their media because they’re jealous. Because I’m a cis woman with cartoonishly large natural boobs and while I have no problem with anyone finding breasts, including large ones attractive, I don’t love the boob based objectification that is so common.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@banned@4chan.org

…okay, but what if there was a post-apocalyptic story, or even post-post-apoc, where one of the characters non-het or non-cis or whatever, and they’re trying to hunt down artifacts of the pre-apocalypse LGBT community?

That actually sounds like an interesting game. I would play that.

@WWTH

It’s weird to me that people would assume that someone might not want to see all the female characters having cartoonishly sized boobs in their media because they’re jealous.

I wonder if it’s a sort of projection from the inverse. Maybe some men are jealous of muscle bound male characters in video games so they project that women would be jealous of large breasted women in games? This is not only projected to trans* women, I recall some GamerGaters claiming that the reason feminists didn’t like misogynistic video games was because the women in those games were supposedly more attractive.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

That actually sounds like an interesting game

Queers of War?

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Alan Robertshaw
Metal Queer Solid?

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Wildly off topic question, but does anyone know of a YouTube channel, or some other videos on some other platform that teaches flexibility training that you can do at home?

For some context, I’m a former diver with some natural flexibility, so I don’t need beginner stuff. I want something geared towards athletes in sports that require flexibility or dancers. I can almost, but not quite do the splits and can still get into a pike position but can’t hold it because it hurts. I used to be able to easily do the splits and pretty much nap in a pike position on the floor and I’d love to get that flexibility back. Anyone got ideas?

Kevin
Kevin
1 year ago

It’s possible I’m missing something obvious, but wouldn’t it take less processing power to animate slimmer characters, leaving more for environmental detail?

Mogwitch
Mogwitch
1 year ago

I think if civilisation was collapsing a lot of woman would be dressing purely based on availability of clothing first, practicality second.. personal aesthetic preferences wouldn‘t really figure very highly. I know incels always imagine the women that will be at their mercy post-apocalypse will somehow still be wearing high-heels and cosmetics and still removing all their body hair, but I think they’d be lucky if we’d been able to wash in the previous month. “Butch” would be absolutely meaningless as a descriptor.

Masse_Mysteria
Masse_Mysteria
1 year ago

I suppose if you’re used to impossibly large breasts, a touch of realism feels like oppression?

@WWTH
I don’t even mind if there are women with big breasts in a comic or whatever, even though that’s not my personal preference. I take issue when every single woman has ridiculously big breasts (often at the same time being stick-thin otherwise). Also, impractical and revealing clothing can make me grind my teeth.

@Kevin
From what I’ve heard about people’s complaints on how horribly animations and suchcan treat (often already unrealistic) female anatomy, I don’t know how much of an issue that is.

occasional reader
occasional reader
1 year ago

If someone is able to cite 4 chan as a reliable source of information, her unnamed video game artist is probably in the same vein as her “black friend” – the one which allows her to make fucking racist jokes because, hey, he laughs at them ! You do not see him, but promise, he laughs !
It is seldomly a good sign when you begin to invoke imaginary persons as an argument…

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

I didn’t finish TLoU (really need to return to it at some point, because it’s very good). But I don’t remember huge bazongas featuring in that game. I mean, it’s a dark, emotionally gripping survival horror: jiggle physics would be a major thematic misstep, surely? I’ve avoided learning anything about the sequel, since I’ll want to play it, but I assume the tone is similar. If you’re playing a game about zombies, and thinking “this needs to be more horny”, you’ve got problems.

I probably ought to avoid this thread, in case of spoilers.

Speaking of jiggle physics (safe for work):

opposablethumbs
opposablethumbs
1 year ago

@wwth chief manatee, about a year or two ago I was trying to reconcile myself to the fact that my flexibility was probably knackered for good – but somewhat to my surprise, I’ve found that (while I definitely need to take it more carefully, with more of a warm-up) just doing the same old stretches I used to do I’ve very gradually improved again until my flexibility is almost what it was. (BUT! Dropping a couple of stretches that were demanding on the knees and replacing them with adapted, more knee-friendly alternatives, though)

So I haven’t got any useful specific suggestions, sorry! But I just wanted to say take it easy on yourself and go slowly and you might surprise yourself after a while ::sends large delivery of encouragement:: (as Arthur Daley might say, the world is your lobster. Which is not really relevant at all, but for some reason that phrase just came to mind, I dunno, it’s the lockdown getting to me, my mind keeps dribbling off on wobbly tangents like ancient TV shows …)

Knitting Cat Lady
Knitting Cat Lady
1 year ago

I also own comically huge breasts.

