By David Futrelle
So the incels are hailing Spongebob Squarepants as a bluepilled version of themselves. Over on Incels.co, one commenter has this to say about the underwater icon:
I suppose this is a step in the right direction; Spongebob may not be the idea role model but he’s certainly better than the mass killers the incels generally lionize.
Of course, the incels responding to Gymletethnicel’s post eagerly await Spongebob’s ultimate “blackpilling,” his acceptance of the incel ideology of bitterness, despair, and death. And of course they imagine him going “ER” — Elliot Rodger — and shooting up the Krusty Krab fast food joint.
“Final episode of SpongeBob: he either ropes or goes ER,” writes one commenter.
“First he kills Sandy, then goes postal at the Krusty Krab and then shoots himself,” adds another.
Still others speculate about the other characters on the show. According to Slavcel11,
patrick would be a blackpilled uglycel who don’t want his youth be wasted away on wageslaving and crawling before a haughty uncultured foid that is sandy.
btw squidward is too blackpilled on the society even for an incel.
But a prolific Incels.co commenter called Sparrow’s Song has a somewhat different take on the show.
The show is actually Jewish propaganda designed to convince incels to go gay. Obviously, Patrick and Spongebob are both ugly and disabled mentally and physically… they will die alone if they pursue foids. If they were blackpilled, they would just go ER or rope. Too bad the show is cucked. The show depicts them as “best friends” because back then, they couldn’t just have gay poop dick sex relationships on children’s shows like they do now. The writers want ugly and autistic male children to engage in homosexual buttfuckery at a young age.
That’s why I watched Rocko’s Modern Life instead when I was a kid. My dad liked that show but hated Spongebob. He didn’t let me watch Spongebob. In his own words “you’re not watching Spongebob because Sponegbob is a faggot”.
Well, that’s enough Incels.co for one day.
H/T — Twitter’s @EyesOnTheRight, the dude behind the Angry White Men blog
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I also would like to point out that there were – and still are – a lot of wrong-headed ideas about autism floating around that make it hard to get a diagnosis or supports. Functioning labels are a good example: at best they’re so imprecise they’re unhelpful, at worst they’re used to deny support to “high-functioning” people and agency to “low-functioning” people.
Furthermore, because the foundational research on autism was carried out on white middle- and upper-class amabs, a lot of PoC, poor people, and afab people haven’t got the right diagnosis. Not gonna pretend asshole autistics don’t exist – we call them “aspie supremacists” because they look down on neurotypicals and autistics with a lot of support needs – but please don’t knock self-diagnosed people.
I feel like there’s some sort of broader point about hypersexualization to be made from the fact that these dudes are literally discussing the sexual activity of anthropomorphic sea creatures on a children’s tv show.
Re: North Korea
Right now I’m just waiting for more information to come in, just because this is a breaking story in an isolated country and I’m reflexively skeptical of any reporting on North Korea from corporate Western sources. If Kim Jong Un is really dead though, I doubt things will change much when his sister takes over. Despite being so embattled, the NK state and power structure is pretty well established from what I know. Of course, there’s always the very real possibility of me being totally off-base.
Now I’m actually very curious as to the position of women in North Korean society though.
@Mrs. Obed Marsh
My apologies. I really should have stated the correlation the other way around. I made it sound like the self-diagnosed tend to be assholes, rather than the assholes tending to be self-diagnosed. Those would be two different Venn diagrams.
(And as you noted, the assholes who do have a diagnosis exist, because autistic people are people and every group has assholes.)
And you’re absolutely right about accessibility to testing and diagnoses being an issue – hell, I’m white, middle-class and AMAB, and I still never got tested as a child. My testing and diagnosis were not until I was 32.
Which, and also related to my above screw-up, reflects part of the absurdity of the “there is a rising epidemic of autism” peddled by the hate groups. That the percentage of kids diagnosed as autistic has risen does not mean that the percentage of kids that are autistic has risen. A higher percentage of diagnoses means… a higher percentage of diagnoses.
In 1989, the percentage of ten-year-olds with autism diagnoses was significantly lower than in 2019, but that percentage did not include (for example) me – even though I was a ten-year-old with autism, because I had not been diagnosed, because I had not been tested or even had the possibility raised to my parents by the doctors that assessed my issues. And again, white middle-class AMAB kid who was being assessed by doctors for behavior issues.
Testing has become more widespread, accessibility has improved, criteria have changed to include people who would have gotten a negative diagnosis in the past by accounting for differences in socialization, what was once a separate diagnosis (Asperger) has been folded into the spectrum… that right there can account for a massive increase in the percentage of diagnoses even if the percentage of autistic kids has remained the same.
Death cult member writes comedy:
@Allandrel
A higher percentage of diagnoses also means more people getting support they need and possibly less stigma (although antivaxxers and other bigots are doing their best to keep the stigma alive).
