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“If you aren’t celibate, you’re a simp” declares celibate Redditor

Every man’s got one, apparently

By David Futrelle

“Simp” is the new “cuck,” a catchall term that internet losers on the right and in the manosphere like to apply to any man who’s insufficiently misogynistic in their jaundiced eyes.

Just as the definition of “cuck” moved far beyond its literal meaning of a man whose partner is cheating on him to include any man who has sex with a woman who’s ever slept with anyone else ever, so simp is moving beyond its definition as a man who behaves in an obsequious manner towards women he hopes to bed to encompass all men who treat women with anything other than deep disrespect.

To one commenter in the MGTOW2 subreddit — a supposedly misogyny-free alternative to the much larger MGTOW subreddit — the word “simp” now means anyone who’s had sex with a woman, presumably because the shrieking misogyny of non-simps like him would tend to get in the way of consensual sex with women.

11422168233 -9 points 26 days ago 
99.99 % males are simps/whiteknights (same thing) scums (That’s a FACT), And it wouldn’t be a exaggeration to say all males are simps scum, Real Alpha Males are Rare, If you are not celibate, You’re a simp simple as that, Just accept it, No amount of whining will make you “not simp scum”, If you REALLY wanna change that, Then improve on yourself, Your interaction with the opposite sex should be zero to rarely, Only when when you must have to and for only important reasons, Otherwise you’ll sucked deeper and deeper into the “females are wonderful effect” and then you’re fucked for life.

Self Declaration: Even though I was never a subscriber of r/MGTOW, Just call it celibacy simple as that.

Anyway, Ban me, Don’t ban me it makes no difference to me, I don’t care, I said what I had to say.

This post proved unpopular enough to win it nine downvotes from the denizens of MGTOW2. How sad and angry does a man have to be to alienate a bunch of MGTOWs with your excessive misogyny? I guess exactly this sad and angry.

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Naglfar
Naglfar
5 months ago

a supposedly misogyny-free alternative to the much larger MGTOW subreddit

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This reminds me a bit of r/IncelsWithoutHate. It’s impossible to have a hate-free version of an ideology centered around hate, like how you don’t see Nazis against antisemitism.

I’m a little surprised MGTOWs downvoted him, maybe he’d find more agreement from incels?

otrame
otrame
5 months ago

They down voted him because, in their eyes, they aren’t incels. They have just decided that sex isn’t worth what it costs them. They could have all the sex they wanted if women were, you know, not evil. But since women are evil, then they are going to go their own way. Not like incels at all!!!!

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
5 months ago

They sure are good at hating each other. Beware the women for if you spend enough time around them you might like some of them.

varalys the dark
5 months ago

I just can’t take the word “simp” seriously because of it’s use in the Judge Dredd comic. Simps were a sub culture of Mega City One who rebelled against the mores of the place by dressing as colourful clowns.

Naglfar
Naglfar
5 months ago

@Ooglyboggles

Beware the women for if you spend enough time around them you might like some of them.

I feel sorry for the women who are having to spend time with MGTOWs. I can’t imagine any of the fondness would be reciprocated.

Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
Kat, ambassador of the feminist government in exile
5 months ago

This post proved unpopular enough to win it nine downvotes from the denizens of MGTOW2.

Of course. They’re MGTOWs — guys who eschew contact with women because women are demons — but they’re not about to give up sex (or at least the hope of sex) with women. Contradiction? They don’t worry about that. They’re MGTOWs.

Ooglyboggles
Ooglyboggles
5 months ago

@Naglfar
Could end up with those stuck to hear about their endless rants on a bad day and then hearing “one of the exceptions.”

occasional reader
occasional reader
5 months ago

Ooh, so that is why there is Bart Simpson ? I suppose every boy is a Simpson, then, according to this guy.

Moggie
Moggie
5 months ago

I’ve been seeing this word a lot in youtube comments. Anyone who expresses even mild, non-thirsty appreciation for a female youtuber’s work is a simp, apparently. Seems to be a lot of guys out there who want to make any polite interaction between men and women impossible. They’ll fail, just like they failed with “cuck”.

Naglfar
Naglfar
5 months ago

@Moggie
Honestly, I think “simp” is even less effective as an insult. “Cuck” actually had a somewhat well-known meaning, for “simp” most people don’t realize the meaning immediately and those who do will probably laugh it off much like “cuck.” I wonder when the alt right will realize that nobody actually finds these little insults insulting?

Aachen on the Plains
Aachen on the Plains
5 months ago

Wasn’t/isn’t “simp” in use already as a contraction (more-or-less) of simpleton? I remember it as such, at least, in a literary sense.

I’ve been seeing rising use of the term elsewhere—was wondering if others were, too.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 months ago

I’m having a hard time finding fault with the results that this reasoning would have. Sure, the reasoning is misogynist, but the result would be another misogynist man avoiding women. That’s almost pure win; the only down side I see would be if said misogynist man were in a position to mentor and uplift women in, say, the workplace and refuses to do it because: misogyny. Does that balance out the reduction in sexual harassment that would result if misogynist men truly went their own way? I don’t think so, because a misogynist man who doesn’t avoid women wasn’t going to do those things anyway. So if misogynist men choose to avoid women, we fail to get things that we were going to fail to get anyway, and we cut down on some badness in the process.