I hope to get a mastectomy someday.

Due to the pandemic and therefore being at home aside from doctor visits (can’t do a blood draw over the phone) or grocery shopping I haven’t worn a bra in about two months. Heaven.

As for how to get big boobs? Genetics. I take after my dad’s side of the family (double edged sword because breast cancer). Most of my cousins have the same huge tits I do.

And the way I see tits bounce in animation? That fucking hurts in real life! That’s why sports bras exist!

Also, I hate the AFAB people get called ’emotional’ when men regularly lose their shit just because a video game character has smaller boobs or wears a skort, FFS!

NautaliaC
NautaliaC
1 year ago

The boob thing is a bit of an issue for us trans* women, specifically those of us that began our hormones after having a testosterone-majority puberty. Not to get into TMI, but for me, I’m lucky to have the ability to purchase a bra within the relative size that a fair number of cis women need. This doesn’t mean I don’t have issues; my sternum and ribs flare out and at my size they’re not “full-looking.” Not that I’m too worried as they’ll keep growing and doing they’re thing.

It’s not the boobs these dudes would be worried about with me. It’s probably the fact that I’m a tall, slender, lesbian who wears minimum makeup, if any. I’m outspoken and clear about my boundaries and I’m on a personal quest to make the lives of my loved ones better and full of happiness. This chills transphobes. The thought of me being happy without their input scares them. It simply proves how irrelevant to the best of the people in this world they are. Their fears are justified by their own hands, grasping at straws. Afraid of a woman in a video game being transgender?! It’s a small fear compared to a reflection, displaying how tiny they truly are.

If this seems grandiose, it’s probably because my sis and I just finished rewatching the anime “Kill La Kill” which left me feeling pretty amazing. For the record, the show is about wearing clothing but in a very ‘anime-esque’ way that’s hard to describe via text. Suffice it to say, everyone in the show ends up naked. No, it’s not porn, just a fun little action romp about a girl befriending her outfit. And revenge. It’s got some squick, too, sadly. It is anime. What was I saying again?

numerobis
numerobis
1 year ago

blur the line between cis and trans so people would perceive Abby simply as a female hero

Yet another conservative approaching the point.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Kevin

It’s possible I’m missing something obvious, but wouldn’t it take less processing power to animate slimmer characters, leaving more for environmental detail?

That reminds me of a video game that Katamount brought to my attention a while ago. In Jurassic Park: Trespasser, to reduce rendering needs the character was only rendered as breasts and an arm.

@Mogwitch

“Butch” would be absolutely meaningless as a descriptor.

I also imagine that due to not having time/skill to cut it, most people would have long (if not well maintained) hair, while part of butch aesthetic is usually short hair.

@Moggie
That video is weirdly satisfying, especially the part with the sand on the jello.

Moon Custafer
Moon Custafer
1 year ago

@ Naglfar:

I also imagine that due to not having time/skill to cut it, most people would have long (if not well maintained) hair

IDK, if the apocalypse conditions have people regularly holed up somewhere for hours or days while they wait for a storm/zombie horde/other threat to move on, I don’t see why some of them might not try cutting each other’s hair with scissors or a razor, if only to pass the time.

Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
Weird (and tired of trumplings) Eddie
1 year ago

Has there ever been a less-credible source than “4chan leaks?”

Faux Noise is trying hard

Shadowplay
1 year ago

@WWTH

I tend to use the exercises by TheLeanMachines. They’ve got a fair mix, but they’re clearly labelled.

I’ll admit to turning the sound off, mind. Dislike exercising and really dislike someone chattering on while I’m doing it.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Moon Custafer

IDK, if the apocalypse conditions have people regularly holed up somewhere for hours or days while they wait for a storm/zombie horde/other threat to move on, I don’t see why some of them might not try cutting each other’s hair with scissors or a razor, if only to pass the time.

I just looked it up and apparently people are shaving their heads now for the covhead-19 challenge while in lockdown, which is in some way connected to the NHS. I’ve never shaved my head and haven’t cut my hair in several years, so I don’t plan to partake in this.

We’re going to see a lot of varied home haircuts for a good while after this.

Gaebolga
Gaebolga
1 year ago

So, in a post-apocalyptic world, no one is starving enough to be really thin…got it.

And no one would shave their head so their hair doesn’t get caught on things as they fight or flee for their lives…seems legit.