Since autism appears to be genetic, the idea of an “epidemic” doesn’t really make much sense because the term is typically applied to pathogens rather than genes. Of course, it’s not like antivaxxers can be expected to know any accurate terminology.
My favorite response to antivaxxers is “vaccines don’t cause autism, autism causes vaccines.” Because autistic people are somewhat over represented in science and medicine, it seems logical that at least some autistic people are in vaccine research developing vaccines.
Re: North Korea
It seems that Kim Jong-Un’s train appeared on satellite images of a coastal resort. Make of that what you will, but that could be seen as an indicator he isn’t dead.
Re: autism and antivaxxers
I stumbled across this soon after my earlier post, and it’s a few months old, but apparently anti vaxxers trying to rebrand as “vaccine risk aware,” claiming that anti vaxxer is a derogatory term dismissive of women. I wonder when they’ll start calling themselves “vaccine critical” or “vaccine realist” (given that lots of white nationalist groups are anti vaxx and various TERF groups seem to be as well).
Re: Kim Jong-Un’s sister and the likelihood of her taking over if something happens to him
An expert on North Korea quoted in the Guardian had this to say:
@Naglfar: OK, I read the article you linked to, and I don’t get it. I just don’t see how this group can honestly believe that ‘anti-vaxxer’ is a derogatory term specifically dismissive of women.
I had an aunt (well, she would have been my aunt) die of the measles as an infant. Probably around 1945. I hate to say it, but maybe we need an outbreak of easily preventable disease in the US, in order to take vaccinations seriously. Too many Americans have had it way too good, for far too long.
I didn’t know this until a week or so ago, but chickenpox used to kill at least a hundred children in the US per year. I find it shocking that parents would deny their children a chickenpox vaccine. The best case scenario about chickenpox: It’s an unpleasant thing for a child to have to go thru.
Haven’t there been measles outbreaks already, though? Plus there’s the pandemic right now; not much of a consequential difference between choosing not to use a vaccine and not having a vaccine at all, other than you can’t change your mind. And that’s just talking about the wealthy countries, the U.S. in particular.
@ naglfar
Or that we’re about to get a juche remake of Weekend at Bernie’s.
@Dormousing_it
It may have something to do with the fact that it seems most high profile antivaxxers (and “autism warrior” parents, with which there is a huge overlap) are women, such as Jenny McCarthy, Suzanne Wright, Gwyneth Paltrow, etc. When people realize that a term that isn’t viewed positively is applicable to their actions or behavior, they will often try to evade it by claiming it’s derogatory or a slur (see also: TERF, Karen, racist).
I’m somewhat curious how the coronavirus has affected antivaxxers. I know some have been protesting the lockdowns and probably will refuse the vaccine, but maybe a few will wake up and return to reality.
I don’t know about all, but I think for some parents there is a mentality of “I didn’t have the vaccine, I lived through it and am just fine,” or the idea that “it builds character.” I’ve never had chickenpox, but I hear it’s unpleasant and like you said, people die or have complications. For example, although my grandmother didn’t die of chickenpox, she still has scars on her face 80 years later as a result of it.
The modern antivaxxer movement started with a paper that was roundly condemned in peer review and pulled from the journal, that was by a doctor who was stripped of his license after, that was read by parents with no understanding of vaccines or autism. I think that tells us everything we need to know about it.
There have been a few in the US (where it used to be eradicated), mostly in religious fundamentalist communities or among antivaxxers. Measles is especially nasty in that it effectively resets the immune system and removes immunity to other things that someone may have already had like chickenpox or similar.
I’m certain antivaxxer children have died as a result of their parent’s idiocy, but they don’t seem to care. Their whole movement is based around the idea that they would rather their children die of preventable disease than be autistic (nevermind that of course vaccines don’t cause autism anyway). I feel sorry for the children; they don’t deserve to die just because their parents have shit for brains.
If you want to see a particularly “out there” example of antivaxx, look at the #ArrestBillGates twitter hashtag. Apparently, Bill Gates will introduce a COVID-19 vaccine which will deliberately kill a large number of people (to reduce population) and will somehow contain a “chip” to allow everyone to be tracked. Also, he may have engineered the virus. One of the most popular petitions at petitions.whitehouse.gov calls for the government to investigate the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation over this. It’s passed the threshold to get a response from the White House, so I hope someone with a few brain cells can handle that without Trump’s input.
@Moggie
I’m pretty sure those petitions don’t actually do anything, last I checked one of the highest voted was one to “impeach Nancy Pelosi” (which is not even a thing that can be done legally).
Sea sponges can reproduce asexually.
@Naglfar, yeah. Government petition sites attract a lot of dross, and when they say “the government will respond if you get 100k signatures”, that doesn’t mean the response will be anything more than a polite form of “LOL no”.