Yes, the ideal would be no misogyny at all, but I live in the world we have, not the world I want.

Masse_Mysteria
Masse_Mysteria
5 months ago

Funny how with these guys, the only one way of being a real, true Alpha Male is doing exactly what they themselves are doing. I’m sure that’s just a lucky coincidence. No one’s hiding any insecurities under all of that, nosiree.

Naglfar
Naglfar
5 months ago

@Aachen

Wasn’t/isn’t “simp” in use already as a contraction (more-or-less) of simpleton? I remember it as such, at least, in a literary sense.

Yes, I believe that’s the original meaning, though it seems that now it’s just another generic alt-right insult that has superseded “cuck.”

I’ve been seeing rising use of the term elsewhere—was wondering if others were, too.

Yes, I have noticed more of it, both in the people we mock here and elsewhere.

@Policy of Madness
The issue we run into time and time again is that MGTOWs never seem to actually go their own way. Instead they just spend all their time complaining about the women they’re supposedly going their own way from and being assholes to women IRL (and also being assholes to anyone who doesn’t agree with them, woman or not).

@Masse_mysteria
Yes, funny coincidence that. I bet they just won the birth lottery to be Tr00-born Alpha Males and everyone else needs to respect that. /s

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 months ago

@Naglfar

The issue we run into time and time again is that MGTOWs never seem to actually go their own way.

Oh, I know. But if one of them is trying to convince the others to do that, who am I to stop him? Why would I want to? I don’t even necessarily want to make fun of this fool. I encourage him to pull as many others into his orbit as he can.

epitome of incomprehensibility

Simp = simpering, simpleton, sympathetic…?

I guess sympathy would be against MGTOW values too. Real alpha men don’t have feelings. Or, if they do have feelings, they’re not the weak, feminine feelings that women have. Self-pity and whining? Nah! A moving, powerful evocation of the plight of men in a gynocentric society through the eyes of a lone MGTOW? Well, that’s different!! /s

@Moggie – re “thirsty” – I’m just afraid that, when I’m older, I’ll innocently say “I’m thirsty,” making all young people within hearing range snicker because by then its mainstream meaning will be “horny” 😛

@PoM – welcome back!! I haven’t seen you in a while – then again, I’ve also been busy a lot.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 months ago

@epitome

Thank you! You haven’t missed anything – I haven’t been around for a while. Some things happened and I decided I needed to take a big step back from the internet in general.

I’m pretty sure “simp” is short for “simpering” but what do I know.

Naglfar
Naglfar
5 months ago

@epitome of incomprehensibility

Real alpha men don’t have feelings. Or, if they do have feelings, they’re not the weak, feminine feelings that women have.

They only have feelings like RAGE and LUST and AGGRESSION!

All joking aside, I think some men genuinely do think that anger and related feelings are the only acceptable emotions to show. This may in some way relate to the retort “facts don’t care about your feelings,” as they have convinced themselves that other feelings are evil and to be suppressed. There is also a perfect correlation between people who unironically say that “facts don’t care about your feelings” and who prefer to listen to their own feelings over science and facts.

Jenora Feuer
Jenora Feuer
5 months ago

@Naglfar:

There is also a perfect correlation between people who unironically say that “facts don’t care about your feelings” and who prefer to listen to their own feelings over science and facts.

And, because they are convinced that their opinions are actually facts rather than feelings, they will completely fail to see the hypocrisy.

francis
francis
5 months ago

Don’t forget hungry
they can feel hungry to.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 months ago

@ epitome of incomprehensibility

making all young people within hearing range snicker because by then its mainstream meaning will be “horny”

That’s why whenever I say it I immediately have a beer; just to ensure there are no misunderstandings.

Naglfar
Naglfar
5 months ago

@francis

they can feel hungry to.

True, but True Alpha Males can only eat raw red meat anyway.

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 months ago

@Naglfar

All joking aside, I think some men genuinely do think that anger and related feelings are the only acceptable emotions to show.

That is absolutely true, and the reason it’s true is that men are taught from very young that they must not be like women. Women are stereotyped as “weak” with “weak” emotions – emotions that show vulnerability. Vulnerability = femininity to a certain line of thought that you will see even today in many men, men who don’t even have to necessarily be openly misogynist. Men are stereotyped as “strong” and “protective” but there’s nothing to protect if a woman isn’t vulnerable and weak, so they equate vulnerability to femininity.

And if a man absolutely must not be like a woman, and women are vulnerable, then men absolutely cannot be vulnerable. The only emotions they are allowed to express are “strong” ones like anger. They aren’t allowed to be afraid, or sad, or open about their feelings, because that unmans them. It makes them feminine, and that’s not permitted. There’s a bunch of homophobia wrapped up in this, too, obviously, but the root of a lot of homophobia (not all of it, but a lot) is misogyny and the belief that women are inferior, therefore: man must not be like woman.