Therefore, trans women are destroying civilization…logic!

…why am I not grifting the Rethuglican masses for all that sweet, sweet hate cash, again? It obviously doesn’t take intelligence or skill or talent.

Jarnsaxa
Jarnsaxa
1 year ago

Yeah, “trans people exist” is a suuuuper extreme trans agenda, guys. Suuuuuure.

Lumipuna
Lumipuna
1 year ago

Post-apocalyptic chic would be likely less “curvy” and more “scurvy”.

Masse_Mysteria
Masse_Mysteria
1 year ago

The more I think about this post, the more I’m reminded about all those jerks who fetishise trans women and say that they’re much more feminine than cis women and whatnot. Only now they’re taking away someone’s boobs or something when a woman is not aesthetically pleasing. It’s hard to keep track of.

@Moon Custafer
I’ve been growing (part of) my hair for five years now, and I sure would try to shear it off with a blunt knife if I was living under constant stress because, if I’m doing anything important, it gets horribly annoying and totally distracting the moment it starts falling out of a bun. I realise other people feel differently, but this is also the reason I’m puzzled why so many female super heroes wear their long hair loose while fighting crime.

@Lumipuna
You’re my hero now.

GenghisFaun
GenghisFaun
1 year ago

I know I’m not the first person to say this, but …

How exactly is having another playable character – THAT YOU NEVER HAVE TO OPT TO PLAY – oppression?!

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Jarnsaxa

Yeah, “trans people exist” is a suuuuper extreme trans agenda, guys. Suuuuuure.

I think a lot of transphobes do actually think this is extreme. They believe that trans* people do not exist and so anyone who claims to be trans* is doing so in bad faith and must have evil intentions. Therefore, to them claiming our existence is seen as an extreme agenda.

Moggie
Moggie
1 year ago

OT: now Alex Jones is threatening cannibalism:

https://twitter.com/RealKellyJones/status/1256222688495927304

I must say, things must be worse in the US than I thought. I was under the impression that you could still easily get food.

Ohlmann
Ohlmann
1 year ago

@WWTH : I believe it’s toxic masculinity at it again. To be a worthy trophy, a women need a huge rack, so they feel obligated to require all fictional women to be worthy trophy. I believe toxic masculinity to be hugely performative, which is why they both don’t understand and don’t care if other disagree or find that strange : for them, showing their virility is required, and they care more about properly showing their virility than the actual message they give

I wonder if they would found that one good enough, given that she have a big rack :

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Masse_Mysteria
Masse_Mysteria
1 year ago

@Moggie
That’s really disturbing. Reminds me why I don’t usually subject myself to that.

Also, his question “Do you think I like sizing up my neighbour?”
… I mean, it’s starting sound like you do?

Weasel-Rah
Weasel-Rah
1 year ago

Alex Jones, like most rabid conservatives, has been looking for an excuse to murder his neighbors for years. Not anything in particular about the neighbors, he just wants to murder people and get away with it. It’s why they all have a dozen long rifles “for home protection “.
There’s been essays written about the popularity of zombie media correlating to this murder-your-neighbor fantasy…

Noble Commando
1 year ago

As an Angry Gamer I would like to say Fuck this article
I don’t care If I get banned from this site

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Ohlmann

I believe toxic masculinity to be hugely performative, which is why they both don’t understand and don’t care if other disagree or find that strange : for them, showing their virility is required, and they care more about properly showing their virility than the actual message they give

Toxic masculinity also includes the idea that one is never wrong, so if other men disagree with a man who things women need massive breasts, he will probably assume he is right and that it must be the other men who are not manly enough.

@Masse_mysteria

Also, his question “Do you think I like sizing up my neighbour?”
… I mean, it’s starting sound like you do?

Every right winger has a very thinly veiled fantasy of an apocalypse when everyone they don’t like will die and/or be forced into slavery. They also tend to fantasize about killing those they don’t like, as shown by Anglin’s screed last week.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

O/T:
TERFs now think that body-positive movements are bad for telling women they are beautiful the way they are. Somehow I’m not surprised.

impudentinfidel
impudentinfidel
1 year ago

These guys are going to have an aneurysm if they ever find out straight men without a breast fetish exist. I don’t think it even exists as a possibility in their worldview.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@impudentinfidel
Or that asexual men exist (though really I imagine they don’t really recognize the existence of non-cishet men at all).