@Moggie
Petition sites in general seem to be mainly a form of slacktivism: they never really get anything to happen, but people feel good that they signed it alongside thousands of other anonymous accounts.
@Alan: Please, dear God, no! The original Bernie’s was bad enough.
@An Impish Pepper:
There have been measles outbreaks.
I’m certain children have died because their parents refused to get them vaccinated. I’ve heard about young people finally getting vaccinated for measles, mumps, etc, as soon as they turned 18. The reason being – their parents were anti-vaxxers.
I don’t understand why people take Hollywood types like Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey seriously. I would imagine, these are the same people who voted for the Cheeto, not understanding that his ‘brilliant businessman’ persona was just a Hollywood creation.
Chickenpox sucks. I had a fairly intense case of them…I had those sores in my mouth, on my mucous membranes.
There are much more positive ways for children to build character.
Not forgetting chickenpox is statistically even more dangerous for adults than children. I internalized that on catching it in my early thirties, and realized ‘You know it’s bad news when the GP doesn’t want to come any closer.’
I was pretty horrified when I learned how dangerous chicken pox can be. I had it in the early 90’s. As far as I know, pretty much everyone did, and it was seen as a good thing since it’s worse for adults (like Kevin said). I have a vague memory of it being unpleasant, but that’s all. A girl in my class had small scars from it on her face, but that was the worst I ever heard of the disease as a child.
I would never use that as an excuse to not vaccinate, though. That would be like saying someone’s bone fracture wasn’t worth treating because I fell from the same tree and I’m fine.
Re: anti-vaxxer as a slur for women
I’ve heard somewhere that negative press for anti-vaxxers is more likely to be about the women whereas the men get more of a free pass, could this be about that? It wouldn’t make it true, but someone could use that to muddy the waters.
@Masse_Mysteria:
Maybe. “Let’s laugh at these hysterical women” never seems to go out of fashion. Even when there’s coverage of male anti-vaxxers, it will never be framed as “aren’t men irrational?”. Obligatory “how it works” xkcd:
I had measles when I was 8. It is literally the worst pain I have been through in my whole 45 years on this planet, and I’ve snapped a collarbone, have knackered spinal discs and been hospitalised with a pulmonary embolism. I still have nightmares about it sometimes.
The reason I wasn’t vaccinated was for two reasons, first this was pre-MMR. Secondly, my mum was a bit nervous and so the GP gave me a “tester”, which sent me into a near vegetative state for two days. Turns out a full dose from that batch would have put me into that state permanently, was a bit of a scandal about it back in Manchester circa 1975.
12 years later when my baby sister’s time came to have the MMR which had been proven safe time and again, mum had her vaccinated without a worry. Anti-vaxxers make me very angry. Measles is fucking serious business and to willingly expose your kid to that kind of danger now when a safe and effective vaccine exists… GRAGH.
Re: chickenpox
And people who had chickenpox can later develop shingles, which I am told is also unpleasant. Vaccination prevents this.
If that is the case it might be because in our society women are expected to care for children and make decisions about their health. A lot of major anti vaxxer groups on Facebook seem to internalize this as well and are geared towards women. Of course, that still does not actually make anti vaxxer a slur and does not excuse any parent who refuses to vaccinate.
Anyway, yesterday anti vaxxers got very excited because they appear to think that vaccines contain bleach and that medical experts telling people not to inject bleach is a tacit admission that vaccines are unsafe (it isn’t an admission, vaccines do not contain bleach). And all the anti-autistic bigots are excited because Trump told people to drink bleach, which they have been forcing autistic children to do for years and called it “Miracle Mineral Solution.”
That is everyone today.
@Moggie : I believe the reason for which humans are so attracted to the idea of lineage-bound ability or handicap is because it make the world vastly easier to grasp. If women are preprogrammed to be good at home chores and bad at math, and men are preprogrammed to be scientists and warrior, you have a lot less to worry about finding your way ! And it mean you can easily sort out people you encounter without having to probe them !
It’s also sort-of true, to an extent. A specific education will yield rather similar individual, but the trick is that peoples are shoehorned in thoses upbringing based on gender and ethnicity rather than becauses thoses genders and ethnicity are good at it. Correlation doesn’t mean causation strike again.
I believe the attraction of that model is also why fantasy races (and sci-fi extraterrestrial races) are so often tightly bound to absurdly specific roles. It’s not just that it’s easier to write, it’s also vastly more satisfying for the reader.
THat’s especially true for morality. If good and evil are a fixed, intrinsic trait that can be seen physically, then being a good man is suddenly following instruction, and everyone can do that. No more ambiguity and questions when men are good and orc are evil. You just have to cull the orc population to be a good man !
That also work by replacing “orc” by “wimin” or “jews”. Chillingly, a lot of people are doing that almost directly.