TacticalProgressive
TacticalProgressive
5 months ago

@Naglfar

Honestly, I think “simp” is even less effective as an insult. “Cuck” actually had a somewhat well-known meaning, for “simp” most people don’t realize the meaning immediately and those who do will probably laugh it off much like “cuck.” I wonder when the alt right will realize that nobody actually finds these little insults insulting?

I think maybe that is part of the whole point. Such rhetoric, wither it be motivated and in service to racism, sexism, Incel’s, MGTOW’s or any other flavor of the Alt-right: is made, used and intended to be this obscure, esoteric, difficult to decipher and impenetrably opaque phrase, word or terminology to serve as an alt-right ‘virtue signaling’ in-joke for bigots and hat mongers.

It’s a tool they use to pejoratively insult, ridicule, make slur against and dismiss anyone who doesn’t share their notions and values or who denounces them and in order to appeal to and make nods to their fellow hate mongers and ilk.

The lexicon of alt-right aligned types and those other various right wing bigots, racists, sexists, homophobes and other hate mongers reminds my of a quote by J.R.R. Tolkien when he spoke of “Orc’s and Trolls”, which as follows:

“But Orcs and Trolls spoke as they would, without love of words or things; and their language was actually more degraded and filthy than I have shown it. I do not suppose that any will wish for a closer rendering, though models are easy to find. Much the same sort of talk can still be heard among the orc-minded; dreary and repetitive with hatred and contempt, too long removed from good to retain even verbal vigor, save in the ears of those to whom only the squalid sounds strong.”

I think perhaps on a philosophical level; people like the modern alt-right and the bigots of Tolken’s time were likely what he meant he wrote of and first conceptualized Fantasy Orc’s and Trolls: as allegory for those who are consumed and embrace hatred, malice and lust for conquest with blood soaked swords. Although granted, perhaps that initial crucible of conception has become lost and contorted into Racially unfortunate implications overtime due to misuse and overuse without critical understanding for Tolken’s initial use and trope codification of Orc’s and Trolls.

My understanding of this possible, and in my impression, likely thesis; is that Tolekn’s Lord of the Rings literature was greatly influnced and shaped by his service in WW1, and his service during the Battle of the Somme in particular.

Moggie
Moggie
5 months ago

@PoM, and that attitude can get people killed, in more ways than one. Right now, taking sensible precautions during a pandemic is seen as showing vulnerability. Real men don’t “cower” at home, or keep a safe distance from others, or wear a mask. Real men don’t fear no virus, because they’ve got an AR-15.

Covered in cat hair
Covered in cat hair
5 months ago

Stray thought. With all the passion and fuss MGTOWs put into just being MGTOWs, why do none of them seem to ever consider getting themselves gelded? It would make their lives so much more mellow and less focused on the evil women that they are avoiding.

That way they could stop spending so much time on the web and learn to play chess, or bake seagulls or whatever new focus they could choose.

I am sure in the US there much be at least ONE surgeon who would provide the service.

Naglfar
Naglfar
5 months ago

@Covered in cat hair
Thing is, they would see that as a threat to masculinity and would never allow it. They’d run screaming the other way.

There are surgeons in the US who will do orchiectomies (some trans* women and non-binary people get them), but I don’t think that MGTOWs would ever get near them.

I do know that some MGTOWs have bragged about getting vasectomies, but I don’t think that would reduce testosterone and seems to be more about “owning the womenz” than anything else.

Buttercup Q. Skullpants
Buttercup Q. Skullpants
5 months ago

I hear Don McLean singing “Sour, sour grapes….”

@POM Welcome back!!!

Policy of Madness
Policy of Madness
5 months ago

@Buttercup

Thank you! I missed all y’all.

weirwoodtreehugger: chief manatee

Hi, POM!

Hope you’re well. Or as well as one can be in a plague, anyway.

Alan Robertshaw
Alan Robertshaw
5 months ago

@ POM

Hi! Glad to see you’re still with us!

Shadowplay
5 months ago

Yay!!!! PoM’s back!

*ahem

I mean, good to see you again.

Masse_Mysteria
Masse_Mysteria
5 months ago

TW: bad take on anorexia

Don’t forget hungry
they can feel hungry to.

Years ago, I saw an Internet post where one of those ultra-masculine types berated anorexic women, saying it was a sign of them not even being able to be skinny the right way. Men are never anorexic, but there is a thing called “manorexia”, which just means staying to finish a job even if you run out of food supplies, even if you have several days’ worth of work to finish.

So, while I’m sure he realised men get hungry, it apparently wasn’t anything you should ever whine about.

I’m just still baffled that the sort of bad planning that results in having to decide whether you leave a job unfinished or finish it without having any food is somehow more acceptable for a man than saying, “I actually need to eat to survive, if you don’t mind.”