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
1 year ago

@Naglfar

O/T:
TERFs now think that body-positive movements are bad for telling women they are beautiful the way they are. Somehow I’m not surprised.

That’s … a reductive way to characterize that message.

Robert
Robert
1 year ago

Naglfar, that thread includes a gratuitous swipe at Jazz Jennings for having participated in the design of a bra.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
1 year ago

When I’m not skiving on walks, I’m using the lockdown to brush up on art law. Whilst so I came across this; which might be of interest to some peeps here.

Dalaila
Dalaila
1 year ago

Uh… I hate to be the one to tell them this really obvious fact, but skinny cis women generally don’t grow large natural breasts either. Sure, there are exceptions (including me), but by & large you need body fat to have larger breasts. & I’m sure they’d be howling just as loudly about their dying erections if the female characters were busty, & also not thin.

Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
Surplus to Requirements, Observer of the Vast Blight-Wing Enstupidation
1 year ago

@Weasel-Rah:

There’s been essays written about the popularity of zombie media correlating to this murder-your-neighbor fantasy…

Zombie stuff also tends to give me a strong racism/anti-immigration vibe. I think it reflects how right-wingers think of the Mexicans, or eastern Europeans, or other ethnically-distinct group of poor people massed just on the other side of some border. It plays to the right-wing bourgeois fear that the people who have been screwed over for so long will come pouring across borders and out of the inner cities and overthrow them and take and redistribute all their stuff.

Zombies, in other words, are often a stand-in for racial invasion and/or socialist revolution. And by extension a zombie virus stands in for any feared influence that could spread such a thing, e.g. Marxism or other leftist teachings.

Note too how survivor enclaves in these settings so often end up as authoritarian states with very rightwing politics. Many of the stories set in or around such enclaves seem to be a “we were right all along and one day circumstances will prove it!” fantasy for right wingers.

Masse_Mysteria
Masse_Mysteria
1 year ago

@Naglfar
Skimming through that conversation, I took the point to be that body positivity still reduces a woman’s worth to her looks. Am I missing something?

Note that I didn’t read very far, since naturally there was ll sorts of TERF horribleness and fat shaming and what have you.

Naglfar
Naglfar
1 year ago

@Dalailah

I’m sure they’d be howling just as loudly about their dying erections if the female characters were busty, & also not thin.

Oh yes, can you imagine the tantrums if the characters were fat?

@Surplus

Zombie stuff also tends to give me a strong racism/anti-immigration vibe.

Sometimes it isn’t even veiled. Right now preppers are freaking out because they expected the apocalypse to give them a wasteland, but instead they are seeing people work together and set up support systems, which is antithetical to conservative beliefs.

@Masse_mysteria
It does say that, but it also seems like TERFs are somewhat reductive of what the concept is. They also are notorious for fatphobia like you mentioned, which could be another reason they oppose it. And that’s before getting into the fact that being body-positive should mean accepting women who deviate from their norm, which they don’t want to do. It would mean that they’d have to stop shaming any woman who displays features that they think make her trans*, even if she is cis.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
1 year ago

@Naglfar

The problem with TERFs is not the RF part, but the TE part. While I have no doubt there is TE in the comments, I didn’t read them (mostly because I’m not interested in encountering that). There’s nothing TE in the post itself.

Consider two statements: “Every woman is beautiful, and you’re beautiful just the way you are. You don’t have to change to be beautiful.” And, “You’re not required to be beautiful. It’s okay to not be beautiful. You don’t have to change to be a worthy human being.”

Both of these statements are positive, but the first one is positive within the framework of lookism, accepting that the male gaze is the focal point around which women should orient themselves. It says that the male gaze is equal opportunity and all women are subject to it, that conventional attractiveness is not the only attractiveness, and that attractiveness is still important.

It’s also kind of silly, because women who aren’t conventionally attractive fucking know it, and saying “You’re beautiful, too!” doesn’t pierce their knowledge about their own reality.

The second statement is positive by rejecting lookism, by saying that lookism is bad and you don’t need to conform to the male gaze in order to be a valuable person. It doesn’t matter that men don’t find you attractive; you don’t have to orient yourself around pleasing their penises.

One of these statements is radical, but neither are trans-exclusionary, so I don’t see an issue with the second one.

C.A. Collins
C.A. Collins
1 year ago

When I still did armored combat I had DD tits. I wore a very tight sports bra to minimize their movement.
Big breasts get in the way, and it hurts to get hit there. I’d expect women fighting zombies to wrap up as well as possible, cis or trans.

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